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Ab Fan said:
He will get his chances but only when 3-4 players are rested/injured.

At moment, correct me if I am wrong, the names that are ahead of him in reckoning are :

Rohit
Rahul
Kohli
Pant
KL
S Iyer
SKY
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In odi Sanju's rival is SKY coz selectors looking to slot Sanju in no. 5/6.. all others are top order bat (Sanju too).. btw who is KL? (you already mentions Rahul).. if its kishan then out of Pant, Iyer, Kishan and Gill only two of them play untill Rohit & Kohli is there..
 
Smbhayi said:
In odi Sanju's rival is SKY coz selectors looking to slot Sanju in no. 5/6.. all others are top order bat (Sanju too).. btw who is KL? (you already mentions Rahul).. if its kishan then out of Pant, Iyer, Kishan and Gill only two of them play untill Rohit & Kohli is there..
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I will take Sanju over Kishan too.

Yes correction, Gill or Dhawan as opener, not Rahul. Rahul is at 5.

Btw Sanju and SKY, it is debatable.

So, you have Rohit, Gill, Dhawan, Kohli, Pant, S Iyer, KL Rahul ahead for five slots. Then you have Samson, SKY and Kishan.

For Pandya's slot, Sundar and Hooda are backups.
 
India missed the trick here by not playing Pant. Let's see how it comes out. :inti
 
[MENTION=151383]Local.Dada[/MENTION]

Our team management is too dumb. They should drop minnow basher Rahul for the X factor pant.

This is what you said. So please tell on what basis Rahul should be dropped for Pant? You want to present counter arguments here then do give me stats and Pant's performances in his T20I career so far.

Indian team got enough matches to experiment before the world cup and they experimented with Pant as an opener in some matches but he didn't do anything special there too. :inti
 
Our Team Management is definitely the dumbest out there in international cricket.

I mean how can you not play Pant in Australian conditions ?

If India wins this world cup , it can only happen if Pant is in our lineup as an opener ahead of Kl Rahul, drop Rahul or even let him play at DK's position , bcoz he has all the shots and can do everything that DK is capable of.

We have seen that KL Rahul bats brilliantly in ODIs at n0.5 , even in important matches, and whenever he comes back to open he generally fails or plays at below par str rate, so why can;t the TM realise this and ask him to play in the middle or lower middle order?

Pant is a bazooka, he is the real deal , anyone who actually understands cricket knows that he is the clutchest player out there in international cricket, still we go with Rahul as an opener and DK at 6.

India doesn't deserve to win this world cup if they don't realise this, it is criminal to not play him.

He is the Arjuna of Indian Cricket, undefeated , unrivalled and dependable in the worst of situations. with Kohli being Karna.
:aag
 
It's like fighting with a knife when you have a bazooka in your arsenal, I won't care if India loses this world cup if they again commit the mistake of not playing Pant.

Please Unleash the beast !!!
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It's like fighting with a knife when you have a bazooka in your arsenal, I won't care if India loses this world cup if they again commit the mistake of not playing Pant.

Please Unleash the beast !!!
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There are enough haters and logic-holders who are against him! Give him the biggest challenge he will come back! Yes, Australian conditions were the perfect to kick-start his T20 International Career...

Let's see he should hopefully play from the next game (we have not lost any matches yet thankfully!) Rahul's failure should open the doors. Yes I won't mind if Rahul plays in DK's position... But I don't think our team management can think so dynamically! They will be conservative...
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It's like fighting with a knife when you have a bazooka in your arsenal, I won't care if India loses this world cup if they again commit the mistake of not playing Pant.

Please Unleash the beast !!!
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Until he plays one such inning he is not a beast in this format. From a very large sample, we have seen so far he needs time to settle down to make clean connections. That doesn't mean DK is any good. He can go from ball one. But he is unreliable and fidgety. Pant's one advantage is he is left hander. But his strike rate against left arm spinner is 95 or something. That is very poor.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Until he plays one such inning he is not a beast in this format. From a very large sample, we have seen so far he needs time to settle down to make clean connections. That doesn't mean DK is any good. He can go from ball one. But he is unreliable and fidgety. Pant's one advantage is he is left hander. But his strike rate against left arm spinner is 95 or something. That is very poor.
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Should he play "that innings" in the nets?
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Our Team Management is definitely the dumbest out there in international cricket.

