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jeeteshssaxena said:
One century in 25 games is not bad for a middle order player.

Inzi has 10 in 378 games, that's one per 37 matches.

Yuvi has 14 in 304, that is one per 22 games.

I expected this kind of logic from :inti, but who knew that even you are in the same boat as far as cricketing acumen is considered.
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I had enough acumen to call Pant's maiden ODI century early in the match, look up a few posts in the thread. You didn't.

What has Yuvi and Inzi go to do with this thread? I don't remember either being hailed the next Viv Richards etc.

Still, Pant averages 31 in ODIs, he has a long way to go to match Gilly. One swallow doesn't make summer.

:)
 
After this century, a lot will be expected from Pant in LOIs now especially World Cups which will keep this discussion going. :yk2 :inti
 
Technics 1210 said:
I had enough acumen to call Pant's maiden ODI century early in the match, look up a few posts in the thread. You didn't.

What has Yuvi and Inzi go to do with this thread? I don't remember either being hailed the next Viv Richards etc.

Still, Pant averages 31 in ODIs, he has a long way to go to match Gilly. One swallow doesn't make summer.

:)
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Average is 36 now, wait it will get updated wherever you are checking it in an hour or so :inti
 
Pant now averages the same as Yuvraj in ODIs.

Looks like my prediction of Pant being
Adam Gilchrist in test and
Yuvraj in lois is on the track.
 
Shastri: Pant is more mature now

Former India player and coach Ravi Shastri on Rishabh Pant...

"He has realised that because of the reputation he has and the fields that are set that he has 25 runs easy before he starts his innings. With the fielders back he used to take them on straightaway but now he has the maturity to take the single, get used to the track and make up later. His cricketing intelligence [has improved]."
 
Pant champion boy..💞💞💞💞...series on the line...top wickets gone....but he should open....Rohit should play middle order...he can't score everytime....and bye bye to Dhawan and Kohli plz retire although Rohit will support you both till world cup 2023
 
Hope this puts to rest the joke of an idea "Pant needs to open in LOIs". Pant at no.4 is ideal. He just needs to find his game. Like he did today.
 
Technics 1210 said:
I had enough acumen to call Pant's maiden ODI century early in the match, look up a few posts in the thread. You didn't.

What has Yuvi and Inzi go to do with this thread? I don't remember either being hailed the next Viv Richards etc.

Still, Pant averages 31 in ODIs, he has a long way to go to match Gilly. One swallow doesn't make summer.

:)
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Average is almost 37 and SR 110.
WC player.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"A special knock from a special player" 🙌🔥<br><br>Maiden ODI 💯! Rishabh Pant, take a bow 🤩<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/gI0QCWUdQl">pic.twitter.com/gI0QCWUdQl</a></p>— Sky Sports Cricket (@SkyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1548717818497073153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">🌟 "He's a SUPERSTAR in the making, he really is!" 🌟<br><br>What a way to finish it off! Unreal from Rishabh Pant 🙌 <br><br>India beat England by five wickets to win the ODI series 2-1! 🇮🇳 <a href="https://t.co/G9NQJE4DXM">pic.twitter.com/G9NQJE4DXM</a></p>— Sky Sports Cricket (@SkyCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1548719753073664007?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Technics 1210 said:
I had enough acumen to call Pant's maiden ODI century early in the match, look up a few posts in the thread. You didn't.

What has Yuvi and Inzi go to do with this thread? I don't remember either being hailed the next Viv Richards etc.

Still, Pant averages 31 in ODIs, he has a long way to go to match Gilly. One swallow doesn't make summer.

:)
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?? Pant averages over 36 with a SR near 110 in ODIs. If that's not good, then nobody is good
 
As the Poms apparently call him: Rubbish Pants

Can we get a Holler up in here for my man Rohail Nazir


@ Junaids.
 
What a sensational innings from Pant!

Hope he keeps producing these gems on consistent basis.
 
The guy is a sensational talent with the bat. Just needs to stop throwing his wicket away unnecessarily at times. I mean no matter how good a talent is, there is always scope of improvement.
 
Best wicket keeper batsman in the world by formats :-

Tests :-

1. Pant
2. Rizwan
3. Blundell

LOIs :-

1. Buttler
2. Qdk
3. Pant/Rizwan( Pant in ODIs, Rizwan in T20Is as of now)

Overall conclusion :-

1. Pant
2. Rizwan
3. --------( Buttler/Qdk don't play tests, Blundell don't play LOIs)
 
Chasing 260, Reece Topley destroyed India's top order and had them at 72/4, but then Pandya-Pant stitched a match-winning stand of 133 runs.

