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1 in 10 matches isn't good enough for a player that plays for a top 5 international team. That associate-cricket level stuff. Even high-risk players need to score a decent number of runs in at least 3-6 innings out of 10.

Take a look at someone like Buttler who plays high-risk cricket but he still has scored a meaningful number of runs in 5 out of his last 8 innings.

Pant is a senior player in T20Is now. He has played more than 60 T20Is so there are no excuses left, either score runs or say goodbye to this format for a couple of years. Opening the innings might give him more courage and force him to take responsibility.
I said big scores of 100+ once in 10 games not bad
 
Surprise news!!

Pant is a very good Test batsman backed by numbers.

He is a very average LOI batsman specially when played in middle order, again backed by numbers. This is not just national team but his numbers for Delhi and IPL reflect same. He simply does not have the composure and balance to be successful in middle overs. If he grooms it in , maybe he can do well in LOIs given that he does have all the shots and usually not bothered by condition of the pitch or pace or bounce or turn.
 
Barring swinging conditions,he can easily score or race away to a decent start by opening...his inputs will be higher ....great ex:Gilly,rizwan
 
I said big scores of 100+ once in 10 games not bad

Now you're going to the other extreme. Pant has only scored 1 fifty in his T20 career against a top 5 team in over 20 innings and you expect him to score a century after every 10 games... Shocking. If he does that then he would be the greatest T20 cricketer of all time lol.
 
Barring swinging conditions,he can easily score or race away to a decent start by opening...his inputs will be higher ....great ex:Gilly,rizwan

I'm sure when he turns 32 management will put him to opening. We have an awesome senior culture right now.
 
Now you're going to the other extreme. Pant has only scored 1 fifty in his T20 career against a top 5 team in over 20 innings and you expect him to score a century after every 10 games... Shocking. If he does that then he would be the greatest T20 cricketer of all time lol.
I mentioned all LOIs not only t20
 
I'm sure when he turns 32 management will put him to opening. We have an awesome senior culture right now.
This dravid made dhoni bat @7th batsman while he was captain while he shamelessly opened
 
It was such a waste that the two England leggies in Rashid & Livingstone bowled 7 overs were 41 runs and Pant was not sent in early to counter attack. Absolute waste.
 
It was such a waste that the two England leggies in Rashid & Livingstone bowled 7 overs were 41 runs and Pant was not sent in early to counter attack. Absolute waste.

Moor point, buttler would have brought on the pacers and instructed them to bowl outside off stump yorkers or offstump yorkers to neutralize Pant, his acchiles heals, Pant has done nothing in ODI and T20 Cricket.
 
I mentioned all LOIs not only t20

You didn't mention that you were talking about all LOIs so I assumed that you were only talking about T20s. Either way, Pant probably won't be scoring a century every 10 innings in LOIs.
 
You didn't mention that you were talking about all LOIs so I assumed that you were only talking about T20s. Either way, Pant probably won't be scoring a century every 10 innings in LOIs.
Then once in 15-20 innings most probably
 
Guy is turning out to be a surprising failure in LOIs. Not good for his legacy since 90% of Indians got care about test cricket on the slightest. Pant will remembered for his failures than success at this rate

No idea why he's flopping so badly in LOIs
 
Guy is turning out to be a surprising failure in LOIs. Not good for his legacy since 90% of Indians got care about test cricket on the slightest. Pant will remembered for his failures than success at this rate

No idea why he's flopping so badly in LOIs
Urvashi
 
This thread will keep getting bumped for one reason or another given that he is likely to feature in all 3 formats!!
 
Looks like the Team management finally saw the writing on the wall.

Its time for Rishab Pant the opener.

This is going to end up in tears for the naysayers.
:aag
 
Pant's shot selection keeps letting him down. When he got juicy deliveries he missed out and picked the wrong ball to slog. He has to learn to rotate strike atleast.
 
India's version of U. Akmal.

The similarities are too eerie to ignore.

Umran has done something in T20. Pant hasn't done much. Pant is a fantastic Test match player. Decent ODI player. I expect him to do much better in ODIs. But in T20 he cannot succeed without playing 5 or 6 overs. He is not someone who can hit from first over. He will need substantial time at the crease.
 