I mean how can you not play Pant in Australian conditions ?

If India wins this world cup , it can only happen if Pant is in our lineup as an opener ahead of Kl Rahul, drop Rahul or even let him play at DK's position , bcoz he has all the shots and can do everything that DK is capable of.

We have seen that KL Rahul bats brilliantly in ODIs at n0.5 , even in important matches, and whenever he comes back to open he generally fails or plays at below par str rate, so why can;t the TM realise this and ask him to play in the middle or lower middle order?

Pant is a bazooka, he is the real deal , anyone who actually understands cricket knows that he is the clutchest player out there in international cricket, still we go with Rahul as an opener and DK at 6.

India doesn't deserve to win this world cup if they don't realise this, it is criminal to not play him.

He is the Arjuna of Indian Cricket, undefeated , unrivalled and dependable in the worst of situations. with Kohli being Karna.
:aag
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Arjuna Phalguna….nice comedy man….Pant is useless in t20 cricket…should be out of the squad….but he is a goat batsman in Tests and ODI, I agree.
 
At this point both Pant and DK are not good enough for different reasons. I don't trust either of them. At the same time both have the capability to surprise us. DK has done it a couple of times. Also in the IPL he finished quiet a lot of games against seamers. Probably not the best choice against spinners. But how often you see a spinner bowling end overs. Hope whoever plays surprises us. I don't mind playing both. But that would mean will play only 5 bowlers.
 
WengerOut said:
Should he play "that innings" in the nets?
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Did he play 62 T20Is in the nets lol? Why are you ignoring those performances? Even if he plays one good inning here and there that won't change the fact that he has flopped badly in T20Is. This bazooka's top 3 scores in T20s have come against West Indies. :facepalm :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Did he play 62 T20Is in the nets lol? Why are you ignoring those performances? Even if he plays one good inning here and there that won't change the fact that he has flopped badly in T20Is. This bazooka's top 3 scores in T20s have come against West Indies. :facepalm :inti
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He is in squad right. So as a left hander, he should play. He has prev good experience in Aus and he is capable of handling bouncy conditions. Being a left hander means opponents need to be vary of ground dimensions as well.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He played against Western Australia as openers. 2 Games


First match 9(11)
Second match 9(16)
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And how did DK, Axar etc perform in those? They got 2 matches in WC. Both of them were atrocious against Pakistan. Axar performed in Sydney when it was favourable. Pretty sure he wont be selected in Perth against lefties of SA. DK has been a failure for 15 years almost. It is a travesty that he got selected over Sanju just because he scored couple of fifties in SC conditions.
 
WengerOut said:
And how did DK, Axar etc perform in those? They got 2 matches in WC. Both of them were atrocious against Pakistan. Axar performed in Sydney when it was favourable. Pretty sure he wont be selected in Perth against lefties of SA. DK has been a failure for 15 years almost. It is a travesty that he got selected over Sanju just because he scored couple of fifties in SC conditions.
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Pant's performance against left arm spinners in T20Is is 88 balls 87 runs 9 times dismissed. Strike rate under 100.

Dinesh karthik's performance against left arm spinners in T20Is 49 balls 61 runs 3 times dismissed Strike rate around 125.

In my view both are poor. But Dk's role is mainly to face seamers. We are confusing between Pant's dominating cricket left arm spinners in Tests and T20Is. Sure he has unbelievable record against left arm spinners in Tests. 218 balls 292 runs strike rate 133. But in T20Is with defensive field set and defensive dart type of bowling he is not able to impose himself the same way.
Dinesh karthik
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pant's performance against left arm spinners in T20Is is 88 balls 87 runs 9 times dismissed. Strike rate under 100.

Dinesh karthik's performance against left arm spinners in T20Is 49 balls 61 runs 3 times dismissed Strike rate around 125.

In my view both are poor. But Dk's role is mainly to face seamers. We are confusing between Pant's dominating cricket left arm spinners in Tests and T20Is. Sure he has unbelievable record against left arm spinners in Tests. 218 balls 292 runs strike rate 133. But in T20Is with defensive field set and defensive dart type of bowling he is not able to impose himself the same way.
Dinesh karthik
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I understand this if he was not in the squad for WC. He is in the squad, he has prev exp in Aus, match is in Perth where fast bowling would be the staple etc. I have more faith in him coming good against left arm slow rather than DK against fast bowling.
 
