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The Shanwawaz Dahani vs Mohammad Hasnain debate

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So Hasnain has been named in the main squad while Dahani will travel with the reserves. Your thoughts on this one?
Dahani a little unlucky as he did nothing wrong in the games he has played for Pakistan so far?
 
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This is what annoys me. The guy on the bench gets hardly any game time and then gets dropped for someone else who comes in and walks straight in to the team. Dahani is a lot better bowler then Wasim and also has the the right bowling discipline for Australia where as Wasim is a bowler who bowls full dahani is bowler who bowls short of length perfect length for Australia and extracts good bounce too. This is a mind boggling selection.
 
I would have preferred Dahani without a second thought.

Right now, Dahani has far more control and you can rely on him more in death too. He is simply a better bowler. Has most wickets in last 2 editions of psl combined. More than even Shaheen!!. Hasnain has never shown this level of performance anywhere.

Hasnain blows hot and cold and I feel he needs more time to get used to his new action.

Dahani did absolutely no wrong this Asia Cup while Hasnain was the taken for plenty in the final even at the start when Naseem and Rouf looked on top.
 
Dahani hasn't really set the world on fire in internationals. Hasnain has more experience and wicket taking ability
 
Marooned said:
I would have preferred Dahani without a second thought.

Right now, Dahani has far more control and you can rely on him more in death too. He is simply a better bowler. Has most wickets in last 2 editions of psl combined. More than even Shaheen!!. Hasnain has never shown this level of performance anywhere.

Hasnain blows hot and cold and I feel he needs more time to get used to his new action.

Dahani did absolutely no wrong this Asia Cup while Hasnain was the taken for plenty in the final even at the start when Naseem and Rouf looked on top.
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They can still change the squad before 15 October. If Dahani out performs Hasnain in this series, you may see that. But remember, Hasnain in Australia is a different bowler. With his pace and those big Australian grounds, the boundary fielders come into play.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
They can still change the squad before 15 October. If Dahani out performs Hasnain in this series, you may see that. But remember, Hasnain in Australia is a different bowler. With his pace and those big Australian grounds, the boundary fielders come into play.
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I really looked forward to Dahani in Australia. His style is tailor made for Australia.
 
Kashmirilion said:
This is what annoys me. The guy on the bench gets hardly any game time and then gets dropped for someone else who comes in and walks straight in to the team. Dahani is a lot better bowler then Wasim and also has the the right bowling discipline for Australia where as Wasim is a bowler who bowls full dahani is bowler who bowls short of length perfect length for Australia and extracts good bounce too. This is a mind boggling selection.
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It's good that you raised Mo Wasim too. Unfortunately he has conned the TM into thinking that he is an allrounder.

He is not going to contribute anymore than Dahani with the bat.
 
Shocking, just sheer favoritism from our crooked team management with no regard for actual performances.

Hasnain went for 0-41 in the Final vs SL while Naseem and Rauf destroyed their top order. He was our WORST pacer in the Asia Cup by ER (8.93).

His overall T20I bowling avg is 31 - remove Zimbabwe from that and it's 36 ! He wouldn't have been a net bowler for us in the 90s.
 
Why is it Dahani vs Hasnain?

It should be wasim jnr that should have been dropped!

The guy is rubbish and his batting is no better than Dahani.
 
Barragan said:
Why is it Dahani vs Hasnain?

It should be wasim jnr that should have been dropped!

The guy is rubbish and his batting is no better than Dahani.
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That's true. Wasim jnr actually has the weakest claim. It's just that he appears to have the mysterious "all rounder" tag which obviously is complete sham.
 
Barragan said:
Why is it Dahani vs Hasnain?

It should be wasim jnr that should have been dropped!

The guy is rubbish and his batting is no better than Dahani.
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Came here to say this. Wasim should have been the reserve. His unfounded claim to be an allrounder has put him higher in the pecking order.
 
What a competition it is Garfield Wasim vs Curtly Dahani vs lasith Hasnain
Tbh all are mediocre
 
Didnt notice that wasim was in the main squad too. Dahani though has done well for Pakistan in every single gane he has played.
 
