The state of Bangladesh cricket

[Relic]

How can a sane person put Pakistan and Bangladesh in the same bracket for test cricket let alone for LOIs??
Pakistan may not be doing great lately but at least they drew twice in England in the last 3 years.
Have Bangladesh even won a single overseas test match yet against a top 5 team?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Lol at armchair critics and their shining ideas, barely a dozen test playing nation and you people wanna split it!! There will always be one sided matches, don't like it, don't watch simple.

Agreed.

However I would like to see Afghanistan added in the WTC

They beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be in the WTC if Bangladesh are also there.

 

[sweep_shot]

Agreed.

However I would like to see Afghanistan added in the WTC

They beat Bangladesh in Bangladesh so I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be in the WTC if Bangladesh are also there.

Agreed.

I personally feel Afghanistan should replace BD in WTC. BD are currently completely out of order in Test format. I think Ireland can beat BD right now.

 

[shantanu]

Think you are forgetting BD just lost a test match at home against Afg too.

Afghanistan arguably has the best spinners in the world. They were foolish enough to prepare a spinning wicket and their strategy backfired. That doesnt mean that everything is lost.
I see people deriving perverse pleasure from Afghan win over Bangladesh.
I am very certain that on that pitch against a raging rashid khan even the Indian batting might excpet Pujara would have been a fail.

And Pakistan would have surrendered just as meekly if not infinitely worse.

Its good to have a little fun, but the Afhan loss phainty has been going on for far too long.

As if there is any team in the world that would be comfortable against afgahn spinners on a spin friendly pitch.

For those who feel like disputing my points I only have 2 names - steven o' keefe and rangana herath.

Ps: India would still have won though

 

[Usman Chadda]

That’s good, your last line - I believe, I have put enough logic to extract that.

Who has potential or not only time will tell - as far now I can say from Omer Qarishi XI, Hyderabad Blues, MCC amateurs ... in twenty years, we are playing Test matches in India ..... and after 70 years, former Aussie Captain is asking you guys to learn cricket before touring there. If it doesn’t bring some sense, I doubt if you’ll ever learn.

One thing for sure - you’ll not get away with taunting any other team (not only BD), after the terrible display by your team. Someone will show you the mirror - that 0-3 against SRL reserves wasn’t enough on field though.

Not sure where I was taunting BD. It's a fact that Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland or Zimbabwe are not good enough to play Test cricket right now. There is a massive gulf in skill between them and the top eight teams in world cricket. While Pakistan has been laughably bad lately, they still found enough in them to beat England in England comprehensively in 2018. West Indies have been fairly competitive too.

A two-tier system would mean two of Sri Lanka, Pakistan and West Indies would need to play against barely first-class level teams, which just should not happen in my honest opinion.

Stop taking everything to heart

 

[Relic]

Afghanistan arguably has the best spinners in the world. They were foolish enough to prepare a spinning wicket and their strategy backfired. That doesnt mean that everything is lost.
I see people deriving perverse pleasure from Afghan win over Bangladesh.
I am very certain that on that pitch against a raging rashid khan even the Indian batting might excpet Pujara would have been a fail.

And Pakistan would have surrendered just as meekly if not infinitely worse.

Its good to have a little fun, but the Afhan loss phainty has been going on for far too long.

As if there is any team in the world that would be comfortable against afgahn spinners on a spin friendly pitch.

For those who feel like disputing my points I only have 2 names - steven o' keefe and rangana herath.

Ps: India would still have won though

I love how people try to make Afghanistan look like they have the best spinners even though they haven't even faced a top side (except india) yet.
We all saw how badly Rashid Khan was thrashed when he played against India

Why do people overrated these afghan spinners so highly? It baffles me
In LOIs, I somewhat agree that they are very good but in tests?? How can you even come to that conclusion when Afghanistan hasn't even had a full fledged series yet against a top test side??

 

[MMHS]

Not sure where I was taunting BD. It's a fact that Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland or Zimbabwe are not good enough to play Test cricket right now. There is a massive gulf in skill between them and the top eight teams in world cricket. While Pakistan has been laughably bad lately, they still found enough in them to beat England in England comprehensively in 2018. West Indies have been fairly competitive too.

A two-tier system would mean two of Sri Lanka, Pakistan and West Indies would need to play against barely first-class level teams, which just should not happen in my honest opinion.

Stop taking everything to heart

There shouldn’t be any tier for Test - if it has to be, it must be on a logic; not based on your honest opinion. BD drew last series in SRL 1-1 and beat WIN 2-0 at home .... and PAK lost a Test to Mughabe’s ZIM.

I don’t take everything on heart, but you have to satisfy my head as well. The amount of laughter I read here after BD was bundled for 43, being put on a damp wicket ... didn’t see fraction of that when PAK made 81 chasing 180 against same team. This thread is bumped on the day BD lost to one of the best ever teams at home .... but I don’t see PAK posters recalling an inning defeat by Mathew Hayden (yes, Mathew Hayden, not AUSTRALIA; his individual 119 was more than 58 & 58) .... of a team after 50 years of Test cricket experience.

No one is entitled, and definitely not PAK team - respect is earned, so is status. If there is a split, top 6 ranked teams will be in top half, bottom six in bottom half - after that promotion & relegation. If the 7th ranked team is good enough, they’ll move up displacing the bottom team of top tier.

 

[Napa]

bangladesh can quickly become a powerhouse in cricket.

all that needs to be done, is create a two tier system, and put bangladesh with the rest of the minnows, where they belong.

This is Brutal!

this is going to cause some serious ripples lol ....

There shouldn’t be any tier for Test - if it has to be, it must be on a logic; not based on your honest opinion. BD drew last series in SRL 1-1 and beat WIN 2-0 at home .... and PAK lost a Test to Mughabe’s ZIM.

I don’t take everything on heart, but you have to satisfy my head as well. The amount of laughter I read here after BD was bundled for 43, being put on a damp wicket ... didn’t see fraction of that when PAK made 81 chasing 180 against same team.

It is ironic that Pakistani posters made fun of Bangladesh, and suggested a two-tier system not quite realizing that their #7 ranked team is itself in the bottom half of Test playing nations.

No one is entitled, and definitely not PAK team - respect is earned, so is status. If there is a split, top 6 ranked teams will be in top half, bottom six in bottom half - after that promotion & relegation. If the 7th ranked team is good enough, they’ll move up displacing the bottom team of top tier.

