The rise of Buddhism in comparison to Hinduism

[CricketCartoons]

Do Buddhists and Sikhs believe in multiple Gods too like Hindus or are they monotheists?

There are sects in hindus which range from monotheism and the more evolved polytheism.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't know what the central tenets of Hinduism are, but I can assume that the great Indian warrior prince Asoka story would answer that question as he became a Buddhist, presumably being a Hindu prior to that. The logic is quite obvious, if Hinduism was all encompassing, then there would be no need for Buddhism or Sikhism. But I would certainly be prepared to hear any Buddhist or Sikh arguments which support your view.

Same how Islam considers Christians and Jews as people of the book and has co-opted their holy figures, but Christians and Jews don't agree with it. Doesn't mean a muslim will stop believing that they are people of the book and stop respecting Moses and Jesus.

 

[TM Riddle]

Buddhism reformed the corruption in Hinduism at the times. Buddha was never against caste, he was against it being hereditary, so Buddha supported the original caste system of the Vedic age.

You are right. Buddha never spoke against caste system or Varnashram as it was known at that time.

 

[TM Riddle]

Do Buddhists and Sikhs believe in multiple Gods too like Hindus or are they monotheists?

Not all hindu sects believe in polytheism. In fact some of them do not believe in the existence of God at all for instance Samkhya school of Hindu philosophy.

 

[TM Riddle]

Same how Islam considers Christians and Jews as people of the book and has co-opted their holy figures, but Christians and Jews don't agree with it. Doesn't mean a muslim will stop believing that they are people of the book and stop respecting Moses and Jesus.

Your analogy is wrong since Islam came after Judaism and Christianity. It's isn't the same wrt Hinduism and Buddhism.

 

[akki]

I don't know what the central tenets of Hinduism are, but I can assume that the great Indian warrior prince Asoka story would answer that question as he became a Buddhist, presumably being a Hindu prior to that. The logic is quite obvious, if Hinduism was all encompassing, then there would be no need for Buddhism or Sikhism. But I would certainly be prepared to hear any Buddhist or Sikh arguments which support your view.

If some people from different country try to start new religion with all core concepts being same all call it different religion . Will that person be able to do that?see that' the beauty of bhaarat since centuries. It allowed other beautiful indian dharmic religions to proper peacefully .People have seen liberals now what bhaarat has seen centuries ago. We all subcontinent people should be proud of our same great ancestors.
Regarding budhism we will never mind even all india start believing that one of the concepts of hinduism called budhism . Its just budha spreaded that part of hinduism more .i am very glad atleast you didnt go to insult and find mistakes in budhism and found it more logical. So you should really study more about budhism and should give it a try to it. We will teach you all meditation and other comcepts. Welcome brother to the path of truth.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Same how Islam considers Christians and Jews as people of the book and has co-opted their holy figures, but Christians and Jews don't agree with it. Doesn't mean a muslim will stop believing that they are people of the book and stop respecting Moses and Jesus.

That would be like Buddhism claiming Hinduism was always Buddhism, so maybe we just need a re-classification. India is and was always a Buddhist nation, and Hinduism was just a historical blip.

 

[OoparCut]

I don't know what the central tenets of Hinduism are, but I can assume that the great Indian warrior prince Asoka story would answer that question as he became a Buddhist, presumably being a Hindu prior to that. The logic is quite obvious, if Hinduism was all encompassing, then there would be no need for Buddhism or Sikhism. But I would certainly be prepared to hear any Buddhist or Sikh arguments which support your view.

There is a strong tradition in the Indian subcontinent, dating back millenia, to follow certain Gurus that lead you to the right path in your pursuit of religion and faith. You can even see this tradition outside of the Dharmic faiths - even orthodox muslims - across India AND Pakistan, often choose certain "Pirs" who guide them in their faith. Does this mean that they are not adherents to Islam anymore? If Imran Khan decides to follow the teachings of Pinki Pirni, does that mean he's not a muslim anymore? ;P

If a Hindu today, decides to give greater primacy to the teachings of a Ramdev Baba, or a Sadhguru, does that mean he isn't Hindu and now should be considered a follower of "sadhguru-ism"?

Buddha never claimed to be God, or found a religion. He simply taught. For a couple of hundred years, his teachings stayed effective and the Buddhist sangha managed to avoid the hagiographic worshipping of the enlightened one. It was later generations that saw the tradition of "Mahayana" Buddhism or the "greater vehicle", which saw the glorification of Gautam Buddha as a Godhead and his statues become increasingly grander. Smaller Human minds often tend to get caught up in competitive exhibitions of demonstrating that "their" faith is somehow bigger or better.


Now I'm not claiming that all Buddhists are Hindus - in the 21st century, Buddhism has evolved into a different faith. Multiple different faiths in fact - there would be as much difference between a practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism as opposed to Classical Buddhism, as there would be between a Hindu and Buddhist!

My point is that you shouldn't draw random-*** conclusions about the "rise" of xyz-isms and decline of abc-isms, without really knowing anything about either religion.