Dahani & Hasnain both merit a place in the squad, its Mo Wasim Jr. who should have been in reserve if he even needs to be selected!
 
Barragan said:
Why is it Dahani vs Hasnain?

It should be wasim jnr that should have been dropped!

The guy is rubbish and his batting is no better than Dahani.
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Based on what? Wasim Jr has been excellent in T20's and has a whopping 17 wickets in 11 innings. Considering 2 of those innings were rained out and those matches have a combined 1.2 overs bowled from as a result, its more 17 wickets in 9 matches. He has taken a wicket in every single one of the matches.

They aren't world beater teams but you can only play the teams in front of you. He did also take 2 wickets against Australia and was the 2nd most economical bowler after Shaheen. Even in ODI's so far, he has been good including the 3 match series vs Australia where he got 5 wickets in 3 matches.

Still super young too. He can be leaky but that's Pakistani pacers for you.

As of Dahani & Hasnain, I would pick Dahani over Hasnain based on his control but Hasnain has bowled in Australia before and looked pretty good for the most part in Asia Cup. Unfortunate for Dahani who got an injury at the wrong time when it was looking like he was going to solidify his spot in the squad.

This isn't the final squad though and things can still change. Plenty of matches coming up and both Hasnain & Dahani will play. Bowl well enough and Dahani can take his spot.
 
I'd have taken both and left out Usman Qadir.
 
Markhor said:
Shocking, just sheer favoritism from our crooked team management with no regard for actual performances.

Hasnain went for 0-41 in the Final vs SL while Naseem and Rauf destroyed their top order. He was our WORST pacer in the Asia Cup by ER (8.93).

His overall T20I bowling avg is 31 - remove Zimbabwe from that and it's 36 ! He wouldn't have been a net bowler for us in the 90s.
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Numbers don't tell the whole story.

Hasnain bowled really well in 1st game vs SL and was the best Pakistani pacer in the game vs India.

In the final he didn't bowl well but he still would've finished with better figures if Shadab had held on to Rajapaksa's catch.

He was hurrying batters with his short deliveries on these slow wickets of UAE, Australian wickets should really suit him.
He has that extra pace and height which will come in handy on those wickets.
 
ethan hunt said:
So Hasnain has been named in the main squad while Dahani will travel with the reserves. Your thoughts on this one?
Dahani a little unlucky as he did nothing wrong in the games he has played for Pakistan so far?
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Chances are Dahani will get in, unless there are no injuries till the end of World T20. It is not the bowling but the Batting line up, which is now minnow level.
Hoping for some last minutes changes thru the England series.
 
asadee said:
Dahani hasn't really set the world on fire in internationals. Hasnain has more experience and wicket taking ability
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How? 21 wickets in 22 games at an average of 31 and econ of 8.09. Does not seem to be stats of a wickettaker.
 
Kashmirilion said:
This is what annoys me. The guy on the bench gets hardly any game time and then gets dropped for someone else who comes in and walks straight in to the team. Dahani is a lot better bowler then Wasim and also has the the right bowling discipline for Australia where as Wasim is a bowler who bowls full dahani is bowler who bowls short of length perfect length for Australia and extracts good bounce too. This is a mind boggling selection.
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The funny thing is they picked Dahani in the original squad in which hasnain wasn't in contention.
 
asadee said:
Dahani hasn't really set the world on fire in internationals. Hasnain has more experience and wicket taking ability
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Go look at the stats in psl and domestic stats and you will see who has more wicket taking ability.
 
Barragan said:
Why is it Dahani vs Hasnain?

It should be wasim jnr that should have been dropped!

The guy is rubbish and his batting is no better than Dahani.
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Wasim Jnr has better stats than hasnain in domestically and is much better fielder.
 
shamaan said:
The funny thing is they picked Dahani in the original squad in which hasnain wasn't in contention.
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I would have liked to see Dahani ahead of Hasnain. Tough one to be honest.
That said, I wanted to clarify something many folks are getting wrong. Hasnain wasn’t in contention due to the bowling action issue, and not because we was behind Dahani in the pecking order originally. When Hasnain was cleared and showed promise in the hundred, he got a call back. So nuanced situation this
 
Its a toss up who should have been selected Dahani or Hasnain. Cant blame PCB for this one. Also can see why they selected Wasim, to have a bowler who can bat a bit so the tail wont be too long.

