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If Mohammad Hafeez makes a trip to Lake Kariba after this series, he would fancy his chances of returning with a decent stash, considering that every time he has gone fishing recently, he's caught something. The edge.

Twice in three innings against Zimbabwe and four times out of six in South Africa, Hafeez has been caught behind the stumps, chasing deliveries he should have left alone. Even on a placid pitch at Harare Sports Club, Hafeez's uncertainty outside the off stump was exposed by the moving ball.

This time it took 32 deliveries against an attack that took some time to find its line - understandably so, because one half of the opening pair, Brian Vitori, had not played a Test in 19 months - but it happened nonetheless. Vitori pitched the ball up and moved it away so that Hafeez had to play, and the outside edge carried to Hamilton Masakadza at first slip.

Vitori would have seen Hafeez's doubt against previous deliveries. He had shouldered arms tentatively when Vitori first found movement and was beaten when he tried to defend on the back foot. Against another delivery, Hafeez was surprised by the lack of bounce and withdrew his bat too late. There was an edge but it fell short of first slip.

That was just before lunch and it must have got Vitori thinking. During the break, someone may have reminded him how Hafeez had been dismissed in the first Test. He had been caught in his crease by Tendai Chatara and pushed forward, only to be caught at second slip in the first innings.

Vitori and Chatara are no Dale Steyn and Vernon Philander but it may have been brought to their attention how the South African bowlers got the better of Hafeez six months ago. In five out of six innings, he edged - once onto his stumps - and the rest to be caught by the keeper or slips. The exception was when he played down the wrong line to one that moved across him and was trapped lbw. Steyn was responsible for four of those dismissals, moving the ball away from Hafeez every time.

With Vitori's natural angle taking the ball away from Hafeez, he could use that to his advantage. And all that is before considering the dry spell Hafeez is experiencing in the longer format.

Hafeez has scored only one hundred and one fifty in his last three series and both of them were in batsmen-friendly conditions. His 196 was at the SSC and was followed by a 52 in Pallekele. On anything livelier, he has struggled.

Those who have watched him for years are not surprised and point to a distinct lack of improvement in his Test cricket. Hafeez's highest score outside the subcontinent is 95 against England at The Oval in 2006. Four of his five hundreds have come in his home country, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh. The exception was 119 against Zimbabwe two years ago in Bulawayo, on a surface that was as flat as the attack he was facing.

With no marked progression in ten years of playing Test cricket, questions over whether Hafeez should continue opening are valid, especially with a series against South Africa ahead. He averages only 17 against them, and though pitches in the UAE are likely to offer little to the quicks and opening is likely to be less challenging than it is in Africa, Steyn and co will not make life easy for Hafeez.

His value as a spinner aside, Pakistan may have to consider other options if they hope to present a strong resistance upfront against the world's top-ranked team. Taufeeq Umar would appear the leading contender because of his record against South Africa. In six matches he played against them, he scored two hundreds and four fifties and averaged 60.83. However, most of those runs were scored ten years ago and whether Taufeeq can summon similar resolve is the question.

Imran Farhat is another candidate, although his presence seems to be anything but palatable to many Pakistan fans. He also has decent numbers against South Africa, an average of 36.83 in six Tests with a century and two fifties. He played against them in the most recent series and appeared in control when he scored 30 and 43. Or they could revert to Nasir Jamshed, who opened in two Tests in South Africa and was dropped after not faring well.

Alternatively, Pakistan could gamble on a youngster in Ahmed Shehzad. Although he has not played Test cricket, his limited-overs form in Zimbabwe hinted at promise and ability. They would have to risk partnering a rookie with Khurram Manzoor, who impressed Dav Whatmore on his comeback but is still re-finding his feet in international cricket.

Manzoor took a step towards doing that today, by scoring the first half-century by a Pakistan opener in five Tests this year. His partner Hafeez, on the other hand, may want to get fishing out of his system before taking on South Africa.



Source: http://www.espncricinfo.com/zimbabwe-v-pakistan-2013/content/story/670601.html?CMP=OTC-RSS
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Good article!To put it short hafeez is the quintessential ftb,who cannot play swing to save his life!
 