Umran has done something in T20. Pant hasn't done much. Pant is a fantastic Test match player. Decent ODI player. I expect him to do much better in ODIs. But in T20 he cannot succeed without playing 5 or 6 overs. He is not someone who can hit from first over. He will need substantial time at the crease.

I think he is comparing Pant with Umar Akmal on the basis of his shot selections. I too said the same thing about Pant long time ago. :inti
 
Looks like the Team management finally saw the writing on the wall.

Its time for Rishab Pant the opener.

This is going to end up in tears for the naysayers.
:aag

Rehne de yar jabrdasti ka hype, He already played 50 matches ,But i am sure one day he will perform when u gets grandpa so wait and Save more Aag fr that day, Most pathetic t20 player even Khusdil have played 2-3 Knock but this motu is robbing Chances of our Talented T20 players.
 
Amazing player! Hopefully, he comes good in T20s as an opener too.

Already making a case for himself in India's Test match all-time XI as keeper batsman. :inti
 
Rehne de yar jabrdasti ka hype, He already played 50 matches ,But i am sure one day he will perform when u gets grandpa so wait and Save more Aag fr that day, Most pathetic t20 player even Khusdil have played 2-3 Knock but this motu is robbing Chances of our Talented T20 players.

He is making a case for himself in India's all time test match XI so he should be allowed to play at least 100 more T20s even if he doesn't perform. :kp :inti
 
I was watching the game yesterday and felt that Gilchrist has gained few extra kilos by sitting on bench for half of the word cup.
 
Another failure for Pant. We need a proper opening batsman not a slogger. Someone like Gill should get some games in the future. :inti
 
It's like fighting with a knife when you have a bazooka in your arsenal, I won't care if India loses this world cup if they again commit the mistake of not playing Pant.

Please Unleash the beast !!!

Bazooka is behaving like a water gun now. Can't believe you wanted India to lose just because Pant was sitting outside. :inti
 
Just goes to show Rohit wasn't wrong in picking Karthik over Pant in the World Cup although it would have made more sense to pick both Kishan and Samson for the WC. What a blunder by selectors and team management. :inti
 
Rehne de yar jabrdasti ka hype, He already played 50 matches ,But i am sure one day he will perform when u gets grandpa so wait and Save more Aag fr that day, Most pathetic t20 player even Khusdil have played 2-3 Knock but this motu is robbing Chances of our Talented T20 players.

Bcci has finally realized the phenomena that is Rishab Pant.

Resistance is futile.

Imagine swapping the initials of Rishab Pant's first and last name. That's how your post looks like even after his consistent failures in T20s. Guy above was right, this is zabardasti ka hype. :inti
 
Bcci has finally realized the phenomena that is Rishab Pant.

Resistance is futile.

If he were a proven player in t20's and goinge through a lean period your fantasies would've been justified but after someone who failed in his 66 matches still you are vouching for him ,Then You must have something personal family connection with him,

you are saxena and he's pant that's interesting that's why you support him
blindly.

when we have world's best shubhman and Young promising lefty Jaiswal others Tilak, Patidar,samson etc why this legside hack keep playing after 66 matches Though i agree he's Best Asian keeper in Test matches and Will prove same in odi's too,But his lack of fitness,work ethics and off side game of tailender level all contributes his failure in t20's simply guy doesn't have T20 skills, You can take example of Babar Azam Though a great batsman But He don't possess t20 skills .
 
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Should consider retiring from LOIs if he doesn't feel comfortable playing it. Either way, India should axe Pant from all LOI formats, there are plenty of players who deserve a chance
 
Scores faster and more consistent in challenging Test conditions, but not in LOIs. Very strange and probably is running out of his LOI chances.
 
Scores faster and more consistent in challenging Test conditions, but not in LOIs. Very strange and probably is running out of his LOI chances.

He will have success in LOIs too if opposition players start dropping his catches or miss stumping chances. :inti
 
The best all format batsman. This guy is just not good enough. Even in tests he will be mighty inconsistant and socre the odd fifty/century. But the truth is that he doesn't know batting.
Compare him to Latham and there is a world of difference.
 
The best all format batsman. This guy is just not good enough. Even in tests he will be mighty inconsistant and socre the odd fifty/century. But the truth is that he doesn't know batting.
Compare him to Latham and there is a world of difference.
He averages more than your Rizwan in both tests and odis, the two premier formats.
It's Rizwan who doesn't know batting.
 
