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MenInG said:
Mohammad Asif on Pant's innings:

"It was totally England bowlers' fault as Pant did no wonders; He [Pant] has technical faults. His left-hand doesn't work but still he managed to score a century because English bowlers didn't bowl to him in his weak areas."

"I will not name individuals but England made a lot of mistakes. When Jadeja and Pant were batting, they brought in a left-arm spinner who wasn't an ideal option to bowl at that moment.

"I am not against Pant, but with such decisions by the opposition, you get an edge to score big."
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What a sour grape Asif is.

So Pant has a left hand that does work lol what the hell ??

'You get an edge to score big', yeah because scoring big is just a walk in the park, which is why almost everyone these days scores big lol 😆

Asif sour grapeness is clouding his judgement it looks like..
 
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Pant dropped a catch and that could cost them the game.
Pant keeping is average at best.
 
romali_rotti said:
who did vihari drop ?
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jb.

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Siraj to Bairstow, FOUR, dropped! That's a costly miss from Vihari. Back of a length and straightens, Bairstow tries to force it off the back foot and the outside edge flies to the slip cordon, Vihari is standing close at fourth slip and he parries it over him. The ball flew to him and he went reverse cup, the ball bursts through his hands
 
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MenInG said:
jb.

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Siraj to Bairstow, FOUR, dropped! That's a costly miss from Vihari. Back of a length and straightens, Bairstow tries to force it off the back foot and the outside edge flies to the slip cordon, Vihari is standing close at fourth slip and he parries it over him. The ball flew to him and he went reverse cup, the ball bursts through his hands
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Thank you, hopefully ENG can capitalize and take it home with a win.
 
How can anyone call him overrated? He has made big runs in Aus / Eng.

The way he plays and scores his runs is due to his talent. He can even get better, because at times it looks like he is not even 100% in it.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Yeah. I will blame Kohli for this loss. Full of arrogance with zero performance. :inti
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Yeah. Don't forget it was only after him sledging Bairstow, he got into the murderous mood.

Kohli is totally expendable, he serves no purpose in this team.
 
It was a good innings on a flat pitch conducive to his type of batting. But credit has to be given he has done very well in tests so far in his career.
 
Nathan Lyon has a good chance to take revenge from him this year by bowling wide outside off. Let's see if Pant falls into that trap or not. He needs to be patient with those deliveries as it is not possible to clear those boundaries by hitting down the ground and in Test cricket, he can definitely keep leaving those deliveries with no harm.

Off spinner is considered as a graveyard for left handed batsman.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I have already mentioned above that he played well but both of his hundreds in England have come in a losing cause. :inti
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Special player in tests, isn't he? Best Indian test bat since Kohli?

At age of 24, already hit 4 SENA hundreds, two iconic 89 and 97 knocks and has performed in three test series deciders in three different countries( Brisbane, Cape Town, Edgabaston).
 
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He threw his wicket away in the second innings. That was the start of England's comeback in the test match.
 
Ab Fan said:
Special player in tests, isn't he? Best Indian test bat since Kohli?

At age of 24, already hit 4 SENA hundreds, two iconic 89 and 97 knocks and has performed in three test series deciders in three different countries( Brisbane, Cape Town, Edgabaston).
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Should play in tests for the time being and leave LOIs for others. :inti
 
A few people having a go at him for the Edgbaston loss.

The guy scored over 200 runs in the match whereas other bigger names totally flopped and they are the ones where the fingers should be pointed towards.
 
Most test runs in SENA :-

<B>Kohli 3356, AVG 43</B>
Pujara 2517, AVG 33
Rahane 2268, AVG 33
<B>Pant 1426, AVG 39</B>
Rohit 1119, AVG 31
Rahul 1057, AVG 29

Barring Pant, rest all are specialist bats.
 