Respect is earned due to making an effort, and I saw the Bangladeshi players making an effort. Winning and losing is part of the game, no one needs to make fun of anyone else.

 

[Bel_Homme]

Afghanistan arguably has the best spinners in the world. They were foolish enough to prepare a spinning wicket and their strategy backfired. That doesnt mean that everything is lost.
I see people deriving perverse pleasure from Afghan win over Bangladesh.
I am very certain that on that pitch against a raging rashid khan even the Indian batting might excpet Pujara would have been a fail.

And Pakistan would have surrendered just as meekly if not infinitely worse.

Its good to have a little fun, but the Afhan loss phainty has been going on for far too long.

As if there is any team in the world that would be comfortable against afgahn spinners on a spin friendly pitch.

For those who feel like disputing my points I only have 2 names - steven o' keefe and rangana herath.

Ps: India would still have won though

If and but is a silly arguement, we need to look into facts. The only test match India played against Afg (just after Afg whitewashed BD in a T20 series), it got over in 2.5 days.

I am not not implying anything and was just replying to that poster, who was giving excuse of no practice game and many superstar players missing from BD team is the reason for the loss. I was just reminding him that after dropping a test match at home against 5 test match old Afg team, it sounds like an excuse.

Also, the reason people keep on bringing that Afg test because losing a home test against Afg after almost a day gets washout due to rain is utter humiliation, whichever way you look into it. Afg has beaten BD many times in LOIs too but no one care much as upsets do happen in shorter format. But most often than not better team win in a test match. And as it stands today, powerhouse team is trailing 1-0 H2H against Afg in the format that matters most.

So who is the better cricket team? Well I am leaving it for you to guess

 

[Usman Chadda]

There shouldn’t be any tier for Test - if it has to be, it must be on a logic; not based on your honest opinion. BD drew last series in SRL 1-1 and beat WIN 2-0 at home .... and PAK lost a Test to Mughabe’s ZIM.

I don’t take everything on heart, but you have to satisfy my head as well. The amount of laughter I read here after BD was bundled for 43, being put on a damp wicket ... didn’t see fraction of that when PAK made 81 chasing 180 against same team. This thread is bumped on the day BD lost to one of the best ever teams at home .... but I don’t see PAK posters recalling an inning defeat by Mathew Hayden (yes, Mathew Hayden, not AUSTRALIA; his individual 119 was more than 58 & 58) .... of a team after 50 years of Test cricket experience.

No one is entitled, and definitely not PAK team - respect is earned, so is status. If there is a split, top 6 ranked teams will be in top half, bottom six in bottom half - after that promotion & relegation. If the 7th ranked team is good enough, they’ll move up displacing the bottom team of top tier.

I did not say we are entitled, and you conveniently miss out the point about me advocating West Indies not playing associate level teams either. When you are responding to me, only respond to what I have said, rather than generalize. Pakistan and West Indies are a level above Bangladesh in Test cricket, which is a fact. For them to play Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Ireland and Zimbabwe should not be on, IF there is a tier system. I'm not in favor of tier systems for Test cricket anyway.

I see Pakistan fans here being gracious and giving Bangladesh due respect, specially when it comes to ODI cricket. However, everyone here sees you spewing garbage against Pakistan time and again. Bangladesh is not a good enough to prevent you from being made fun of when it all goes pear-shaped for you.

Everyone here remembers the 'Pakistan cricket will fall below Uganda', 'Bangladesh should be able to beat Pakistan easily in the WC game'. You are setting yourself up to be trolled by making such statements, so don't come crying here when it happens

 

[MenInG]

Some of you have received warnings and PMs etc

CALM Down!

No need to post derogatory remarks about anyone!

 

[Bel_Homme]

Not doubting their powerhouse status but BD needs to improve more. Getting all out for 106 in 1st innings is so not on.

 

[Shoaib88]

Not doubting their powerhouse status but BD needs to improve more. Getting all out for 106 in 1st innings is so not on.

well you do realise its Pink ball test? the ball is swinging like crazy even by average bangladeshi bowlers. Don't think any other Asian team can even get 100 against best test bowling lineup in the world in their own backyard in a pink-ball test.

 

[Bel_Homme]

well you do realise its Pink ball test? the ball is swinging like crazy even by average bangladeshi bowlers. Don't think any other Asian team can even get 100 against best test bowling lineup in the world in their own backyard in a pink-ball test.

Totally agree..hence I said not doubting them. With red ball...we would have perhaps got that glimpse of powerhouse talent.

 

[ethan hunt]

They need to find some fast bowlers.
They 'll never be a top side without a fast bowling culture.

 

[ethan hunt]

There shouldn’t be any tier for Test - if it has to be, it must be on a logic; not based on your honest opinion. BD drew last series in SRL 1-1 and beat WIN 2-0 at home .... and PAK lost a Test to Mughabe’s ZIM.

I don’t take everything on heart, but you have to satisfy my head as well. The amount of laughter I read here after BD was bundled for 43, being put on a damp wicket ... didn’t see fraction of that when PAK made 81 chasing 180 against same team. This thread is bumped on the day BD lost to one of the best ever teams at home .... but I don’t see PAK posters recalling an inning defeat by Mathew Hayden (yes, Mathew Hayden, not AUSTRALIA; his individual 119 was more than 58 & 58) .... of a team after 50 years of Test cricket experience.

No one is entitled, and definitely not PAK team - respect is earned, so is status. If there is a split, top 6 ranked teams will be in top half, bottom six in bottom half - after that promotion & relegation. If the 7th ranked team is good enough, they’ll move up displacing the bottom team of top tier.

Its all in good spirit.
After all you are the same poster who said that Pakistan will be competing with Uganda in 2020.

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm sorry but this was very pooor from BD.

Minnow level.

 

[Slim]

Sorry but no.

 

[Manunited18]

Once a minnow always a minnow

 

[Ronaldo7]

BD’s as much as a powerhouse in cricket as India is a Supa Powa in world poltics

 

[Rellu_Katta]

dont think any post has come back to bite anyone in the backside other than this lol

was having a chat with 1 of my BD colleague and his only arguments were

1) We missing Sakib and Mushfiq so this doesnt count..... Ans - Well all matches we lost since 2010 till 2015, can easily say "dont count" bcz we didnt have Aamir ... so buhhuuuu... and if for any reason mushfiq gets injured, BD shld call their team back home from all cpmpitition as they obviously cannot compete?