WengerOut said:
He is in squad right. So as a left hander, he should play. He has prev good experience in Aus and he is capable of handling bouncy conditions. Being a left hander means opponents need to be vary of ground dimensions as well.
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In the pre-match press conference, Vikram Rathor was asked whether Pant would get a chance in place of Rahul. To this he replied “No, we’re not really thinking that. Two matches, I don’t think that’s right. He’s batting really well and he’s batted really well in the practice matches. So we Don’t see anything like that at the moment.”

https://credenttv.com/will-rishabh-...ahul-batting-coach-vikram-rathore-denied/amp/

As I said earlier, Pant can only play in the middle order currently. :inti
 
This is the issue with Rahul Dravid and it's going to be an issue until he's there - rigid thinking. Hai era cricketers think too much of seniority and giving so called fair chances (as if it's someone's birth right to play for India) rather than being a little flexible. The fact that our batting line-up consist of 6 of 7 players who r above 30s says a lot.
 
Wahab Riaz:

"Rishabh Pant is India's best wicketkeeper-batter since MS Dhoni. He even has hundreds in England and Australia. If he was in the Pakistan team, would he sit outside in a World Cup match? No chance. India kept him out for Dinesh Karthik. They know Pant is a good player who will score a lot of runs but he can't be a finisher. At that specific number, they need a finisher. Pant might hit a couple of sixes but if he fails to finish the game, India will lose. That's the way to go"

Mohammad Amir

"The Rishabh Pant - DK example he gave is absolutely spot on. When Ravindra Jadeja was ruled out of the T20 World Cup, they brought in Axar Patel and not another bowler. India belive in match-ups"

[07:13, 31/10/2022] Amir Husain: https://sports.ndtv.com/t20-world-c...t-on-team-selection-for-t20-world-cup-3473881
 
No team on earth (including England, South Africa and Australia) would bench Pant. That's how delusional and rubbish our team management is!
 
RamLakhan said:
No team on earth (including England, South Africa and Australia) would bench Pant. That's how delusional and rubbish our team management is!
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You are the one who looks delusional here. It is Pant's own fault that he didn't make use of so many opportunities he got from the team management. You won't cry for Samson and Kishan who got less opportunities but surely for Pant who has been a failure in this format. 62 matches are not good enough for you here but guys like take 5 matches to discard players like Samson or Kishan. :91:


Karthik looks injured so there is a pretty good chance Pant will play in the next couple of matches. Get ready to support India again. :inti
 
To be fair to bhaag viru,it's pant mistake... without scoring enough with umpteen chances and I am one of his biggest fan and I can shut up now and not defend pant...he is going to play his ugly reverse sweeep next match too
 
ezhil said:
To be fair to bhaag viru,it's pant mistake... without scoring enough with umpteen chances and I am one of his biggest fan and I can shut up now and not defend pant...he is going to play his ugly reverse sweeep next match too
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What the idiot Dravid is doing? Can't he speak to him and resolve things? That's the job of coach! To strengthen the team in every possible way!
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
You are the one who looks delusional here. It is Pant's own fault that he didn't make use of so many opportunities he got from the team management. You won't cry for Samson and Kishan who got less opportunities but surely for Pant who has been a failure in this format. 62 matches are not good enough for you here but guys like take 5 matches to discard players like Samson or Kishan. :91:


Karthik looks injured so there is a pretty good chance Pant will play in the next couple of matches. Get ready to support India again. :inti
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I am first watching cricket before supporting any team! If the team which I want to win is not framing its game-plan properly, then certainly there's anger!
 
Good riddance! DK just could not cut it in international cricket. Pant atleast has a history of performing in Australia albeit in another format.

Besides. What choice do we have? We need a left hander no matter what
 
Shastri>>>>>>>>>dravid.... shastri defended pant and supported his growth
 
Poor pant will be gutted....at current scenario he would have definitely fared better than DK... would have got atleast 2 quick 30s in the middle order not putting pressure on other batsman
 
We are not the best team in the tournament.

But our chances of lucking a tournament win greatly diminish, the longer Pant is kept out of the team. If Axar is hardly going to be used as a bowler, what's the point of keeping Pant out. The 4 bowlers picked + Hardik are supposed to do their job. We can't afford anymore to be allowing for one having an off-day.