Ab Fan said:
Most test runs in SENA :-

<B>Kohli 3356, AVG 43</B>
Pujara 2517, AVG 33
Rahane 2268, AVG 33
<B>Pant 1426, AVG 39</B>
Rohit 1119, AVG 31
Rahul 1057, AVG 29

Barring Pant, rest all are specialist bats.
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Pant is a specialist batter who can keep abit.
 
shamaan said:
Pant is a specialist batter who can keep abit.
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Damn, what logic is this? He is a proper wicket keeper batsman. In Test cricket, he has already kept to world class pacers and world class spinners. He is already on verge of being called as the greatest Asian test wicket keeper of all-time. He is way ahead of rest.

At age of 24, already hit 4 SENA hundreds, two iconic 89 and 97 knocks and has performed in three test series deciders in three different countries( Brisbane, Cape Town, Edgabaston.
 
Ab Fan said:
Most test runs in SENA :-

<B>Kohli 3356, AVG 43</B>
Pujara 2517, AVG 33
Rahane 2268, AVG 33
<B>Pant 1426, AVG 39</B>
Rohit 1119, AVG 31
Rahul 1057, AVG 29

Barring Pant, rest all are specialist bats.
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Look at that pathetic average of Rahul and this after he performed relatively well in first 4 tests of this series and scored a ton in the first test against SA, earlier this year.

If Rahul is the answer to our opening woes, god save our cricket!
 
shamaan said:
Pant is a specialist batter who can keep abit.
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His keeping has improved by leaps and bounds, this much I can tell you. He just needs to bin that habit of throwing away his wicket after being set.
 
MP2011 said:
Look at that pathetic average of Rahul and this after he performed relatively well in first 4 tests of this series and scored a ton in the first test against SA, earlier this year.

If Rahul is the answer to our opening woes, god save our cricket!
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Most test hundreds in SENA :-

Kohli 11
Pujara 5
Pant 4
Rahane 4
Rahul 4
Rohit 1
Jadeja 1
Vihari, Gill, Shaw, Mayank 0

Unfortunately the answer is yes. He is average but the best for overseas conditions as opener.
 
Ab Fan said:
Most test hundreds in SENA :-

Kohli 11
Pujara 5
Pant 4
Rahane 4
Rahul 4
Rohit 1
Jadeja 1
Vihari, Gill, Shaw, Mayank 0

Unfortunately the answer is yes. He is average but the best for overseas conditions as opener.
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Yeah, he does blunt the new ball well and scores occasional hundreds in away tests. However that's not enough, far from it.
 
Technics 1210 said:
What good is a century when it is in a losing cause? I guess we can ask Tendulkar.
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When you don't have all 11 players in your team playing on merit (at least 70-80% of your level) and enough passengers in the team, then you know what will be the result and where will all your effort go! Ask Tendulkar!
 
From latest ICC Rankings release:

Wicketkeeper-batter Pant helped put India on top early in the Test against England with 146 runs off just 111 balls in the first innings then followed up with 57 later in the match.

Pant’s recent form with two tons and three half-centuries in his past six Test innings has earned him a highest-ever position in the Test batting rankings, moving six places to fifth.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I think you are really hurt. I have already mentioned above that he played well but both of his hundreds in England have come in a losing cause. :inti
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how magnanimous of you after subjecting the rest of the forum to relentless spamming on this thread for 2+ years after every pant failure
 
frenchcut said:
how magnanimous of you after subjecting the rest of the forum to relentless spamming on this thread for 2+ years after every pant failure
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Spamming is what you are doing here. It seems I have been hurting your soul for the last 2+ years. If you don't have anything useful to add to this thread kindly avoid posting in it. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Spamming is what you are doing here. It seems I have been hurting your soul for the last 2+ years. If you don't have anything useful to add to this thread kindly avoid posting in it. :inti
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by almost every objective measure pant has been India’s best test bat over the past two-three years.

most top cricketers have a good innings about 30-40% of the time (so about 1 in 3 innings). which means that for 2 out of 3 pant innings we’ve been subjected to your unsolicited “where are the pant fans who have been found out now haan? haaaaan?” posts, with the third post (in the event of a success) a begrudging comment through clenched teeth almost always with some sort of caveat.

the implication of your recent post is clear - he may have scored 140 in 100 balls, and given india a 4th innings total of nearly 400 to defend but for you, it still came in a loss so…….
we know what you’re trying to get at here.

given that you are so spectacularly wrong pretty frequently, whilst still maintaining the air of some sort of cricketing intellectual, the only one who should do the rest of the forum a favour and post less frequently, is you.
 