Just so hard to pick two names out of five options for 4 & 5 - Iyer, Pant, Samson, KLR, SKY.
 
At least we will hear less about his average and how well he bats in SENA.
They often talk about his 2 hundreds, but the truth is that let alone hundreds, this guy can't make 30 crucial runs.
Looking at this post the above one doesn't seem that shocking.
 
It's not hard, just look at Pant's stats in odis in last two years.

Everyone has performed in last two years in ODIs..look at Iyer and Samson stats and also can't ignore what SKY brings in a lineup which has all the batsmen happy to play run a ball.
 
Should consider retiring from LOIs if he doesn't feel comfortable playing it. Either way, India should axe Pant from all LOI formats, there are plenty of players who deserve a chance

Scores faster and more consistent in challenging Test conditions, but not in LOIs. Very strange and probably is running out of his LOI chances.

The best all format batsman. This guy is just not good enough. Even in tests he will be mighty inconsistant and socre the odd fifty/century. But the truth is that he doesn't know batting.
Compare him to Latham and there is a world of difference.

I don't know who knows batting but you definitely don't understand cricket.

Yeah none of us understand cricket, only you do. :rabada2

It seems the embarrassment after hyping him up in the world cup was not enough for you. You can't even criticise him for his bad performances these days. You are an insecure fan and are now trying to bring Rizwan into discussion to ease the pain. It is so damn obvious. :inti
 
“If I had to drop someone, I would drop Samson” - Saba Karim backs Rishabh Pant despite batting woes

Former India keeper-batter Saba Karim has backed Rishabh Pant to retain his place in the playing XI for the second ODI against New Zealand despite his batting woes. Karim added that if any batter has to sit out for the Hamilton one-dayer, it has to be Sanju Samson.

Having lost the Auckland ODI by seven wickets, Team India face a must-win game when they take on the Kiwis in Hamilton on Sunday (November 27). In the build-up to the game, Pant has been in firing line owing to his poor batting returns.

The 25-year-old was dismissed for 15 off 23 in the opening one-dayer, dragging a short delivery from Lockie Ferguson back onto his stumps. While some critics and former players want Pant to be given a break, Karim has a different view. During a discussion on India News, he opined:

“I don’t believe in resting players. If I had to rest Pant, I wouldn’t have picked him in the 15 in the first place. If I have picked him, then he is in my playing XI. We easily forget that he had won us the last one-day match in England with a hundred. No other batter could have won that for India from that position."

Elaborating on the changes he would make for the second ODI against the Kiwis, the former player added:

“I would go for Deepak Hooda as a sixth bowling option, and if I had to drop someone, I would drop Sanju Samson. He doesn’t fit at No.3. He is a top-order batter, and that is where he should play.”

Virat Kohli’s childhood coach Rajkumar Sharma also backed Karim’s views in the Pant vs Samson debate. According to Sharma, India have invested heavily in Pant for a reason. He elaborated:

“Indian cricket has invested so much in Pant. He has been given a long rope. He is in the team because he can single-handedly win games for the side. If he is in my 15, I will definitely play him. Even if Samson and Ishan Kishan are the other keeper-batter options, I would still go for Pant first.”
Both Pant and Samson were part of Team India’s playing XI for the Auckland ODI. While Pant was dismissed cheaply, Samson contributed 36 off 38.

Former India all-rounder Reetinder Singh Sodhi, the third panelist on the debate, also shared similar thoughts to Karim and Sharma.

He empathised with Samson but claimed that India’s team combination would be better with a sixth-bowling option ahead of the keeper-batter. Sodhi said:

“We are all supporting Samson and want him to be given a long rope. But if we look at team combination, Samson looks as the only player who can be replaced. 36 off 38 doesn’t guarantee him a place. Impact has to be counted. That is where Team India have to come up and think differently. We are building a team for the World Cup.”

Samson has made an impressive start to his one-day career, scoring 330 runs in 11 games at an average of 66 (bolstered by five not outs) and a strike rate of 104.76.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket...karim-backs-rishabh-pant-despite-batting-woes
 
'Rishabh's ODI average is 30. Samson in 11 matches is averaging 60': NZ great not convinced of Pant's white-ball skills

The Rishabh Pant vs Sanju Samson debate is one that refuses to die down as comparisons galore to determine who the better wicketkeeper batter is between the two.

