The reality of life in Pakistan

[Major]

Was in saddar yesterday, had to go to national bank

While i was running through the bank and going in the car filling some form, my mom, who sat in the car saw this young guy who was good looking and was searching through the garbage can, as he searched through the can he found two juice boxes(probably had a sip in it) and drank it.

Really felt terrible afterwards.

I just wanted to tell you guys what a bad state the country is in. We really have no idea the state the poor people are in, the reality of the poor in the street

 

[Slog]

i dont think anyone is unaware of this

 

[Syed1]

I'm sure we have able leadership in the federal government who have 30 years of governance experience and a squeaky clean past, they would be working day and night to resolve this situation. I have complete faith in them.

 

[JaDed]

Are you from Pakistan or an overseas citizen?

 

[troodon]

God provides to people when they are in need.

Thank God young man found a couple of juice boxes in the garbage can or he might have died out of thirst. God acts in mysterious ways.

 

[Moiza]

And you'll still find people advocating for no population controls. I believe this problem is much bigger won't be fixed no matter who is in office. Pakistan has roughly 230 people living in such a limited space with limited resources and this is bound to happen even if jinnah was ruling us today. Take a look at the map of Pakistan and then exclude the area of Baloch balochistan and see how can such a limited piece of land can sustain 220+ million people. Manu areas of sindh, gilgit and kashmir are inhabitable too.

 

[Syed1]

And you'll still find people advocating for no population controls. I believe this problem is much bigger won't be fixed no matter who is in office. Pakistan has roughly 230 people living in such a limited space with limited resources and this is bound to happen even if jinnah was ruling us today. Take a look at the map of Pakistan and then exclude the area of Baloch balochistan and see how can such a limited piece of land can sustain 220+ million people. Manu areas of sindh, gilgit and kashmir are inhabitable too.

You are correct about population control but you incorrectly linked it with population density. Yes Pakistan population density is high if you remove Baluchistan, but it is still far better than India and Bangladesh. Also Japan has a population of 130 million and their land area is significantly smaller than Pakistan but I'm sure you won't see kids eating from garbage in world's third biggest economy.


The key to preventing such a situation is to have a stellar economy something which thieves cannot bring about.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's a sorry situation, but imagine seeing that sight in a first world country. I was in London last year and walking in Stratford there was a man sleeping in the shop doorway early in the morning before the doors opened, and the state of him you would think he was living in a nuclear wasteland. I just don't get how people can end up like this in the modern world, that too in a country where people get paid even if they don't work.

 

[Moiza]

You are correct about population control but you incorrectly linked it with population density. Yes Pakistan population density is high if you remove Baluchistan, but it is still far better than India and Bangladesh. Also Japan has a population of 130 million and their land area is significantly smaller than Pakistan but I'm sure you won't see kids eating from garbage in world's third biggest economy.


The key to preventing such a situation is to have a stellar economy something which thieves cannot bring about.

No no, I'm not linking population density with the situation of the country, plus Japan is a different ball game altogether since it's a developed country and it's not very reliant on its land to provide for it. India and Bangladesh also has a similar problem where there are tons of people and not enough resources to feed all of them. Pakistan can't keep providing for all these people. Even if tomorrow we had the perfect rulers and our economy was on the right track even then if our population keeps increasing at the rate at is at the moment then nothing will change.

There was this rough study I read a few years back which surveyed how many kids the lower class people were having and it said that on average have 4 to 5 kids. I don't see how any country can sustain such population. More than half the problems we face in this country are due to such a large population.

 

[Syed1]

No no, I'm not linking population density with the situation of the country, plus Japan is a different ball game altogether since it's a developed country and it's not very reliant on its land to provide for it. India and Bangladesh also has a similar problem where there are tons of people and not enough resources to feed all of them. Pakistan can't keep providing for all these people. Even if tomorrow we had the perfect rulers and our economy was on the right track even then if our population keeps increasing at the rate at is at the moment then nothing will change.

There was this rough study I read a few years back which surveyed how many kids the lower class people were having and it said that on average have 4 to 5 kids. I don't see how any country can sustain such population. More than half the problems we face in this country are due to such a large population.

So how are you going to stop people from having 4-5 kids?

