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Has failed in my humble opinion.

The old adage 'nothing succeeds like success' is there for a reason.

Would have been a better idea to get yourself in a winning momentum with the best side you have so that you could be on top of your game mentally when you arrive in England.

Instead we will now have a situation that there will be doubts in the team's minds and that cannot be good for the morale.

I suppose if we had won, people would have said that this was a master-stroke but many had said that our second string XI isnt that good and the team management should have thought about it.
 
I think the primary goal of the PCB and team management was just to try new players out and a different combination for a change while resting the key players. Winning/Losing was secondary.
 
they instead should have just rotated some players around
 
I think the primary goal of the PCB and team management was just to try new players out and a different combination for a change while resting the key players. Winning/Losing was secondary.

Again I keep hearing new players mantra.... who are these new players?


Imam? Shan? Imad? UAkmal? Haris Sohail? Rizwan? Shah? Shinwari? Amir? Junaid?



Exactly who is this legendary mythical new player being talked about who got the chance of a lifetime.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4 years to build and prepare a squad for a World Cup and weeks before the tournament Pakistan are making losing a habit. Experimentation and squad rotation should not be left to the last minute and just before a World Cup <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110975782170566656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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We're being battered left right and centre and being humiliated. You can't throw out your second string against a team like Australia - it's lambs to the slaughter.
 
sack Inzi, sack MA - sack the whole bloody lot of them.
 
Again I keep hearing new players mantra.... who are these new players?


Imam? Shan? Imad? UAkmal? Haris Sohail? Rizwan? Shah? Shinwari? Amir? Junaid?



Exactly who is this legendary mythical new player being talked about who got the chance of a lifetime.

Exactly. These players have been part of setup for adequate amount of time. The only new player who played was Hasnain, while Abid Ali and Saad Ali were warming the bench.
 
The only new player that got a chance was Hasnain . This was a perfect chance to see what abid Ali and saad Ali could do but PCB wasted it and I doubt they will give them a game, also what was really dumb was when they rested Faheem Ashraf they could have easily brought in another spinner but they didn't
 
Surely what happens at the WC will determine whether this strategy failed or was a success?
 
Even if we had whitewashed the Aussies here this would still be an idiotic decision.

Australia is a really good side that always give their all and it would have made excellent practice, playing the PSL for some does not warrant resting, ODI is a different ball game.

What angers me even more is the selection of test bowlers Abbas and Shah. Abbas someone can barely argue that they wanted an Asif like bowler in England, but these fools don't even realize that this isn't the same England, these will be roads with 350+ scores and its a little late now to be shaping Abbas into an ODI bowler.

Shah is more mind boggling.

I'm certain that the more mature and sound minded posters on Pakpassion can do a better job in selecting squads.
 
Again I keep hearing new players mantra.... who are these new players?


Imam? Shan? Imad? UAkmal? Haris Sohail? Rizwan? Shah? Shinwari? Amir? Junaid?



Exactly who is this legendary mythical new player being talked about who got the chance of a lifetime.

Abid Ali, Saad Ali and Husnain are the new players in this series. Problem is Pakistan has not played 2 of them yet and series is already done :facepalm:
 
Again I keep hearing new players mantra.... who are these new players?


Imam? Shan? Imad? UAkmal? Haris Sohail? Rizwan? Shah? Shinwari? Amir? Junaid?



Exactly who is this legendary mythical new player being talked about who got the chance of a lifetime.

Agree.. Micky said that we trying new players and noone from the so called journalists asked this question who is the new lot...
 
This series has been disaster because of the incompetence of Shoaib Malik and Mickey Arthur.
 
Abid Ali, Saad Ali and Husnain are the new players in this series. Problem is Pakistan has not played 2 of them yet and series is already done :facepalm:

They may get a chance in next 2 games.
 
“We are a proud team and we hate losing.”

Oh please, if you are proud enough and you hate losing, then why don’t you give chances to deserving players.

Maybe they can change your fortune.

I mean whole Pakistani Cricket Team is in a mess right now.

The management has ruined the morale and the bonding of this team by not playing its front-line players at the most vulnerable time before the WC.

