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sensible-indian-fan said:
Why do you feel he will be the best pure WK in the world?

Confidence?
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He takes some great catches already and has pulled off some really good stumpings. It is obvious that he has a lot of raw potential and the only thing he needs is experience. He is already supremely confident and the missed chances are not going to faze him.

What he needs is more experience of keeping in Test cricket in Indian conditions. His keeping on bouncy tracks is already decent, and the series in England will help his keeping as well. Not selecting him for the home series vs South Africa in 2019 was a blunder by the selectors and management.

Thankfully that boring coward Saha will never play a Test over him again.
 
"Rishabh Pant is doing the job for us, he is more than ready to fill the void of MS Dhoni".
-Rohit Sharma
 
Another point about Rishabh Pant that stands out is that he is a big match player, he was awful throughout the IPL last season but came into his own in the IPL finals. At 20-3, he and Shreyas took team to a good total against a very high quality bowling attack.

For LOI cricket, I actually won't mind India going with the duo of Shreyas Iyer and Rishabh Pant. Both compliments well each other and while Iyer is a more consistent dependable type batsman, Pant is a genuine match winner.

SkY and Kishan are brilliant as well together but I would personally go with the duo of Iyer and Pant in our middle order for LOIs.
 
Mamoon said:
He takes some great catches already and has pulled off some really good stumpings. It is obvious that he has a lot of raw potential and the only thing he needs is experience. He is already supremely confident and the missed chances are not going to faze him.

What he needs is more experience of keeping in Test cricket in Indian conditions. His keeping on bouncy tracks is already decent, and the series in England will help his keeping as well. Not selecting him for the home series vs South Africa in 2019 was a blunder by the selectors and management.

Thankfully that boring coward Saha will never play a Test over him again.
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Hmmm...whilst yu might be ok on the first two paras of your post, whatever have yu seen that makes u call saha a coward? he's manfully taken some hits whilst batting, pulled off some fab catches as well. Off course, this is all overlooked in the glitz of Rishabh's batting, but to diss off someone like Saha as a coward is a tad disrespectful and uncalled for....he might be boring for some...but he's walked thru fire and thru walls to get where he is...and lets admire that for what it is... (am not his ****** or bro or something like that,but just caling a spade whatit is) ....show some respect m8....where its due...:fz
 
Mamoon said:
He takes some great catches already and has pulled off some really good stumpings. It is obvious that he has a lot of raw potential and the only thing he needs is experience. He is already supremely confident and the missed chances are not going to faze him.

What he needs is more experience of keeping in Test cricket in Indian conditions. His keeping on bouncy tracks is already decent, and the series in England will help his keeping as well. Not selecting him for the home series vs South Africa in 2019 was a blunder by the selectors and management.

Thankfully that boring coward Saha will never play a Test over him again.
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Hmm.
This is too harsh.
 
 
Takes courage to play an innings like he did today. Not many players can do it.

Exceptional innings and a player who can single-handedly change the course of a match.

Cricket needs more such players.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
When I talk about blaming Pandya and Pant, I only talk about that semi final match where these two were promoted up the order by the team management and both of them failed. Everyone knew Dhoni in that match wasn't the Dhoni of 2005. It was upto team management to decide his batting order. Had they sent him above Pant or Pandya the result would have been different but they invested in the big hitting batsman who flopped badly in that match. And they were my villains for that loss.
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They were your "villains" because you have a bias against them. Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Karthik all got out for single-digit scores yet the "real villains" are those who scored 30-odd trying to consolidate after a bad start. :inti
 
Dhoni should have batted higher in that game. Before the start of 2019 WC, we were told, " If suppose India are chasing 230-240 and we are 3 down for 25, who will save us? Ofcourse, MSD. Hence, Dhoni must play as none can soak pressure better than him."


And here we were into 2019 semi final at 25-4 chasing 240 and Indian team management sends a naturally attacking batsman like Pandya ahead of the pressure soaker, Dhoni only to make a fool out of themselves.

At 25-4, if you have Maxwell and Bevan in your team, you would send Bevan to soak in the pressure and then Maxwell to come later.

At 25-4, If you have Faf and Miller in your team, you send Faf to soak in the pressure and leave Miller for final 15 overs hitting.

At 25-4, if you have Stokes and Buttler in your team, you send Stokes to soak in the pressure and leave Buttler for final 15 overs hitting.