Hafeez is not an FTB. FTB destroy teams on flat tracks. He a MTB ( motoway track bully) He needs those horror flat pitches of srilanka to put decent scores.
 
Please selectors, management & Misbah.... drop Hafeez from the tests.. For God's & team's sake! :/
 
Hafeez needs to stop with trying to be another Misbah, he needs to be aggressive. That was the reason for him getting some success around the england series and a couple of series before that last year. Even if he got that 30-40 runs opening, he brought somewhat of an advantage to the team. He can't stay at the wicket for very long with his defense. Even in T20, his more aggressive approach beings out the best of him.
 
for 5th bowling option...we must need a batting all rounder to replace Hafeez..

I will go for a specialist bowler...In Pakistan team when a batting collapse starts thn it doesn't matter how many batsmen there are...5 and 7 are same thn...
 
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Hafeez needs to stop with trying to be another Misbah, he needs to be aggressive. That was the reason for him getting some success around the england series and a couple of series before that last year. Even if he got that 30-40 runs opening, he brought somewhat of an advantage to the team. He can't stay at the wicket for very long with his defense. Even in T20, his more aggressive approach beings out the best of him.

What about when you need to bat for a draw? :D
 
I would replace Hafeez with Umar Akmal... much better bat than him, and for those saying you need a 5th bowler if you replace hafeez, bring a specialist bowler, hafeez hasn't done much with the ball anyways to warrant his place.
 
The professor's problem is that he has most likely bought his qualification from a website based in Nigeria.
 
How low as a cricketing nation have we fallen that a player like hafeez is indespensible no matter how poorly he performs
 
with who??do we have any all rounder?

yes, Ajmal ranks higher on ICC test allrounders i believe.


on a serious note, younis can chip in with few overs.

azhar ali can chip in with few overs, and provides alternate leg-spin option.

additionally, if we really really need 5 bowlers, then might as well play a proper bowler, go for all out attack with spin, bring in zulfiqar babar as well.

an alternate can be to drop 1 pacer if pitch condition is made to our liking, and just play 3 spinners + 1 pacer, rehman to share new ball, and then ajmal/rehman/zulfiqar take over. with junaid to bowl in short spells later.

as it is we dont have many good second pacer options, and we know spin worked against eng in uae, so same can be done against RSA.

if no other choice and must play hafeez for his bowling skills against lefties if RSA going with many lefties, then i would just play him for that role and some batting but he has to bat at number 6/7 and not open. let someone else open, anyone but him. there is no point to have him open anymore, he is a walking wicket. might as well send rehman or ajmal to open.
 
The professors real problem is that he isn't a real professor . He knows jack about batsmanship. If our players are calling him professor that that means they must be infant school pupils with special needs.
 
I know this is cynical, but with the team's best interests at heart, I would like Hafeez to fail in the second innings. The reason for this is that I believe Pak will still win. If Hafeez scores even 50 runs, I feel he will cement his place and there would be big long-term damage.

If I was a selector, I would select either Jamshed and Manzoor for SA, and if Jamshed is really struggling, I would ask Azhar to open and put Umer Akmal in the middle order. I hope the selectors see sense.
 
I know this is cynical, but with the team's best interests at heart, I would like Hafeez to fail in the second innings. The reason for this is that I believe Pak will still win. If Hafeez scores even 50 runs, I feel he will cement his place and there would be big long-term damage.

If I was a selector, I would select either Jamshed and Manzoor for SA, and if Jamshed is really struggling, I would ask Azhar to open and put Umer Akmal in the middle order. I hope the selectors see sense.

i'm kind of with you, but its a double edged sword.

knowing our selectors + captain + the part about him being a good bowling option against lefties if we will be playing on turning tracks, makes me double minded that whether its better for him to fail again or be dropped, or to get a hundered and somehow find form that will help him perform better against RSA (as he won't be dropped even if he fails, from what i can guess).
 