But yeah MA has won us a CT by his wonderful “thinking-brain”.
 
They may get a chance in next 2 games.

may be but the series is already over so they would not get the real match experience, those 3 new guys should have played first 3 games to find out their ceiling
 
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The selections of Abbas, Shah, Akmal and Malik, and non-selection of a specialist spinner deserves criticism.

However those complaining about the resting of players - when would you have rested them ? Would you have had them playing non-stop between September through to the World Cup ?
 
The biggest beneficiaries are the so-called main players.

Our habitual denial has us convinced that the outcome would have been different had our first choice players played.

The same first choice players that have lost 11 out of 15 ODIs against the higher ranked teams post Champions Trophy.

Our pride is too great for us to come to terms with reality - the reality is that we are simply not good enough.

We don’t have enough quality players in the country to beat the likes of India, Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand apart from one-off games.

The said teams will beat us 8 out of 10 times no matter which playing XI we assemble.

Pakistan cricket stinks of mediocrity and we have no elite, top tier cricketers. People can argue about the likes of Babar, but there are superior players like Root, Williamson etc. who play a similar role.

Once we realize that we are simply a poor team, these defeats will not hurt much and we can perhaps chalk out a strategy of making things better. However, as long as we are in denial and keep peddling the myth that “Pakistan me talent bohat hai” etc. we will only go downhill.
 
The selections of Abbas, Shah, Akmal and Malik, and non-selection of a specialist spinner deserves criticism.

However those complaining about the resting of players - when would you have rested them ? Would you have had them playing non-stop between September through to the World Cup ?

A bit of rotation would have been better. Playing this lot against Australia was a seriously bad idea.
 
Don't get why the first team players could not play 3/5 of the games at least. Especially someone like Hasan Ali who looked in good touch could have really helped the team.
 
The biggest beneficiaries are the so-called main players.

Our habitual denial has us convinced that the outcome would have been different had our first choice players played.

The same first choice players that have lost 11 out of 15 ODIs against the higher ranked teams post Champions Trophy.

Our pride is too great for us to come to terms with reality - the reality is that we are simply not good enough.

We don’t have enough quality players in the country to beat the likes of India, Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand apart from one-off games.

The said teams will beat us 8 out of 10 times no matter which playing XI we assemble.

Pakistan cricket stinks of mediocrity and we have no elite, top tier cricketers. People can argue about the likes of Babar, but there are superior players like Root, Williamson etc. who play a similar role.

Once we realize that we are simply a poor team, these defeats will not hurt much and we can perhaps chalk out a strategy of making things better. However, as long as we are in denial and keep peddling the myth that “Pakistan me talent bohat hai” etc. we will only go downhill.

Agreed.

This team will surprise you here and there but they'll always remain an average team.

These fans need PSL year round, at least with that every win is a Pakistani win.
 
A bit of rotation would have been better. Playing this lot against Australia was a seriously bad idea.

What's worse is this ODI series should've happened last October !

Instead we had 3 bloody useless T20Is vs AUS when that should've been a 3 match ODI series.
 
Lol, the CT win has inflated everyone's expectations about our team and players, the averages show the team in reality is very poor.
 
Lol, the CT win has inflated everyone's expectations about our team and players, the averages show the team in reality is very poor.


They do well in these one off games, should be a good World Cup.
 
Hasan and Shaheen needed to be rested but I don’t understand why Sarfraz and Fakhar were rested. Fakhar was out of form so he needed game time to get back into form. Whilst Sarfraz needs to get some batting form and also we know he is captaining at the World Cup so why give it to Malik?

I think our full strength team would have been beaten to be honest. Yall will see the strength of our first team when we play England before the World Cup.
 
Strange these cricket fans.

Pakistan fans are asking why first string players are rested in this series. Obviously new players and strategies are being tried
The rested ones are certain to play World Cup. Why risk injury to players sure to be in world cup squad?
Thats a good strategy and it has its own risk that players may become rusty and loose form.