Technics 1210 said:
What good is a century when it is in a losing cause? I guess we can ask Tendulkar.
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So What good was Lara and Shiv's efforts then when 80 percent of their hundreds came in loosing causes? or a lot of BD -Zim players efforts?i get it the over all victory is what is the ultimate big picture but does that mean the efforts of players in loosing causes should be negated?
 
frenchcut said:
by almost every objective measure pant has been India’s best test bat over the past two-three years.

most top cricketers have a good innings about 30-40% of the time (so about 1 in 3 innings). which means that for 2 out of 3 pant innings we’ve been subjected to your unsolicited “where are the pant fans who have been found out now haan? haaaaan?” posts, with the third post (in the event of a success) a begrudging comment through clenched teeth almost always with some sort of caveat.

the implication of your recent post is clear - he may have scored 140 in 100 balls, and given india a 4th innings total of nearly 400 to defend but for you, it still came in a loss so…….
we know what you’re trying to get at here.

given that you are so spectacularly wrong pretty frequently, whilst still maintaining the air of some sort of cricketing intellectual, the only one who should do the rest of the forum a favour and post less frequently, is you.
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There was nothing wrong when I informed you and others that both his hundreds in England came in a losing cause. I already said he played well and blamed Kohli for this loss. You can continue crying. :inti
 
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CrIc_Mystique said:
So What good was Lara and Shiv's efforts then when 80 percent of their hundreds came in loosing causes? or a lot of BD -Zim players efforts?i get it the over all victory is what is the ultimate big picture but does that mean the efforts of players in loosing causes should be negated?
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No one is saying a century does not require effort, but a century's value is determined by context and result.

I bet you will remember Pant's centuries down under because India won the series vs Australia; but Pant's century in a losing cause vs England, not just any lose, a record breaking humiliating loss, will be forgotten quickly.

How many of Tendulkar's centuries do you remember against Kenya? Namibia? Zimbabwe? Zero. How many do you remember? vs Pakistan 1999 Chennai most likely, and his 100th Century vs Bangladesh - both in loses.

There is a reason why not a single one of Tendulkar's centuries - spanning a career of 23 odd years - are absent in the all time Wisden Top 100, but Lara makes the cut a few times.

Value vs. Stats Padding.
 
Ab Fan said:
Damn, what logic is this? He is a proper wicket keeper batsman. In Test cricket, he has already kept to world class pacers and world class spinners. He is already on verge of being called as the greatest Asian test wicket keeper of all-time. He is way ahead of rest.

At age of 24, already hit 4 SENA hundreds, two iconic 89 and 97 knocks and has performed in three test series deciders in three different countries( Brisbane, Cape Town, Edgabaston.
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I can name you multiple times in the last year we're he dropped catches.He has only kept to World class bowler such as bumrah only.I have already said hes a specialist batter who can take the game away with you with the bat however he just lost you a test by dropping baistrow.

Didn't Pant drop a sitter in the IPL against David Brewis.
 
MP2011 said:
His keeping has improved by leaps and bounds, this much I can tell you. He just needs to bin that habit of throwing away his wicket after being set.
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It may have improved but its no were the standard of other previews keepers or current keepers however he is good batesman.
 
Gotta give it to him, he was the one that kept india in the game. India should had won and he should had been the motm.

But poor decisions by bcci with regards to captain and pathetic bowling by india led them to lose...
 
Technics 1210 said:
No one is saying a century does not require effort, but a century's value is determined by context and result.

I bet you will remember Pant's centuries down under because India won the series vs Australia; but Pant's century in a losing cause vs England, not just any lose, a record breaking humiliating loss, will be forgotten quickly.

How many of Tendulkar's centuries do you remember against Kenya? Namibia? Zimbabwe? Zero. How many do you remember? vs Pakistan 1999 Chennai most likely, and his 100th Century vs Bangladesh - both in loses.