2) Play on our home ground and we will see... lol so then BD shld just forfit all away games, save time money and dashing tears?

on serious note, extremly disappointed by the BCB performance... these pitches hsld have been almost like their home ground.. low, slow.... but BD have let themselves, their fans and Pakistani fans down

Also, wat happened to tht all rounder Saffi-ud-din (i think thats his name) who played in the WC.. i thght he was a decent all rounder with good depth bowling skills

 

[The Googly]

Lets be honest - Shakib and Mushfiq would make no different to this result. Sadly, Bangladesh have made very little progress.

Here's the main problem. Bangladesh have had a 'golden age' group of players :

1. Tamin - on the wane.
2. Mushfiq - god batsman in all formats
3. Shakib - world class allrounder out for a year and now around 33
4. Mahmadullah - ordinary player on his last legs
5. Mashrafe - finished
6. Mushfiqur Rahim....has been found out


My question - what are Bangladesh going to do without these 5?

 

[Mamoon]

A full-strength Bangladesh, with Shakib and Mushfiq, is the second best Asian in side in LOIs when it comes to Asian pitches.

However, in Test cricket they have a long way to go. Overall, they have definitely made big strides in the last 10 years and are on the right track.

 

[MenInG]

Lets be honest - Shakib and Mushfiq would make no different to this result. Sadly, Bangladesh have made very little progress.

Here's the main problem. Bangladesh have had a 'golden age' group of players :

1. Tamin - on the wane.
2. Mushfiq - god batsman in all formats
3. Shakib - world class allrounder out for a year and now around 33
4. Mahmadullah - ordinary player on his last legs
5. Mashrafe - finished
6. Mushfiqur Rahim....has been found out


My question - what are Bangladesh going to do without these 5?

Excellent and informative post which asks some valid questions - unlike some other broken records on this thread.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Lets be honest - Shakib and Mushfiq would make no different to this result. Sadly, Bangladesh have made very little progress.

Here's the main problem. Bangladesh have had a 'golden age' group of players :

1. Tamin - on the wane.
2. Mushfiq - god batsman in all formats
3. Shakib - world class allrounder out for a year and now around 33
4. Mahmadullah - ordinary player on his last legs
5. Mashrafe - finished
6. Mushfiqur Rahim....has been found out


My question - what are Bangladesh going to do without these 5?

Golden era? What have these players won for Bangladesh? Shakib is probably the only one to leave a legacy of some sorts. They'll never be a decent team until they unearth good pace bowlers.

Rahim and Shakib wouldnt have made much of a difference here.

 

[MMHS]

Its all in good spirit.
After all you are the same poster who said that Pakistan will be competing with Uganda in 2020.

I am sure you are misquoting next here - please, don’t try to put words and expect that I’ll be waiting silent.

Anyway, it’s in all good spirt, but I expect honesty from posters as well.

 

[MMHS]

Lets be honest - Shakib and Mushfiq would make no different to this result. Sadly, Bangladesh have made very little progress.

Here's the main problem. Bangladesh have had a 'golden age' group of players :

1. Tamin - on the wane.
2. Mushfiq - god batsman in all formats
3. Shakib - world class allrounder out for a year and now around 33
4. Mahmadullah - ordinary player on his last legs
5. Mashrafe - finished
6. Mushfiqur Rahim....has been found out


My question - what are Bangladesh going to do without these 5?

Good to see you are back in BD threads.... after Asia Cup - 2018, where I did ask you some questions are end.... still waiting. And, I have to recall your Asian rating before Asia Cup, before losing to a BD team without Shakib, Tamim.

Anyway, these are valid questions indeed, but I think I have answered it many times and I’ll say the same - progress in any game is a continuous process, and system produces players. There could be some outstanding individuals but overall game won’t improve if the competition level increases. For BD these four-five players are playing for almost 15 years now because they had none to challenge - that has changed now. We have several players pushing the seniors, which wasn’t the case few years back. Junior teams are also doing better than past. Next step is bringing world class players from these bunch - indeed it’ll be a problem if we can’t do that.

 

[MMHS]

Golden era? What have these players won for Bangladesh? Shakib is probably the only one to leave a legacy of some sorts. They'll never be a decent team until they unearth good pace bowlers.

Rahim and Shakib wouldnt have made much of a difference here.

PAK is ranked 1 in T20 and BD 10th therefore I don’t think there was much of a doubt in the results - any win by BD would be considered as an upset. I can come up lots of excuses - key players missing, team wasn’t prepared for the tour - was almost forced at last minutes, team missing the coaching staff, didn’t have the time to acclimatisation .... we are under an irregular captain .. and the tour is in PAK - but every BD posters here & more or less everywhere actually have accepted that PAK is a far better T20 team and as expected winners.

In contrast, 5 years and counting - I haven’t read any posters who criticises BD’s cricket to give the due respect for 2015, 3-0 series win which they won by absolute dominance. I can list some of the excuses - new rebuilding team, Azhar’s captaincy, WY’s coaching, wrong selection, wrong combination, wrong tactics, fluke win .... never read a single line that BD actually played well there.

Sometimes soul searching helps - this thread is bumped after PAK has won a T20 series at home with this BD team ....

 

[praveen]

Has any team been minnows for this long ? They show glimpses of having turned the corner but fall back to playing mediocre cricket again. Something wrong at the grassroots level and the fans need to give the team a strong dose of reality instead of treating them as world beaters.

 

[sweep_shot]

I'm sorry but this was very pooor from BD.

Minnow level.

Agreed. If they keep on playing like this, BD may lose to likes of Netherlands and Scotland.

I seriously don't know what happened since the WC. It has been a free fall. They were not this bad between 2015 and right before the WC.

 

[Saj]

They've not been at their best in any facet on this tour so far which is disappointing.

I was expecting a much harder-fought series but I guess what this shows is just how important Mushfiqur is to their team.

 

[sweep_shot]

They've not been at their best in any facet on this tour so far which is disappointing.

I was expecting a much harder-fought series but I guess what this shows is just how important Mushfiqur is to their team.

It has been a free fall since the World Cup. BD even lost to Afghanistan at home. They were not this bad even 2 years ago.

Really don't know what to say. This is probably a psychological/confidence issue; they seem completely shot down mentally.

Maybe a solid home series win can help them to gain confidence back.