On other hand Indian fans are asking why their first string players are not rested in IPL.
IPL is perfect practice scenario. Kohli , Rohit, Dhoni, for that matter even Kartik are getting some kind of captaincy experience in the games while captaining their franchise teams.Surely they can share lessons learned with each other.
Bowlers are getting match practice of bowling in death overs kind of situation when batsmen are trying to hit anything and everything. Surely thats better than bowling in nets.
Batters likely to be selected for world cup for their countries and currently playing for their franchise team are getting real time match batting practice in different situations.
Surely thats better than practice batting in nets. Yes it is true there may be injuries but players can get injured in nets as well as Prithvi Shaw who got injured in nets before Australia Series will vouch. So playing IPL is also a good strategy in a way and has its own risks in form of potential injury.

Both strategies have the plus and minus points and there is no right or wrong kind of strategy.... just two different approaches.
 
Has failed in my humble opinion.

The old adage 'nothing succeeds like success' is there for a reason.

Would have been a better idea to get yourself in a winning momentum with the best side you have so that you could be on top of your game mentally when you arrive in England.

Instead we will now have a situation that there will be doubts in the team's minds and that cannot be good for the morale.

I suppose if we had won, people would have said that this was a master-stroke but many had said that our second string XI isnt that good and the team management should have thought about it.

Resting players makes no sense. Slowly integrating players in and out of the team through a 4 Year Cycle Does Make Sense. No team does it. Pakistan is awful at it.
 
Strange these cricket fans.

Pakistan fans are asking why first string players are rested in this series. Obviously new players and strategies are being tried
The rested ones are certain to play World Cup. Why risk injury to players sure to be in world cup squad?
Thats a good strategy and it has its own risk that players may become rusty and loose form.

On other hand Indian fans are asking why their first string players are not rested in IPL.
IPL is perfect practice scenario. Kohli , Rohit, Dhoni, for that matter even Kartik are getting some kind of captaincy experience in the games while captaining their franchise teams.Surely they can share lessons learned with each other.
Bowlers are getting match practice of bowling in death overs kind of situation when batsmen are trying to hit anything and everything. Surely thats better than bowling in nets.
Batters likely to be selected for world cup for their countries and currently playing for their franchise team are getting real time match batting practice in different situations.
Surely thats better than practice batting in nets. Yes it is true there may be injuries but players can get injured in nets as well as Prithvi Shaw who got injured in nets before Australia Series will vouch. So playing IPL is also a good strategy in a way and has its own risks in form of potential injury.

Both strategies have the plus and minus points and there is no right or wrong kind of strategy.... just two different approaches.


Umar Akmal, Rizwan, Yasir Shah, Abbas, Shan Masood aren’t new players. Even Saad Ali has been In squads before.
 
initially I was on board with the idea of resting top players to try new talent, but with Malik's pathetic attitude and the lack of actually trying new players - this plan has been a flop

in Malik, Yasir, Rizwan, Abbas - you have basically wasted 4 spots on players that should not have been playing in this series

The idea seems even more idiotic when you consider the team has almost a month off after the Aus series to 'rest'
 
Only time will tell if the policy was a good idea.

But losing matches on a regular basis a few weeks before a World Cup is risky and far from ideal.
 
We had chances to do so for the last year and yet we declined to rest/replace the players. Now that we're months away from the WC we rest players and "try out" new players? Spare me the crap.

Making Hasnain the only major change, and bringing in Masood/Akmal isn't trying out new players.

I have no doubt now they'll give debuts to Abid/Saad and pretend like that was their plan all along.
 
Has failed in my humble opinion.

The old adage 'nothing succeeds like success' is there for a reason.

Would have been a better idea to get yourself in a winning momentum with the best side you have so that you could be on top of your game mentally when you arrive in England.

Instead we will now have a situation that there will be doubts in the team's minds and that cannot be good for the morale.

I suppose if we had won, people would have said that this was a master-stroke but many had said that our second string XI isnt that good and the team management should have thought about it.

Your second line just does not hold true for Pakistan cricket.
Its all about riding the great of a wave and emotion leading to peaking at the right time.
 