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The Rishabh Pant vs Sanju Samson debate is one that refuses to die down as comparisons galore to determine who the better wicketkeeper-batter between the two is. While Pant has cemented a legacy of his own in Tests, he hasn't quite replicated the same success in ODIs and T20Is. In fact, in white-ball formats, Pant has 1842 runs from 95 matches, with eight fifties and a century. Samson, meanwhile has played far fewer matches than Pant – 27 to be precise in which he has tallied 626 runs, but his average in ODIs is way higher: a staggering 66 as compared to Rishabh's 35.

And yet, surprisingly enough, Samson regularly seems to be getting the rough end of the deal with limited chances and sporadic match opportunities with the Indian team. He was included in India's Playing XI in the first ODI in Auckland but was left out of the second match in Hamilton with Deepak Hooda replacing him. However, when it comes to the Pant vs Samson debate, former New Zealand fast bowler Simon Doull feels the right-handed wicketkeeper deserves a longer rope.

"Rishabh Pant's record is a decent sample size. He has played just under 30 games and only averages 35, the strike rate is good. But Sanju in 11 games is averaging 60 something. And I don't think he is any less of a wicketkeeper. I jut think he deserves an opportunity as well," Doull said on Cricbuzz.

Samson has put together a string of decent performances in ODIs, scoring an unbeaten 86 against South Africa in Lucknow, to go with a half-century against West Indies. Meanwhile, Pant's record in Test matches is unparalleled. He has scored centuries in India, Australia, England and South Africa, to go with the Gabba 89-run classic and the near-perfect knock of 97 in Sydney.

But when it comes to limited-overs – especially T20Is – Pant has cut a sorry figure. In June, Pant scored a blistering century against England at The Oval, helping India wrap up the series, but has since, gone quiet. Which is why Doull is rather uncertain about Pant's place in India's white-ball setup.

"The Rishabh Pant vs Sanju Samson debate is an interesting one for me. There is so much talk about Rishabh Pant, and how he is the future. But in white-ball formats, he hasn't quite done it. Unbelievable Test player, and he is a shoe-in in Tests as the wicketkeeper-batter, no issue with that? But is he the best white-ball keeper batter? I am not convinced," he pointed out.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-s-white-ball-skills-101669648408005-amp.html
 
What is shocking is Pant's batting so far!

Pant's fans have run away from this thread. One of them is on a long vacation because of Pant's poor performances. Pant may be going through a pretty long bad patch but his die hard fans only appear in this thread when he plays a good inning here and there. :inti
 
Pant's fans have run away from this thread. One of them is on a long vacation because of Pant's poor performances. Pant may be going through a pretty long bad patch but his die hard fans only appear in this thread when he plays a good inning here and there. :inti
What wrong has samson did?
 
Pant's fans have run away from this thread. One of them is on a long vacation because of Pant's poor performances. Pant may be going through a pretty long bad patch but his die hard fans only appear in this thread when he plays a good inning here and there. :inti

Ok. What is it that you are trying to prove? Pant has played a few innings of a lifetime in Australia and showed other flashes of brilliance in SENA countries which is usually a high benchmark for subcontinent batsmen. This is why most “regular” Indians have rated him very highly. Not just Indians but one look at Pant during that phase made a lot of ex-players and experts rate him highly.

Either he hasn’t found his footing in LOIs or maybe he isn’t suited for that format or he is out of form. Take your pick

You want a cookie or what lol?

At least you moved on from Pandya for the time being, good to see :)).
 
Ok. What is it that you are trying to prove? Pant has played a few innings of a lifetime in Australia and showed other flashes of brilliance in SENA countries which is usually a high benchmark for subcontinent batsmen. This is why most “regular” Indians have rated him very highly. Not just Indians but one look at Pant during that phase made a lot of ex-players and experts rate him highly.

Either he hasn’t found his footing in LOIs or maybe he isn’t suited for that format or he is out of form. Take your pick

You want a cookie or what lol?

At least you moved on from Pandya for the time being, good to see :)).