What I sense from this thread is an effort to deride Hinduism, using Buddhism as a crutch. When in fact, any glorification of Buddhism is an indirect validation of Hinduism itself!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If some people from different country try to start new religion with all core concepts being same all call it different religion . Will that person be able to do that?see that' the beauty of bhaarat since centuries. It allowed other beautiful indian dharmic religions to proper peacefully .People have seen liberals now what bhaarat has seen centuries ago. We all subcontinent people should be proud of our same great ancestors.
Regarding budhism we will never mind even all india start believing that one of the concepts of hinduism called budhism . Its just budha spreaded that part of hinduism more .i am very glad atleast you didnt go to insult and find mistakes in budhism and found it more logical. So you should really study more about budhism and should give it a try to it. We will teach you all meditation and other comcepts. Welcome brother to the path of truth.

I am not a subcontinental person, in truth I have been tainted by lifelong exposure to the west and Abrahamic faith and all their dastardly systems which have led to them building rotten nations which haven't prospered like eastern counterparts. But if you feel that east and west can meet and we westerners can learn how to build spiritual and logical cultures from you, then of course we as students should always be willing to learn.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is a strong tradition in the Indian subcontinent, dating back millenia, to follow certain Gurus that lead you to the right path in your pursuit of religion and faith. You can even see this tradition outside of the Dharmic faiths - even orthodox muslims - across India AND Pakistan, often choose certain "Pirs" who guide them in their faith. Does this mean that they are not adherents to Islam anymore? If Imran Khan decides to follow the teachings of Pinki Pirni, does that mean he's not a muslim anymore? ;P

If a Hindu today, decides to give greater primacy to the teachings of a Ramdev Baba, or a Sadhguru, does that mean he isn't Hindu and now should be considered a follower of "sadhguru-ism"?

Buddha never claimed to be God, or found a religion. He simply taught. For a couple of hundred years, his teachings stayed effective and the Buddhist sangha managed to avoid the hagiographic worshipping of the enlightened one. It was later generations that saw the tradition of "Mahayana" Buddhism or the "greater vehicle", which saw the glorification of Gautam Buddha as a Godhead and his statues become increasingly grander. Smaller Human minds often tend to get caught up in competitive exhibitions of demonstrating that "their" faith is somehow bigger or better.


Now I'm not claiming that all Buddhists are Hindus - in the 21st century, Buddhism has evolved into a different faith. Multiple different faiths in fact - there would be as much difference between a practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism as opposed to Classical Buddhism, as there would be between a Hindu and Buddhist!

My point is that you shouldn't draw random-*** conclusions about the "rise" of xyz-isms and decline of abc-isms, without really knowing anything about either religion.

What I sense from this thread is an effort to deride Hinduism, using Buddhism as a crutch. When in fact, any glorification of Buddhism is an indirect validation of Hinduism itself!

That's weird, you are sensing that I want to use Buddhism to deride Hinduism, I am sensing you want validation of the greatness of Hinduism. Isn't it strange how a subject can be seen differently depending on the perspective applied?

 

[OoparCut]

That's weird, you are sensing that I want to use Buddhism to deride Hinduism, I am sensing you want validation of the greatness of Hinduism. Isn't it strange how a subject can be seen differently depending on the perspective applied?

LOL. Why would I care or want any validation of any 'greatness'? It would be meaningless. Any religion's value is not in its perception, its in its utility to its followers to help them lead better and more meaingful lives.

You may claim a certain perspective, but your words do speak for themselves.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That would be like Buddhism claiming Hinduism was always Buddhism, so maybe we just need a re-classification. India is and was always a Buddhist nation, and Hinduism was just a historical blip.

The point is that followers of one religion need not change their views based on the views of other religions.

The difference you raise has no relevance on that point. Hinduism has always been accepting of the movements which transformed or reformed it, the abrahamic faiths have been absolutist and not accepting any new religion spawned from them.

This attitude comes from the origins of these religions. Deserts vs forests.

 

[akki]

I am not a subcontinental person, in truth I have been tainted by lifelong exposure to the west and Abrahamic faith and all their dastardly systems which have led to them building rotten nations which haven't prospered like eastern counterparts. But if you feel that east and west can meet and we westerners can learn how to build spiritual and logical cultures from you, then of course we as students should always be willing to learn.

You should search about aghori,they have very few population ,not much, even they consider themselves hindus and they have very different way of concept to reach god. Whole world will even us other hindus find it illogical and cannot even think to choose that path to seek truth.but it doesnt mean we will say they cannot reach to god. And we dnt interfare . Its really in our DNA to not interfare in anything unless it bothers you or it causes harm to someone.. Some people take it as hindus are weak so they dnt speak.
Anyway you found budhism more logical and its way much easier to understand as well so congrates and yeah its awesome religion budhism. Any one should give it a try....western people already know lot about budhism as you said so its a big plus plus point. Good days about to come.

 

[akki]

I am not a subcontinental person, in truth I have been tainted by lifelong exposure to the west and Abrahamic faith and all their dastardly systems which have led to them building rotten nations which haven't prospered like eastern counterparts. But if you feel that east and west can meet and we westerners can learn how to build spiritual and logical cultures from you, then of course we as students should always be willing to learn.

You should search about aghori,they have very few population ,not much, even they consider themselves hindus and they have very different way of concept to reach god. Whole world will even us other hindus find it illogical and cannot even think to choose that path to seek truth.but it doesnt mean we will say they cannot reach to god. And we dnt interfare . Its really in our DNA to not interfare in anything unless it bothers you or it causes harm to someone.. Some people take it as hindus are weak so they dnt speak.
Anyway you found budhism more logical and its way much easier to understand as well so congrates and yeah its awesome religion budhism. Any one should give it a try....western people already know lot about budhism as you said so its a big plus plus point. Good days about to come.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Your analogy is wrong since Islam came after Judaism and Christianity. It's isn't the same wrt Hinduism and Buddhism.