Don't get why the first team players could not play 3/5 of the games at least. Especially someone like Hasan Ali who looked in good touch could have really helped the team.

The problem is Pakistan cricket being based in the UAE. The players aren't being rested appropriately when so far away from their homes, their families etc.

Regardless though it was a hilariously poor bit of planning to remove the core of the team in the penultimate series before the WC and we are rightly paying the price.
 
The problem is Pakistan cricket being based in the UAE. The players aren't being rested appropriately when so far away from their homes, their families etc.

Regardless though it was a hilariously poor bit of planning to remove the core of the team in the penultimate series before the WC and we are rightly paying the price.

They would have had a months break.
Nothing is happening in April

England series starts in May
 
If you see an old thread most of the posters were happy with this.

I remember only me and 2 other posters said that we should go with full strength squad this close to the world cup and only rotate fast bowlers and try to find a new opener. It will effect the confidence of the team on a whole.
 
Again I keep hearing new players mantra.... who are these new players?


Imam? Shan? Imad? UAkmal? Haris Sohail? Rizwan? Shah? Shinwari? Amir? Junaid?



Exactly who is this legendary mythical new player being talked about who got the chance of a lifetime.

Husnain? Saad? Abid? Abbas? Masood?Additionally, Haris, Akmal, Junaid, Rizwan, Shah and Shinwari are all making their comeback.

It would be foolish to claim that Pakistan does not have a better idea about their bench now than they did two weeks ago. This will be more important than winning a series in completely contrasting conditions to those that will be found during the WC.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">4 years to build and prepare a squad for a World Cup and weeks before the tournament Pakistan are making losing a habit. Experimentation and squad rotation should not be left to the last minute and just before a World Cup <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1110975782170566656?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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This isn't the last moment though. Pakistan also has a five-match series in England before the WC where the WC team will play and the players will get their chance to gel, get in form and have some momentum behind them.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Disappointed by Pakistan's performance against Australia. It was too close to the World Cup to check bench strength. <br>Team needs to get their focus back before the World Cup.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1111195495068770304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Resting players for Australia series has worked like a charm. Many myths have been busted about:
1. New players being given chances
2. 280 being defendable
3. Mickey's progress
4. Malik's midas touch Captaincy
5. Shan Masood as the saviour
6. Umar Akmal's second (or 20th) coming
7. Pakistan's B team's strength
...and much more.

Pakistan will go into England series before the world cup with their heads screwed on straight.
 
The biggest beneficiaries are the so-called main players.

Our habitual denial has us convinced that the outcome would have been different had our first choice players played.

The same first choice players that have lost 11 out of 15 ODIs against the higher ranked teams post Champions Trophy.

Our pride is too great for us to come to terms with reality - the reality is that we are simply not good enough.

We don’t have enough quality players in the country to beat the likes of India, Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand apart from one-off games.

The said teams will beat us 8 out of 10 times no matter which playing XI we assemble.

Pakistan cricket stinks of mediocrity and we have no elite, top tier cricketers. People can argue about the likes of Babar, but there are superior players like Root, Williamson etc. who play a similar role.

Once we realize that we are simply a poor team, these defeats will not hurt much and we can perhaps chalk out a strategy of making things better. However, as long as we are in denial and keep peddling the myth that “Pakistan me talent bohat hai” etc. we will only go downhill.

Do you have any strategy in mind to fix these issues?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Disappointed by Pakistan's performance against Australia. It was too close to the World Cup to check bench strength. <br>Team needs to get their focus back before the World Cup.</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/1111195495068770304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Did he have the same views before the series too? If not he cannot criticize the management!
 
We have 11 games of cricket in England before the World Cup gets going! That’s more than enough for everyone who’s been rested to get in to the groove and ready. Yes it’s disappointing losing another series but I think there’s too much criticism of the decision to rest our players.
The criticism should be aimed at the fact that not enough new, young talent has been given a chance in this series. The likes of Saud and Zafar or any decent freakin’ spinner really should’ve been playing this series.
 