With this, Pant has joined the league of wicketkeeper-batters like Rahul Dravid and KL Rahul who have scored a century outside Asia in the ODI format.

NDTV
 
Ab Fan said:
Damn, the sponsored are already promoting the T20 World Cup in Australia with Rishabh's name in it :afridi

Talk about reputation this guy is carrying. Hard to believe some guys were debating on his place, here the promo has got Rishabh as the main lead poster for the T20 World Cup:inti
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Are they indirectly forcing India to select Pant for the T20WC? :inti
 
At least he can score when required, unlike the other passengers in the Indian batting order.
 
Moeey said:
Topley
Willey
Carson
Overton
Stokes
Moeen

Lol

Real attack
Wood
Rashid
Archer
Willey
Stokes
Moeen
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Mark Wood, the guy that avgs 42 vs India in LOI

Rashid, the guy that avgs 50 vs India in LOI

Right :salute

Barring Archer none of the so called 'real' attack bowlers would trouble Pant and co.. Heck having Wood and Rashid play might have even brought Virat Kohli back to form and make him actually score some runs :))... Even Archer would be mince meat with Pant in this kind of form....
 
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Already a borderline great as far as wicketkeeper batsman go. Fantastic player.
 
He will either be hated or loved lol but irrespective that was a top knock under the circumstances considering the terrible middle order we have had.
 
James said:
Already a borderline great as far as wicketkeeper batsman go. Fantastic player.
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Sums up very well.

Interesting stats of all keeper batsmen in SENA against SENA.

Pant is right behind Gilly with 5 tons. Now that's with 31 matches. He should get some more in future.

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Don't think Pant is yet at Gilly's level, so don't come after me :warner But if we are going to hold Asian keeper-batsmen to lofty standards, it's only fair if Gilly is held to the same standards. He's not a God after all.

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Technics 1210 said:
Don't think Pant is at Gilly's level? Pant is lightyears behind. There is a small matter of winning 3 WCs.
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Did Gilly win them alone? Gilly currently is obviously better than Pant but with WC logic he will never be ahead.

Thats like saying Steve Waugh is better than IK just because he was winner of 2 Wcs.
 
JaDed said:
Did Gilly win them alone? Gilly currently is obviously better than Pant but with WC logic he will never be ahead.

Thats like saying Steve Waugh is better than IK just because he was winner of 2 Wcs.
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Simmer down.

No one claimed Gilly won 3 WCs on his own, but his contribution sure did help.
 
ravisurya said:
Tom Moody must have been light years ahead of Imran khan considering their is a small matter of winning 2 world cups.
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Try not to paraphrase me. This thread is about Pant. His disciples are comparing him to Gilly.

Apples for apples dear boy.

It's not the amount of runs scored that matters, but when they are scored.

Pant has an opportunity in 2023 WC.

I wait with belated breath.
 
Gilly was 28 when played his first ODI WC for Australia.

Pant will be 25 when he plays his first ODI WC for India.

Pant has a headstart.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Try not to paraphrase me. This thread is about Pant. His disciples are comparing him to Gilly.

Apples for apples dear boy.

It's not the amount of runs scored that matters, but when they are scored.

Pant has an opportunity in 2023 WC.

I wait with belated breath.
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Trying to shift goal posts according to convenience I see. Anyway coming back to the topic Pant has scored runs wheb they matter the most, it was you who brought the world cups won as a parameter.
 
Pant is a fantastic talent and he has done more than most SC batters have done in their careers in Tests but In LOIs he still needs to improve a lot. He needs to be more consistent in the LO formats. The one thing I am happy with Pant is his keeping which has been brilliant over the past year or so. He has the talent and he will surely finish has one of the best Wicket keeper batsman in cricket.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Don't think Pant is at Gilly's level? Pant is lightyears behind.
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You're using the wrong dimension. I'd choose time. Pant is a few years behind Gilly. So long as he keeps his head going, the way he has so far, and doesn't get carried away by whatever the IPL or world might offer him, by the time he retires, he will be a few years ahead of Gilly :warner
 
ravisurya said:
Trying to shift goal posts according to convenience I see. Anyway coming back to the topic Pant has scored runs wheb they matter the most, it was you who brought the world cups won as a parameter.
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Nope. Its you trying to shift the goal post by comparing a batsman with an all-rounder. Try harder next time.

