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Guess what those who avoided this thread during WT20 and South African tour are back now. Bunch of glory hunters. :inti
 
Ab Fan said:
Agreed completely. It is basically a case which happens when one's ego become so big that he is not even willing to accept that 1+1 = 2 and keep arguing and criticising for the same even though may end up looking like a fool.
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I will tell you who looks like a fool here. He is the one who keeps reminding everyone of Pant's inning at Gabba and how he is similar to Virender Sehwag in every alternate post. Just check his last 10 posts regarding Pant. :91: :inti
 
pillionrider said:
I'm guessing the silence here is natural because Pant is used to silencing people :inti
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Yeah what an inning against the mighty Sri Lankan bowling attack. :91:

Where were you when we were discussing his bad innings here? Or are you only going to participate in this thread when he performs? :inti
 
Unleashed said:
There just seems to be one *****(the one with Sehwag as his DP) who seems to be doubting him but to be fair he's a "special" kid. Rest have no reason to doubt him.
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Are you alright? Is everything ok at your home lol? Why do you keep abusing fellow posters and get away easily? This is not the first time you have abused a fellow poster here. :rabada2

Guys like you think that you have a right to abuse anyone you want just because the other guy's opinion doesn't align with yours. :inti
 
Indian wicket-keeper batter Rishabh Pant continued his excellent form in Test cricket during the recently concluded series between India and Sri Lanka. Pant picked up the Player of the Series (POTS) award after scoring 185 runs in three innings at an average of 61.66 and a phenomenal strike-rate of 120.21.

In the first Test of the series at Mohali's Punjab Cricket Association (PCA) Stadium, Pant scored a phenomenal knock of 96 in just 97 balls to help India post a massive first innings total of 574 on the board. In the second Test at Bengaluru which was a pink-ball Test, the left-handed batter a quick-fire of 39 in just 26 balls in the first innings on a pitch where batters was struggling to get going.

In the second innings of the same match, Pant bettered his tally with a brilliant half-century. Pant reached the landmark in just 28 balls and in process registered the record for scoring the fastest half-century by an Indian. He broke Kapil Dev's long-standing record. The former Indian skipper had scored a 30-ball half-century against Pakistan in 1982.

By winning the POTS award, Pant became the first Indian wicketkeeper to do the same in the history of Test cricket. Even legendary Indian cricketer MS Dhoni had never achieved this unique feat. Pant joined Australian great Adam Gilchrist in the elusive list of wicket-keepers to have won the award in a Test series.

Pant will now resume his leadership duties with Indian Premier League (IPL) franchise Delhi Capitals (DC). DC will open their campaign against five-time champions Mumbai Indians on March 27 at Mumbai's Brabourne Stadium.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...am-gilchrist-in-elusive-list-article-90221762
 
Major said:
ANd pant stays overrated.... Rizwan saves a test here
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lol why bring Pant in on a day when you should be happy with Rizwan's knock.

On this though, you do realize Pant saved a test IN Australia before he went on to win India a test in the same series :rp
 
pillionrider said:
lol why bring Pant in on a day when you should be happy with Rizwan's knock.

On this though, you do realize Pant saved a test IN Australia before he went on to win India a test in the same series :rp
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Pant is awesome in the iconic knocks he's played / will likely continue to produce. That said Rizwan really continues to exceeded expectations, and I do think the comparisons with pant are not as ridiculous as they seemed before :p
 
Cover Drive Six said:
And Rizwan saved a test match at home on a Flat Track...Pant own Tests in SENA

Pant SENA 100s >> Rizwan+Babar
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keep saying that. pants is no where near Rizwan. Rizwan is a legend in the making.

pants is just an over rated ipl player.

Indian fans used to bash rizwan for not being good in test andd there you go.
 
Major said:
keep saying that. pants is no where near Rizwan. Rizwan is a legend in the making.

pants is just an over rated ipl player.

Indian fans used to bash rizwan for not being good in test andd there you go.
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You need to prove with stats rather than rantings.
 