And same should have been done with Dhoni and Pandya both in the team. If there was one thing Dhoni was good at that age was in rescuing the team from those situations, he would have taken some balls but I would rather had Dhoni scoring 30 odd of 60 balls at 25-4 rather than him doing the same after coming to bat when reqd. rate was already 6.0.

It was one of the most hilarious decision made at such a situation. We had no business losing that match when our no.8 batsman, Jadeja played his greatest ever ODI knock of 79(58).
 
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Pant vs Anderson :srt

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That nod of approval from Ben Stokes says it all - even if Pant is in the opposition camp - you cannot but marvel at his audacity. I mean who runs down the track and belts the first new ball off of Anderson.

There's quite literally no other batsman in current world cricket who produces such shots at such critical times.
 
Ab Fan said:
Dhoni should have batted higher in that game. Before the start of 2019 WC, we were told, " If suppose India are chasing 230-240 and we are 3 down for 25, who will save us? Ofcourse, MSD. Hence, Dhoni must play as none can soak pressure better than him."


And here we were into 2019 semi final at 25-4 chasing 240 and Indian team management sends a naturally attacking batsman like Pandya ahead of the pressure soaker, Dhoni only to make a fool out of themselves.

At 25-4, if you have Maxwell and Bevan in your team, you would send Bevan to soak in the pressure and then Maxwell to come later.

At 25-4, If you have Faf and Miller in your team, you send Faf to soak in the pressure and leave Miller for final 15 overs hitting.

At 25-4, if you have Stokes and Buttler in your team, you send Stokes to soak in the pressure and leave Buttler for final 15 overs hitting.

And same should have been done with Dhoni and Pandya both in the team. If there was one thing Dhoni was good at that age was in rescuing the team from those situations, he would have taken some balls but I would rather had Dhoni scoring 30 odd of 60 balls at 25-4 rather than him doing the same after coming to bat when reqd. rate was already 6.0.

It was one of the most hilarious decision made at such a situation. We had no business losing that match when our no.8 batsman, Jadeja played his greatest ever ODI knock of 79(58).
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Everyone knows Dhoni should've retired after WC '15. He was 5 years too late into his retirement.
 
Mamoon said:
He takes some great catches already and has pulled off some really good stumpings. It is obvious that he has a lot of raw potential and the only thing he needs is experience. He is already supremely confident and the missed chances are not going to faze him.

What he needs is more experience of keeping in Test cricket in Indian conditions. His keeping on bouncy tracks is already decent, and the series in England will help his keeping as well. Not selecting him for the home series vs South Africa in 2019 was a blunder by the selectors and management.

Thankfully that boring coward Saha will never play a Test over him again.
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Yeah he does seem to have raw potential.

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Btw, what's up with these Shoaib Akhtar style insults reg Saha

That same old boring & coward Saha has saved 3 test matches for India.

If not for Saha, we wouldn't have won the Aus 2017 test series at home and lost a LOT of aura.

Even if he didn't do this, what makes him a coward?

Cos he looks like one?

By that logic, Rahane is the biggest coward in the world.

But he has done things many shers can only dream of. :P
 
Pant chances his arm a lot and when it comes off, it looks brilliant. When it does not, he is called a hack.

Every Test team needs a guy like Pant. The fear factor he puts in the opposition will make them alter their decisions and changes the outcomes of the game.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah he does seem to have raw potential.

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Btw, what's up with these Shoaib Akhtar style insults reg Saha

That same old boring & coward Saha has saved 3 test matches for India.

If not for Saha, we wouldn't have won the Aus 2017 test series at home and lost a LOT of aura.

Even if he didn't do this, what makes him a coward?

Cos he looks like one?

By that logic, Rahane is the biggest coward in the world.

But he has done things many shers can only dream of. :P
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It defo would have been close.

The ranchi game was hanging in balance when his partnership with Pujara took it out of Aus's reach.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I watched it live.

So you're saying Pandya and Pant are "villains" for trying to consolidate when the top order was blown away? :inti
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TNAmarkFromIndia said:
They were your "villains" because you have a bias against them. Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Karthik all got out for single-digit scores yet the "real villains" are those who scored 30-odd trying to consolidate after a bad start. :inti
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I can use the same logic and say Dhoni was your villain because you have a bias against him. It works both ways lol. You know that top order failed in that match, Pant and Pandya failed in that match but still you guys are blaming Dhoni for that loss not top order. If that is not bias then what it is?