Stick to the comparison made in this thread, between wicket-keeper batsmen. Pant vs. Gilly.

And yes, WCs do matter, ICC tournaments do matter, heck Pant is not even fit to tie the shoe laces of Dhoni at this point.

:)
 
Technics 1210 said:
Nope. Its you trying to shift the goal post by comparing a batsman with an all-rounder. Try harder next time.

Stick to the comparison made in this thread, between wicket-keeper batsmen. Pant vs. Gilly.

And yes, WCs do matter, ICC tournaments do matter, heck Pant is not even fit to tie the shoe laces of Dhoni at this point.

:)
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I think it is premature to compare Pant to Gilly or to even Rizwan. Gilly was great. Rizwan is in his prime. While Pant is just 24. Still about 4 years away from his prime years.

Can only compare Pant 4 years from now to the current Rizwan. Only compare him to Gilly at end of Pant's career.
 
pillionrider said:
You're using the wrong dimension. I'd choose time. Pant is a few years behind Gilly. So long as he keeps his head going, the way he has so far, and doesn't get carried away by whatever the IPL or world might offer him, by the time he retires, he will be a few years ahead of Gilly :warner
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Would be interesting to see stats on where Gilly, Rizwan and Pant were/are at age 24. Because 24 is a young age. Players are still developing.

I say 24 because that is the only option being that Pant is 24. Other two have gone past that.
 
U$ofA said:
I think it is premature to compare Pant to Gilly or to even Rizwan. Gilly was great. Rizwan is in his prime. While Pant is just 24. Still about 4 years away from his prime years.

Can only compare Pant 4 years from now to the current Rizwan. Only compare him to Gilly at end of Pant's career.
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100% agree. But some of the premature comparisons in this thread between Pant and Gilly are just that, premature and emotive drivel.

Pant has time on his side, WC23 will be his second WC, and he has the perfect opportunity to prove his worth in years to come, but his fanbois are taking it to the next level off the back off his maiden ODI century, that too vs an England C Bowling unit.
 
U$ofA said:
Would be interesting to see stats on where Gilly, Rizwan and Pant were/are at age 24. Because 24 is a young age. Players are still developing.

I say 24 because that is the only option being that Pant is 24. Other two have gone past that.
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I think Gilly was 25/26 when he debuted for Australia, so Pant definitely has had a head start.
 
Technics 1210 said:
100% agree. But some of the premature comparisons in this thread between Pant and Gilly are just that, premature and emotive drivel.

Pant has time on his side, WC23 will be his second WC, and he has the perfect opportunity to prove his worth in years to come, but his fanbois are taking it to the next level off the back off his maiden ODI century, that too vs an England C Bowling unit.
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I do have to say that though Pant/Gilly comparison is premature, it is not far fetched.

His is only about 3400 runs and 290 dismissals behind. He has a good 10+ years to get there or beyond.
 
Pant is already India's best test batsman since Kohli and Pujara. I think he has surpassed Rohit and Rahul.
 
Ab Fan said:
Glad you accept that Shreyas Iyer ( average of 46) is a better test batsman than Babar Azam( average of 45) based on your own metrics lol :))

The link as it is already proved was long back. You have already made a mockery of your own argument right there. Ponting won't come out saying the same now because he knows Pant has improved his keeping by miles :inti
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Who says he averages 45 ? :)
It wasn't long back it was only 1 and half years ago not 2 or 3 years.He doesn't need to come out and say if he's good or crap becouse that's his job to keep and should be taking majority of the catches.
 
Pant is once in a generation or two talent. His biggest criticism was his glovework but has improved unbelievably over the last year and half.

He has shored up India s test batting after terrible top order performances. God knows the impact he would have with a reasonably well performing top order.
 
In Test cricket, Pant is on the way to become the next Gilly. There is absolutely no questions about that. His impact at age of 24 has been greater than the impact Gilly had when he was 30 and this is a reality, far from over-hyping anything.

Also, Pant's average of 43 is down to playing mostly the tough series in SENA and hence that average needs to be taken with some context. It is the impact he has in Tests which plays a big role.

In LOIs, Gilchrist was a great due to clutch knockout performance and the fear factor he had. But overall, he too was pretty inconsistent, averaging 36 at strike rate of 96 only. At the moment, it is not fair to compare Pant with Gilchrist in this regard.