That was not my point. And that is why Hinduism is beautiful that it is always accepting of philosophers who brought in new idea and even spawned new religions. If the Abrahamic faiths had this attitude the world wouldn't be in this mess. Imagine Christians loving prophet Muhammad.

 

[Madplayer]

That was not my point. And that is why Hinduism is beautiful that it is always accepting of philosophers who brought in new idea and even spawned new religions. If the Abrahamic faiths had this attitude the world wouldn't be in this mess. Imagine Christians loving prophet Muhammad.

Islam loves the prophets which Christians revere. So our side is clear.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Islam loves the prophets which Christians revere. So our side is clear.

Islam doesn't love the holy figures who came later, like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It only co-opts the holy figures of the past. So this attitude is common to both Christianity and Islam.

 

[akki]

Islam doesn't love the holy figures who came later, like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It only co-opts the holy figures of the past. So this attitude is common to both Christianity and Islam.

Dnt change the direction of thread. It will change into islam versus hinduism one later on. Let it be as it is

 

[Madplayer]

Islam doesn't love the holy figures who came later, like Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It only co-opts the holy figures of the past. So this attitude is common to both Christianity and Islam.

Yes thats true. We believe that the final prophet was Prophet Muhammad. Muslims can appreciate philosophers in that capacity but obviously being a mixture of flexibility and Rigidity, Islam puts certain restrictions as well in terms of Aqeeda (belief). Being too vague can be dangerous and confusing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes thats true. We believe that the final prophet was Prophet Muhammad. Muslims can appreciate philosophers in that capacity but obviously being a mixture of flexibility and Rigidity, Islam puts certain restrictions as well in terms of Aqeeda (belief). Being too vague can be dangerous and confusing.

I think world would have less conflicts if there was less religious narcissism. But I am only talking about dunya, not akhirah.

 

[Robert]

Which form of Buddhism ?

Mahayana I guess, if pushed. I like the idea of the Bodhisattva who delays his Enlightenment to help others.

But Westen Buddhism is more philisophy than religion.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Without wanting to offend anyone, I have to confess this thread is very interesting. Having studied religions I found the information in this thread only confirms the conclusion I arrived at, that is, Hinduism to be the most inconsistent religion I have come across. Meaning, there is no cornerstone or sense of direction, and the faith just evolves year after year.

Does Hinduism incorporate Monotheism, Polytheism, or both? Does Hinduism promote the worship of Idols, or do the idols represent avatars? Is the caste system integral to Hinduism or not? Are visits to the temple mandatory, or arbitrary? Is a Cow considered holy, or not?

In my experience if I ask 10 Hindus what their faith represents, then I get 10 different answers.

It very much reminds me of Darwinism, in that, the theory just keeps on evolving, through falsification.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Not all hindu sects believe in polytheism. In fact some of them do not believe in the existence of God at all for instance Samkhya school of Hindu philosophy.

Interesting. I doubt a lot of Hindus even know this.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Without wanting to offend anyone, I have to confess this thread is very interesting. Having studied religions I found the information in this thread only confirms the conclusion I arrived at, that is, Hinduism to be the most inconsistent religion I have come across. Meaning, there is no cornerstone or sense of direction, and the faith just evolves year after year.

Does Hinduism incorporate Monotheism, Polytheism, or both? Does Hinduism promote the worship of Idols, or do the idols represent avatars? Is the caste system integral to Hinduism or not? Are visits to the temple mandatory, or arbitrary? Is a Cow considered holy, or not?

In my experience if I ask 10 Hindus what their faith represents, then I get 10 different answers.

It very much reminds me of Darwinism, in that, the theory just keeps on evolving, through falsification.

You are right in the sense that there are so many paths and interpretations which are inconsistent with each other, but consistent within the path chosen. The idea is Ekam satya vipra bahudha vadanti... one truth, many interpretations. A Muslim is essentially a hindu who calls the truth Allah. Everyone in this world is a hindu.

 

[TM Riddle]

Interesting. I doubt a lot of Hindus even know this.

Probably 99.9 percent have no idea.

 

[TM Riddle]

Darwinism a falsification )
Mullahs never ceases to amaze me. No wonder nobody takes them seriously since they are still stuck in 6th century.

 

[akki]

Without wanting to offend anyone, I have to confess this thread is very interesting. Having studied religions I found the information in this thread only confirms the conclusion I arrived at, that is, Hinduism to be the most inconsistent religion I have come across. Meaning, there is no cornerstone or sense of direction, and the faith just evolves year after year.

Does Hinduism incorporate Monotheism, Polytheism, or both? Does Hinduism promote the worship of Idols, or do the idols represent avatars? Is the caste system integral to Hinduism or not? Are visits to the temple mandatory, or arbitrary? Is a Cow considered holy, or not?

In my experience if I ask 10 Hindus what their faith represents, then I get 10 different answers.

It very much reminds me of Darwinism, in that, the theory just keeps on evolving, through falsification.

