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The Pakistani hype machine over the years
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You forgot Kamran Ghulam
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How hyped up youngstaas over the years have actually been worth the time and effort discussing them and have managed some degree of a successful international career?
Some of the names over the past decade who have been on hype machine have been:
Anwar Ali = The new Waqar who would run through sides on a whim (atleast he is in the team now and has found sort of a niche eventhough not at the level we hoped for.)
Jamshed Ahmed = Was apparently the most complete fast bowling prospect ever. Wonder what happened.
Mohammad Irshad = Supposed to be a 150 kph+ bowler.
Mansoor Amjad = Talented Sialkot All rounder. No less authority than Woolmer had called him as among the most talented young all rounders he has ever seen.
Shahid Yousuf= Supposed to be the new MoYo
Ehsan Adil = Supposed to be the new Asif. Still very young but somehow I doubt he is going to be anywhere near world class
Babar Azam = Still on the hype machine.
Hammad Azam = Improved version of Razzaq lol. Absolutely limited player
Usman Qadir = Leg spin magician
The list is endless. All were touted to be world class lol)
Im sure there are more than these. Share your opinions on these and any others you have in mind.
In other words, too early to tell, no? I am not above it myself, I have to admit, but smugly mocking other peoples' hopefulness from the comfort of 20-20 hindsight can get a bit tiresome. At least wait for the hindsight.
In fairness also, one could point out that these are not the only player's fans have been excited about in recent years. There was this guy Amir, and Asif, and Yasir Shah, and Sarfraz who was handy for a while.
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hear, hear.
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Who is a proven failure at the ripe old age of 20?
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Shardeel Khan is back on the hype train 
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Shardeel Khan is back on the hype train
No hype , him being a powerful striker is a fact .
Techinical defieciencies are obvious but you have to work with what you have.
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People want him in t20 squad based on one performance.
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Add Rizwan to the hype train
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Well he was the best batsman against england lions in the t20 series if i recall correctly , that and his domestic record in addition to a 50 of 20 odd balls in the last t20I he played makes for a good enough case if you look at the competition.
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yeah he is knocking the door from quite a while Now but pakistani selectors are too busy to select a hack like iftikhar,rifitullah,and bilal asif just woah waoh to pakistani selectors
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Every player not in the team suddenly becomes best player to play cricket for Pakistan.
But can you blame fans ?
After all they all want best for the team like you and me.
But can you blame fans ?
After all they all want best for the team like you and me.
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Didn't really follow the recent one day cup. So any new inductions?
Also how did previous passengers of the hype train do? Some recent ones were Asghar, Nawaz, Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam
Been hearing abt Fakhat Zaman doing well but haven't seen him yet so won't give him the ticket for this train. Who knows he might be the real deal
Also how did previous passengers of the hype train do? Some recent ones were Asghar, Nawaz, Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam
Been hearing abt Fakhat Zaman doing well but haven't seen him yet so won't give him the ticket for this train. Who knows he might be the real deal
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So disappointing that we have to have a thread like this our players have let the fans down too much over the years.
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Amen. Fakhat Zaman - let's remember the name!
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Been a while since this was discussed.
New inductees since 2016?
At least Babar fulfilled the hype so far.
New inductees since 2016?
At least Babar fulfilled the hype so far.
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Dilbar and Akif are already International class as per some here.
Dilbar is almost 28 and has never played a FC/List A game. Has only played 12 T20s at 30+ @ 9.4
Akif has taken 1 wicket in the 3 FC + List A games that he has played.
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Rauf, Naseem, Dilbar, Akif , Shadab, Faheem, Saif Badar, Hasnain are all mediocre and overhyped talents.
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Can you explain how each one of them is mediocre?
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Hardly anyone has claimed that they are already international class.
The majority believe that they are raw but have great potential.
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Rauf - not completely fit, can't bowl long spells. Inconsistent line and length.
Naseem - similiar to Rauf, he tends to spray a lot, cannot exploit a batsman's weaknesses, can't setup up batsmen. Uses only skill but absolutely no brain in his bowling. He never bowls in a constrictive manner.