Pakistan should drop Hafeez from the tests and make him the captain of our ODI side to go with his captaincy in T20's. I think this will bring the best out of him in the LOI and by not playing tests he can focus on his game and prepare for the T20 WC next year and Aus WC the year after, he needs to realise he is not a test match player.
 
At the very least bat him at 7.

In LOI's yes but he is not worthy of a place in the test side. He hardly bowls in the tests so we can not consider him a test all rounder. Besides we already have a set pair of Ajmal/Rehman so why play him just for the sake of it. We could probably bat better than him
 
i'm kind of with you, but its a double edged sword.

knowing our selectors + captain + the part about him being a good bowling option against lefties if we will be playing on turning tracks, makes me double minded that whether its better for him to fail again or be dropped, or to get a hundered and somehow find form that will help him perform better against RSA (as he won't be dropped even if he fails, from what i can guess).

The problem is Hafeez "finding form" means nothing. He hit a marvellous hundred in the odis and played a blinder in the Windies premier league and yet when he has faced the moving ball in this series, he's shown he's no better than Farhat or even Yasir Hameed. The fact is that the ball has not moved much at all and the bowlers are pathetic, yet even that's enough to undo Hafeez. Steyn and co will be far better even on the roads of the UAE. It's better for us if he fails now and saves us the torture of the SA series.

I do understand your point though, that our selectors are so unpredictable that even a failure now may not be enough to get rid of him. And let's not forget, the selectors chose one of the worst bench strength players ever for this tour (Faisal, Farhat and some nephew of government minister). Who knows who they would replace Hafeez with.
 
In LOI's yes but he is not worthy of a place in the test side. He hardly bowls in the tests so we can not consider him a test all rounder. Besides we already have a set pair of Ajmal/Rehman so why play him just for the sake of it. We could probably bat better than him

I agree but if they insist on playing him the least they could do for us fans is end this torture.
 
I agree but if they insist on playing him the least they could do for us fans is end this torture.

So batting him at No.7 will end the "torture" The ones that insist on playing mediocre players who are a burden on the team should be ashamed of themselves, they don't deserve to be a part of PCB setup
 
So batting him at No.7 will end the "torture" The ones that insist on playing mediocre players who are a burden on the team should be ashamed of themselves, they don't deserve to be a part of PCB setup

I totally agree.

I mean which expert looked at Hafeez and thought "there's an international batsman"?

But I've been expecting him to be dropped or at least demoted since he made his debut. I know that when that day comes, the powers that be will make sure another hack is established in the team.

You drop Malik, you get Farhat. You drop Farhat you get Hafeez. You drop Hafeez you get Faisal and so on.

I don't mind Pakistan losing, as long as they give it their all but how can they when they don't play eleven deserving players?
 
Big problem id say. .....
 

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Interesting observation. ... vs top 7 nations.

Farhat has opened the innings more times than Saeed Anwar for Pakistan.

In fact. . Mudassar Nazar is the only batter who had opened more times than him.

Wow. What a pathetic average.
 

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Taufeeq Umar should be opening along with Azhar Ali.

Bring in Fawad Alam. He can give you a few overs as well. Misbah doesn't even use Hafeez as a bowler in Tests. He serves no purpose.
 
Him and Yasir Hameed are no different. Even though Hameed has got better stats then Hafeez, but he also had this edging the ball problem.

Another thing i would like to add is that, Hafeez most of the times misjudges the balls seaming position aswell.
 
W63L35, we are talking about 1 player, why are you bringing partnerships into this??

hypothetically if we had a clone of Hafeez, then against top 7 nations Hafeez/Hafeez opening partnership would probably average < 10, one of them would get out within few overs likely, and going by stats, they would probably rank just above alimuddin/alimuddin.

also, if you are interested in partnership only and not overall score/contribution from individial batsman, then please post that also against top 7 nations, maybe Taufeeq/Hafeez had some big opening stands on batting track (not sure, just guesssing) and thats inflating their partnership avg.

lastly, those are from roughly 1 year ago or earlier. Hafeez/Taufeeq haven't partnered for a while and in the last 1 year Hafee'z form has been much much worse than what he may have produced with Taufeeq in some of those partnerships.

oh and if partnership was a way to judge a player, then according to your table, Hanif Mohammed is worse than Hafeez!! both his partnerships in that table have less avg than that Hafeez partnership!!
Not just that, you can then go on to say that Imran Farhat is better than Hanif Mohammed cause his partnership with Taufeeq Umar averages 50 and we'll ignore the Salman Butt stats cause he is banned and who knows when he got out legitimately or not!!!
 