Guys like Yuvi and Kaif played match winning innings like these when they were young so giving age and inexperience as an excuse for their failure doesn't make any sense especially when they had experience of playing in high quality IPL. Expecting old Dhoni to finish the match and sending Pant and Pandya before him was team managements decision. I remember fans were also blaming Dhoni for hiding down the order. At least watch the match first. :inti
 
Pant accelerated his innings when England bowlers were knackered. Smart cricket, but not entirely reflective of his batting skills.
 
pillionrider said:
Pant vs Anderson :srt

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Lol.. missed the match but that’s amazing as he is connecting right now.
 
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Technics 1210 said:
Pant accelerated his innings when England bowlers were knackered. Smart cricket, but not entirely reflective of his batting skills.
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Grafting it out during the first two sessions and taking advantage after tea is what test cricket is all about. If he did the same during the first session, it would be called reckless batting and there won't be much different between Rishabh Pant and Mathew Wade.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I can use the same logic and say Dhoni was your villain because you have a bias against him. It works both ways lol. You know that top order failed in that match, Pant and Pandya failed in that match but still you guys are blaming Dhoni for that loss not top order. If that is not bias then what it is?

Guys like Yuvi and Kaif played match winning innings like these when they were young so giving age and inexperience as an excuse for their failure doesn't make any sense especially when they had experience of playing in high quality IPL. Expecting old Dhoni to finish the match and sending Pant and Pandya before him was team managements decision. I remember fans were also blaming Dhoni for hiding down the order. At least watch the match first. :inti
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Are you really that naive?

Dhoni used to set fields and make bowling changes with Kohli present

You think he wouldn't decide on his own batting order?

The ball was swinging and he chose to bat later.And given the circumstances,Pant and Pandya did their bit

It was Dhoni who couldn't even capitalise on a great innings by Jaddu.All he had to was rotate strike
 
Saurav said:
Are you really that naive?

Dhoni used to set fields and make bowling changes with Kohli present

You think he wouldn't decide on his own batting order?

The ball was swinging and he chose to bat later.And given the circumstances,Pant and Pandya did their bit

It was Dhoni who couldn't even capitalise on a great innings by Jaddu.All he had to was rotate strike
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Lol kuch bhi? Read the following carefully :-

Chasing a modest total of 240 runs, MS Dhoni was sent into bat after Rishabh Pant, Dinesh Karthik and Hardik Pandya. He forged over 100-run stand with Ravindra Jadeja but failed to help India cross the line. India head coach Ravi Shastri, however, cleared the air on the stand and said, it was a team decision. Shastri, whose, contract has been extended by 45, also said, the team needed MS Dhoni's experience in the final overs.

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Do not assume things please. If you have any source which proves it was Dhoni's decision to bat after Karthik, Pant and Pandya then do share otherwise don't make stuff up to suit your agenda. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol kuch bhi? Read the following carefully :-

Chasing a modest total of 240 runs, MS Dhoni was sent into bat after Rishabh Pant, Dinesh Karthik and Hardik Pandya. He forged over 100-run stand with Ravindra Jadeja but failed to help India cross the line. India head coach Ravi Shastri, however, cleared the air on the stand and said, it was a team decision. Shastri, whose, contract has been extended by 45, also said, the team needed MS Dhoni's experience in the final overs.

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Do not assume things please. If you have any source which proves it was Dhoni's decision to bat after Karthik, Pant and Pandya then do share otherwise don't make stuff up to suit your agenda. :inti
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As if they will say it on air

Some things are judged by watching .No sources or links
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol kuch bhi? Read the following carefully :-

Chasing a modest total of 240 runs, MS Dhoni was sent into bat after Rishabh Pant, Dinesh Karthik and Hardik Pandya. He forged over 100-run stand with Ravindra Jadeja but failed to help India cross the line. India head coach Ravi Shastri, however, cleared the air on the stand and said, it was a team decision. Shastri, whose, contract has been extended by 45, also said, the team needed MS Dhoni's experience in the final overs.

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Do not assume things please. If you have any source which proves it was Dhoni's decision to bat after Karthik, Pant and Pandya then do share otherwise don't make stuff up to suit your agenda. :inti
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Pretty hilarious decision from whoever made that but I expect a senior like MS Dhoni to have bring his experience into play and come ahead of Pandya in that game.