Dude idol worshiping is just an easy way to focus on something which you want to pay your respect and devote ypur prayers. If you can do that without idols then that's also awesome.
Plus caste is only based on occupation like one who fights or warriors aee called kshatriyas or one who have all the knowledge of vedas are called brahmins. But as hinduism is around oldest way of living or religion in the world ,there are some misvonceptions. Plus sati was never meant to be which you know. It was started by women whose husbands would die in battle during invasions and to protect her honor she used to burn herslef. Later it started other times as well and thankfully it stopped.
And accoeding to some vedas also says that god is one and god has no form and hindus mostly believe the avtaars of gods or let me put it simple for you to understand semi gods.
Forget cows there are other animals sacred as well . It wont be easy to explain. Forget temple even if dnt believe any god you still can be hindu ....there are many ways according to hinduism one can attain moksha and nirvana of budhism is just of of that. So different hindus have choosen different paths to reach the goal.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Science is based on falsification. In order for a theory to be scientific, it must be falsifiable. This is a fact and a principle of science.

Intelligent folks who have understanding of science will agree. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION].

 

[R3verse Swing]

Dude idol worshiping is just an easy way to focus on something which you want to pay your respect and devote ypur prayers. If you can do that without idols then that's also awesome.
Plus caste is only based on occupation like one who fights or warriors aee called kshatriyas or one who have all the knowledge of vedas are called brahmins. But as hinduism is around oldest way of living or religion in the world ,there are some misvonceptions. Plus sati was never meant to be which you know. It was started by women whose husbands would die in battle during invasions and to protect her honor she used to burn herslef. Later it started other times as well and thankfully it stopped.
And accoeding to some vedas also says that god is one and god has no form and hindus mostly believe the avtaars of gods or let me put it simple for you to understand semi gods.
Forget cows there are other animals sacred as well . It wont be easy to explain. Forget temple even if dnt believe any god you still can be hindu ....there are many ways according to hinduism one can attain moksha and nirvana of budhism is just of of that. So different hindus have choosen different paths to reach the goal.

I respect your view, but just saying there is no linear progression of Hinduism from what I have read. Hinduism very much branches out in a many directions which is why it is difficult to comprehend.

But thanks for the information.

 

[akki]

And Hinduism has no clear path or destination? If the morons have bothered to read my earlier posts then they would have known that max Hindus follow the Mimansa school of philosophy which has clear set of defined rules.But I can understand since it goes against their agenda of ridiculing Hinduism to establish the supremacy of Islam , the one true religion. LMAO

You have summed it up perfectly everything in your earlier posts. They wont get it. Atleast they like budhism that's a very plus point loll....

 

[TM Riddle]

Mahayana I guess, if pushed. I like the idea of the Bodhisattva who delays his Enlightenment to help others.

But Westen Buddhism is more philisophy than religion.

Interestingly Siddhartha didn't talk about Bodhisattvas or even God for that matter.
These developments started to begin a few centuries after his death and culminated in Buddhism getting split into Hinyana and Mahayana in the fourth Buddhist council held in Kashmir.

Mahayana Buddhists started to worship idols Buddha himself even though he never intended it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This post reeks of insecurity.

If one questions Hinduism or one is trying to understand what Hinduism represents, there there is an agenda. Even though other Hindus disagree with the above.

Thankfully such posts are not flag bearers of Hinduism.

Phew!

Hinduism is too vast and deep to understand. If you can understand Islam, you would have understood one path of Hinduism. You can be a good Hindu by being a good Muslim. Ekam satya vipra bahudha vadanti.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Darwinism a falsification )
Mullahs never ceases to amaze me. No wonder nobody takes them seriously since they are still stuck in 6th century.

Perhaps you can answer some questions as you seem to be parading as some sort of pandit on here?

In Hinduism , where did humans, the planet, the universe come from?

& What is the purpose of existence?

 

[TM Riddle]

Perhaps you can answer some questions as you seem to be parading as some sort of pandit on here?

In Hinduism , where did humans, the planet, the universe come from?

& What is the purpose of existence?

If Captain or someone genuinely interested asks , then yeah sure.
You , I will pass.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Captain or someone genuinely interested asks , then yeah sure.
You , I will pass.

I am interested in your views but if you dont have the answers , no problem.

Hinduism makes no sense to me, as stated earlier every other Hindu has a different answer to the same questions.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Hinduism makes no sense to me, as stated earlier every other Hindu has a different answer to the same questions.

I concur.

 

[troodon]

I am interested in your views but if you dont have the answers , no problem.

Hinduism makes no sense to me, as stated earlier every other Hindu has a different answer to the same questions.

Its because Hinduism is not a religion. Its a culture that is passed down from thousands of years. We have no set of manuals or scriptures that you can call the Go to books. Different people follow different Gods, different scriptures and different practices. We do not have a central governing body that dictates how Dharma needs to be followed.

Today you can start your own version of Sanatana Dharma where you worship only Goddess Laxmi or Saraswati or some unknown Demi God. It will still be incorporated into Sanatana Dharma. Nobody will be killed or any Fatwa will be issued for doing so.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You are right in the sense that there are so many paths and interpretations which are inconsistent with each other, but consistent within the path chosen. The idea is Ekam satya vipra bahudha vadanti... one truth, many interpretations. A Muslim is essentially a hindu who calls the truth Allah. Everyone in this world is a hindu.

This reminds me of the Goodness Gracious Me, Mr India sketches, one of which is very topical:

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its because Hinduism is not a religion. Its a culture that is passed down from thousands of years. We have no set of manuals or scriptures that you can call the Go to books. Different people follow different Gods, different scriptures and different practices. We do not have a central governing body that dictates how Dharma needs to be followed.