^ they never batted in england australia or south africa. Most of the times they opened on the lifeless tracks of uae or srilanka or in bangladesh. Taufeeq anyway is better, hafeez has nothing to show.
 
I will go for a specialist bowler...In Pakistan team when a batting collapse starts thn it doesn't matter how many batsmen there are...5 and 7 are same thn...

You just cannot go with 5 bowlers... Our bowlers already are worst batsmen in the world, why we want to add another one?

Currently we need Umar Akmal and probably Haris Sohail/Umer Amin in the test side. We need to strengthen our batting...

Our current batsmen play very slow (Misbah, Azhar)... These two play at 40 SR even if a club bowler is bowling to them on the flattest of the wicket... Generally people play their shots and increase the run rate once they are set or conditions ease up a little bit, but not with Misbah and co

In those circumstances you need Umar in between Younis and Misbah to speed up the run rate... Also, I think Umar can learn a lot from YK... Misbah is not a good coach for young kids... He has already damage a lot with pre-mediated tuk tuk for all strategy, we don't want this to carry on for ever!!!

In order to win test matches it is important to apply score board pressure on opposition... When was the last time we have done that??

The only accomplishment of Misbah was 3-0 win from England. In that series England was bundled less than 200 4 times and cross 300 only once. Even than we were limping to win one of the test...Thanks to our spinners for that... This kind of stuff is not going to happen in every test series, even minnows have figured that out... Misbah can only win if opposition's batting completely collapses?? - good luck with that
 
You just cannot go with 5 bowlers... Our bowlers already are worst batsmen in the world, why we want to add another one?

It was just a reaction to our famous batting collapses...Umar Akmal and Jamshed are my first choice in Tests but i don't see them playing anytime soon...
 
W63L35, we are talking about 1 player, why are you bringing partnerships into this??

We were whining since Saeed/Sohail that we do not have get stable partnerships for opening wickets. All I am saying that this pair provided needed stability. PCB made a huge mistake by dropping Taufeeq....IMO.



hypothetically if we had a clone of Hafeez, then against top 7 nations Hafeez/Hafeez opening partnership would probably average < 10, one of them would get out within few overs likely, and going by stats, they would probably rank just above alimuddin/alimuddin.
Just because he failed in last 10 innings?


also, if you are interested in partnership only and not overall score/contribution from individial batsman, then please post that also against top 7 nations, maybe Taufeeq/Hafeez had some big opening stands on batting track (not sure, just guesssing) and thats inflating their partnership avg.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;template=results;type=batting;view=fow_list


lastly, those are from roughly 1 year ago or earlier. Hafeez/Taufeeq haven't partnered for a while and in the last 1 year Hafee'z form has been much much worse than what he may have produced with Taufeeq in some of those partnerships.
Becuase then Taufeqq was dropped for no apparent reasons.