 

[The Googly]

PAK is ranked 1 in T20 and BD 10th therefore I don’t think there was much of a doubt in the results - any win by BD would be considered as an upset. I can come up lots of excuses - key players missing, team wasn’t prepared for the tour - was almost forced at last minutes, team missing the coaching staff, didn’t have the time to acclimatisation .... we are under an irregular captain .. and the tour is in PAK - but every BD posters here & more or less everywhere actually have accepted that PAK is a far better T20 team and as expected winners.

In contrast, 5 years and counting - I haven’t read any posters who criticises BD’s cricket to give the due respect for 2015, 3-0 series win which they won by absolute dominance. I can list some of the excuses - new rebuilding team, Azhar’s captaincy, WY’s coaching, wrong selection, wrong combination, wrong tactics, fluke win .... never read a single line that BD actually played well there.

Sometimes soul searching helps - this thread is bumped after PAK has won a T20 series at home with this BD team ....

I come to the forum when I have time so my apologies- I did not see your question.

To answer another poster, the 6 players I mentioned did represent a golden era for Bangladesh despite not winning anything because quite simply they have been the finest set of Bangladesh players in their history.

It is similar to the England football teams golden era a few years ago.

The point I am making still needs to be asked. Take out the 5 players mentioned. Who else in Bangladesh can pick up the mantle? I don’t think the other players are in the class of these 5. This is a crucial phase in Bangladesh’s cricket history

 

[Saj]

It has been a free fall since the World Cup. BD even lost to Afghanistan at home. They were not this bad even 2 years ago.

Really don't know what to say. This is probably a psychological/confidence issue; they seem completely shot down mentally.

Maybe a solid home series win can help them to gain confidence back.

I think Tamim is under pressure. He used to give them fast starts but now his role has changed as he's not getting much support in the batting line-up.

 

[MMHS]

I come to the forum when I have time so my apologies- I did not see your question.

To answer another poster, the 6 players I mentioned did represent a golden era for Bangladesh despite not winning anything because quite simply they have been the finest set of Bangladesh players in their history.

It is similar to the England football teams golden era a few years ago.

The point I am making still needs to be asked. Take out the 5 players mentioned. Who else in Bangladesh can pick up the mantle? I don’t think the other players are in the class of these 5. This is a crucial phase in Bangladesh’s cricket history

Indeed it’s the crucial phase of BD cricket - and I am sure it’s not not only PAK that’s allowed here in PP to go through a rebuilding phase. One generation goes, next generation takes over - that’s in every sports. Those who can manage that, can stay on top.

I am not giving any excuse here and we are actually not the best T20 side, but this is one of the youngest BD teams around, there are few in U19 team who will force their way in couple of years time. Individually, finding a player of Shakib’s calibre is rare, almost a matter of luck, but I don’t think overall the teams’ strength will go down, in fact it’ll improve.

I haven’t see the games here, but from scorecard I can see the team management is struggling to identify players here - even what we have, they are not utilising that.

 

[MMHS]

I think Tamim is under pressure. He used to give them fast starts but now his role has changed as he's not getting much support in the batting line-up.

They have very little clue of what’s going around - that batting order is absolute clueless and they opted to bat first both times in a day game, which is even more surprising. Tamim actually is playing his normal game of hanging around, but there is no enforcer in other end. And I am not sure why they are trying to extract a Stokes out of Soumya at 6.

 

[MMHS]

I think Tamim is under pressure. He used to give them fast starts but now his role has changed as he's not getting much support in the batting line-up.

They didn’t pick a SLAO spinner either, which is a must for PAK series.

 

[The Googly]

Indeed it’s the crucial phase of BD cricket - and I am sure it’s not not only PAK that’s allowed here in PP to go through a rebuilding phase. One generation goes, next generation takes over - that’s in every sports. Those who can manage that, can stay on top.

I am not giving any excuse here and we are actually not the best T20 side, but this is one of the youngest BD teams around, there are few in U19 team who will force their way in couple of years time. Individually, finding a player of Shakib’s calibre is rare, almost a matter of luck, but I don’t think overall the teams’ strength will go down, in fact it’ll improve.

I haven’t see the games here, but from scorecard I can see the team management is struggling to identify players here - even what we have, they are not utilising that.

Do you agree Fizz is no longer a force and maybe IPL messed him up?

 

[Usman Chadda]

PAK is ranked 1 in T20 and BD 10th therefore I don’t think there was much of a doubt in the results - any win by BD would be considered as an upset. I can come up lots of excuses - key players missing, team wasn’t prepared for the tour - was almost forced at last minutes, team missing the coaching staff, didn’t have the time to acclimatisation .... we are under an irregular captain .. and the tour is in PAK - but every BD posters here & more or less everywhere actually have accepted that PAK is a far better T20 team and as expected winners.

In contrast, 5 years and counting - I haven’t read any posters who criticises BD’s cricket to give the due respect for 2015, 3-0 series win which they won by absolute dominance. I can list some of the excuses - new rebuilding team, Azhar’s captaincy, WY’s coaching, wrong selection, wrong combination, wrong tactics, fluke win .... never read a single line that BD actually played well there.

Sometimes soul searching helps - this thread is bumped after PAK has won a T20 series at home with this BD team ....

You are right, this is not coming as a surprise to most of us here honestly. But I did not expect your boys to play with no intent whatsoever and disappoint the crowd that is coming in to see the revival of cricket in Pakistan.

There is no point in giving excuses here, as Bangladesh would have got beat comprehensively even with Shakib and Rahim in the line-up. Your bowling is just horrendous to watch, sorry to say.

Nah, theres nothing wrong with giving credit to Bangladesh for that 2015 win. Although it's true we had Saad Nasim and Haris Sohail bowling ten-odd overs between themselves, and jokers like Fawad Alam playing ODI cricket. But Bangladesh can only beat who they play, and they recorded impressive victories over India and South Africa later in the season.

However, for a 'golden generation' of players, they have done jack besides a win here and there. Sometimes soul-searching does help, yes. Your best ever player had the tournament of his life and yet your team ended up on 8th place in the World Cup

 

[MMHS]

Do you agree Fizz is no longer a force and maybe IPL messed him up?

He was never a conventional bowler, now struggling for rhythm as well.

Here, he is struggling because he is out of his comfort zone - he is a pressure bowler who’ll surprise you with variety of cutters, change of pace etc. - for that he needs runs to defend or at least batsmen going after him trying to set a target. If you notice his career carefully, his better performances are often in first innings, when batsmen are trying to force issue. To defend 140is total, he doesn’t have the pace or conventional skills to get batsmen out through their defence.