I don't care what Pant's record in T20s is. In Australia, he has to play. Teams like Australia and England will be psychologically on the backfoot if he is in the side.
 
Indian captain and coach will be a laughing stock if they crash out in knockouts without pant playing
 
Pant needs to start playing. The only reason to play Karthik over Pant is if a) Karthik was the future, which we all agree he is not, and b) he was Dhoniesque in closing games, and was way better then Pant, which also he is not.

Even those pushing for Karthik would agree Karthik is only a little better than Pant.

I would be even happy if we tried Samson rather than Karthik. At least try a future option and than the one about to retire. Because there neither one is light years ahead of the other
 
Sidilicious said:
Pant needs to start playing. The only reason to play Karthik over Pant is if a) Karthik was the future, which we all agree he is not, and b) he was Dhoniesque in closing games, and was way better then Pant, which also he is not.

Even those pushing for Karthik would agree Karthik is only a little better than Pant.

I would be even happy if we tried Samson rather than Karthik. At least try a future option and than the one about to retire. Because there neither one is light years ahead of the other
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Karthik doesn't have the capability to overcome his stage fright. He dropped Litton Das twice. Fairly simple catches. He also missed a couple of stumpings against Netherlands. Those were easy ones too. Then looked like an earthquake under his feet when he batted. I don't have hopes in Pant. But India has to play him. He can play injudicious shot but he is not a choker
 
if only pant could sort his T20I batting, damn it. DK is a poor keeper against spin. against pacers he does make some great saves though. The irritating thing for me is how often he can't cleanly collect a throw from the deep, even when there is no run out pressure. with batsmen in the crease and no pressure too, often makes a meal of collecting simple throws from the deep. embarrassing to watch an international WK struggle for such a basic thing.
team is banking on him to provide those 1 or 2 extraordinary cameos from him when the need arises. hopefully he delivers.
 
DK also missed several direct hits. Against Pakistan there was no run in the last ball. He missed a direct hit from 3 feet which resulted in 2 extra runs.
 
Front Foot Pull said:
if only pant could sort his T20I batting, damn it. DK is a poor keeper against spin. against pacers he does make some great saves though. The irritating thing for me is how often he can't cleanly collect a throw from the deep, even when there is no run out pressure. with batsmen in the crease and no pressure too, often makes a meal of collecting simple throws from the deep. embarrassing to watch an international WK struggle for such a basic thing.
team is banking on him to provide those 1 or 2 extraordinary cameos from him when the need arises. hopefully he delivers.
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India has way too many batting talents at their disposal. Gill, Samson, Kishan, Shreyas Iyer, patidar. DK was picked mainly because he can finish games even at the age of 37. But sadly he is finishing his own team. Almost every match his game helped opposition more than his own team.
 
pillionrider said:
Even on a day when Pakistan qualified out of nowhere for the semis, you have to find a way to whine about something.

What a guy :)))
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This post proves yet again that you are an idiot and always looking for my attention. I am once again posting on topic and you are going off topic with your personal remarks. Just like you have a right to post in DK's thread about his performances, I also have a right to post in this thread. Keep crying. :inti
 
I am Not counting any t20 match failures where he plays in the middle order.
 
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Got out to a screamer by Burl. But atleast intent was right. Hopefully, he will click against England. Really wish Ishan was in the squad of grandpa DK. :facepalm:
 
Pant anyday over DK, it ain't even a comparison. It's like choosing between Gilchrist and Tim Paine, and comparing DK to Paine is a fairly charitable comparison in first place.
 
While I'd prefer Pant over DK anyday, truth be told, I'm not convinced with Pant in the T20 format. He has failed to deceive. The guy is brilliant in Tests. I just wish he improves in the ODI format as well. But T20s? Not really.
 