You give them education, specially the women. How are you going to give them education? By making education cheap and easily accessible yet be at an excellent standard. How are you going to improve the education system? By injecting alot more money into it and ensuring there is minimal leakage through corruption. How are you going to get money for education? By improving the economy and tax collection. How are you going to improve the economy and tax collection? By having competent rulers who are more focused on the well-being of the country rather than well-being of their pockets.


As they say, "It's all about the money, honey"

 

[troodon]

^By the time rulers change, by the time education is given, by the time living standards are improved, it will take decades. In that time, the population can more than double.

If Poverty increases, Faith increases.

Misery breeds religiousness. Religion tells people to have more kids. Poor will think it is good as more kids means more earning hands.

All of subcontinent should follow Chinese way. Limit to 1 or 2 kids.

Anyone who already has 2 kids should have forced planning.

 

[Syed1]

^By the time rulers change, by the time education is given, by the time living standards are improved, it will take decades. In that time, the population can more than double.

If Poverty increases, Faith increases.

Misery breeds religiousness. Religion tells people to have more kids. Poor will think it is good as more kids means more earning hands.

All of subcontinent should follow Chinese way. Limit to 1 or 2 kids.

Anyone who already has 2 kids should have forced planning.

Yes if you have to change the entire culture of a nation then it takes decades. If you want to target the population growth of a country you have to target the girls and arm them with education and desire to have careers and personal development, this will mean that they will have children at an older age and work pressure would mean that they won't have more than 2-3 off-spring (as happens in the West).

Right now what is happening is that in the lower/middle class girls are brought up without any desire to pursue careers and they are married off as soon as they hit 20-22 or as soon as they graduate college. These girls then waste their potential and sit at home all day with the only purpose of their existence being to bear children to cater to their upbringing.

Unfortunately the subcontinent cannot follow the Chinese model, because of a couple reasons. We are not communist countries and such measures cannot be implemented unless the greater public wants it. Secondly implementation of law isn't like China or the west.

 

[Major]

Yes if you have to change the entire culture of a nation then it takes decades. If you want to target the population growth of a country you have to target the girls and arm them with education and desire to have careers and personal development, this will mean that they will have children at an older age and work pressure would mean that they won't have more than 2-3 off-spring (as happens in the West).

Right now what is happening is that in the lower/middle class girls are brought up without any desire to pursue careers and they are married off as soon as they hit 20-22 or as soon as they graduate college. These girls then waste their potential and sit at home all day with the only purpose of their existence being to bear children to cater to their upbringing.

Unfortunately the subcontinent cannot follow the Chinese model, because of a couple reasons. We are not communist countries and such measures cannot be implemented unless the greater public wants it. Secondly implementation of law isn't like China or the west.

The last sentece is crucial. I believe pakistans problems are linked to law and order. You solve law and order it fixes lots of things

 

[Major]

Are you from Pakistan or an overseas citizen?

Pakistan, but been to canada and india in the past

 

[troodon]

Yes if you have to change the entire culture of a nation then it takes decades. If you want to target the population growth of a country you have to target the girls and arm them with education and desire to have careers and personal development, this will mean that they will have children at an older age and work pressure would mean that they won't have more than 2-3 off-spring (as happens in the West).

Right now what is happening is that in the lower/middle class girls are brought up without any desire to pursue careers and they are married off as soon as they hit 20-22 or as soon as they graduate college. These girls then waste their potential and sit at home all day with the only purpose of their existence being to bear children to cater to their upbringing.

Unfortunately the subcontinent cannot follow the Chinese model, because of a couple reasons. We are not communist countries and such measures cannot be implemented unless the greater public wants it. Secondly implementation of law isn't like China or the west.

Subcontinent people listen to Danda. That is enough.

Our countries should throw democracy out of the window just for population control. Peoples opinion cannot be taken when it comes to forced family plannings.
The current generation will resent the Govt measures. They will whine, moan and use filthy language against Govt. But at least the future generations can hope for better lives.

 

[Zak_Fan]

So you are a Pakistani but this comes as a surprise to you? What you describe can be seen in Western countries too. The real extent of poverty here runs much deeper. For millions, finding such garbage can would count as a lucky day.