Pant Samson are top order players.

They will play better when they get chances at the top. For that the likes of Dhawan KL will have to go.
 
Pant needs to be dropped now. But he is in Bangladesh squad too and no Samson there. So, that means Pant will get a series to prove his point further.
 
Ok. What is it that you are trying to prove? Pant has played a few innings of a lifetime in Australia and showed other flashes of brilliance in SENA countries which is usually a high benchmark for subcontinent batsmen. This is why most “regular” Indians have rated him very highly. Not just Indians but one look at Pant during that phase made a lot of ex-players and experts rate him highly.

Either he hasn’t found his footing in LOIs or maybe he isn’t suited for that format or he is out of form. Take your pick

You want a cookie or what lol?

At least you moved on from Pandya for the time being, good to see :)).

You are right. I was being generous when I said he is going through a bad patch. I showed some concern but fans like you can't even take that either. He has been pathetic in T20s so it is time to first drop him from T20s and then keep an eye on his ODI performances so far. He is wasting too many opportunities. You are still clinging on to his performances in Australia. We are discussing his LOI performances these days. Wake up and smell that cookie. And why will I talk about Pandya in Rishabh Pant's thread? :91: :inti
 
Rohit Sharma played 80 ODI's with average 30 on account of Mumbai Lobby Quota.

On what quota Rishabh Pant getting more chances in LOI than anyone else?
 
For the time India has this many players at their disposal. So there will be pressure on players to deliver asap. Pant has more than one issue. Fitness and performance. No player is indispensable. Be it is Pant or Samson or Gill or Iyer. If they don't deliver and someone in better form waiting they need to be given opportunity. Best way to get the best out of players is by giving them a break. Players with hunger will find a way to return to the side.
 
For the time India has this many players at their disposal. So there will be pressure on players to deliver asap. Pant has more than one issue. Fitness and performance. No player is indispensable. Be it is Pant or Samson or Gill or Iyer. If they don't deliver and someone in better form waiting they need to be given opportunity. Best way to get the best out of players is by giving them a break. Players with hunger will find a way to return to the side.

Pant is indispensable.
 
Pant averages 36 in odis at 108 str rate
Is that called underperforming? For example compare his odi stat with Rizwan, there's a world of difference

He has been good in odis, obviously he will get even better.

T20s is the only format where he has struggled.
 
Pant is indispensable.


In T20 he is clearly dispensable. His bad form there carried over to ODI as he is playing the same stupid shots here as well. Also, he doesn't do the basic thing of converting singles into twos. It is embarrassing to watch the way he runs. Even 40-year-old Dhoni would run faster than him. He is already a test great atleast becoming. In ODIS showing some good signs. In T20 he is a total flop.
 
In T20 he is clearly dispensable. His bad form there carried over to ODI as he is playing the same stupid shots here as well. Also, he doesn't do the basic thing of converting singles into twos. It is embarrassing to watch the way he runs. Even 40-year-old Dhoni would run faster than him. He is already a test great atleast becoming. In ODIS showing some good signs. In T20 he is a total flop.

Most people don't understand this logic. When you play all 3 formats of the game and start struggling in one then it carries over to other formats as well. I used to say the same about KL Rahul too when he was struggling in tests, his bad form carried over to LOIs. Same will happen with Pant now. He should have been dropped from T20s long time ago. Surya should also stick to T20s otherwise he will also forget how to play T20s after playing and failing in ODIs. It is not necessary to play all the players in all the formats. :inti
 
It seems the pressure of expectations and poor performance in LOIs is getting to Pant. According to Pant, his LOI record isn't bad and he should only be compared with others when he is 32 years old. This is an eye opener for those who are comparing him with Gilly. Watch the full interview of Pant with Harsha Bhogle here: :facepalm :inti

 
"They" also won an odi series vs Eng in Eng in july this year bcoz of Pant.

So how long Pant should be allowed to play white ball cricket because he scored one century 6 months ago? He is clearly over weight and it’s affecting his batting. Until he improves his fitness he will be having problems in test matches too. His keeping improved but batting regressed big time.
If he doesn’t work on his fitness he won’t last beyond 30 yrs in Indian cricket, even with his usual backing from former players, Indian team and his Ipl team management backup.
 
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