I think, he will still be a good LO bowler, but obviously his start was so good that he’ll always struggle to match that level.

 

[Saj]

Shakib missing is a massive loss too.

He would hold the batting together, bowl 4 tidy overs, pick up wickets, was tidy in the field and help with the captaincy and leadership.

You are losing a multi-dimensional cricketer.

 

[MMHS]

You are right, this is not coming as a surprise to most of us here honestly. But I did not expect your boys to play with no intent whatsoever and disappoint the crowd that is coming in to see the revival of cricket in Pakistan.

There is no point in giving excuses here, as Bangladesh would have got beat comprehensively even with Shakib and Rahim in the line-up. Your bowling is just horrendous to watch, sorry to say.

Nah, theres nothing wrong with giving credit to Bangladesh for that 2015 win. Although it's true we had Saad Nasim and Haris Sohail bowling ten-odd overs between themselves, and jokers like Fawad Alam playing ODI cricket. But Bangladesh can only beat who they play, and they recorded impressive victories over India and South Africa later in the season.

However, for a 'golden generation' of players, they have done jack besides a win here and there. Sometimes soul-searching does help, yes. Your best ever player had the tournament of his life and yet your team ended up on 8th place in the World Cup

I don’t disagree that - but you think it other way. In 1992 PAK team came for two days trip to Dhaka on way to NZ, and in an execution game, Athar Ali hit WY, bowling 12 yards rip-up, 3 fours in first over - he had 2 minutes of news space that night in national 8pm news ..... it takes time to develop into a sport. That 8th spot is for a team that started playing cricket seriously 25 years back. In contrast, what PAK did in Australia after 70 years of cricket at highest level - I didn’t see any reaction that in terms of the future or quality of cricket. All I read was Misbah’s selection & coaching ..... and, I am sure I won’t see any threads either after the coming summer tour of England.

I do lots of soul searching about cricket and I actually do know where our cricket is. Problem is, you guys do your soul searching at the expense of BD, instead of India - and that’s the mother of all problems. What you write here for BD cricket, Indians can double it up and still it won’t be balanced - you’ll call foul or figure out that Warner/Smith was banned ... but no issues with Shakib/Mushfiqur.

 

[MMHS]

Shakib missing is a massive loss too.

He would hold the batting together, bowl 4 tidy overs, pick up wickets, was tidy in the field and help with the captaincy and leadership.

You are losing a multi-dimensional cricketer.

He is batting at no. 3 as well and he was the main weapon for his SLAO spin. However, I actually don’t consider Shakib as a loss, because he is banned, something part of your game. Mushi is a big loss, because he hold the key middle order spot and guy clinically chased a target against India few weeks back. Missing him means, there is no middle order to anchor the innings and I am sure that’s the only reason they opted to bat first here - not sure about chasing ability with this squad.

 

[The Googly]

I don’t disagree that - but you think it other way. In 1992 PAK team came for two days trip to Dhaka on way to NZ, and in an execution game, Athar Ali hit WY, bowling 12 yards rip-up, 3 fours in first over - he had 2 minutes of news space that night in national 8pm news ..... it takes time to develop into a sport. That 8th spot is for a team that started playing cricket seriously 25 years back. In contrast, what PAK did in Australia after 70 years of cricket at highest level - I didn’t see any reaction that in terms of the future or quality of cricket. All I read was Misbah’s selection & coaching ..... and, I am sure I won’t see any threads either after the coming summer tour of England.

I do lots of soul searching about cricket and I actually do know where our cricket is. Problem is, you guys do your soul searching at the expense of BD, instead of India - and that’s the mother of all problems. What you write here for BD cricket, Indians can double it up and still it won’t be balanced - you’ll call foul or figure out that Warner/Smith was banned ... but no issues with Shakib/Mushfiqur.

Shakib and Mushfiq are world class players and would certainly have made a difference. However, this Bangladesh team is so poor that I’m not sure even these 2 would have affected the results.

 

[MMHS]

Shakib and Mushfiq are world class players and would certainly have made a difference. However, this Bangladesh team is so poor that I’m not sure even these 2 would have affected the results.

First match would have been really tight (in fact it was much tighter than I expected).

The reason is not for batting only but the balance that Shakib brings. We went with 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers to cover the batting weakness and kept four overs by part-timers. Add to that attack, 4 overs from Shakib as 5th bowler, I do believe PAK would have struggled to win that one - it went to 117th ball and had that fool grabbed the skier by Rizwan, PAK would have still needed two in three balls, 6 down.

But, I think we should always judge result based on what is there - I never complained about who is there or who is not; in fact I was one who wrote in that Asia Cup that whoever is there, we have to fight it with that.

It’s the PP invention of B, C, D team concept, which actually is hurting PAK more than anyone.

 

[jnaveen1980]

BD still relies on 2007 world cup batch cricketers. Most of the current world class players were yet to make debut for their country. Some were playing under-19. Since 2007 world cup Bangladesh has scored a total of 45 centuries in one dayers. Kohli, Rohit, Kane williamson, Root, Smith, Warner all made debut after the 2007 world cup. Look at the stature they have achieved. Kohli alone has 43 centuries. They have ceiling beyond which they don't grow. You need to produce one world class player atleast every 5 years. Look at Afghanistan. World. no.1 ranked T20 bowler Rashid Khan world no.2 bowler Mujibur . In one dayers Mujeebur is world no.3. Passion is there. But growth is not there. Even Nepal bowler is valued more in the IPL than Bangladesh bowler.

 

[MMHS]

BD still relies on 2007 world cup batch cricketers. Most of the current world class players were yet to make debut for their country. Some were playing under-19. Since 2007 world cup Bangladesh has scored a total of 45 centuries in one dayers. Kohli, Rohit, Kane williamson, Root, Smith, Warner all made debut after the 2007 world cup. Look at the stature they have achieved. Kohli alone has 43 centuries. They have ceiling beyond which they don't grow. You need to produce one world class player atleast every 5 years. Look at Afghanistan. World. no.1 ranked T20 bowler Rashid Khan world no.2 bowler Mujibur . In one dayers Mujeebur is world no.3. Passion is there. But growth is not there. Even Nepal bowler is valued more in the IPL than Bangladesh bowler.