:inti
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s not just about how many you get, but also when you get them. If you can somehow sync the first with the second, when the team needs it most, you’re a true match winner. Looking at you <a href="https://twitter.com/RishabhPant17?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RishabhPant17</a> &#55357;&#56399;</p>— Adam Gilchrist (@gilly381) <a href="https://twitter.com/gilly381/status/1367868769817661443?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">How good is he? Unbelievable..what a knock under pressure...not the first time and won't be the last time..will be an all time great in all formats in the years to come.keep batting in this aggressive manner .thats why will be match winner and special..<a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@bcci</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/RishabhPant17?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RishabhPant17</a> <a href="https://t.co/1cRmnSw5ZB">pic.twitter.com/1cRmnSw5ZB</a></p>— Sourav Ganguly (@SGanguly99) <a href="https://twitter.com/SGanguly99/status/1367802452070658051?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 5, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I didn't think he was good when it mattered.

But Rishabh has turned it all around in the last year or so. A pleasure to watch and a growth story for many other batsmen with talent but no method.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Lol kuch bhi? Read the following carefully :-

Chasing a modest total of 240 runs, MS Dhoni was sent into bat after Rishabh Pant, Dinesh Karthik and Hardik Pandya. He forged over 100-run stand with Ravindra Jadeja but failed to help India cross the line. India head coach Ravi Shastri, however, cleared the air on the stand and said, it was a team decision. Shastri, whose, contract has been extended by 45, also said, the team needed MS Dhoni's experience in the final overs.

"It was a team decision. Everyone was in with it -- and it was a simple decision, too. Last thing you wanted was Dhoni coming out to bat early and getting out -- that would have killed the chase," Shastri was quoted as saying by the Indian Express.

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...position-in-world-cup-2019-semi-final-2068827

Do not assume things please. If you have any source which proves it was Dhoni's decision to bat after Karthik, Pant and Pandya then do share otherwise don't make stuff up to suit your agenda. :inti
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So they had no confidence in Dhoni and were scared he would get out? Man, he should have retired before to avoid hearing something so humiliating

Also its hilarious you think Dhoni sychiophants like Shastri would say anything else

also people like you are prime example of the harm Dhoni did by lingering, blind Dhoni fans targeted and spent their bile on young players like Pant and still do
 
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guna said:
Pant chances his arm a lot and when it comes off, it looks brilliant. When it does not, he is called a hack.

Every Test team needs a guy like Pant. The fear factor he puts in the opposition will make them alter their decisions and changes the outcomes of the game.
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This is wrong, he does not chance his arm till he plays at least 60+ balls. He is the most consistent batsman in our team at the moment
 
Absolutely fearless!! There's reckless and then there's fearless. If it doesn't come off, it looks reckless. But somewhere in his mind there's a sharp calculator that knew Anderson was dangerous with the new ball and he needs to be shocked. That's precisely what he did and not many can do it.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I can use the same logic and say Dhoni was your villain because you have a bias against him. It works both ways lol. You know that top order failed in that match, Pant and Pandya failed in that match but still you guys are blaming Dhoni for that loss not top order. If that is not bias then what it is?
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For the second time now you're saying that I called Dhoni a villain. Quote the post where I said that. You're just lying for the sake of your argument.

You can't deal with the fact that there are people who blame neither Pant/Pandya nor Dhoni for that match. :inti
 
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
You're going on about Pant now, long after he's shown he's a worthy Dhoni replacement. The straw that's broken the back is trying to pin the 2019 WC loss on him on the day he produced a sensational knock for India. When we all know who lost us that match :dhoni

So I decided to do some digging :smith

Looks like you were asking for Dhoni to be dropped long back from tests and more importantly, ODIs.


2014
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I would trust misbah to save a test match rather than dhoni. Dhoni is good for LOI's only.
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Fair enough. Used here only to prove you're not that massive a Dhoni supporter when it comes to test cricket. So what's the issue with Pant's batting in tests?

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
If misbah was in indian team he would have a better record than dhoni in test matches.
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Again, fair enough.

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Dhoni is the dumbest captain ever to play for india in tests.
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Ok :afridi1

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Let me complete the sentence 'maybe, yes if i fail to win this year's champions league i will quit test captaincy'


lol what more do you need to quit? You want india to lose in australia also? What is he waiting for?
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2015

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Dhoni has done a lot for india and indian fans. But in my opinion most of the desi players mainly indians and pakistanis don't know when to call it a day. Compare them to sri lankan players who put their teams first and choose the right time to retire. Mahela and sanga are the biggest example. There are exceptions like misbah too but in their case fans don't realize how important they are for the time.