Dilbar - LOL. Sprays it short and wide all the time.
Akif - can't take wickets, just can restrict runs somewhat and even that's quesitonable.
Shadab - He darts it, he doesn't know how to put drift and turn into his deliveries and bowl like a classic Test spinner.
Faheem - very poor batting technoque, awful timer of the ball. Loves bowling full tosses.
Saif Badar - plays a few sexy strokes but that's it. He has no idea how to build an innings and bat for long periods of time. Poor defensive technique as well.
Hasnain - basically a worse Wahab Riaz who is right handed. Just bowls quick, absolutely no control, no swing, no variations.
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Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique are definitely onboard.
Naseem Shah? Most probably he was chucked off the hype train during the England series.
Naseem Shah? Most probably he was chucked off the hype train during the England series.
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Umar Akmal definitely has to be on this list. He was really hyped up but never maximized his potential.
Babar became what Umar was supposed to become.
Babar became what Umar was supposed to become.
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Akif is a really good talent did you watch the 2 overs he bowled to watson and shezard first the ball went away and then the next ball he ripped watson apart
Dilbar is okay bowler
Rauf is fit enough for odis and t20s he haant played test cricket so you cant really say if he is fit enougb or not.his line and length in this national cup has been really good.
Dilbar not to keen on him.
Akif is a very good bowler who will only get a better I seen one over when he faced watson and he ripped him 2 peices with 2 beauties.
Shadab is a very good limited overs player but needs to work on his game in the longer short bowling long spells.
Fahim good bowler poor batter.
Saif badar hasnt done much.
Husnain needs to work on his control has really good pace thou
Defo these too are very talented and different styles.as for naseem I will stil back him to come good just needs to get fitter and stronger
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I don't think Hasnain is overhyped at all. Hits the deck really hard . Naseem maybe slightly overhyped on here but he's talented no doubt.
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+ Every fast bowling prospect ever.
Players themselves are responsible 4 their failure......
Some players who could still make it big...
Saud Shakeel
Naseem shah...
Musa.....
Hasnain...
Who r rightly hyped...
Haider Ali..
Abdullah
Akif
Rohail
Abdul wahid
Khushdil...
But most importantly they need some domestic experience esp first class...
Some players who could still make it big...
Saud Shakeel
Naseem shah...
Musa.....
Hasnain...
Who r rightly hyped...
Haider Ali..
Abdullah
Akif
Rohail
Abdul wahid
Khushdil...
But most importantly they need some domestic experience esp first class...
Add Rizwan to the hype train
R u alive to eat HUMBLE PIE
For him every bowler is ordinary except Khaleel NATRAJAN Undakat Saini....et all...
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Akif is a good talent but needs another 2 years of First Class, and needs to work with Mohammad Zahid on sorting out that runup. Can easily get another yard of pace and become a lot more potent.
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Naseem, Rauf and Hasnain are all products of overhyping and desperation. None of them will have illustrious international careers.
The humiliation that Naseem faced in England after all the big talk and all the expectations from the fans said it all.
The overhyping brigade went from expecting him to blow England away to celebrating individual wickets when all he did was take 3 wickets in 3 Tests and got owned by an inexperienced Test batsman like Crawley.
Yeah it is all Waqar and Misbah and Azhar’s fault.
Expect Naseem to continue to fail with flying colors against the top sides. He talks a good game but unfortunately he does not have the ability and the skill to execute on the pitch.
The humiliation that Naseem faced in England after all the big talk and all the expectations from the fans said it all.
The overhyping brigade went from expecting him to blow England away to celebrating individual wickets when all he did was take 3 wickets in 3 Tests and got owned by an inexperienced Test batsman like Crawley.
Yeah it is all Waqar and Misbah and Azhar’s fault.
Expect Naseem to continue to fail with flying colors against the top sides. He talks a good game but unfortunately he does not have the ability and the skill to execute on the pitch.