At the moment it's neck and neck but Pant has a far higher ceiling because he has raw ability, whereas Rizwan has had to work for it.

If Pant can fulfil his potential and work just as hard as Rizwan (and keep fit) he can overtake Gilchrist as the greatest wicketkeeper batsman of all time.
 
Rizwan works better for weaker Test teams with less number of reliable batters as he's a solid consistent player.

For stronger teams, a maniac like Pant would be of more use as he can bury an opponent in a session.

Different players. Different expectations. So far, both of them doing their jobs pretty well. Can't really say who is "better" as it's a very subjective term.
 
Lol comparing Rizwan to Pant is like comparing Rahul to Babar.

Pant is in a different league altogether. He has played 20 of his 30 tests in SENA.
 
I am not a fan of Pant; his style of batting is just not appealing to me.

However, in my opinion, he has put in stronger numbers in tougher conditions. His performance in Australia was something special and until Rizwan replicates, or surpass, such performances, I think Pant will be ahead.
 
Why cant we just enjoy two different players both who are quality rather than this silly comparison all the time
 
Rizwan is a great player and has played an invaluable innings today to save the test. This is the time to enjoy and celebrate. What is need for these Pant-Rizwan (Ind-Pak) threads?
 
The time pant has in his disposal to play a ball is great ...but Rizwan is a consistent performer ..In a long run stats will be in Rizwans side and opposition will fear pant more than Rizwan..
 
Mesozoic said:
Rizwan works better for weaker Test teams with less number of reliable batters as he's a solid consistent player.

For stronger teams, a maniac like Pant would be of more use as he can bury an opponent in a session.

Different players. Different expectations. So far, both of them doing their jobs pretty well. Can't really say who is "better" as it's a very subjective term.
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It's simple. Overall and all formats combined, Rizwan is clearly better at the moment.

In tests Pant is slightly ahead because he gets to play against bigger teams regularly. Still his record against NZ, SA, WI and Eng isn't that great. Also he is a maniac who destroys his team more than the opposition especially in LOIs. :inti
 
Major said:
rizwan has an avg of 46 in test, Pant 40.

Hence, Rizwan better
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Rizwan averages 43 not 46 and he isn’t better in tests a batsman who can score quickly and win matches is always better than an accumulator or defensive one.
 
As I said in past, I am again proven right here. Rizwan is so good that he would walk into the current Indian test team even in the presence of Rishabh Pant. That's how good he is and vice versa applies for Pant to Pakistan test team too.

Had Pant been batting instead of Fawad, Pakistan would have created history and produced the win for the ages. Nevertheless, this draw is also one which is now registered in history and they can whine it for few years for sure, probably longer than the 152/0 nonsensical stuff from the nonsense format.

In an Indo-Pak current test XI, I will have Babar at 3, Pant batting at 5 and Rizwan at 6 with gloves on.
 
Cric1234 said:
Rizwan averages 43 not 46 and he isn’t better in tests a batsman who can score quickly and win matches is always better than an accumulator or defensive one.
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Not really, depends on team vonoisu, no way pant would have survived today, different roles different type of players.
 
The difference is mentality. Pant did go for the win with only 3 wickets in hand and breached their fortress whereas Rizwan played for the draw from the word go and defended his home fortress.
 
DRsohail said:
His style of play is not defence, he would have surely palyed some agressive strokes ,but 177 balls with tailedenders on other hand ,I don't think he would have done it
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He did show patience in Gabba and has on other occasions. The pitch was flat anyway
 
Saurav said:
He did show patience in Gabba and has on other occasions. The pitch was flat anyway
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It was not easy , his gabba innigs was an agressive one, knowing he can reach the target.Here Rizwan played an entirely different role, we thought Faheem will be the man for us to play role like Pnat does for India but looks like he is not .
 