Today you can start your own version of Sanatana Dharma where you worship only Goddess Laxmi or Saraswati or some unknown Demi God. It will still be incorporated into Sanatana Dharma. Nobody will be killed or any Fatwa will be issued for doing so.

So what is the point of following this 'culture'? People spend many precious hours in rituals, give away their hard earned money. For what?

 

[troodon]

This reminds me of the Goodness Gracious Me, Mr India sketches, one of which is very topical:

My way or Highway attitude is the main reason for all the conflicts of the world.

Hindus can live in peace accepting that Allah is a different name for God in Hinduism and respect Allah.
I doubt a Muslim can say and do the same. Hence the conflict.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Its because Hinduism is not a religion. Its a culture that is passed down from thousands of years. We have no set of manuals or scriptures that you can call the Go to books. Different people follow different Gods, different scriptures and different practices. We do not have a central governing body that dictates how Dharma needs to be followed.

Today you can start your own version of Sanatana Dharma where you worship only Goddess Laxmi or Saraswati or some unknown Demi God. It will still be incorporated into Sanatana Dharma. Nobody will be killed or any Fatwa will be issued for doing so.

Hinduism is not a religion but a culture? So where Hinduism is defined as a religion it is incorrect? This is precisely what I mean. There is no consistency in Hinduism.

Then again, you learn something new everyday!

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

My way or Highway attitude is the main reason for all the conflicts of the world.

Hindus can live in peace accepting that Allah is a different name for God in Hinduism and respect Allah.
I doubt a Muslim can say and do the same. Hence the conflict.

This is where you are wrong, and don't understand religion to the same depth as CricketCartoons, the true Hindu exemplar on this thread. Hinduism accepts all paths which lead to God, and that in itself means they will accept those that don't accept it, including radical Muslims of the type you speak of.

 

[troodon]

So what is the point of following this 'culture'? People spend many precious hours in rituals, give away their hard earned money. For what?

Different strokes for different folks.

Some cannot meditate looking into the empty space. They can use idols to pray and meditate upon.

Some can simply look up in the sky, pray and meditate. You do not need idols to pray.

People do rituals because it gives them peace. Doing rituals is not a must to be a Hindu. You can basically do not believe in any rituals and still be a Hindu by meditating on the supreme God.

If you are not comfrtable with the idea of God or Creator, you can be an Athiest and still be a Hindu. Just participate in the culture and enjoy the celebrations. Nobody will be offended if you say you are a Hindu and do not believe in God.

 

[troodon]

This is where you are wrong, and don't understand religion to the same depth as CricketCartoons, the true Hindu exemplar on this thread. Hinduism accepts all paths which lead to God, and that in itself means they will accept those that don't accept it, including radical Muslims of the type you speak of.

Which is what I said exactly. Hindus can accept that Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Gods. Can a Muslim do the same?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Which is what I said exactly. Hindus can accept that Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Gods. Can a Muslim do the same?

A good muslim is a good hindu. He doesn't have to accept all names. As long as he is a servant of Allah, that is good enough. May everyone reach the Supreme Almighty, from whatever path that makes sense to them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Which is what I said exactly. Hindus can accept that Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Gods. Can a Muslim do the same?

Muslims believe that everyone and everything comes from God and returns to God. I believe there is an ayat in the Quran which goes along the lines of "unto you your religion, unto me mine", an instruction given to the prophet PBUH, to the idol worshippers.

I don't see any conflict here.

 

[R3verse Swing]

There is not a hope in hell Hindus can accept that Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Gods, otherwise Cow vigilantes in India would cease to exist.

To the Atheists. Abrahamic faiths (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) consider a Cow a sacrifice, where as in Hinduism a cow is revered as a God, and is protected by the Indian constitution.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is not a hope in hell Hindus can accept that Jesus, Buddha, Allah as Gods, otherwise Cow vigilantes in India would cease to exist.

To the Atheists. Abrahamic faiths (Jews, Christians, and Muslims) consider a Cow a sacrifice, where as in Hinduism a cow is revered as a God, and is protected by the Indian constitution.

You cant judge all hindus by cow vigilantes..they are not true hindus just like isis are not true muslims. as a hindu I have no problem accepting Allah as name of God.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Different strokes for different folks.

Some cannot meditate looking into the empty space. They can use idols to pray and meditate upon.

Some can simply look up in the sky, pray and meditate. You do not need idols to pray.

People do rituals because it gives them peace. Doing rituals is not a must to be a Hindu. You can basically do not believe in any rituals and still be a Hindu by meditating on the supreme God.

Ok thanks. I guess you there are many ways to find peace, including spleeping, running, seeing family etc.

If you are not comfrtable with the idea of God or Creator, you can be an Athiest and still be a Hindu. Just participate in the culture and enjoy the celebrations. Nobody will be offended if you say you are a Hindu and do not believe in God.

Why would an atheist get involved in any rituals?

 

[R3verse Swing]

One can be Atheist and still be a Hindu?

This is an oxymoron and irony within itself!

 

[troodon]

Ok thanks. I guess you there are many ways to find peace, including spleeping, running, seeing family etc.



Why would an atheist get involved in any rituals?

I do not get involved with the practices. I celebrate Diwali and other festivals and be part of it. Now that I have kids, I do attend temples with my family as a form of social gathering. Yet I am still a Hindu. An agnostic one.