However I would have preferred if Dahani was selected over Wasim. Best chance Pakistan has of winning is by their bowling. So I rather have the better bowler.
 
Marginal call.

You can't hold PCB responsible for a marginal call.

There are players elsewhere in the team who may be more controversial.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Marginal call.

You can't hold PCB responsible for a marginal call.

There are players elsewhere in the team who may be more controversial.
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We can call it marginal but see our highest level domestic competition is psl. If you take the last 2 psl seasons, Dahani has taken the most wickets. More than any spinner, more than even Shaheen.
Surely he deserves a proper opportunity? Instead we give him a chance, he plays well, gets injured for a short while and boom! His place is gone!

This just isn't right.
 
This won't decide our chances because both are close in ability and good. I'm happy with either, choose the one in better rhythm.
 
Marooned said:
We can call it marginal but see our highest level domestic competition is psl. If you take the last 2 psl seasons, Dahani has taken the most wickets. More than any spinner, more than even Shaheen.
Surely he deserves a proper opportunity? Instead we give him a chance, he plays well, gets injured for a short while and boom! His place is gone!

This just isn't right.
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You are right. He deserves a long rope in the team. He hasn't got it yet. It's a shame.

I think in this particular case, Hasnain who has played in BPL, got the nod, just.

I hope Dahani's time will come soon enough. He is a prospect.
 
Dhani hasn’t done well in international only psl

Hasnain was bowling with much more pace and swing and getting wickets (although he was wayward)
 
Markhor said:
Shocking, just sheer favoritism from our crooked team management with no regard for actual performances.

Hasnain went for 0-41 in the Final vs SL while Naseem and Rauf destroyed their top order. He was our WORST pacer in the Asia Cup by ER (8.93).

His overall T20I bowling avg is 31 - remove Zimbabwe from that and it's 36 ! He wouldn't have been a net bowler for us in the 90s.
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Hasnain should have had more wickets had our fielders held on to their catches. He bowled exceptionally well at good pace, while being a notch below Naseem and Haris.

Dahani doesn’t deserve to miss out, both should be in a squad for Australia. Not sure what Usman Qadir is doing there :facepalm:
 
Dahani hasn't looked like taking wickets at internationals.
Hasnain is an out and out wicket taker.
Naseem will bowl at the start and in the end, then Rauf will mostly try to contain in the end.
Pakistan require a middle over wicket taker.
Hasnain played important role in the game against India by surprising Pandya with slow ball.
 
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Farabi said:
I would have liked to see Dahani ahead of Hasnain. Tough one to be honest.
That said, I wanted to clarify something many folks are getting wrong. Hasnain wasn’t in contention due to the bowling action issue, and not because we was behind Dahani in the pecking order originally. When Hasnain was cleared and showed promise in the hundred, he got a call back. So nuanced situation this
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Did the squad get picked before Hasnain passed his bowling test.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Its a toss up who should have been selected Dahani or Hasnain. Cant blame PCB for this one. Also can see why they selected Wasim, to have a bowler who can bat a bit so the tail wont be too long.

However I would have preferred if Dahani was selected over Wasim. Best chance Pakistan has of winning is by their bowling. So I rather have the better bowler.
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Wasim has better stats than Hasnain in bowling offers more in the field and can hold a bat.
 
SamNJ said:
Dahani hasn't looked like taking wickets at internationals.
Hasnain is an out and out wicket taker.
Naseem will bowl at the start and in the end, then Rauf will mostly try to contain in the end.
Pakistan require a middle over wicket taker.
Hasnain played important role in the game against India by surprising Pandya with slow ball.
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Lolwut? He has barely played and it's not nearly enough to make a judgement.
Dahani had earned his place and didn't deserve to be dropped just like that.
 