LAHORE: Former Test fast bowler Sarfraz Nawaz as well as member of the National Assembly Standing Committee on Sports Iqbal Mohammad Ali have slam*med the policy of the ******tan Cricket Board (PCB) and national selectors to rest top Pakistani cricketers for the tough One-day series against Australia and added that the series could have served as ideal preparation for the upcoming World Cup.

Pakistan on Wednesday conceded the series to Aussies by losing the first three of the five ODIs which were all lop-sided contests, mainly due to the absences of six of the leading national team players including skipper Sarfraz Ahmed, Babar Azam and others.

Talking to Dawn from London, formr pacer Sarfraz lamented the recent absurd steps taken by the PCB, including resting top players, which he said could destroy the country’s cricket.

“Win or loss does not matter, the first thing for the selectors is to field the best team and no one can justify the policy of resting the key players, especially when the World Cup is barely two months away,” said Sarfraz. “I don’t believe the PSL’s T20 matches were any serious activity which could cause fatigue to the players. “The PSL was just a cakewalk for the players and could not have been tiresome for them. So this ‘rest’ logic is beyond me really.”

Sarfraz also criticised the appointment of tainted Salman Butt as captain of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa team for the Pakistan Cup which is commencing in Rawalpindi from April 2.

He urged prime minister Imran Khan to look into the mattter as to why PCB is trying to promote tainted cricketers.

Sarfraz said PCB chairman Ehsan Mani should be asked why he had hired people on hefty salaries. He argued that when the Punjab government raised the salaries of its MPAs, Imran took instant action to stop the raise but the PM has failed to check what is going on in the PCB under his own nose.

Meanwhile, Iqbal, who has been a member of the standing committee on sports for the last 15 years, echoed Sarfraz’s views and said the people who need rest are chief selector Inzamam-ul-Haq and head coach Mickey Arthur who have failed to deliver and not to the players.

Iqbal said while the other teams of the world were playing with full strength, the selectors in Pakistan were giving rest to the players. He said it seemed there was no one to have a check on the cricketing affairs.

Iqbal was also critical of the PCB for not presenting any inspiring new domestic cricket structure to PM Imran in its Wednesday’s meeting in Islamabad.

“Who selected Haroon Rasheed to give the presentation to the prime minister?” he questioned. “These are the same people who have their role in ruining cricket.”

Iqbal also pointed out that the report of Ehsan Mani’s task force, which was made by Prime Minister to oversee 40 sports disciplines in the country, was yet to be announced and the delay was consequently affecting the release of grants to the national sports federations for 2018-19. “Many national sports federations have already submitted the audited accounts of the previous grants but even they are waiting as the activities of almost all the national sports federations are at a standstill,” he regretted.

He said the standing committee would ask federal sports minister Fehmida Mirza and officials of the IPC and Ehsan Mani to come and discuss the current situation of sports in the country.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1472548/sarfraz-nawaz-iqbal-question-logic-behind-resting-top-cricketers
 
Conditions are the most important factor in cricket and will be nothing like the world cup.

Good move and honestly won’t matter.

If anything it’s great as we are giving Umar Akmal , Haris, hasnain etc a test run and sorting out the final kinks in the team.

We have an odi series in England against England to get momentum. Relax everyone
 
We have 11 games of cricket in England before the World Cup gets going! That’s more than enough for everyone who’s been rested to get in to the groove and ready. Yes it’s disappointing losing another series but I think there’s too much criticism of the decision to rest our players.
The criticism should be aimed at the fact that not enough new, young talent has been given a chance in this series. The likes of Saud and Zafar or any decent freakin’ spinner really should’ve been playing this series.

Precisely.. everyone needs to calm down.

Only real error was giving Yasir Shah a go and not trying some even newer names like Saud.
 
Australia are also testing their bench strength.

No Turner, Smith or Warner.

Cummins was rested for the first 2 ODI. No Hazelwood and Starc.


And we hardly tested any bench. Where are Abid and Saad Ali? Where is Umer Khan?

We are bad. The 'main players' would have performed just as bad.
 
The core of a team should not be changed let alone captain but not surprised because as per justice cooke "Clowns work in PCB"
 
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