 

[R3verse Swing]

This reminds me of the Goodness Gracious Me, Mr India sketches, one of which is very topical:

Brilliant.

Quality.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do not get involved with the practices. I celebrate Diwali and other festivals and be part of it. Now that I have kids, I do attend temples with my family as a form of social gathering. Yet I am still a Hindu. An agnostic one.

So you only go to the temple for the food?

If you happen to be at the temple with a plate of rice and someone asks you to revere a 'God' or say a join in prayer to a 'God', how do you respond? Do you join in or hold to your values of being an agnostic and tell the person you dont believe in this 'God'?

 

[KingKhanWC]

One can be Atheist and still be a Hindu?

This is an oxymoron and irony within itself!

It's like opening pandora's box, I wish I didn't now. I wonder if you could be satanist and be a Hindu too?

 

[troodon]

So you only go to the temple for the food?

If you happen to be at the temple with a plate of rice and someone asks you to revere a 'God' or say a join in prayer to a 'God', how do you respond? Do you join in or hold to your values of being an agnostic and tell the person you dont believe in this 'God'?

I pray and I repeat and copy what they say.

I don’t go there just for food. There are lots of cultural activities like dramas, dances etc. especially during navratri.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I pray and I repeat and copy what they say.

I don’t go there just for food. There are lots of cultural activities like dramas, dances etc. especially during navratri.

Is this out of respect? If you dont accept their deity or Gods why waste your time praying to something you dont believe exists? It's no different to talking to yourself or a brick wall?

The temple does sound fun so I can understand why you would go.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

One can be Atheist and still be a Hindu?

This is an oxymoron and irony within itself!

Not at all. If you have been reading the replies to this thread, many Hindus have explained that Hinduism is ever evolving and all embracing, each 'differing philosophy' is accepted and adopted as appropriate to the age, so by definition Hindu religion must accept Abrahamic faiths including Islam in all it's forms as well.

 

[akki]

One can be Atheist and still be a Hindu?

This is an oxymoron and irony within itself!

Which way you find more logical im hinduism ? You find budhism more logical . Give it a try to that. That's okk then? Why asking other silly questions again and again and again...give that thing a try which seems logical...like budhism or jainism or sikhism.Forget hinduism ,happy now?

 

[akki]

Not at all. If you have been reading the replies to this thread, many Hindus have explained that Hinduism is ever evolving and all embracing, each 'differing philosophy' is accepted and adopted as appropriate to the age, so by definition Hindu religion must accept Abrahamic faiths including Islam in all it's forms as well.

Why asking same quesyions again and again and again. You find budhism more logical na out of all. So go and give it a try. What bothers you now ?if you do bad deeds you cannot be good hindu its not difficult to understand. Why asking silly questions.
Anyway you found budhism more logical.so just leave everything else. Questions can be asked about otger religions as well which we never ask and it wud be impossible to find answers to that. So let it be as it is.

 

[JaDed]

Lol@ posters bothering to answer Brit-Pakistanis about Hinduism

 

[yasir]

Different strokes for different folks.

Some cannot meditate looking into the empty space. They can use idols to pray and meditate upon.

Some can simply look up in the sky, pray and meditate. You do not need idols to pray.

People do rituals because it gives them peace. Doing rituals is not a must to be a Hindu. You can basically do not believe in any rituals and still be a Hindu by meditating on the supreme God.

If you are not comfrtable with the idea of God or Creator, you can be an Athiest and still be a Hindu. Just participate in the culture and enjoy the celebrations. Nobody will be offended if you say you are a Hindu and do not believe in God.

I don't get how people are getting piece by following a religion (aka Culture, although they used to call it Dharam for as long as we recall), that is defining themselves as untouchable, completely worthless and that to by birth, without any fault of there own? Those are not few worthless people, but more than half the population are out casted

I never understood why untouchable would want to be Hindu or Why women follow Islam (specially the educated ones in this day and age). A Philosophy look down upon you for no rational reason, why you will respect or cater such ideas

One thing I don't get about Hindus, they define it by million different ways but follow it like religion and the educated ones, who buy their houses, make important decisions by "Vasus Kay Hasab Say", no matter how educated they get, are superstitious like 2000 year old guys, yet try to distance their religion from Cast System and all the baggage of Hinduism. That has nothing to do with religion, give me a break. Cast System is heart and sole of Hinduism, show some intellectual honest, you cannot change your future if you are not willing to study your history honestly. Now this "Atheist Hindus" is Oxymoron, what is the point of being Atheist, if you are going to follow all the Crap of Hinduism. You are just a Closet Hindu. Most of the times I get irritated by the Bollywood secularism, its like everybody should accept a form of Hindu culture, just add whatever God or No God you like, this is not secularism

 

[Madplayer]

Lol@ posters bothering to answer Brit-Pakistanis about Hinduism

Its a shame that this thread has turned into Hinduism vs Islam thread while the topic was completely different.