 

[Gubol123]

if you have been to India, you would know that the situation is not so different in India. Some places worse some places better.

regarding the population size or population density being an issue, yes, i agree to some extent it is an issue. But Pakistan, India have enough arable land to feed its population, probably more than current population density. Also our farming methods do not use water optimally and productivity is quite less compared to what some of the western countries can achieve. if you look at population density by available arable land area both Pakistan and India fare very well and actually better than Japan, UK, etc. Nearer home Srilanka is doing extremely well with much less resources.

The problem with India and Pakistan is that we are ruled by a bunch of greedy politicians who have used our differences and exploited us over generations. If the current generation wakes up and votes a less corrupt government into power and keeps it that way for next two decades, we will do well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Subcontinent people listen to Danda. That is enough.

Our countries should throw democracy out of the window just for population control. Peoples opinion cannot be taken when it comes to forced family plannings.
The current generation will resent the Govt measures. They will whine, moan and use filthy language against Govt. But at least the future generations can hope for better lives.

Subcontinent people are fine when they move abroad, or at least they learn to be once the danda starts landing without fail. The problem is the danda isn't usually rigorously applied in the subcontinent like it is in developed countries. For a fistful of dollars the danda can usually be persuaded to land on someone else's backside if you have enough clout.

 

[Gubol123]

Yes, walk downtown New York, Chicago, Berlin and you will find number of homeless people in exactly same situation. But the poverty in subcontinent is even worse.. things are improving, but it will take atleast one more decade before we can see most of our citizens go to sleep with a full stomach

 

[Gubol123]

China used danda and they learnt that was too harsh. India, Bangladesh and Srilanka tried to educate their masses and it has worked. Population growth has reduced in India and Bangladesh in the last couple of decades. We used to see government ads about population growth when we were growing up. i don't think i have seen much in the last few years.

 

[Syed1]

China used danda and they learnt that was too harsh. India, Bangladesh and Srilanka tried to educate their masses and it has worked. Population growth has reduced in India and Bangladesh in the last couple of decades. We used to see government ads about population growth when we were growing up. i don't think i have seen much in the last few years.

Yeah I grew up watching "bachay do hi achay" ad lol

I don't think anything similar airs now.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

So how are you going to stop people from having 4-5 kids?

You give them education, specially the women. How are you going to give them education? By making education cheap and easily accessible yet be at an excellent standard. How are you going to improve the education system? By injecting alot more money into it and ensuring there is minimal leakage through corruption. How are you going to get money for education? By improving the economy and tax collection. How are you going to improve the economy and tax collection? By having competent rulers who are more focused on the well-being of the country rather than well-being of their pockets.


As they say, "It's all about the money, honey"

Very well said.I agree.

 

[Moiza]

So how are you going to stop people from having 4-5 kids?

You give them education, specially the women. How are you going to give them education? By making education cheap and easily accessible yet be at an excellent standard. How are you going to improve the education system? By injecting alot more money into it and ensuring there is minimal leakage through corruption. How are you going to get money for education? By improving the economy and tax collection. How are you going to improve the economy and tax collection? By having competent rulers who are more focused on the well-being of the country rather than well-being of their pockets.


As they say, "It's all about the money, honey"

Agree with the things you said but as someone correctly pointed out that by the time these measure have an effect by then we might have twice the population we have at the moment. Moreover population grows exponentially rather than linearly so Pakistan could easily be standing with 400 million or half a billion people in the next few decades.

If it were up to me I would implement the things you said but I would also go with a danda system countrywide 1-2 child limit. If the population keeps increasing like this the every govt in the future will try to develop infrastructure to cope with the increasing population and less money will be left to educate the masses. As it stand the govt schools are overflowing and its becoming harder and harder for facilities to keep up, things will only get worse with time.

 

[Moiza]

if you have been to India, you would know that the situation is not so different in India. Some places worse some places better.

regarding the population size or population density being an issue, yes, i agree to some extent it is an issue. But Pakistan, India have enough arable land to feed its population, probably more than current population density. Also our farming methods do not use water optimally and productivity is quite less compared to what some of the western countries can achieve. if you look at population density by available arable land area both Pakistan and India fare very well and actually better than Japan, UK, etc. Nearer home Srilanka is doing extremely well with much less resources.