There is a reason why not a single one of Tendulkar's centuries - spanning a career of 23 odd years - are absent in the all time Wisden Top 100, but Lara makes the cut a few times.

Value vs. Stats Padding.
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1. The list was made in 2001/02, so it doesn't include Tendulkar's career of 23 odd years.

2. The exact same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time after Viv Richards.

3. The exact same WISDEN included in in their All Time World XI, not Lara.
 
Hitman said:
1. The list was made in 2001/02, so it doesn't include Tendulkar's career of 23 odd years.

2. The exact same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time after Viv Richards.

3. The exact same WISDEN included in in their All Time World XI, not Lara.
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No need to get sensitive about this. I am just refering to centuries, not the player. Yes tis list was introduce in 2001 but hard to believe that no Tendulkar century in his prime years never made the list.

From Wiki:

Despite his highly impressive career record, not one of Sachin Tendulkar's innings appeared in the top 100 batting performances. His omission was strongly criticised by fans and many sections of the media in India.[3] Wisden defended the list stating that performances which made a major contribution to victory received a much larger weighting than those in which the match was drawn or lost. Tendulkar's most important innings had usually come in draws and defeats, and therefore received a lower weighting.

Bringing me back to my point, no one values centuries in a loss/draw cause.
 
shamaan said:
I can name you multiple times in the last year we're he dropped catches.He has only kept to World class bowler such as bumrah only.I have already said hes a specialist batter who can take the game away with you with the bat however he just lost you a test by dropping baistrow.

Didn't Pant drop a sitter in the IPL against David Brewis.
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Absolutely comical post. Pant didn't lost the test match, that instance was not even qualified to be called as "dropped catch". The very fact that you are highlighting it tells us about your biasedness against Pant. He was one of the shinning spark of that test for India and there were only few of them. The drop catch was the one by Vihari.

Pant is a very good keeper and he has kept and taken a lot of catches to Indian spinners on turning wickets. He is a very good keeper and as a batsman he is at different level to other Asian keepers. If someone is dropping a lot of catches then he won't be getting to fastest to 100 dismissals record. He is right up there with the greatest Asian test keeper batsman and it is only a matter of him sustaining the form and maintaining the average of 40+ over his career to become one.
 
Technics 1210 said:
No need to get sensitive about this. I am just refering to centuries, not the player. Yes tis list was introduce in 2001 but hard to believe that no Tendulkar century in his prime years never made the list.

From Wiki:

Despite his highly impressive career record, not one of Sachin Tendulkar's innings appeared in the top 100 batting performances. His omission was strongly criticised by fans and many sections of the media in India.[3] Wisden defended the list stating that performances which made a major contribution to victory received a much larger weighting than those in which the match was drawn or lost. Tendulkar's most important innings had usually come in draws and defeats, and therefore received a lower weighting.

Bringing me back to my point, no one values centuries in a loss/draw cause.
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Hmmm, you claimed that none of Tendulkar's centuries in his 23 year career could make it, when in fact the list was made by WISDEN in 2001/02. If you were wise, you would accept you mistake and move on.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Bringing me back to my point, no one values centuries in a loss/draw cause.
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If that were so, the late, great Richie Benaud would not have rated his 148* in Australia as an 18 year old, as the greatest innings played in Australia by a non Aussie.
 
Hitman said:
If that were so, the late, great Richie Benaud would not have rated his 148* in Australia as an 18 year old, as the greatest innings played in Australia by a non Aussie.
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Did the century make the WISDEN list? No.

You can pigeon hole all you want.
 
Hitman said:
Hmmm, you claimed that none of Tendulkar's centuries in his 23 year career could make it, when in fact the list was made by WISDEN in 2001/02. If you were wise, you would accept you mistake and move on.
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You can get pedantic about it, but fact remains, not a single one of Tendulkar's 100s makes the Wisden list, cos most of his centuries were in a draw/loss.
 
Technics 1210 said:
You can get pedantic about it, but fact remains, not a single one of Tendulkar's 100s makes the Wisden list, cos most of his centuries were in a draw/loss.
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Here's what you typed youself -

"There is a reason why not a single one of Tendulkar's centuries - spanning a career of 23 odd years - are absent in the all time Wisden Top 100, but Lara makes the cut a few times."
 