But in Test cricket, the comparison is pretty fair. It is same as comparing Babar to Kohli in Tests.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Mark Wood, the guy that avgs 42 vs India in LOI

Rashid, the guy that avgs 50 vs India in LOI

Right :salute

Barring Archer none of the so called 'real' attack bowlers would trouble Pant and co.. Heck having Wood and Rashid play might have even brought Virat Kohli back to form and make him actually score some runs :))... Even Archer would be mince meat with Pant in this kind of form....
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Agree on this.Infact 4 or 5 years ago when I saw Pant bat against bowling of Archer in a IPL match ,I had predicted to my colleagues that Pant will make in to big international cricket.The way he was pulling against Archer to straighter boundaries revealed the time he against quality fast bowling.It is just at times he gets carried away by those fancy shots.
 
Sir Alex said:
He has shored up India s test batting after terrible top order performances. God knows the impact he would have with a reasonably well performing top order.
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Maybe. I would argue on a mental level that an element of his clutch high performance is triggered by the pressurised situations that he often comes in to face. If he regularly came in at 350-4 he might not have the same impact.
 
Ab Fan said:
In Test cricket, Pant is on the way to become the next Gilly. There is absolutely no questions about that. His impact at age of 24 has been greater than the impact Gilly had when he was 30 and this is a reality, far from over-hyping anything.

Also, Pant's average of 43 is down to playing mostly the tough series in SENA and hence that average needs to be taken with some context. It is the impact he has in Tests which plays a big role.

In LOIs, Gilchrist was a great due to clutch knockout performance and the fear factor he had. But overall, he too was pretty inconsistent, averaging 36 at strike rate of 96 only. At the moment, it is not fair to compare Pant with Gilchrist in this regard.

But in Test cricket, the comparison is pretty fair. It is same as comparing Babar to Kohli in Tests.
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Put it this way, whatever Bhag viru Bhag says about a specific talent, the opposite is true.

In this case rishab is world class and will remain the best keeper bat in the world for many years to come.
 
Ab Fan said:
In Test cricket, Pant is on the way to become the next Gilly. There is absolutely no questions about that. His impact at age of 24 has been greater than the impact Gilly had when he was 30 and this is a reality, far from over-hyping anything.

Also, Pant's average of 43 is down to playing mostly the tough series in SENA and hence that average needs to be taken with some context. It is the impact he has in Tests which plays a big role.

In LOIs, Gilchrist was a great due to clutch knockout performance and the fear factor he had. But overall, he too was pretty inconsistent, averaging 36 at strike rate of 96 only. At the moment, it is not fair to compare Pant with Gilchrist in this regard.

But in Test cricket, the comparison is pretty fair. It is same as comparing Babar to Kohli in Tests.
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I have watched Gilly . Gilly was a v good keeper whose bathing against pace was better than against spin . He had a few imp knocks in tests and odi .

Pant keeping now at par with the best - he has improved to that extent . In tests he has surpassed gillly ( win in aussie , draw in England , win in aussie .. he has a good ten years more and by time he retires , he will have impacts in matches like lara - lara is the only batter I can compare him with . Lara was exceptional against pace and spin and just the best . But the rate at which these guys can score is phenomenal which changes games .

In odi , he now has found his place to bat . In t20 , it’s a matter of time - the current indian setup of emphasis of strike rate over avg is exactly what the doctor ordered .

He is the greatest wicket keeper batsman in tests for sure . Odi - he will be in top 5 of all time ( dhoni and Gilly will be ahead just cos they would have played more odi then him )
T20- will remain impactful but hard to predict how good he will be
 
docteurmanish said:
Lara was exceptional against pace and spin and just the best .
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Lara was not good against the quick bowlers, if you look at his record vs Mcgrath, Lee & Gillespie in Aus, he avgs something like 34.

He doesn't have a 100 against Allan Donald and had a lot of trouble against Wasim, even Srinath used to trouble him.

He was however the best batsmen I have seen against OFFSPIN..
 
docteurmanish said:
I have watched Gilly . Gilly was a v good keeper whose bathing against pace was better than against spin . He had a few imp knocks in tests and odi .

Pant keeping now at par with the best - he has improved to that extent . In tests he has surpassed gillly ( win in aussie , draw in England , win in aussie .. he has a good ten years more and by time he retires , he will have impacts in matches like lara - lara is the only batter I can compare him with . Lara was exceptional against pace and spin and just the best . But the rate at which these guys can score is phenomenal which changes games .

In odi , he now has found his place to bat . In t20 , it’s a matter of time - the current indian setup of emphasis of strike rate over avg is exactly what the doctor ordered .