Your example is wrong bro - it doesn’t work that way. By this note, you can also say that by 2010, BD produced the No. 1 Test & ODI all rounder. The Nepal bowler is completely marketing gimmick - it expanded IPL business to Nepal, otherwise .... when ICL started, they hosted a full BD team as early as 2007 - don’t tell me it was for cricket.

The only gap that we couldn’t bridge yet is that we are constantly poor outside home and not competing with Asian teams in our stronger area. Instead of IND, PAK, SRL - replace same amount of games with ENG, SAF, AUS, NZ & AUS - results would have been far better. It’s just that IND, PAK, SRL had a head start and we are doing catch up; while the cricket world has divided as such that we don’t get enough games outside home.

Don’t even think that I am giving excuses here, but you have to understand the perspective as well. Talking about the AFGs - good luck to them. That Lakhnau Test should give you some idea about what it’s like to be once established teams take notice of you.

 

[MMHS]

BD still relies on 2007 world cup batch cricketers. Most of the current world class players were yet to make debut for their country. Some were playing under-19. Since 2007 world cup Bangladesh has scored a total of 45 centuries in one dayers. Kohli, Rohit, Kane williamson, Root, Smith, Warner all made debut after the 2007 world cup. Look at the stature they have achieved. Kohli alone has 43 centuries. They have ceiling beyond which they don't grow. You need to produce one world class player atleast every 5 years. Look at Afghanistan. World. no.1 ranked T20 bowler Rashid Khan world no.2 bowler Mujibur . In one dayers Mujeebur is world no.3. Passion is there. But growth is not there. Even Nepal bowler is valued more in the IPL than Bangladesh bowler.

Just to add bro, because I am really disturbed today - there are few troll threads here which is bumped after every time BD loses a game, which must be a favourite pass time in PP.

Mo Salah is paid higher salary than any player from France, Germany, Brazil & Spain in EPL, and he is from Egypt....

Now to keep the glory of PP style bragging - please come back to tell me that BD is not Brazil, France, Germany, Spain ..... but Nepal is indeed achieved something in cricket for Lamichane’s IPL salary. I am ready to hear everything, because my team has lost a T20 series today.

 

[Swing]

They play poorly away from home and they haven't found a proper superstar fast bowler. I predict another five years at least before their team is good enough to give us trouble at home.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Your example is wrong bro - it doesn’t work that way. By this note, you can also say that by 2010, BD produced the No. 1 Test & ODI all rounder. The Nepal bowler is completely marketing gimmick - it expanded IPL business to Nepal, otherwise .... when ICL started, they hosted a full BD team as early as 2007 - don’t tell me it was for cricket.

The only gap that we couldn’t bridge yet is that we are constantly poor outside the home and not competing with Asian teams in our stronger area. Instead of IND, PAK, SRL - replace the same amount of games with ENG, SAF, AUS, NZ & AUS - results would have been far better. It’s just that IND, PAK, SRL had a head start and we are doing catch up; while the cricket world has divided as such that we don’t get enough games outside the home.

Don’t even think that I am giving excuses here, but you have to understand the perspective as well. Talking about the AFGs - good luck to them. That Lakhnau Test should give you some idea about what it’s like to be once established teams take notice of you.

Shakib is the only decent player BD has produced. They still rely on him. Don't you think there is a woeful shortage of world-class talents in BD? Mominul started strong. Did well for a couple of years. He never went to the next level. They just reach a point and they don't grow after that. They need exposure. The county is one good option. It is a reflection of poor domestic structure. They have to convince BCCI to play matches against top Ranji Teams like Mumbai, Karnataka. Trust me it is very hard for foreign teams to beat some of the Indian domestic teams. They are battle-hardened. Even the all-time great Australia was on the mat against Mumbai Ranji Trophy team.

 

[Darkrai]

To be fair, if you take out Hafeez and Malik, Pakistan is no better than this current Bangladesh team-as we saw when SL reserves toured and in Aus. In short, I agree that Shakib and Mushfiqur would have made a big difference for Bangladesh like Hafeez and Malik did for Pakistan.

 

[Banton10]

Their under19 team is vey good.
Its just matter of time they will have 2-3 good batsman.

 

[sweep_shot]

I firmly believe that main problem with BD team has always been mental. They are mentally super-weak. They go into a shell once there is just a little bit of pressure. It probably has something to do with our generally timid culture. Bangladeshis (many of them) are soft by nature and you can't win in sports if you are soft. Good news is, younger generations are much more daring and hopefully they will do better in future.

I think that in order for BD to improve, there needs to be a massive wholesale change in psychology. Players need to feel like warriors and they need to play like hungry hyenas. Just look at Aussies. Their mindset is the reason why they always bounce back after any setback. That is what is missing. That natural aggression/confidence/determination is missing.

You can hire all the great coaches in the world but team can't win if players aren't mentally strong enough. Technical deficiencies can be fixed with coaching but mental strengths/motivations need to come from within players.

 

[Mesozoic]

Not the right time to bump this thread.
Yes , they were poor but they were missing their 2 best players who could have made a big difference in the outcome of atleast one game in this series. But yes, got to say that their reserves are looking extremely mediocre.

 

[MMHS]

Shakib is the only decent player BD has produced. They still rely on him. Don't you think there is a woeful shortage of world-class talents in BD? Mominul started strong. Did well for a couple of years. He never went to the next level. They just reach a point and they don't grow after that. They need exposure. The county is one good option. It is a reflection of poor domestic structure. They have to convince BCCI to play matches against top Ranji Teams like Mumbai, Karnataka. Trust me it is very hard for foreign teams to beat some of the Indian domestic teams. They are battle-hardened. Even the all-time great Australia was on the mat against Mumbai Ranji Trophy team.

ATG Australia was on mat in a practice game - they were on mat against BD team in 2006 .... and normally, Asian teams used to start AUS tour at WACA against the reserves of Western Australia- some games ended in 3 days with hosts winning by innings.

The state that Indian cricket has reached is after almost 100 years of association of top level cricket, with the infrastructure built, a cricket culture developed and there is an established system .... we started playing proper FC cricket starting for 2008..... the reflection of Bangladesh domestic cricket should give much better picture actually within 10-12 years of journey - in that regard go back to even 80s, and try to see the reflection of Ranji trophy....