Misbah and Dhoni are two sides of the same coin. Both are appreciated more by opposition/arch rival fans only.
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2016
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Dhoni should retire from odi's atleast. He can keep playing T20's. Need to find another wicket keeper batsman now.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It is not about how dhoni helped india win trophies and took india to number 1 rankings in test cricket. It's about moving on.

Most of the desi players and fans especially indians and pakistanis don't know when to call it quits. Living in the past glory won't help. Those who have seen MS Dhoni last couple of innings will agree that he is not the same dhoni anymore. He struggles to hit the ball. He was used to be cool and calm but I have seen few glimpses of pressure on his face. It's natural though but he has to decide and I am not saying he should retire from all the formats in one go. But he won't play in 2019 world cup so let the other guy get into the team and gain some experience. He can keep playing T20's for as long as he wants.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It was an odi equivalent of kamran akmal's inning in that karachi test match. On both occasions india lost the match.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Why don't you bring back M Yousuf and Abdul Razzaq back into the Pakistan team and ask this stupid question from yourself? His time is up.
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And where did i call dhoni stupid? His decisions can be criticised. Don't be so sensitive. His time is up and he should retire from intl. cricket.
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What's going on :inti
 
He can play as a batsman alone though why would you do that? He has suddenly opened up an option to include one extra bowler for Indians. It has allowed bowler like Sundar to get a chance and so far he has grabbed it with both hands.
Pant is here to stay. Jadeja's is a selection conundrum.
 
pillionrider said:
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
You're going on about Pant now, long after he's shown he's a worthy Dhoni replacement. The straw that's broken the back is trying to pin the 2019 WC loss on him on the day he produced a sensational knock for India. When we all know who lost us that match :dhoni

So I decided to do some digging :smith

Looks like you were asking for Dhoni to be dropped long back from tests and more importantly, ODIs.


2014


Fair enough. Used here only to prove you're not that massive a Dhoni supporter when it comes to test cricket. So what's the issue with Pant's batting in tests?



Again, fair enough.



Ok :afridi1




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What's going on :inti
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Brutally exposed. :yk
 
pillionrider said:
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
You're going on about Pant now, long after he's shown he's a worthy Dhoni replacement. The straw that's broken the back is trying to pin the 2019 WC loss on him on the day he produced a sensational knock for India. When we all know who lost us that match :dhoni

So I decided to do some digging :smith

Looks like you were asking for Dhoni to be dropped long back from tests and more importantly, ODIs.


2014


Fair enough. Used here only to prove you're not that massive a Dhoni supporter when it comes to test cricket. So what's the issue with Pant's batting in tests?



Again, fair enough.



Ok :afridi1




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What's going on :inti
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This is some serious digging mate.
 
pillionrider said:
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
You're going on about Pant now, long after he's shown he's a worthy Dhoni replacement. The straw that's broken the back is trying to pin the 2019 WC loss on him on the day he produced a sensational knock for India. When we all know who lost us that match :dhoni

So I decided to do some digging :smith

Looks like you were asking for Dhoni to be dropped long back from tests and more importantly, ODIs.


2014


Fair enough. Used here only to prove you're not that massive a Dhoni supporter when it comes to test cricket. So what's the issue with Pant's batting in tests?



Again, fair enough.



Ok :afridi1




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What's going on :inti
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The support for Dhoni only increased after he passed his peak years and was no longer a threat. Till 2016, Dhoni was still good and hence no support. Also, Pant's arrival have increased the support for Dhoni more bcoz the former posed greater threat to opposition.

Are people still struggling to understand things and cant see the mask? LOL
 
pillionrider said:
@Bhaag_Viru_Bhaag
You're going on about Pant now, long after he's shown he's a worthy Dhoni replacement. The straw that's broken the back is trying to pin the 2019 WC loss on him on the day he produced a sensational knock for India. When we all know who lost us that match :dhoni

So I decided to do some digging :smith

Looks like you were asking for Dhoni to be dropped long back from tests and more importantly, ODIs.


2014


Fair enough. Used here only to prove you're not that massive a Dhoni supporter when it comes to test cricket. So what's the issue with Pant's batting in tests?



Again, fair enough.



Ok :afridi1




2015




2016











What's going on :inti
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Thank you. Your post only proves that I am not a 'blind' Dhoni supporter. Hopefully [MENTION=3327]Indiafan[/MENTION] and others can see that.