happydavy said:
Pant anyday over DK, it ain't even a comparison. It's like choosing between Gilchrist and Tim Paine, and comparing DK to Paine is a fairly charitable comparison in first place.
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Hitman said:
While I'd prefer Pant over DK anyday, truth be told, I'm not convinced with Pant in the T20 format. He has failed to deceive. The guy is brilliant in Tests. I just wish he improves in the ODI format as well. But T20s? Not really.
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I think at the moment 'andho mein kana raja' fits perfectly on Rishabh Pant. Kishan, Samson and Pant all three will be in the squad in the next series. In order to find out who is better, all 3 should get equal opportunities. Kishan will most probably open the inning which means Samson and Pant has to play in the middle order so the main rivalry will be between Samson and Pant from now onwards. Karthik should retire after this world cup. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I think at the moment 'andho mein kana raja' fits perfectly on Rishabh Pant. Kishan, Samson and Pant all three will be in the squad in the next series. In order to find out who is better, all 3 should get equal opportunities. Kishan will most probably open the inning which means Samson and Pant has to play in the middle order so the main rivalry will be between Samson and Pant from now onwards. Karthik should retire after this world cup. :inti
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Whether Karthik retires or not matters less than whether Bdesh flies back through Singapore or Malaysia. He shouldn't be allowed to come anywhere near the Indian cricket team by selectors/team management is the important part and that starts from semis.
 
If Rishabh Pant had done well, he would have replaced Dinesh Karthik in semi-finals: Andy Flower

T20 World Cup: India played Rishabh Pant against Zimbabwe in the hopes that he would perform well and replace Dinesh Karthik in the semi-finals, feels Tom Moody.

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India expected Rishabh Pant to play well against Zimbabwe, feels former player Andy Flower. Speaking at the ESPNcricinfo show, Flower said that India would definitely have picked Rishabh Pant for the semi-finals if he had performed against Zimbabwe in the team's final Super-12 game. The fate of Rishabh Pant was discussed by the panel of Robin Uthappa, Tom Moody and Andy Flower after India's win against Zimbabwe on Sunday, 6 November.

The duo of Flower and Moody were of the opinion that Rishabh Pant would have been India's choice had he played a good innings against Zimbabwe.

"I don't buy the game time logic. I think game time belongs to the player who they see playing in the semi-final of the tournament. If Pant goes out there and does what he is capable of and gets 50 off 30 balls, what would India have done now?" opined Tom Moody in the ESPNcricinfo show.

"Definitely not about giving game time. If Rishabh would have done well, he would have definitely been in the semi-finals. India have abundant batting talent sitting in the sidelines, and that puts pressure on the selectors. There is constant talk around these talented batters who do not get a chance to bat in the middle and Pant is one of those players and the step was about giving him a sniff," Andy Flower added to the discussion.

Uthappa on the other hand said that India were checking out their bench strength ahead of the semi-finals and wanted to have options going into the knockout stage of the competition.

India take on England in their semi-final match of the T20 World Cup, in Adelaide on 10 November. In the other semi-final clash, Pakistan face 2021 World Cup finalists New Zealand.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cr...-dinesh-karthik-semi-final-2294184-2022-11-07
 
T20 is not for Pant, he needs time to settle before he goes all out....

It's not a bad thing he is a superstar in test matches and a decent ODI bat, I am sure if he keeps doing his thing in test matches he will go down as one of the greater bats of his time and hardly anyone would care about how he did in the Pyjama T20 format...
 
This is absurd man...he played only2 overs out of last 5 balls and scored a boundary... everyone knows he had take off before he scores...was infinitely better than DK..so no point in critising him
 
India should drop Rahul and open with Pant for a while. Pant will most likely fail but it's worth a try. Batting in the middle order isn't doing him any favors.
 
Hextro said:
India should drop Rahul and open with Pant for a while. Pant will most likely fail but it's worth a try. Batting in the middle order isn't doing him any favors.
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He will not be consistent like rizwan but post some big scores 1 in 10 matches
 
Pant over DK anyday. There wasn't anything left for him to do in y'days game, and whosoever thinks otherwise needs to start with reading some book like "abc of cricket". He's a very good player and it was an absolute joke carried out by dravid and Sharma to have not played him initially.
 
ezhil said:
He will not be consistent like rizwan but post some big scores 1 in 10 matches
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1 in 10 matches isn't good enough for a player that plays for a top 5 international team. That associate-cricket level stuff. Even high-risk players need to score a decent number of runs in at least 3-6 innings out of 10.

Take a look at someone like Buttler who plays high-risk cricket but he still has scored a meaningful number of runs in 5 out of his last 8 innings.

Pant is a senior player in T20Is now. He has played more than 60 T20Is so there are no excuses left, either score runs or say goodbye to this format for a couple of years. Opening the innings might give him more courage and force him to take responsibility.
 
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