The debate is wrong in the first place. Hasnain has BBL experience. The real choice should be between Wasim Jnr and Dahani.
 
Both of them are needed.

But tbh the competition should be between Wasim jr. And Dahani.

Hasnain is way too talented to be left out. You don't get tear away pacers everyday.

Work on him and prevent him from becoming another Sami.

Dahani can also be a good bowler for Pakistan.
 
Shahnawaz Dahanis pace, fizz & bounce for ANZ

I wasn't too keen in this youngsta until I saw him against Netherlands n in Asia cup, he seems to have that extra fizz & bounce along with decent control whichs ideal & makes it very difficult for batters to handle in the ANZ conditions keeping the keeper, slips & nearby catchers in play all along whereas Waseem Jr is the opposite of all that.

Straight swap is not just necessary but Obligatory/ Mandatory esp on ANZ tracks.
 
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Just watching him in the Karachi nets, batters finding it hard to hit him thru the line even in Karachi mainly due to that extra fizz n bounce, imagine him on ANZ wickets! Whatevrr I said in my above post is so true...he has to be there in the active WT20 squad.
 
It's a T20 only bowlers who can bowl Yorkers are feared, pace and bounce wont impact much outside powerplay. They will be scored off eventually
 
indian_sap said:
I wasn't too keen in this youngsta until I saw him against Netherlands n in Asia cup, he seems to have that extra fizz & bounce along with decent control whichs ideal & makes it very difficult for batters to handle in the ANZ conditions keeping the keeper, slips & nearby catchers in play all along whereas Waseem Jr is the opposite of all that.

Straight swap is not just necessary but Obligatory/ Mandatory esp on ANZ tracks.
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Well yeah, that's what Dahani is all about. Extra bounce, zip and very good control.
 
Both are mediocre but Hasnain is not a camera merchant, over-actor, cringy and dramaybaaz like Dahani so I am happy to see him keep the latter out of the team.
 
That's risky because Shadab is coming back from injury and if he gets injured again, you've got to have another leg spinner
 
Hasnain is much better than dahani guy. He is way too fast with very good bounce and has got a good outswinger as well.

Hasnain should play all the matches against England and in tri series as well.
 
alone1213 said:
Hasnain is much better than dahani guy. He is way too fast with very good bounce and has got a good outswinger as well.

Hasnain should play all the matches against England and in tri series as well.
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Both of them should play TOGETHER vs England and that will make it crystal clear for everyone.

That's the best way to compare.

They have played only one game together so far. T20 vs WI
In that game:

Hasnain - 4overs- 0-49
Dahani- 4overs -1-23

It's wasn't just stats though, Dahani looked so far ahead of Hasnain in that game it wasn't a comparison even.

I'm not disparaging Hasnain here btw. They are both good talents and we are lucky to have a wealth of fastbowling talents coming up.
 
Mamoon said:
Both are mediocre but Hasnain is not a camera merchant, over-actor, cringy and dramaybaaz like Dahani so I am happy to see him keep the latter out of the team.
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Yes, Dahani looked very animated in that game against India and some of it looked very gimmicky. Hasnain on the other end looks a sharif baccha.
 
Dahani can be cringy but I think he should play over Hasnain. Seems like a better bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
Both are mediocre but Hasnain is not a camera merchant, over-actor, cringy and dramaybaaz like Dahani so I am happy to see him keep the latter out of the team.
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Both are mediocre, ok, but is Avesh Khan better then them?
 
Slim said:
The debate is wrong in the first place. Hasnain has BBL experience. The real choice should be between Wasim Jnr and Dahani.
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So domestic stats and psl doesn't count and have you seen Wasim Jnr stats.
 
I stil haven't seen anyone putting facts or why they think Hasnain is better than Dahani.

Wasim has proved it in t20s that he should be in the squad.
 
ethan hunt said:
So Hasnain has been named in the main squad while Dahani will travel with the reserves. Your thoughts on this one?
Dahani a little unlucky as he did nothing wrong in the games he has played for Pakistan so far?
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both are nothing special
 
If I was the Chief Selector, I would drop Dahani for those celebrations alone. How can anyone tolerate such acting and cringy behavior?
 