Why I supported Dhoni over Pant? Answer is simple because Pant wasn't doing his job properly and at that time I thought there was no one better than Dhoni to continue as a wicketkeeper batsman for India. Hopefully you can dig that post also where I clearly mentioned once the World Cup gets over I won't mind Dhoni retiring from LOI's and I don't care what happens to his place after that. Pant was dropped from LOI team because of his poor stats. If Dhoni was a roadblock in his selection then what stopped Pant from getting his place back in LOI teams after WC? Why is KL Rahul playing as a wicketkeeper batsman ahead of him? :inti
 
Shastri mentioned today that Pant was given an ultimatum. I guess that was before the AUS series. Respect the game, get fit, work hard on keeping. Pant has been doing all three and we can see the results. Next up is getting his head right for LOIs.
 
guna said:
Pant chances his arm a lot and when it comes off, it looks brilliant. When it does not, he is called a hack.

Every Test team needs a guy like Pant. The fear factor he puts in the opposition will make them alter their decisions and changes the outcomes of the game.
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It's difficult to find someone like him though. You can get dashers but the nerves of steel under pressure is an attribute that belongs to a selected few. I'm aware he has a long way to go. However in this competitive Indian setup with aggression and no fear, he can thrive. They are ok if he fails playing these shots but are not ok if he plays this shot in his first 10 balls like he used to do. There is now a method to the madness.
 
rhony said:
Next up is getting his head right for LOIs.
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I will be surprised if he sees similar success in ODIs. I think he's more suited to opening the batting sent with the intention of getting the team off to a quick start, rather than in the middle order where you need to be smarter and more calculative. Having said that, Pandya has been doing well recently so maybe Pant could too.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I will be surprised if he sees similar success in ODIs. I think he's more suited to opening the batting sent with the intention of getting the team off to a quick start, rather than in the middle order where you need to be smarter and more calculative. Having said that, Pandya has been doing well recently so maybe Pant could too.
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Pandya is a gun white ball player. I think Pant will be too. He can take the finishing role with his clutch attitude.
 
rhony said:
Shastri mentioned today that Pant was given an ultimatum. I guess that was before the AUS series. Respect the game, get fit, work hard on keeping. Pant has been doing all three and we can see the results. Next up is getting his head right for LOIs.
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When will Satri give that ultimatum to non performing senior cricketers who plays one series and then goes on missing for two. Will he and his master give an ultimatum to Dhawan before start of the LOI matches?
 
RajBan said:
When will Satri give that ultimatum to non performing senior cricketers who plays one series and then goes on missing for two. Will he and his master give an ultimatum to Dhawan before start of the LOI matches?
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What wrong has Dhawan done? Averages 50+ at 100 SR in the last two years.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I will be surprised if he sees similar success in ODIs. I think he's more suited to opening the batting sent with the intention of getting the team off to a quick start, rather than in the middle order where you need to be smarter and more calculative. Having said that, Pandya has been doing well recently so maybe Pant could too.
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Lmao, so he can be smarter and more calculativr in the toughest format of the games (and many legends have said he is a very smart cricketer who plans eveys single move brilliantly) but can't be smart in LOI? Some really ridiculous posts in thsi thread
 
rhony said:
It's difficult to find someone like him though. You can get dashers but the nerves of steel under pressure is an attribute that belongs to a selected few. I'm aware he has a long way to go. However in this competitive Indian setup with aggression and no fear, he can thrive. They are ok if he fails playing these shots but are not ok if he plays this shot in his first 10 balls like he used to do. There is now a method to the madness.
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He never used to slog in the first 10 balls that was media created hype because of Dhoni. 90% of his innings, including from 2018 is when he always played cautiously

But when he failed once or twice like every player does the media amd management hounded him

There is a big PR campaign to portray kohl and team were right to drop him and its because of that he became what he is. Dont fall for it

He was always the same mature player in domestics. His keeping also is much better, the campaign created by insecure Dhoni PR notwithstanding
 
Indiafan said:
He never used to slog in the first 10 balls that was media created hype because of Dhoni. 90% of his innings, including from 2018 is when he always played cautiously

But when he failed once or twice like every player does the media amd management hounded him

There is a big PR campaign to portray kohl and team were right to drop him and its because of that he became what he is. Dont fall for it

He was always the same mature player in domestics. His keeping also is much better, the campaign created by insecure Dhoni PR notwithstanding
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There is a reason why he was dropped from LOIs. Im sure his attitude has changed. Will be interesting times ahead.
 