DRsohail said:
It was not easy , his gabba innigs was an agressive one, knowing he can reach the target.Here Rizwan played an entirely different role, we thought Faheem will be the man for us to play role like Pnat does for India but looks like he is not .
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Gabba knock was not aggressive from start. I clearly he got his 50 on his 100th ball. Accelerated after that.

Rizwan played great but conditions were easier. No reason Pant couldn't do that too.

Faheem is more like Jadeja I guess :P
 
Saurav said:
Gabba knock was not aggressive from start. I clearly he got his 50 on his 100th ball. Accelerated after that.

Rizwan played great but conditions were easier. No reason Pant couldn't do that too.

Faheem is more like Jadeja I guess :P
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This thread has no basis. Pant is not overrated. Conditions in Gabba were harder? its a known flat track in the world.
 
Pakhs said:
This thread has no basis. Pant is not overrated. Conditions in Gabba were harder? its a known flat track in the world.
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Its definitely harder than Karachi. Known for pace and bounce which why Aus haven't lost there in 30 years except v India.
 
Pant will go down as the greatest wicket Keeper batsmen ever..

he’s currently the best explosive batsmen in the modern era and is also a joy to watch and has already won many a big game for his country and will win many more.

Will defo go down as a great

only if Pakistan produced half the bastmen India produce
 
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Saurav said:
Its definitely harder than Karachi. Known for pace and bounce which why Aus haven't lost there in 30 years except v India.
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Karachi is also known for reverse swing and Pakistan has a great record. Batsmen in general have a good record in Gabba and its known to be one of the flattest tracks in Australia.

Pant innings (a great innings ) is further glorified due to the fact Australia generally don't lose at the Gaba but on that occasion they did mostly because of their issue of not being able to get teams bowled out on last day. Their spinners are simply not as great as they think. Lyon actually a better first innings bowler than last innings where he doesn't get as much consistent fast bounce as the pitches slow down.
 
Wahid1234 said:
Pant will go down as the greatest wicket Keeper batsmen ever..

he’s currently the best explosive batsmen in the modern era and is also a joy to watch and has already won many a big game for his country and will win many more.

Will defo go down as a great

only if Pakistan produced half the bastmen India produce
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That's a big statement, I don't think he is at the same level as Sanagakara or Gilchrist who are the top two ever when it comes to WK batsmen.

He can be definitely aim to finish right behind them. Bairstow and Rizwan can also aim to do the same.
 
Cric1234 said:
Rizwan averages 43 not 46 and he isn’t better in tests a batsman who can score quickly and win matches is always better than an accumulator or defensive one.
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46.

Lets see if pants is able to cross his avg.... Knowing how usless he is i doubt it
 
Pakhs said:
That's a big statement, I don't think he is at the same level as Sanagakara or Gilchrist who are the top two ever when it comes to WK batsmen.

He can be definitely aim to finish right behind them. Bairstow and Rizwan can also aim to do the same.
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Sangakkara don't belong to top two wkt batsman. If we are going by stats then AB de Villiers averaged a mammoth 58 while keeping gloves, Gilchrist averages 47, Flower 53 and Sangakkara 40. In past, Alan Knott was regarded as greatest keeper batsman before Gilchrist.
 
Different player with different approach. Can't compare easily since both are doing good as of now.

But one thing for sure, If Pant had played 177 balls today instead of Rizwan, Pak would've won the match.
 
Starboy said:
Pant is yet to play a long innings in Test, thats the real test for any batter
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Which long inning Rizwan has played in test so far compared to Pant?

Riz played 177 balls today and in his maiden century some 204 balls.
Pant scored some 159 runs in 189 balls against Australia in Sydney 2019 when he was 21-22 years old.
Hardly a difference of 15 balls.
Please share if Riz or Pant has played any longer inning in terms of deliveries.
 
Saurav said:
As did Rizwan today
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But Pant is known for gifting his wicket away. I have lost count of how many times Pant has thrown his wicket away in crunch situations of the match. Rizwan on the other hand doesn't gift his wicket away like that and plays responsibly. :inti
 
Major said:
46.