Last 12 partnerships b/w Hafeez/Taufeeq:
Code:
Taufeeq Umar	1	35	-	1/35	1		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	8 Jul 2012	Test # 2048
Taufeeq Umar	1	16	-	1/16	3		v Sri Lanka	Pallekele	8 Jul 2012	Test # 2048
Taufeeq Umar	1	78	-	1/78	1		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	30 Jun 2012	Test # 2047
Taufeeq Umar	1	51	-	1/51	3		v Sri Lanka	Colombo (SSC)	30 Jun 2012	Test # 2047
Taufeeq Umar	1	17	-	1/17	2		v Sri Lanka	Galle	22 Jun 2012	Test # 2046
Taufeeq Umar	1	8	-	1/8	4		v Sri Lanka	Galle	22 Jun 2012	Test # 2046
Taufeeq Umar	1	1	-	1/1	1		v England	Dubai (DSC)	3 Feb 2012	Test # 2034
Taufeeq Umar	1	16	-	1/16	3		v England	Dubai (DSC)	3 Feb 2012	Test # 2034
Taufeeq Umar	1	51	-	1/51	1		v England	Abu Dhabi	25 Jan 2012	Test # 2032
Taufeeq Umar	1	29	-	1/29	3		v England	Abu Dhabi	25 Jan 2012	Test # 2032
Taufeeq Umar	1	114	-	1/114	2		v England	Dubai (DSC)	17 Jan 2012	Test # 203

oh and if partnership was a way to judge a player, then according to your table, Hanif Mohammed is worse than Hafeez!! both his partnerships in that table have less avg than that Hafeez partnership!!


Not just that, you can then go on to say that Imran Farhat is better than Hanif Mohammed cause his partnership with Taufeeq Umar averages 50 and we'll ignore the Salman Butt stats cause he is banned and who knows when he got out legitimately or not!!!

.... how conveniently you ignored this chart! :)
 

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Tbh he looked good today till he played that silly shot on the onside.

If he kept his game simple he would probably have done much better.

He definitely needs up be dropped for the next Test series which should end his Test career.
 
for 5th bowling option...we must need a batting all rounder to replace Hafeez..

no we dont, when was the last time hafeez bowled anything of note in tests? on odis i agree, although think he should def be in the odi side, but in tests we need batsmen.

fuad alam and uakmal should be automatic choices along with misbah and younis - everyone else can fit around them.
 
I think his biggest problem is mental. I think he over thinks his game and needs to calm down and let the game come to him. He's not called "The Professor" for no reason. I think if we had a sports psychologist as part of the coaching staff, he/she could do wonders for a handful of our players. Most top athletic sides in the world employ such members onto their coaching staffs. Its time we professionalized our coaching staff too.
 
I think his biggest problem is mental. I think he over thinks his game and needs to calm down and let the game come to him. He's not called "The Professor" for no reason.
Excellent point!!! I think, that is the case.

I think if we had a sports psychologist as part of the coaching staff, he/she could do wonders for a handful of our players. Most top athletic sides in the world employ such members onto their coaching staffs. Its time we professionalized our coaching staff too.
Well... the only problem is that PCB may not be able to afford good sports psychologist ...and the one they could afford, may cause more damage!
 
The honorable Professor needs to go back to the lab to analyze his 10 year worth of 'experiments' with the cricket bat and understand the physics and maths behind his failures in the field. It would perhaps require a full in depth thesis to analyse all the scientific data from failed experiments to 'get the formulas corrected and only then should the honorable Professor be permitted to conduct further experimentation...howzat?

At least one theory proven is the ball does not travel forwards if it meets the edge of the bat, it goes behind. Professor has repeated this experiment numerous times to convince us all
 
^Dude, you're like the best poster EVER! :91:
 
I am assuming the mods have deleted a post between mine and Varun's :-;
 
Some day the Professor will publish the results of his experiments and the title of this thesis should be 'How NOT to bat', after all he is a world renowned scholar when it comes to the science (or is it an art?) of how not to bat, having a decade worth practical experience in the field
 
The honorable Professor needs to go back to the lab to analyze his 10 year worth of 'experiments' with the cricket bat and understand the physics and maths behind his failures in the field. It would perhaps require a full in depth thesis to analyse all the scientific data from failed experiments to 'get the formulas corrected and only then should the honorable Professor be permitted to conduct further experimentation...howzat?

At least one theory proven is the ball does not travel forwards if it meets the edge of the bat, it goes behind. Professor has repeated this experiment numerous times to convince us all

:)))
 
At least one theory proven is the ball does not travel forwards if it meets the edge of the bat, it goes behind. Professor has repeated this experiment numerous times to convince us all

:)))
 
The honorable Professor needs to go back to the lab to analyze his 10 year worth of 'experiments' with the cricket bat and understand the physics and maths behind his failures in the field. It would perhaps require a full in depth thesis to analyse all the scientific data from failed experiments to 'get the formulas corrected and only then should the honorable Professor be permitted to conduct further experimentation...howzat?