M.Wasim is a better bowler in these conditions, he bowls wicket to wicket with late swing, unlikely to get for many runs and surely going to pick up more wickets with his you miss I hit strategy
 
Dahani certainly better.

Bowled well today. If only he was helped by the fielders too.
 
Mamoon said:
If I was the Chief Selector, I would drop Dahani for those celebrations alone. How can anyone tolerate such acting and cringy behavior?
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This. His celebrations are embarrassing. He celebrates like a total paindoo.
 
I'm a fan of Husnain so I'm might be bias there but I feel he should have the edge over Dahani at this point objectively. He gave a number of decent performances in the Asia cup and showed he has a decent Yorker and slower one. Dahani is much more predictable with his length and much more of an unknown at this point at the international level.
 
Marooned said:
We can call it marginal but see our highest level domestic competition is psl. If you take the last 2 psl seasons, Dahani has taken the most wickets. More than any spinner, more than even Shaheen.
Surely he deserves a proper opportunity? Instead we give him a chance, he plays well, gets injured for a short while and boom! His place is gone!

This just isn't right.
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It is not Dahani vs Hasnain but Dahani vs Wasim jnr

That's true Dahani was the top performer in PSL. However he was not given a run instead it was Mohd Wasim jnr who got all the chances. Right now it is hard to judge Dahani as he has gotten only a few chances. I hope he gets a consistent run against England and NZ so he can get promoted into a permanent spot.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
M.Wasim is a better bowler in these conditions, he bowls wicket to wicket with late swing, unlikely to get for many runs and surely going to pick up more wickets with his you miss I hit strategy
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He was injured so may only get the last 2/3 games.
 
cricketAXEpert said:
It is not Dahani vs Hasnain but Dahani vs Wasim jnr

That's true Dahani was the top performer in PSL. However he was not given a run instead it was Mohd Wasim jnr who got all the chances. Right now it is hard to judge Dahani as he has gotten only a few chances. I hope he gets a consistent run against England and NZ so he can get promoted into a permanent spot.
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No it isn't Dahani vs Wasim Jnr.
 
Always said that Hasnain isn't that good Dahani is alot better than Hasnain and Wasim Jnr is garranteed place in the squad.
 
Having watched the games so far....Usman Qadir needs to go and Dahani comes in.

If Shadab is unfit in any game in WC, I'd prefer to play with 4 pacers in Aus rather than an inconsistent Qadir.
 
Ashmal said:
Having watched the games so far....Usman Qadir needs to go and Dahani comes in.

If Shadab is unfit in any game in WC, I'd prefer to play with 4 pacers in Aus rather than an inconsistent Qadir.
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I think that's what will happen if Shadab is not fit enough.
 
Surely Dahani merits a place in the squad. I'd easily take him over Hasnain but we could easily get him in for Fulltoss Qadir instead.

Relegate Qadir to reserves.

If Shadab gets injured, Qadir can come in if they want. That's what the reserves are for but it makes no sense to keep Qadir in 15 man squad.
 
Mamoon said:
If I was the Chief Selector, I would drop Dahani for those celebrations alone. How can anyone tolerate such acting and cringy behavior?
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Why would you be the chief selector of Pakistan team when you are and Indian team fan?
You will drop the best in the business, the likes of Rauf, Babar, Shadab....
 
Dahani has looked slightly down on pace recently. Otherwise he used to be as fast as Hasnain with much better control and zip off the surface. I can only assume it's a rhythm issue and hopefully he gets back to his best soon.

Here are the speeds from an over from his t20 game vs WI December 2021:

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Mamoon said:
Both are mediocre but Hasnain is not a camera merchant, over-actor, cringy and dramaybaaz like Dahani so I am happy to see him keep the latter out of the team.
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A privilege to see the over-actor Dahani get humiliated. Thank you England.
 
ekpakistani said:
One bad game happens to everyone but then someone as judgemental as you will never understand that.
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He will blow hot and cold with his performances, but the bigger issue is his cringey behavior and over-acting. That will remain constant.
 
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