1st T20 team:-

Kannaur(v/c)
Rohit
Kohli(c)
SKY
Pant(match winner)
Pandya( match winner)
Sundar/Tewatia
Bhuvi
Chahar
Yuzi
Natarajan
 
Indiafan said:
He never used to slog in the first 10 balls that was media created hype because of Dhoni. 90% of his innings, including from 2018 is when he always played cautiously

But when he failed once or twice like every player does the media amd management hounded him

There is a big PR campaign to portray kohl and team were right to drop him and its because of that he became what he is. Dont fall for it

He was always the same mature player in domestics. His keeping also is much better, the campaign created by insecure Dhoni PR notwithstanding
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Dude get a life. Dhoni has retired and Pant was rightly dropped from LOI teams. These are his stats

ODI's

Matches : 16
Average : 26

T20's

Matches : 27
Average : 20

Let's take this discussion further without calling anyone names and questionning their nationality. Let's see what you have to say. :inti
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
You called Pant overrated and hyped at one point of time. Now after these performances he has proved you wrong , you also said that Saha should Play ahead of him at Gabba after he dropped Pucovski, so yet again you were wrong.

Also your claim that he will end up as another Umar Akmal has also been proved wrong, Pant has already achieved more than Umar.
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I gave a prediction : he will end with a below 30 average once he retires. Let that happen first then you can jump on me.

He is not a regular in LOI teams currently. I said he will waste his opportunities like Umar Akmal which he already did in LOI's and got dropped. As far as tests are concerned he is in a form of his life and everything going his way but your and others loyalty will be tested once he fails.:inti
 
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Also now shift your focus to Pandya, coz he is going to get you in a lot of trouble in the upcoming days.
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Some of you said he is good enough to play as a specialist batsman but he didn't in the last 2 series also. Let's see what he does in LOIs. You do know I praise them when they play really well but will never get on the hype train. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Dude get a life. Dhoni has retired and Pant was rightly dropped from LOI teams. These are his stats

ODI's

Matches : 16
Average : 26

T20's

Matches : 27
Average : 20

Let's take this discussion further without calling anyone names and questionning their nationality. Let's see what you have to say. :inti
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Yuvraj played 85 odis before his career really too off.
You need to back youngsters who have raw potential, and yes not all youngsters should receive the same treatment, imagine wasting 85 odis on Sadagopan Ramesh.

Your prediction of pant ending his career with avg 30 can only be tested after 12 or 13 years lol.
There were 1000s of abuses you hurled on him including him being overhyped and overrated and that was not format specific.

He has proved you wrong, atleast have the guts to admit it.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Yuvraj played 85 odis before his career really too off.
You need to back youngsters who have raw potential, and yes not all youngsters should receive the same treatment, imagine wasting 85 odis on Sadagopan Ramesh.

Your prediction of pant ending his career with avg 30 can only be tested after 12 or 13 years lol.
There were 1000s of abuses you hurled on him including him being overhyped and overrated and that was not format specific.

He has proved you wrong, atleast have the guts to admit it.
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List them now. When did I abuse him? Are you confusing me with Dhoni haters? I did call him a tullaybaaz because that is how he was getting out in LOI's.

Regarding Yuvi team management backed him in LOI's after he showed his potential in the first tournament he played for India, then who can forget Natwest Trophy final. What has Pant done in LOI's? He won't be selected based on his test performances.

Also KL Rahul who is doing fine as a wicketkeeper batsman in T20's at least allows team to play an extra bowler. I was right about KL Rahul too. And was the first one here to suggest he should keep wicket in LOIs to improve his batting just like Rahul Dravid did. :inti
 
Indiafan said:
Lmao, so he can be smarter and more calculativr in the toughest format of the games (and many legends have said he is a very smart cricketer who plans eveys single move brilliantly) but can't be smart in LOI? Some really ridiculous posts in thsi thread
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He has played 16 ODI's and 27 T20's. How many times did he finish the match for India so far? He was getting out by playing stupid shots in most of the matches. Was that smart cricket? :inti
 
Man of the Series for me. His keeping style was highly skilful and enthralling, his attitude was brilliant, and his batting was absolutely superb. England were on top in the Fourth Test after a gritty bowling display, and they were looking at a crucial first innings lead before Pant got going. But India ended up winning by an innings. From a possible 2-2 result to a thumping 3-1 win. That is the difference that one world-class player can make to a series.
 