 

[akki]

I don't get how people are getting piece by following a religion (aka Culture, although they used to call it Dharam for as long as we recall), that is defining themselves as untouchable, completely worthless and that to by birth, without any fault of there own? Those are not few worthless people, but more than half the population are out casted

I never understood why untouchable would want to be Hindu or Why women follow Islam (specially the educated ones in this day and age). A Philosophy look down upon you for no rational reason, why you will respect or cater such ideas

One thing I don't get about Hindus, they define it by million different ways but follow it like religion and the educated ones, who buy their houses, make important decisions by "Vasus Kay Hasab Say", no matter how educated they get, are superstitious like 2000 year old guys, yet try to distance their religion from Cast System and all the baggage of Hinduism. That has nothing to do with religion, give me a break. Cast System is heart and sole of Hinduism, show some intellectual honest, you cannot change your future if you are not willing to study your history honestly. Now this "Atheist Hindus" is Oxymoron, what is the point of being Atheist, if you are going to follow all the Crap of Hinduism. You are just a Closet Hindu. Most of the times I get irritated by the Bollywood secularism, its like everybody should accept a form of Hindu culture, just add whatever God or No God you like, this is not secularism

Who said caste system doesnot exist ?? Though our constitution doesnt allow it and infact gives extra rights to those underprivaliged castes ,still caste system exists. Caste system is not meant to discriminate but it does in ground reality.i am not going to give reasons for that.
But the point is if you find budhism form of worship reality then thqt's awsome. As it is another indian dharmic religion or philosphy.

 

[Varun]

I think the premise of the thread is faulty in the first place.

There is no "rise" in Buddhism or "rise" or "fall" in Hinduism. Both are fairly ambivalent with their temples and monasteries going about their day as per usual.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Its a shame that this thread has turned into Hinduism vs Islam thread while the topic was completely different.

Yes, sad because there is no VS in Hinduism and Islam. Islam is simplified Vaishnavism..it means submission to God. Same as Bhakti.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Which way you find more logical im hinduism ? You find budhism more logical . Give it a try to that. That's okk then? Why asking other silly questions again and again and again...give that thing a try which seems logical...like budhism or jainism or sikhism.Forget hinduism ,happy now?

Atheist do not believe there is a God.

Hinduism is a monotheistic/polytheistic faith with Idols/avatars.

I'm trying to understand what Hinduism is. It's not a silly question just because you can't answer it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Atheist do not believe there is a God.

Hinduism is a monotheistic/polytheistic faith with Idols/avatars.

I'm trying to understand what Hinduism is. It's not a silly question just because you can't answer it.

Just because you do not believe in God doesn't mean God abandons you. Your body may be atheist, but the soul belongs to Supreme (Krsna/Vishnu/Allah any name you prefer). If you want to understand Hinduism, you should start with Islam first, then you would have understood one chapter.

 

[akki]

Atheist do not believe there is a God.

Hinduism is a monotheistic/polytheistic faith with Idols/avatars.

I'm trying to understand what Hinduism is. It's not a silly question just because you can't answer it.

Its okk na we also dnt find many things logical in islam ...and we are definately not going to hell by believeing that thing . And you are also not going to hell as hinduism never claims as those who dnt follow it will go to hell . So what is bothering you ???
You guys said budhism is more logical and we agree with that afterall its our religion ,why would we not agree with that thing. So relax and start exploring budhism and yes atheists can be the best hindus as well ,they just have to do their duties honestly even if they dnt believe in god they will reach to god.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Its okk na we also dnt find many things logical in islam ...and we are definately not going to hell by believeing that thing . And you are also not going to hell as hinduism never claims as those who dnt follow it will go to hell . So what is bothering you ???
You guys said budhism is more logical and we agree with that afterall its our religion ,why would we not agree with that thing. So relax and start exploring budhism and yes atheists can be the best hindus as well ,they just have to do their duties honestly even if they dnt believe in god they will reach to god.

If you dont understand Islam, that is your limitation. I urge you to revisit the teachings of Hinduism and learn to respect all paths which were revealed by People sent by God in the form of His avatars, son or messengers.

 

[akki]

If you dont understand Islam, that is your limitation. I urge you to revisit the teachings of Hinduism and learn to respect all paths which were revealed by People sent by God in the form of His avatars, son or messengers.

Oh bhai i understand hinduism ,ylu are just making them more confused. You are teaching them intergration and differentiation whereas they dnt even know basic numerics counting, unless they are doing it with agenda or purposefully.
Where i said i dnt respect islam ?? I said many things within that path i dnt find logical so i am following another path .

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oh bhai i understand hinduism ,ylu are just making them more confused. You are teaching them intergration and differentiation whereas they dnt even know basic numerics counting, unless they are doing it with agenda or purposefully.
Where i said i dnt respect islam ?? I said many things within that path i dnt find logical so i am following another path .

Prophet Muhammad has said to talk to people based on their intellectual capacity. As a person of God, he knew everything, but talked to people in a way they could understand based on their capability. Since the people at that time were in jahiliyah, he revealed a simplified version of the Truth to them.

 

[akki]

Prophet Muhammad has said to talk to people based on their intellectual capacity. As a person of God, he knew everything, but talked to people in a way they could understand based on their capability. Since the people at that time were in jahiliyah, he revealed a simplified version of the Truth to them.

Interesting to know i just followed prophet mohammad . Anyway will talk to you tomorrow when some other cricket cartoon with some different things in mind will come up.