Lets see if pants is able to cross his avg.... Knowing how usless he is i doubt it
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Rizwans will come down in the future it’s not all about average but impact Pants innings have more impact Rizwan is steady but won’t make a quick 50 or 100 to win a match.
 
Cric1234 said:
Rizwans will come down in the future it’s not all about average but impact Pants innings have more impact Rizwan is steady but won’t make a quick 50 or 100 to win a match.
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Plz comeback when the avg of pants crosses...

The audacity of indians to even say pants is the future Gilchrist
 
Mean&Green said:
Lol ur just sore pant can’t survive 600+ balls to save his life ever
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He doesn't need to. He would win his team the match long before that.

Drawing match at home on a slow low pitch and talking as if you guys have beaten Australia at perth or gabba.
 
Snowflake said:
It's statements like these that really derail a logical argument/discussion.
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I have always been right in terms of my cricketing knowledge and points and after following cricket for over 3 decades I can say Pant will go down as the greatest wicket Keeper batsmen ever barring no injuries.

The guy is a freak of a player and will surpass sangakarra and Gilchrist hands down.. I identified Kohli as the greatest ever player in the u19 days and the rest is history.. just listen to what I say as there is no argument
 
topspin said:
At the moment it's neck and neck but Pant has a far higher ceiling because he has raw ability, whereas Rizwan has had to work for it.

If Pant can fulfil his potential and work just as hard as Rizwan (and keep fit) he can overtake Gilchrist as the greatest wicketkeeper batsman of all time.
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I should add Pant is only 24. Rizwan is 29. 5 years ago, Rizwan was struggling because of his technical issues.

Pant hasn't even reached his peak. Rizwan is in the very middle of it.

I love Rizwan, I really do, he's a blessing for Pakistan cricket when you consider all the predecessors we've had to contend with.

But Pakistan fans need to accept the hard reality. Pant is better and is only going up. Rizwan's has another 3-4 years (at most) in his peak.
 
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topspin said:
I should add Pant is only 24. Rizwan is 29. 5 years ago, Rizwan was struggling because of his technical issues.

Pant hasn't even reached his peak. Rizwan is in the very middle of it.

I love Rizwan, I really do, he's a blessing for Pakistan cricket when you consider all the predecessors we've had to contend with.

But Pakistan fans need to accept the hard reality. Pant is better and is only going up. Rizwan's has another 3-4 years (at most) in his peak.
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Exactly spot on. This is exactly what I keep telling everyone.

Pant will go down as the greatest wicket keeper batsmen of all time that’s the difference to compare him too rizwan is beyond a joke lol.
 
Ab Fan said:
Sangakkara don't belong to top two wkt batsman. If we are going by stats then AB de Villiers averaged a mammoth 58 while keeping gloves, Gilchrist averages 47, Flower 53 and Sangakkara 40. In past, Alan Knott was regarded as greatest keeper batsman before Gilchrist.
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Sanagakara kept wicket long enough and was a good enough keeper to be classed as specialist, I dont know how Pant career will pan out still a long way to go but there is a good chance it may go the same way where he gives up keeping to improve his batting but no way of knowing this.

Flower was also right up there. AB did not keep for long enough tbh. Best allround keeper is Gilchrist and I don't see Pant averaging 47 over a long career unless he improves his batting massively in the future.

Pant is good but he is actually one of those players who is hit and miss but so far when he hits he hits big. Long term he is probably a 38-42 average batsman.
 
Pakhs said:
Sanagakara kept wicket long enough and was a good enough keeper to be classed as specialist, I dont know how Pant career will pan out still a long way to go but there is a good chance it may go the same way where he gives up keeping to improve his batting but no way of knowing this.

Flower was also right up there. AB did not keep for long enough tbh. Best allround keeper is Gilchrist and I don't see Pant averaging 47 over a long career unless he improves his batting massively in the future.