At least one theory proven is the ball does not travel forwards if it meets the edge of the bat, it goes behind. Professor has repeated this experiment numerous times to convince us all

POTW surely :)
 
The honorable Professor needs to go back to the lab to analyze his 10 year worth of 'experiments' with the cricket bat and understand the physics and maths behind his failures in the field. It would perhaps require a full in depth thesis to analyse all the scientific data from failed experiments to 'get the formulas corrected and only then should the honorable Professor be permitted to conduct further experimentation...howzat?

At least one theory proven is the ball does not travel forwards if it meets the edge of the bat, it goes behind. Professor has repeated this experiment numerous times to convince us all

:))) The professor at work :hafeez
 
Some day the Professor will publish the results of his experiments and the title of this thesis should be 'How NOT to bat', after all he is a world renowned scholar when it comes to the science (or is it an art?) of how not to bat, having a decade worth practical experience in the field

Brilliant!
 
Just been on the phone speaking to the Professor to get an update on his latest research following the Zimbabwe tour, here's a transcript :

MK: Good morning Professor saab, how are you?

Professor H: Hello MK, you will have to be quick as I am very busy at the moment.. getting asked for interviews from many academic journals , following our breakthrough discoveries on the Zimbabwe tour.

MK: No problem Sir, just wanted to get an update from you on your latest research?

Professor H: We have just had a successful visit of Zimbabwe, spent some time with Professor Mazakadsa at Harare Institute of Failed Batsmen to exchange notes, as he is also conducting similar research. I am going to very soon make public the findings as we have a breakthrough in our research, experiments have now successfully proven that the direction of the ball travelling from the bat is clearly dependent on how much surface area of the bat it makes direct contact with.

As you will note from my four experiments in Zimbabwe, when the ball comes into contact with the edge of the bat, it travels backwards. This had been a hypothesis already held by many cricket commentators and some academics, but until now it had not been conclusively proven as we have done on this tour.

MK: Okay, but will they keep allowing you to carry out these experiments as opening batsman for future tours, with Pakistan's defeat at the hands of Zimbabwe in the 2nd test?

Professor H: No, that's no problem. I have been assured a place in the team by the President himself, as he wants to see another Pakistani academic get the Nobel Prize, so the experiments will continue. The next set of experiments will be about seeing the effect on the ball when it makes contact with the shoulder area of the bat , as this experiment has not been done as yet.

MK: How about testing to see what happens to the ball when it hits the middle of the bat, that way you might get some runs too?

Professor H: That's easy my dear fellow, I need something more challenging and intellectually stimulating, which is why I spent 10 years to perfect experimenting with the edge of the bat and will now move onto the shoulder area. In any case Professor Farhat was working on this research actually but I lost contact with him some time ago..but I understand he will be joining me for the SA series to carry out some new research.

MK: Okay, good luck and look forward to reading your findings once you publish them.

:hafeez

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@ Majid Khan

Brilliant posts... :)))

Thanks for making us laugh.... even though I do think, Hafeez should not be dropped yet. :)
 
I am sure those other players had done things to compensate for the lean spell. ...

Surely. ...

I'm sure you must have been through their stats....

Laxman's career stats including that "lean spell"....

16 tests ... ave of 24.07

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

please show me what he had done before that lean spell??

If he was playing for Pakistan, his career would have been HISTORY long before playing those first 16 tests with mediocre average.
 
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Laxman's career stats including that "lean spell"....

16 tests ... ave of 24.07

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

please show me what he had done before that lean spell??

If he was playing for Pakistan, his career would have been HISTORY long before playing those first 16 tests with mediocre average.

With all due respect.... Hafeez has been batting for Pakistan for longer than three years.

If those were Hafeez's stats for the first three years of his career I might think about forgiving him.
 