The problem with India and Pakistan is that we are ruled by a bunch of greedy politicians who have used our differences and exploited us over generations. If the current generation wakes up and votes a less corrupt government into power and keeps it that way for next two decades, we will do well.

Population density is not the exact problem here. There are countries with higher P densities but the difference is that population there contributes to the economy whereas half our population is a burden on the country and only a few percent people are taxed directly. No country in the SC can keep providing jobs and facilities for the increasing number of people.

 

[ExpressPacer]

So you are a Pakistani but this comes as a surprise to you? What you describe can be seen in Western countries too. The real extent of poverty here runs much deeper. For millions, finding such garbage can would count as a lucky day.

But its getting better in India. Pakistan just seems to getting worse by the minute and there's nothing that we are even trying to do about it.

 

[ExpressPacer]

My mother worked in the Govt. Department for population and the truth is, everything's getting worse by the day. Its gotten even worse in this Govt. Budgets have been cut short by 90% and the money is being spent on infrastructure like roads and bridges. We're moving backwards. And this census is going to show it. This is the reality. Living standards in Pakistan, for the majority, will severly fall within the next few years with even clean water being available to a small few. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

 

[Moiza]

And despite everything there is the Muslim impact. Even in India, muslim population is growing much faster than the hindu population. As we saw in another thread that some people still live in the delusion that even if there were 5 billion people in Pakistan they would be provided for. If you consider this thread, the boy eating out of the trash was provide for by God and didnt die of hunger so in the grand scheme of things God did provide for him, just not in the way traditional muslims had hoped.

 

[Moiza]

My mother worked in the Govt. Department for population and the truth is, everything's getting worse by the day. Its gotten even worse in this Govt. Budgets have been cut short by 90% and the money is being spent on infrastructure like roads and bridges. We're moving backwards. And this census is going to show it. This is the reality. Living standards in Pakistan, for the majority, will severly fall within the next few years with even clean water being available to a small few. [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]

100% agree. If anyone doubts this statement then take a look at Islamabad. I fail to see how only 5 rivers can provide for 230 million people along with irrigation for agriculture.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Subcontinent people listen to Danda. That is enough.

Our countries should throw democracy out of the window just for population control. Peoples opinion cannot be taken when it comes to forced family plannings.
The current generation will resent the Govt measures. They will whine, moan and use filthy language against Govt. But at least the future generations can hope for better lives.

POTW. I seriously think that both India and Pakistan need to adopt the one child policy and stop this bs of letting people do whatever they want everywhere. Once you bring a life into this world and you cannot support it properly, it should be considered a sin.

If someone wants to have more than one child, they should be able to show documents and facts proving that they have enough financial means to provide that child an exorbitant life.

 

[Gubol123]

and all those messages behind trucks. In parts of south India, one of the unofficial punishment for trucks ferrying people (they are not supposed to) was to paint population control messages at their back

 

[ExpressPacer]

100% agree. If anyone doubts this statement then take a look at Islamabad. I fail to see how only 5 rivers can provide for 230 million people along with irrigation for agriculture.

Even Islamabad is suffering with a problem of clean, drinking water and has been doing so for a good decade now. All the reservoirs need to be desalinated but the Nooras are too busy spending money on stupid roads.

 

[Moiza]

Imagine if Pakistan was at the same population level at which it was in 1950 (40 mil) how better off everyone would be today and how high everyone's standard of living would have been. We have increased 5 times since we got our independence and I think this factor will only increase once the current census results come in.

 

[ExpressPacer]

And despite everything there is the Muslim impact. Even in India, muslim population is growing much faster than the hindu population. As we saw in another thread that some people still live in the delusion that even if there were 5 billion people in Pakistan they would be provided for. If you consider this thread, the boy eating out of the trash was provide for by God and didnt die of hunger so in the grand scheme of things God did provide for him, just not in the way traditional muslims had hoped.