He is the greatest wicket keeper batsman in tests for sure . Odi - he will be in top 5 of all time ( dhoni and Gilly will be ahead just cos they would have played more odi then him )
T20- will remain impactful but hard to predict how good he will be
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Pant strike rate in t20s is 124 ?
 
Highest scores for Rishabh Pant in T20Is - all four coming against West Indies:

65*(42) Providence 2019
58(38) Kolkata 2018
52*(28) Kolkata 2022
44(31) Lauderhill 2022
 
During the 4th T20I vs WI in Florida:

After producing one-handed sixes and falling sweep-pulls, he dished out a new shot – an outrageous slap shot against a wide length delivery. He hit Obed McCoy over extra-cover in his maverick batting approach against the home side.

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Romali_rotti said:
Lara was not good against the quick bowlers, if you look at his record vs Mcgrath, Lee & Gillespie in Aus, he avgs something like 34.

He doesn't have a 100 against Allan Donald and had a lot of trouble against Wasim, even Srinath used to trouble him.

He was however the best batsmen I have seen against OFFSPIN..
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Lara was single handed with extreme poor players around him . He never had a dravid or a sehwag or a laxman to back him .

He was always there at 20 for 2 against rampant aussie attack . He was exceptional and no doubt the most fun to watch . Belonging to a poor batting lineup did hamper him . A good set of openers might have helped him do better .
 
Most matches his sr is at par or higher than his other indian batters . He doesn’t waste deliveries and goes after bowlers ,
Teams don’t like or want to face certain batters .

Pant , sehwag , Gilchrist etc are few of them . Their ability to strike fear is a dimension one should never forget . Nobody afraid of ishan kishan or shreya Ayer ,

SKy pant and to some extent Rohit are the batters opposition teams fear . Indians only fear having Kohli in our lineup as he becomes the 12 th man for opposition teams
 
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As Pant came to meet Afridi, the Pakistan pacer hilariously said, "Yaar main soch raha hu aapki tarah bas batting shuru kar du, ek haath se chhakke lagaau (I'm thinking of becoming a batter like you, start hitting sixes with a single hand).

Pant, then, hilariousy replied, 'fast bowler ho toh effort lagaana padega sir! Compulsory hai (If you're a fast bowler, you have to put in efforts. It's compulsory). The Indian wicketkeeper then asked Afridi on how long would it take for him to recover, to which the Pakistan pacer replied, "5 weeks."
 
One shudders to think what Pant would have done to the Pak attack today :D
 
Gautam Gambhir:

"I won't experiment from now on because how many games do we have… this Asia Cup? And then you've got what… five more games, six more games and then the World Cup. From now on, you want a settled Playing XI. Yes, you can have your backups as well but that is the way I would have wanted. It is a bit of a surprise because Rishabh Pant has been an X-factor,"

"You need a left-handed in the middle order. India have a lot of right-handers there, which is one-dimensional. And he has done reasonably well. He can be someone who can open the game for you and he can be a floater as well. A bit surprising but I hope it is not long-term. I will still back Rishabh Pant ahead of Dinesh Karthik. It's a massive surprise."

"It was a tough call we had to take between playing Dinesh and Rishabh, Rishabh sadly misses out. And Avesh makes it as the third seamer," he said.

"This is an important game for us, but as cricketers we don't want to think about the opposition, we just want to correct whatever mistakes we are doing."

https://sports.ndtv.com/asia-cup-20...ropping-rishabh-pant-against-pakistan-3295680
 
MenInG said:
Gautam Gambhir:

"I won't experiment from now on because how many games do we have… this Asia Cup? And then you've got what… five more games, six more games and then the World Cup. From now on, you want a settled Playing XI. Yes, you can have your backups as well but that is the way I would have wanted. It is a bit of a surprise because Rishabh Pant has been an X-factor,"

"You need a left-handed in the middle order. India have a lot of right-handers there, which is one-dimensional. And he has done reasonably well. He can be someone who can open the game for you and he can be a floater as well. A bit surprising but I hope it is not long-term. I will still back Rishabh Pant ahead of Dinesh Karthik. It's a massive surprise."

"It was a tough call we had to take between playing Dinesh and Rishabh, Rishabh sadly misses out. And Avesh makes it as the third seamer," he said.

"This is an important game for us, but as cricketers we don't want to think about the opposition, we just want to correct whatever mistakes we are doing."

https://sports.ndtv.com/asia-cup-20...ropping-rishabh-pant-against-pakistan-3295680
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Actually Irfan Pathan defended this decision brilliantly yesterday..
 
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