Hitman said:
1. The list was made in 2001/02, so it doesn't include Tendulkar's career of 23 odd years.

2. The exact same WISDEN rated him the 2nd greatest Test batsman after Bradman, and the 2nd greatest ODI batsman of all time after Viv Richards.

3. The exact same WISDEN included in in their All Time World XI, not Lara.
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Wisden, what Wisden? What's their standing in world cricket?
 
Hitman said:
If that were so, the late, great Richie Benaud would not have rated his 148* in Australia as an 18 year old, as the greatest innings played in Australia by a non Aussie.
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What did Richie know about cricket?
 
shamaan said:
It may have improved but its no were the standard of other previews keepers or current keepers however he is good batesman.
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Not sure, you saw him keep during last 2 test series we played.
 
Hitman said:
Here's what you typed youself -

"There is a reason why not a single one of Tendulkar's centuries - spanning a career of 23 odd years - are absent in the all time Wisden Top 100, but Lara makes the cut a few times."
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And? Am I denying what I typed?

All you are proving is why there is a controversy surrounding the list and the absence of a Tendulkar century. Tendulkar was just a run machine. Though to be fair, the only losing century of his that is remembered, was his 100th 100, in a losing cause, vs Bangladesh.
 
Technics 1210 said:
And? Am I denying what I typed?

All you are proving is why there is a controversy surrounding the list and the absence of a Tendulkar century. Tendulkar was just a run machine. Though to be fair, the only losing century of his that is remembered, was his 100th 100, in a losing cause, vs Bangladesh.
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Trying to save face? Here's your post -

There is a reason why not a single one of Tendulkar's centuries - spanning a career of 23 odd years - are absent in the all time Wisden Top 100, but Lara makes the cut a few times.
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Hitman said:
Trying to save face? Here's your post -
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You can post it as many times as you want, I am not denying what I typed, but doesn't change the fact, not a single Tendulkar century makes the list.

You can cherish Tendulkar's 100s in loses/draws, there's plenty of them!

:)
 
Technics 1210 said:
You can post it as many times as you want, I am not denying what I typed, but doesn't change the fact, not a single Tendulkar century makes the list.

You can cherish Tendulkar's 100s in loses/draws, there's plenty of them!

:)
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I don't have to post it a million times, you have humiliated yourself the very first time as everyone can see.
 
Leave it guys, no point discussing about Tendulkar as this thread is isn't about him. They will call him a non match winner but then won't reply when you tell them <B>he was player of match in winning cause three times vs Pakistan in ICC World Cups</B>, the most by an batsman vs Pakistan. They will skip this part and a week later again start with agenda that Tendulkar was non match winner lol.
 
[MENTION=134981]Bhaag Viru Bhaag[/MENTION]
I thought Pant's career will end like Umar Akmal?

But he already has 5 test hundreds and many clutch performances.

Humble pie has been served.
 
Rishabh Pant was the best Indian batter in the Edgbaston Test against England with a ton and a half-century. Though it was not enough to take India to a win, his performance with the bat was lauded by all. However, his white ball form has not been great. He did not have a stellar IPL and his performance in the T20I series against South Africa was also not that great. With the 2022 T20 World Cup in less than four months' time, Pant's form is going to be crucial.

Commenting on Pant, Gavaskar said that he can be used as an opener and cited Adan Gilchrist's example. "That's not a bad option at all. That's a very good option. Look at what Adam Gilchrist did for Australia in white ball cricket. He used to bat down at No.6 or 7 in Test cricket but open the batting in white ball cricket. He was destructive. Maybe someone like Rishabh Pant can be equally destructive. It might give that many overs to play," Gavaskar said on Sports Today.

"We have been talking about him as a finisher but as a finisher, he sometimes comes in there and starts slamming the ball straightaway and gets out. But here, he will have the awareness that he doesn't have to go bang bang from the first ball. He does have a few deliveries to get used to the pace and movement. Particularly, when you are playing in England there will be a little more movement even with the white ball than say anywhere else. That can actually work in India's favour."