Majid khan u legend!!One of the best ever posters on pp!
Sir one request the next time u meet the prof could u ask him to conduct an expirement on the effect of the cricket ball hitting the pads?prof has not done too much work on this as i see...
 
With all due respect.... Hafeez has been batting for Pakistan for longer than three years.

If those were Hafeez's stats for the first three years of his career I might think about forgiving him.

OK... let's look at an example that is similar to Hafeez.. then.

When Atherton hit this "lean patch";
Atherton: 7 tests, 12 inning, Ave 10.91
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


He had already been batting for England for three years.... and yet, he went of to lead England! Notice his average after 3 years... 34.. which is similar to Hagfeez.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


Not to mention Atherton went on to hit another lean patch in 1997/98;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings
 
OK... let's look at an example that is similar to Hafeez.. then.

When Atherton hit this "lean patch";
Atherton: 7 tests, 12 inning, Ave 10.91
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


He had already been batting for England for three years.... and yet, he went of to lead England! Notice his average after 3 years... 34.. which is similar to Hagfeez.
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings


Not to mention Atherton went on to hit another lean patch in 1997/98;
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...an;template=results;type=batting;view=innings

With all due respect. ...

Atherton was averaging about 50 before that first lean patch. ...

I don't think Hafeez ever got close to 50... unless I'm mistaken.
 
Sir one request the next time u meet the prof could u ask him to conduct an expirement on the effect of the cricket ball hitting the pads?prof has not done too much work on this as i see...

Spoke to Professor about this and he agrees, this is an excellent proposal for further research and will make it the topic of his next thesis after he has studied the effect of the ball hitting the shoulder of the bat.

Professor said that a fellow academic , the distinguished scholar S. Malik of Sialkot, might be joining him soon to carry out some preliminary experiments as he has considerable expertise in this area of the ball hitting the pads.

Another interesting topic of research would be the effect of the ball hitting the stumps after being deflected off the inside edge of the bat - as this would require specialist skills and expertise, the Professor would need to conduct this research himself or he has nominated Professor Farhat as the only other academic in the country who has what it takes to carry out this work. My understanding is that high level talks are taking place right now to make it possible for Prof. Farhat to come back and rejoin Professor H's research group.
 
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Just been on the phone speaking to the Professor to get an update on his latest research following the Zimbabwe tour, here's a transcript :

MK: Good morning Professor saab, how are you?

Professor H: Hello MK, you will have to be quick as I am very busy at the moment.. getting asked for interviews from many academic journals , following our breakthrough discoveries on the Zimbabwe tour.

MK: No problem Sir, just wanted to get an update from you on your latest research?

Professor H: We have just had a successful visit of Zimbabwe, spent some time with Professor Mazakadsa at Harare Institute of Failed Batsmen to exchange notes, as he is also conducting similar research. I am going to very soon make public the findings as we have a breakthrough in our research, experiments have now successfully proven that the direction of the ball travelling from the bat is clearly dependent on how much surface area of the bat it makes direct contact with.

As you will note from my four experiments in Zimbabwe, when the ball comes into contact with the edge of the bat, it travels backwards. This had been a hypothesis already held by many cricket commentators and some academics, but until now it had not been conclusively proven as we have done on this tour.

MK: Okay, but will they keep allowing you to carry out these experiments as opening batsman for future tours, with Pakistan's defeat at the hands of Zimbabwe in the 2nd test?

Professor H: No, that's no problem. I have been assured a place in the team by the President himself, as he wants to see another Pakistani academic get the Nobel Prize, so the experiments will continue. The next set of experiments will be about seeing the effect on the ball when it makes contact with the shoulder area of the bat , as this experiment has not been done as yet.

MK: How about testing to see what happens to the ball when it hits the middle of the bat, that way you might get some runs too?

Professor H: That's easy my dear fellow, I need something more challenging and intellectually stimulating, which is why I spent 10 years to perfect experimenting with the edge of the bat and will now move onto the shoulder area. In any case Professor Farhat was working on this research actually but I lost contact with him some time ago..but I understand he will be joining me for the SA series to carry out some new research.