I actually think opposite - there is outstanding talents at junior level; but the system & infrastructure are not developed yet for them to be shifted into next level. And, BD is not a first world country that suddenly Govt will spend $1.2 bn for “cricket project”. It has to developed gradually - just about 15 years back, there was one ICC accredited stadium - that too shared with soccer..... something common with India of 1950s, when Eden Gardens was shared between cricket & soccer....

The biggest challenge is that this game is mastered through longer version, something is diminishing from works cricket - result is even established cricket forces like Pakistan, Srilanka, West Indies, Newzeland are falling behind - we didn’t even start there. Yes, you can say - why not in T20 then ... trust me, once this current crops of players developed from FC system retire, you’ll see where these teams head. Even in this series - take out Malik & Hafeez .....

Playing County/Shield cricket indeed will help, something Afghans are enjoying - but why should they allow our players to use & develop in their system? In last 12 months, England U19 has lost 9-10 games they played against BD U19 - 35 years back, I can bet at least 3-4 of these players would have ended with some sort of County contracts .... today, Counties are struggling to serve even their own players.

It has to be within our own resources and with our own budget - no free ride here. First part of that journey is to build a financially viable model, which they have established some what; next process is grass root level technical development- which is on going, third is development of infrastructure - which is extremely time consuming & costly, it’ll happen gradually. After all these, then you can expect BD team to compete at top level consistently - it took India 70 years to produce one Bumrah, why you think it’ll be so easy for us?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Just to add bro, because I am really disturbed today - there are few troll threads here which is bumped after every time BD loses a game, which must be a favourite pass time in PP.

Mo Salah is paid higher salary than any player from France, Germany, Brazil & Spain in EPL, and he is from Egypt....

Now to keep the glory of PP style bragging - please come back to tell me that BD is not Brazil, France, Germany, Spain ..... but Nepal is indeed achieved something in cricket for Lamichane’s IPL salary. I am ready to hear everything, because my team has lost a T20 series today.

Don't worry about others trolling your side if they keep on failing to meet your expectations year after year. They probably deserve the trolling. In fact you should troll your team too ). First BD has to hire cricket analyst who can dissect the stats for the past several years and help you identify the weak areas. Teams are using data anlaytics to select or pick a player. BD has to work on becoming a professional cricketing country. I am a hardcore stat buff. One of the secret reason i follow cricket is because of the amount of stats you can work with. Probably BD fans have to help your team with your statistical input.

 

[MMHS]

I firmly believe that main problem with BD team has always been mental. They are mentally super-weak. They go into a shell once there is just a little bit of pressure. It probably has something to do with our generally timid culture. Bangladeshis (many of them) are soft by nature and you can't win in sports if you are soft. Good news is, younger generations are much more daring and hopefully they will do better in future.

I think that in order for BD to improve, there needs to be a massive wholesale change in psychology. Players need to feel like warriors and they need to play like hungry hyenas. Just look at Aussies. Their mindset is the reason why they always bounce back after any setback. That is what is missing. That natural aggression/confidence/determination is missing.

You can hire all the great coaches in the world but team can't win if players aren't mentally strong enough. Technical deficiencies can be fixed with coaching but mental strengths/motivations need to come from within players.

This is completely wrong theory bro - timid by nature in sports. It doesn’t happen like that, rather it’s completely dependent on your skill set and experience, which determines how you react under pressure. I have heard many times from most BD fans that Afridi was lion hearted - absolute rubbish; he was so timid under pressure that he tried to get out of trouble blindly, once in a blue moon it’ll click and it did click at Dhaka. Confidence in sports is all about how much you are under control of the situation - that’s not genetical.

A common funda in olden days were that Germany are mentally super tough in soccer and you haven’t won against them until the whistle has gone - the truth is that the German soccer team always had the quality to fight till last. The German race didn’t change in few years - but that German mentality wasn’t shown in last WC, against Mexico or South Korea, or last few Euros!!!! Clue is somewhere else - at one time at least 20 of the 23 German players used to start for Real, Barca, Juve, Bayern, AC, Inter, Liverpool, MU ...... now their No. 9 is at Leipzig, No. 10 is Arsenal reserve and No. 11 is listed to be sold by ManCity.

I have seen India losing 6/35 in last 8 overs to lose by 4-5 runs against the bowling of ..... Viv Richards, then Henry Olonga .... on contrary, I have seen PAK batsmen hitting last ball six to win a final - it can’t be that PAK’s blood line has got polluted & players these days shakes under pressure. Confidence comes from your skill set, your command on the situation, your experience & your exposure to different conditions. In 1970s & 80s, majority of top PAK players used to play in Counties - they had the qualities, boldness as well - that reflected in their cricket.

What BD players are missing is a clear gap of skill set from top tier - they are out classed in most cases, experience as well and they have lost so many close games that hardly can smell blood when the chance is there; these are very much at per for all in U19 level, hence you see the difference- it’ll take one generation to overcome this. And technical proficiency is the first step for that - trust me, it’s not that Kohli has a lion heart & Babar does it with Larke Lenge roar; without technical skills, these guts & killer instincts hardly works.

 

[ZamanFan]

This powerhouse has helped jokes like Misbah,Shoaib Malik and Hafeez prolong their careers more than itself.

They never came to challenge Misbah's stategy of strangulating Bangladeshi batsmen. Misbah XI had nothing apart from bowlers, Bangladesh failed to capitalize and could not score more than 6.5 runs per over.

Disappointed with their cricket. They've recently played in their hosted BPL league where they invite sizable no. of Pakistani cricketers yet they were unable to compete.

Were found vulnerable whenever they faced pace (pitched up) or some movement. They were unable to score off Imad Wasim and Shadab.
Played too many dots and poor sense in running between the wickets. In the first match captaincy was also lacking. Captain of Bangladesh literally gifted easy singles with a spread out field. It shows in their approach Bangladeshi cricketers don't play much overseas nor have the game to adapt. Can't see what Mushfiq ur Rahim had done here, this team has huge problems after 19 years still Bangladesh need more competitive cricket.

 

[MMHS]

Don't worry about others trolling your side if they keep on failing to meet your expectations year after year. They probably deserve the trolling. In fact you should troll your team too ). First BD has to hire cricket analyst who can dissect the stats for the past several years and help you identify the weak areas. Teams are using data anlaytics to select or pick a player. BD has to work on becoming a professional cricketing country. I am a hardcore stat buff. One of the secret reason i follow cricket is because of the amount of stats you can work with. Probably BD fans have to help your team with your statistical input.