Former India opening batter Aakash Chopra recently praised Pant for his knock at Edgbaston, calling him India's best-ever wicketkeeper-batter.

"Rishabh Pant is India's best ever wicket-keeper batter in ‘Tests' …and he's not even 25 yet. The number of Test match defining innings he's played in just 30 matches is simply sensational," tweeted Chopra.

NDTV
 
Scrolling through this thread you can easily recognize those posters who don't have a clue about cricketing talent

:inti is top on that list.
Tells us that time spend on cricket forums isn't proportional to cricketing knowledge.
 
Scrolling through this thread you can easily tell there are only handful(max 2) posters who stand by Pant when he fails 7 out of 10 times. Rest of them only come out of their cave when he scores. One such poster is just above this post. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Scrolling through this thread you can easily tell there are only handful(max 2) posters who stand by Pant when he fails 7 out of 10 times. Rest of them only come out of their cave when he scores. One such poster is just above this post. :inti
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I stand by him when he fails as well as long as that failure is not prolonged and affects the teams chances. He playes with unhibited freedom, is a delight to behold, has a twinkel in his eye, does not sledge like a maniac, and overall is a refreshing breath of fresh air to world cricket. a pity he does not shine in white ball cricket.
it was mentioned above that 100's in lost matches have nil or very less value. For me his innings in edgbaston and also the one in the saffer test earlier this year were scored in difficult circumstances when a lot was against him. It shows the mental make up of the guy that he has the fortitude to dominate bowlers and find unique ways of scoring against the best. The sight of him charging grumpy Jim not only in edgbaston but also at lords and the oval putting the pepper up jim grump's nose was terrific viewing and not many guys playing world cricket can do that. On eng pitches in eng conditions. u need jazba to do that and besides, he is terrific entertainment in itself when keeping.
i remeber Steve waugh once saying his best was the 96 or something he got against the peak of waqar and wasim , the innings in which he deflected the ball off his gloves, helmet onto his pads and onto his wicket. Such efforts are heart breaking but the true cricket fan will remember this just like the true cricket fan will remember the battering brett lee received at the hands of flintoff , jones and co in the 2005 test which aust losts, but it was heroic effort.I wold put Misbah - 2007 T20 WC finals in the same basket.
Not every fan is a fair weather fan m8, there are many who watch for the sheer love and competitiveness - leave alone the nationalistic jingoism.
 
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jeeteshssaxena said:
If you think Pant's innings was a stat padding one, then stop watching cricket, it's not your cup of tea.
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Pants century vs England, in a loss, has no meaning other than helping his stats. Fact. Don’t deny you will come back one day and cite his meaningless 100 other than claim he has x number of international centuries when comparing with other wicket-keeper batsman.

If you cannot follow or understand the comments, then perhaps you should stop reading forums and give up on intelligence altogether.
 
Ab Fan said:
Absolutely comical post. Pant didn't lost the test match, that instance was not even qualified to be called as "dropped catch". The very fact that you are highlighting it tells us about your biasedness against Pant. He was one of the shinning spark of that test for India and there were only few of them. The drop catch was the one by Vihari.

Pant is a very good keeper and he has kept and taken a lot of catches to Indian spinners on turning wickets. He is a very good keeper and as a batsman he is at different level to other Asian keepers. If someone is dropping a lot of catches then he won't be getting to fastest to 100 dismissals record. He is right up there with the greatest Asian test keeper batsman and it is only a matter of him sustaining the form and maintaining the average of 40+ over his career to become one.
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Looks like am not the only one stating its a dropped catch please look below and its obvious you didn't watch the whole test.

https://newsbust.in/vihari-pant-dro...tch-of-bairstow-british-need-119-runs-to-win/

Okay so he has 100 dismissals the quickiest Indian does that mean he's as good as Dhoni as a captain.How many has he dropped ?.Even ponting wasn't go impressed with his keeping.
 
Pant threw away his wicket in the second innings after being so well set on a flat wicket which was criminal. His soft dismissal was the turning point of the match.
 
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