James said:
Man of the Series for me. His keeping style was highly skilful and enthralling, his attitude was brilliant, and his batting was absolutely superb. England were on top in the Fourth Test after a gritty bowling display, and they were looking at a crucial first innings lead before Pant got going. But India ended up winning by an innings. From a possible 2-2 result to a thumping 3-1 win. That is the difference that one world-class player can make to a series.
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If pant not played Australia series then Australia would have won series 3-1 . In Sydney & Gabba test he played crucial role
 
Is it too early to compare him to Adam Gilchrist ? I think he is the first WK bat in a long time who deserves a worthy comparison
 
shaz619 said:
Is it too early to compare him to Adam Gilchrist ? I think he is the first WK bat in a long time who deserves a worthy comparison
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In tests yeah but not LOI.. hopefully improves his game in LOI as well.
 
JaDed said:
In tests yeah but not LOI.. hopefully improves his game in LOI as well.
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His FC numbers are also much better compared to List A, his game may be more suited to the longer format which is a bit weird when you look at some of the shots he plays so definitely a big scope for improvement in ODI’s and T20I’s
 
shaz619 said:
His FC numbers are also much better compared to List A, his game may be more suited to the longer format which is a bit weird when you look at some of the shots he plays so definitely a big scope for improvement in ODI’s and T20I’s
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His position in LOI might be an issue ,.. the confidence from tests should help him in LOI hopefully
 
JaDed said:
His position in LOI might be an issue ,.. the confidence from tests should help him in LOI hopefully
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Yeah, his List A record is poor surprisingly. What position should he play according to you in LOIs? At opening spot, we already have many guys in reckoning.
 
JaDed said:
His position in LOI might be an issue ,.. the confidence from tests should help him in LOI hopefully
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it. KL Rahul is doing fine in LOI's and allowing India to play extra batsman/bowler. Only if he is injured Pant should play in his place. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. KL Rahul is doing fine in LOI's and allowing India to play extra batsman/bowler. Only if he is injured Pant should play in his place. :inti
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Lol bhag.. it’s comic really.. the entire world including us is after Pant and you are so dead against him! Is there a reason?
 
Forward Defensive Push said:
Lol bhag.. it’s comic really.. the entire world including us is after Pant and you are so dead against him! Is there a reason?
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He has mediocre stats in LOIs and was dropped fairly in those formats. Yes he is in good form in tests lately but that doesn't mean he should be included in the LOI teams based on that. I have hardly seen him finish any match in LOIs. He will most likely throw his wicket again in LOIs. :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Yeah, his List A record is poor surprisingly. What position should he play according to you in LOIs? At opening spot, we already have many guys in reckoning.
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2 down... and yes hopefully improves his List A

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. KL Rahul is doing fine in LOI's and allowing India to play extra batsman/bowler. Only if he is injured Pant should play in his place. :inti
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At 23 except Sachin no one could finish matches , I never expected that out of him , just expect him to be consistent.. he will knock on the door but its upto selectors. Also you are expecting him to play like ATG at 23 and finish off matches is unfair to him..

Also after seeing him keep in this series(highlights) his keeping skills are better than Rahul..
 
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Admiration grows for players that take severe criticism and improve, Pant has shown that but Rahul(for now) always leaves things to be desired..but they are our future team once Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli call it a day or forced to.

I think we should have them both.. Rahul might be more talented than Pant but Pant has proved he is willing to learn..
 
Shastri with glowing words about Pant's work ethic and performance. He says that, in the last 2 months, Pant has done things that most players won't do in their lifetime.

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JaDed said:
2 down... and yes hopefully improves his List A



At 23 except Sachin no one could finish matches , I never expected that out of him , just expect him to be consistent.. he will knock on the door but its upto selectors. Also you are expecting him to play like ATG at 23 and finish off matches is unfair to him..

Also after seeing him keep in this series(highlights) his keeping skills are better than Rahul..
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ODIs:-

Rohit
Dhawan
Kohli
Pants
KL
Pandya
Jadeja

T20s:-

Rohit
KL
Kohli
SKY/Iyer
Pant
Pandya
Jadeja/Sundar
 
Back-to-back series changing performances.

3-1 and an inning victory does not reflect what Pant did in this series. It could have been 2-2.
 
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Firebat said:
Shastri with glowing words about Pant's work ethic and performance. He says that, in the last 2 months, Pant has done things that most players won't do in their lifetime.

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He is spot on with that comment. What Pant does going forward is a different issue, but there is no denying his impact in the last 2 series.
 
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