Things are even worse in India unfortunately. Recently, I was reading an article about India where Hindu leaders were ordering their community to have more offspring's because they were scared that Muslims would outnumber them and eventually go on to become the majority. Ignorance and stupidity runs in the blood of us subcontinental people. I seriously have no hope. I love Pakistan and never wish to move out (and most probably never will) but the fact is, I'm afraid Pakistan is going to meet a sorry, sorry end because of its stupid population.

Despite India having a massive overpopulation issue, at least it is getting better. At least the rate of births and rate of increase in population has gone down. In Pakistan, it gets worse by the minute and soon there will be too few schools, too few hospitals, too few homes and a billion illiterate, poor and malnourished people. Our politics is doomed. Corruption runs through the system like a free-flowing water.

The optimistic side in me believes the only situation is a coup (and I'm not really a fan of the army either). The military knows how to get things done. Sure, there's fewer pros and more cons but if they can solve just this one problem with the use of force, the Pakistani people will be forever thankful.

 

[Nostalgic]

When it comes to overpopulation, the phrase du jour on social media is "Musalmaanon ki Fauj," i.e all these people are a veritable army in waiting. All they need is a general, and then watch them work wonders. This scientific mumbo jumbo about overstretched resources, population control et al is all hogwash.

When it comes to certain right-wing outfits, these people really are a "fauj." All these malnourished kids out of school are ripe for being exploited by said outfits. No wonder they are so vociferous about controlling the population.

 

[Gubol123]

I know it may be tempting to say Muslims are out their populating the world, the truth is, it is due to lack of awareness among women. increase awareness among women and you will see population growth stabilizing. As Syed1 put it eloquently few posts above, improving education and awareness will improve the situation. Muslims tend to have more children because of low literacy and awareness among women folk. Even Hindu women with low literacy and awareness tend to have more kids (see UP, Bihar and generally Hindi belt in India) Many of these women would have already missed the literacy bus but awareness can still improve the situation as can be seen in Bangladesh. I am not sure how easy it is in Pakistan society to talk about birth control, but talking more about it will improve. The message need not even be public message if the society is conservative. the message can be spread through local medical centers talking directly to women groups as it is done in India. Remember even conservative Christians and Jews tend not to go for birth control, it is not just Muslim thing. But more awareness will always have a positive impact.

 

[Gubol123]

Agreed, so stabilize the population growth and bring it to replacement rate (already happening in India and Bangladesh). then find leaders who will put the country in the right direction. We have enough resources to take care of the population

 

[StreetSmart]

The reality of life in Pakistan is our First president was murdered and if someone tries to work for good he will be killed too and our blind awam will be sold for just a plate of Biryani.

 

[GujjarLife]

Don't worry........The geniuses in PML-N will fix all of this. Ahsan Iqbal just promised to make Pakistan a leading exporting nation in two years (despite the fact that the trade deficit just reached a historic high). And the poor kid can forget healthcare. Noon-league spend more time attacking Shaukat Khanum than actually investing in hospitals.

 

[Tera Gawaandi]

OP should visit Dubai (especially Deira and Sharjah) and see good looking Pashtuns in Salwar Kameez harassing passerby's. They sell iPhone clone's, they are street hawkers and comment on people's personal appearance and compel them to buy products. They ruin experience of visitors. Its so disgusting, then back of your mind you remember how boastful Pakistani's are of good looks when to comes to certain ethnicities, what use are those good looks? Your conduct, dignity, personality matters, looks won't take you far.

 

[proud_pakistani]

There have been several times I have been reminded of the sad reality of some people in Pakistan. A couple of years a go an acquantance of mine told me he was on a flight to Lahore from Dubai and he was sat next to someone who looked of labor class and was crying a lot. He asked him are you Ok. He replied my nephew was travelling and he was trying to get into Greece through a boat (illegally) and their boat flipped due to high current on the way there and he was going back to Pakistan as a result of that. Such is the situation of some people that they have to resort to a difficult voyage just to improve their life. This story was very saddening for me and showed people were willing to do anything to get out of Pakistan.

 

[big_gamer007]

Life of the poor is the same everywhere.. Getting new politicians/development etc is not in our scope however what we can do is help the poor out as much as one can.. Try donating unused clothes, don't give money but give food whenever you can..