 

[JaDed]

I don't get how people are getting piece by following a religion (aka Culture, although they used to call it Dharam for as long as we recall), that is defining themselves as untouchable, completely worthless and that to by birth, without any fault of there own? Those are not few worthless people, but more than half the population are out casted

I never understood why untouchable would want to be Hindu or Why women follow Islam (specially the educated ones in this day and age). A Philosophy look down upon you for no rational reason, why you will respect or cater such ideas

One thing I don't get about Hindus, they define it by million different ways but follow it like religion and the educated ones, who buy their houses, make important decisions by "Vasus Kay Hasab Say", no matter how educated they get, are superstitious like 2000 year old guys, yet try to distance their religion from Cast System and all the baggage of Hinduism. That has nothing to do with religion, give me a break. Cast System is heart and sole of Hinduism, show some intellectual honest, you cannot change your future if you are not willing to study your history honestly. Now this "Atheist Hindus" is Oxymoron, what is the point of being Atheist, if you are going to follow all the Crap of Hinduism. You are just a Closet Hindu. Most of the times I get irritated by the Bollywood secularism, its like everybody should accept a form of Hindu culture, just add whatever God or No God you like, this is not secularism

Well said, thing is with no defined rules of Hinduism one follows what they want,on a larger scale one never wants to leave the tag of a Hindu ,but doesn't believe in worshiping Idols,its probably a case of keeping one leg in both sides.

But your point is valid because you want them to pick sides and they are happy not picking one.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well said, thing is with no defined rules of Hinduism one follows what they want,on a larger scale one never wants to leave the tag of a Hindu ,but doesn't believe in worshiping Idols,its probably a case of keeping one leg in both sides.

But your point is valid because you want them to pick sides and they are happy not picking one.

The mode of worship doesnt define a hindu. Idol worship is one mode, and is not superior or inferior to other modes. When loved ones die, people keep their pics framed and hung on the wall, as a medium to connect with the loved ones memories and keep them part of their daily life..same with idols, which help to concentrate and connect with the Supreme Almighty, who is present in every atom..every vacuum.

 

[JaDed]

The mode of worship doesnt define a hindu. Idol worship is one mode, and is not superior or inferior to other modes. When loved ones die, people keep their pics framed and hung on the wall, as a medium to connect with the loved ones memories and keep them part of their daily life..same with idols, which help to concentrate and connect with the Supreme Almighty, who is present in every atom..every vacuum.

Yes ..but being atheist is not really being a Hindu just my observation. Imo not being monotheist gives one more freedom,but that's just imo clearly everyone else has a chip on their shoulder where they think being montheist>polytheist.

Also I have faith in my religion but don't necessary believe in it practically or any other for that matter so I don't have to prove anything to anyone or explain its superiority or it "making sense"

 

[R3verse Swing]

Its okk na we also dnt find many things logical in islam ...and we are definately not going to hell by believeing that thing . And you are also not going to hell as hinduism never claims as those who dnt follow it will go to hell . So what is bothering you ???
You guys said budhism is more logical and we agree with that afterall its our religion ,why would we not agree with that thing. So relax and start exploring budhism and yes atheists can be the best hindus as well ,they just have to do their duties honestly even if they dnt believe in god they will reach to god.

I never said Budhism is more logical.

Thanks for trying though.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes ..but being atheist is not really being a Hindu just my observation. Imo not being monotheist gives one more freedom,but that's just imo clearly everyone else has a chip on their shoulder where they think being montheist>polytheist.

Also I have faith in my religion but don't necessary believe in it practically or any other for that matter so I don't have to prove anything to anyone or explain its superiority or it "making sense"

Let me give you an example in the Islamic context. If I am an atheist, do I escape the judgement day, does Allah not watch my actions and doesn't extend His mercies on me? Atheist is just a label one gives to oneself, but we all are children of the Supreme Almighty. The point of Atheist Hindu is that you can be naastik, but Krsna will not abandon you just because you have, and the gates of heaven are still open to you based on your karma.

 

[JaDed]

Let me give you an example in the Islamic context. If I am an atheist, do I escape the judgement day, does Allah not watch my actions and doesn't extend His mercies on me? Atheist is just a label one gives to oneself, but we all are children of the Supreme Almighty. The point of Atheist Hindu is that you can be naastik, but Krsna will not abandon you just because you have, and the gates of heaven are still open to you based on your karma.

Got it, makes sense in a religious text way.

 

[Robert]

Science is based on falsification. In order for a theory to be scientific, it must be falsifiable. This is a fact and a principle of science.

Intelligent folks who have understanding of science will agree. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION].

I was taught that science was based on observation, then hypothesis, then testing the hypothesis. If the hypothesis survives the test it become theory.

Then other scientists peer-review the theory which refines it.

If at some point contra-indicating evidence is uncovered, that gets peer-reviewed too and the theory may get junked and a new theory developed to fit the developing body of evidence.

For example, Lamarckian Evolution giving way to Darwinism, or the Phlogiston Theory giving way to the discovery of oxygen.

 

[Madplayer]

Yes, sad because there is no VS in Hinduism and Islam. Islam is simplified Vaishnavism..it means submission to God. Same as Bhakti.

Okay great. So there is no hindu or muslim in India. Everybody is a hindu. So the muslims of India, who in fact are hindus (Vaishnavites) as per you, should be treated as such by the government. The hindus, who call themselves hindus, should not have any problem with it. Any vaishnavite hindu politician is a muslim and any muslim politican is a vaishnavite hindu who is ruling over the people who identify themselves as hindus. So hindus should not have any problem with it. Pakistan was demanded by hindus too and hindus are demanding freedom of Kashmir. So no Hindu should have a problem with it because its their own hindu brothers who are making these demands.