Way to much hype about Abdullah Shafique, after only a handful of professional matches. Granted he has got a few 100s but way to early to consider him for the National team. An A tour will suffice , to test his ability , mental strength and to build his confidence.
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Just you wait until he sees fear in the batsman's eyes. Zimbabwe are touring soon I hear!
Most of the upcoming talent need first class experience for a season....and talking of A tours.....we will get the Kashif Bhattis.....Sohail Khans... Akbar ur Rehmans...... Over the deserving Zia ul Haqs Arshad Iqbal Abdullah Shafique Saud Shakeel......
Yes and Naseem wont be played most probably.......Saheen might get rest in few matches too
A lot of players were rightly hyped bowlers like Shaheen, Naseem, Husnain, Rauf, and Musa are showing good talent and have performed well in most matches they have played. In spinners we have Zafar G, Umar, Usman Qadir, Qasim etc. Most of these are young and developing.
As for batsmen there are many too if given opportunities such as Haider Ali, Abdullah, Said, Zeeshan and many more. Even all round players like Aamer Y, Talat H have will prove to be good investment if given opportunities. There is a lot of talented players in Pakistan who can become World class if harnessed, but the problem is we keep giving opportunities to undeserving players like Asif A, Fahim A, Nawaz, Iftikhar and Malik and such like.
As for batsmen there are many too if given opportunities such as Haider Ali, Abdullah, Said, Zeeshan and many more. Even all round players like Aamer Y, Talat H have will prove to be good investment if given opportunities. There is a lot of talented players in Pakistan who can become World class if harnessed, but the problem is we keep giving opportunities to undeserving players like Asif A, Fahim A, Nawaz, Iftikhar and Malik and such like.
A lack of world class cricketers has made Pakistani cricket followers almost desperate for young cricketers to be the real deal and succeed.
However most flop, because they weren't as good as everyone hoped they would be.
The sad reality is that we are producing very few world class players.
However most flop, because they weren't as good as everyone hoped they would be.
The sad reality is that we are producing very few world class players.
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More like mediocre players rightly kept outside wrongly earn a tag of 'talented', while players given an extended run are found out for the mediocre performers that they are.
We can't say Saud Shakeel Zeeshan Malik Khushdil Zafar are mediocre unless they are given extended....run....do remember Rohit Sharma too was given an over extended run and now Pant is given...sometimes player of a calibre of Kedar Jadhav r given a run. Favouritism ...has ruined cricket here, hope time will change under Wasim khan...national t20 has been really refreshing...hope youngsters like zeeshan Malik Danish Aziz... Khushdil will be given chances....but many bowlers like Akif Naseem Arshad need to play some first class game
And chahar
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Nothing wrong with little hype.
The nature of the high-performance world of international sports means that majority will be found out to be deficient. Doesn't mean we should stop the hype trains. Let them run! Its half the fun of watching domestic cricket.
The nature of the high-performance world of international sports means that majority will be found out to be deficient. Doesn't mean we should stop the hype trains. Let them run! Its half the fun of watching domestic cricket.
How do you know now they are mediocre when they have good performances in domestic, under 19 or 21 world cups, as well as Pak A teams. They are overlooked for players like Malik who has been ordinary most of his career. And recently we see likes of Asif A, Faheem A, Nawaz, Iftikhar, Imam given extended opportunities on basis of one or two reasonable performances, but likes of Talat H discarded despite doing well against SA, and likes of Zafar G, Saud S, Amaer Yamin ignored.
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No way Abdullah Shafique is 20?
The problem isn't that there is hype around a player when he performs but when it turns to obsession and the desire to blame everyone other than the player himself when they fail to live up to the hype. There's always an excuse when the player performs badly, whether it's the coaches fault for trying to fix an action or not picking them in their preferred batting slot. It's never the players fault for not putting any effort in to improve their skills because they have "talent" so can't be blamed.
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I can't even remember if my post was tongue in cheek and whether I was saying Rizwan was bad or if he was good, and I haven't kept up with Cricket in so long that I'm not even sure if you're saying Rizwan is good or bad. Please elaborate on how his career has panned out since then
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