End of the day the politicians should be blamed but one should not run away from ones own responsibility towards the lesser privileged.. 10-15 rs don't make a difference to anyone's life here however the same 10-15 rs can help someone eat with a full stomach.. Smoke 1 ciggy less one day for one poor..
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Life of the poor is the same everywhere.. Getting new politicians/development etc is not in our scope however what we can do is help the poor out as much as one can.. Try donating unused clothes, don't give money but give food whenever you can..

End of the day the politicians should be blamed but one should not run away from ones own responsibility towards the lesser privileged.. 10-15 rs don't make a difference to anyone's life here however the same 10-15 rs can help someone eat with a full stomach.. Smoke 1 ciggy less one day for one poor..
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

I agree with you brother. We Pakistanis do spend alot of money in Charity and I am sure Indians do too.


Yes we as Humans need to do much more.


Yes Population is a huge issue aswell but the governments are equally responsible.


We have been listening for 70 years about Welfare State Welfare State but it is not existent. Instead we see many western countries which are Welfare States. Why ? Because of Accountability, Systems working. Tax Collection is optimised hence Governments have money to give to those who don't work or governments suppprt students aswell.


Pakistan's Tax Collection is Peanuts thanks to the Corrupt System hence this handsome kid isn't in School. He isn't given weekly 200-300 rupees by the State of Pakistan. There are many Western Countries with population less than 5 million and in Pakistan 30 million Children are out of School because of poverty. If government has money that they can finance their studies atleast uptil grade 12 with sufficient stipend to discourage child labour aswell. But No they don't want a just system in place. They are self centred.

 

[Moiza]

Life of the poor is the same everywhere.. Getting new politicians/development etc is not in our scope however what we can do is help the poor out as much as one can.. Try donating unused clothes, don't give money but give food whenever you can..

End of the day the politicians should be blamed but one should not run away from ones own responsibility towards the lesser privileged.. 10-15 rs don't make a difference to anyone's life here however the same 10-15 rs can help someone eat with a full stomach.. Smoke 1 ciggy less one day for one poor..
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] [MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION]

Although I'm guilty of doing it but giving out money is the worst possible thing to do. These beggars on the signals are not just randomly poor people but are rather controlled by a large mafia. A relative of ours learned it the hard way when he tried to help one of these beggars. Most beggars in islamabad are earning upwards of 30-40k a month!

 

[big_gamer007]

Although I'm guilty of doing it but giving out money is the worst possible thing to do. These beggars on the signals are not just randomly poor people but are rather controlled by a large mafia. A relative of ours learned it the hard way when he tried to help one of these beggars. Most beggars in islamabad are earning upwards of 30-40k a month!

Yes like I said don't give money but give food instead.. Watch traffic signal it's a Bollywood movie about the begging mafia, corruption is everywhere people are so besharam they take money off the poor also to fill their own pockets.. Amazing world really

 

[big_gamer007]

I agree with you brother. We Pakistanis do spend alot of money in Charity and I am sure Indians do too.


Yes we as Humans need to do much more.


Yes Population is a huge issue aswell but the governments are equally responsible.


We have been listening for 70 years about Welfare State Welfare State but it is not existent. Instead we see many western countries which are Welfare States. Why ? Because of Accountability, Systems working. Tax Collection is optimised hence Governments have money to give to those who don't work or governments suppprt students aswell.


Pakistan's Tax Collection is Peanuts thanks to the Corrupt System hence this handsome kid isn't in School. He isn't given weekly 200-300 rupees by the State of Pakistan. There are many Western Countries with population less than 5 million and in Pakistan 30 million Children are out of School because of poverty. If government has money that they can finance their studies atleast uptil grade 12 with sufficient stipend to discourage child labour aswell. But No they don't want a just system in place. They are self centred.

Agreed mate our population is too huge, society as a whole is corrupt so it's difficult to move towards a western model of welfare state it will take time.. TBH I heard in UP (one of the most backward state in India) the government gives rs 2500 to unemployed person and when BJP came to power last month I heard they will increase this to rs 3000.. Not sure if this actually happens or not and how many people actually get the money and how much money is stolen by corrupt babus and netas but if this gets implemented properly atleast no one would have to sleep empty stomach..