Pant is good but he is actually one of those players who is hit and miss but so far when he hits he hits big. Long term he is probably a 38-42 average batsman.
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Not really, while doing the averages for WK Bats, you only take the averages in the matches they kept wickets. The physical burden is way more while keeping vs not keeping.
 
Ab Fan said:
As I said in past, I am again proven right here. Rizwan is so good that he would walk into the current Indian test team even in the presence of Rishabh Pant. That's how good he is and vice versa applies for Pant to Pakistan test team too.

Had Pant been batting instead of Fawad, Pakistan would have created history and produced the win for the ages. Nevertheless, this draw is also one which is now registered in history and they can whine it for few years for sure, probably longer than the 152/0 nonsensical stuff from the nonsense format.

In an Indo-Pak current test XI, I will have Babar at 3, Pant batting at 5 and Rizwan at 6 with gloves on.
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Atleast you admit Rizwan is a better wicket keeper batesman.
 
This Pant vs. Rizwan seems to be a big debate.

But people are forgetting one big issue. We are comparing Rizwan who is almost 30 yrs old, which means he is at the middle of his peak (28-32 being peak years) to Pant who is just 24 and still far away from his peak.

So have to see where Pant is in 6 years time. Compare that Pant to current Rizwan. Because currently Pant is just out of the "kid" range age wise.
 
topspin said:
I should add Pant is only 24. Rizwan is 29. 5 years ago, Rizwan was struggling because of his technical issues.

Pant hasn't even reached his peak. Rizwan is in the very middle of it.

I love Rizwan, I really do, he's a blessing for Pakistan cricket when you consider all the predecessors we've had to contend with.

But Pakistan fans need to accept the hard reality. Pant is better and is only going up. Rizwan's has another 3-4 years (at most) in his peak.
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Just read your post. The exact point I made in post #1903.

I would say Rizwan has another 2 years of peak. Most player's peak is between 28-32 before their reflexes start to go. Pant is still 6 years away from start of his peak.

Also, I think Pant will end up with more dismissals than Rizwan. He already has twice the number of catches and more stumpings. And Pant has another 14 or so years to go, while Rizwan I would say has about 5-6 years.

Having said that, both are very good cricketers. Let's enjoy watching them.
 
Major said:
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Lets see if pants is able to cross his avg.... Knowing how usless he is i doubt it
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I would say the Rizwan-Pant comparison is premature. They are in different stages of their careers. Rizwan at his peak and Pant far from it.

Today's Rizwan should be compared to Pant 2028.
 
Don’t understand the point of these comparisons. Who cares really. Pant has done some amazing things and so has Rizwan. Both have already in their careers have far exceeded what a keeper/batsman should do.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Pant would've hit a 200 on the flat Phatta pancake which Rizwan scored the 100 against Aus...
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Funny how indian poster are making this claim for a batsmen who has had a battin below 40. Rishab patloon nk where near rizwan
 
Ab Fan said:
Rizwan is better keeper for sure.
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You also said Rizwan could walk into Indian Team and Pant could walk into pakistan team and also states Rizwan is a better keeper so yes Rizwan is a better wicket keeper batesman.
 
shamaan said:
You also said Rizwan could walk into Indian Team and Pant could walk into pakistan team and also states Rizwan is a better keeper so yes Rizwan is a better wicket keeper batesman.
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Wrong conception. Rohit Sharma can also walk into Australian team but this doesn't mean he will be better than Smith.

In a similar manner, Rizwan can walk in place of Shreyas Iyer. But Pant is at a level superior as batsman.
 
Batting/bowling averages are meaningless unless you look at impact.

Jadeja averages same as Stokes with bat. Does that make both equal level with bat?
 
Ab Fan said:
Wrong conception. Rohit Sharma can also walk into Australian team but this doesn't mean he will be better than Smith.

In a similar manner, Rizwan can walk in place of Shreyas Iyer. But Pant is at a level superior as batsman.
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Rohit won't walk to Australian line up next joke please
Just imagine Pant in the field that would be like watching Azam Khan in the field.
 
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