MK: Okay, good luck and look forward to reading your findings once you publish them.

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Spoke to Professor about this and he agrees, this is an excellent proposal for further research and will make it the topic of his next thesis after he has studied the effect of the ball hitting the shoulder of the bat.

Professor said that a fellow academic , the distinguished scholar S. Malik of Sialkot, might be joining him soon to carry out some preliminary experiments as he has considerable expertise in this area of the ball hitting the pads.

Another interesting topic of research would be the effect of the ball hitting the stumps after being deflected off the inside edge of the bat - as this would require specialist skills and expertise, the Professor would need to conduct this research himself or he has nominated Professor Farhat as the only other academic in the country who has what it takes to carry out this work. My understanding is that high level talks are taking place right now to make it possible for Prof. Farhat to come back and rejoin Professor H's research group.

prof. hafeez,prof. farhat and prof. malik!!i have never seen such a star studded line up of researchers and academicians,pakistan is truly 'blessed in this facet' if not all facets as said by prof.hafeez
i wish these 3 great scholars best of luck for their future research and i'm sure they will show us experiments on this research during the sa tour!
 
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prof. hafeez,prof. farhat and prof. malik!!i have never seen such a star studded line up of researchers and academicians,pakistan is truly blessed in this facet if not all facets as said by prof.hafeez
i wish these 3 great scholars best of luck for their future research and i'm sure they will show us experiments on this research during the sa tour!

Have people played Cluedo? There's also a professor plum.
 
W63L35 is going no where here...

Of course ... when people have such an obvious double standards... what can anybody do!

When Malik was failing in innings after innings (from 25-67), I was the lone voice that he should not be in the team. I was as "obsessed Malik-hater".

Now ..... the same people who did not mind Malik's 67 failures, are crying wolf over Hafeez's 10 failures...... and nobody is calling them "obsessed with Hafeez-hate"! :) Strange!!!!!!!
 
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like most Pakistani Professors, this guy too is simply not upto the job
 
Of course ... when people have such an obvious double standards... what can anybody do!

When Malik was failing in innings after innings (from 25-67), I was the lone voice that he should not be in the team. I was as "obsessed Malik-hater".

Now ..... the same people who did not mind Malik's 67 failures, are crying wolf over Hafeez's 10 failures...... and nobody is calling them "obsessed with Hafeez-hate"! :) Strange!!!!!!!

I hope u r not referring to me. Malik is just as strange a selection in tests as Hafeez...

I am surprised that someone who can see Malik's shortcomings can like Hafeez so much.
 
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With all due respect. ...

Atherton was averaging about 50 before that first lean patch. ...

I don't think Hafeez ever got close to 50... unless I'm mistaken.

Comapring hafeez with great atherton is childish...
Hafeez is a cancer to the team.
 
I hope u r not referring to me. Malik is just as strange a selection in tests as Hafeez...
No I was not.

I am surprised that someone who can see Malik's shortcomings can like Hafeez so much.
Two huge difference....

I started screaming about Malik's failures after he had failed in 20-25+ innings which went up to 67 innings. Hafeez haas failed in only 10 innings.,

Malik was not in form in ANY format. Hafeez is scoring in T20s and ODIs.
 
No I was not.


Two huge difference....

I started screaming about Malik's failures after he had failed in 20-25+ innings which went up to 67 innings. Hafeez haas failed in only 10 innings.,

Malik was not in form in ANY format. Hafeez is scoring in T20s and ODIs.

Hafeez in his last 20 Test innings is averaging 25 with the bat. And that average is boosted by he 196 he had in one innings.
 
Hafeez in his last 20 Test innings is averaging 25 with the bat. And that average is boosted by he 196 he had in one innings.

Right... as I said:

Malik was not in form in ANY format. 2 fifties in all three formats in 67 innings.

Hafeez is scoring in T20s and ODIs. Medicore ave of 25 in last 20 innings.... (boosted by 196) ..... So there is a hope with Hafeez!
 
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