I do criticise our team, trolling is probably a bit harsh word. However, as I said many times - I’ll criticise them only when they are performing below expectations & I can’t justify the reason. The situation under which team is travelling & playing against PAK - I bet my house, any other team, we would have read different analysis here; but I never gave any excuse.

I know, someone will say I set low standards for the team, but I know exactly what to expect from them and when to criticise. Problem is - PP trolls first for BD to end behind HK in Asia Cup, then again trolls for losing in final to India on last ball. PP trolls for getting all out for 43, but don’t bump the thread six months later for winning against same team. PP trolls on BD playing in Ireland triangular - then troll again after winning the tournament... it’s against Ireland & West Indies.

They have one of the best cricket analyst in world - an Indian guy, who is in this business for 20+ years ... and he is not travelling with the team now. They are indeed taking every initiatives required to improve the game, but it doesn’t happen that you appoint one top analyst and next very day things will improve. One reason is that the rest of the world isn’t sitting idle - it’s not about how much you are improving, rather it’s about improving better than the people ahead of you..... or behind you.

Most of the BD fans have very little clue about cricket - it’s better that they should keep out of the “helping” part.

 

[MMHS]

This powerhouse has helped jokes like Misbah,Shoaib Malik and Hafeez prolong their careers more than itself.

They never came to challenge Misbah's stategy of strangulating Bangladeshi batsmen. Misbah XI had nothing apart from bowlers, Bangladesh failed to capitalize and could not score more than 6.5 runs per over.

Disappointed with their cricket. They've recently played in their hosted BPL league where they invite sizable no. of Pakistani cricketers yet they were unable to compete.

Were found vulnerable whenever they faced pace (pitched up) or some movement. They were unable to score off Imad Wasim and Shadab.
Played too many dots and poor sense in running between the wickets. In the first match captaincy was also lacking. Captain of Bangladesh literally gifted easy singles with a spread out field. It shows in their approach Bangladeshi cricketers don't play much overseas nor have the game to adapt. Can't see what Mushfiq ur Rahim had done here, this team has huge problems after 19 years still Bangladesh need more competitive cricket.

Bro, what you have written here, it’s completely true - unfortunately that was true at least by three times two months back when PAK was travelling Australia... after 70 years of cricket - and you’ll see it again 4 months later in UK, just wait. That route is not a monopoly for BD only.....

It’s a difficult route for us - need to play lots of game to improve.... but if we play lots of games against better teams, that loss margin will also be higher. I think, easier solution is probably to invite IRL, ZIM, Scotland, AFG, UAE ....

 

[jnaveen1980]

For what its worth this thread got me into watching the highlights of the T20. They showed one particular stat in between the highights. This is very poor.

 

[Hyperion66]

Not sure why BD is getting so much flak after losing two t20s on slow low pitches. They were never known for their t20 exploits in the first place. They didn't have services of two of their best players too. I am pretty dissappointed with Tamim though, not sure if he plays such innings purposely or he just doesn't have it in him to go big anymore.

 

[ZamanFan]

Bro, what you have written here, it’s completely true - unfortunately that was true at least by three times two months back when PAK was travelling Australia... after 70 years of cricket - and you’ll see it again 4 months later in UK, just wait. That route is not a monopoly for BD only.....

It’s a difficult route for us - need to play lots of game to improve.... but if we play lots of games against better teams, that loss margin will also be higher. I think, easier solution is probably to invite IRL, ZIM, Scotland, AFG, UAE ....

Please don't misconstrue and make foolish comparison, as you are very knowledgeable. Pakistani individual players won their first overseas test within 2 years of them being granted test status in 1954. A Pakistani who came from East Pakistan {now Bangladesh} hit a century at the age of 20 at Lord's.

Pakistan had already achieved a lot more within 10 years of them being granted test status, it really is nothing in comparison to what Bangladesh has done even in 19 years. Hanif Mohammed hit a 300 to save a test match when Pakistan test status was just 6 years back. Australia and other teams never canceled their tour in fear of competing a weak side, similar to what West Indies did to Sri Lanka in the 1980s.

Misbah ul Haq isn't representative of the brand of Pakistani cricket that has existed for long or its legacy. He is just a loyalist of a mafia who feeds on Bangladesh like teams.

 

[GrandMaster]

Not sure why BD is getting so much flak after losing two t20s on slow low pitches. They were never known for their t20 exploits in the first place. They didn't have services of two of their best players too. I am pretty dissappointed with Tamim though, not sure if he plays such innings purposely or he just doesn't have it in him to go big anymore.

No one is expecting Bangladesh to win the matches, but scoring 130s and 140s at a SR of 90 and 100 in T20 is a crime.

 

[MMHS]

Please don't misconstrue and make foolish comparison, as you are very knowledgeable. Pakistani individual players won their first overseas test within 2 years of them being granted test status in 1954. A Pakistani who came from East Pakistan {now Bangladesh} hit a century at the age of 20 at Lord's.

Pakistan had already achieved a lot more within 10 years of them being granted test status, it really is nothing in comparison to what Bangladesh has done even in 19 years. Hanif Mohammed hit a 300 to save a test match when Pakistan test status was just 6 years back. Australia and other teams never canceled their tour in fear of competing a weak side, similar to what West Indies did to Sri Lanka in the 1980s.

Misbah ul Haq isn't representative of the brand of Pakistani cricket that has existed for long or its legacy. He is just a loyalist of a mafia who feeds on Bangladesh like teams.

This is where you always make a mistake - PAK went into Test status from an established cricket system, being part of British Indian domestic cricket, therefore they had a readymade team going into Test cricket. Once that generation retirees, you could see the decline of PAK cricket in 60s - it was revived through the English county system, till late 90s when they stopped hiring foreigners in bulk. BD could have won a Test as well within two years of debut, that too away from home - why not, you probably know.

Coming to foolish comparison, you are actually exposing yourself again - no one is comparing first 10 years of each bounty. Rather I am telling that after 70 years where PAK has come ....

 

[MMHS]

Please don't misconstrue and make foolish comparison, as you are very knowledgeable. Pakistani individual players won their first overseas test within 2 years of them being granted test status in 1954. A Pakistani who came from East Pakistan {now Bangladesh} hit a century at the age of 20 at Lord's.

Pakistan had already achieved a lot more within 10 years of them being granted test status, it really is nothing in comparison to what Bangladesh has done even in 19 years. Hanif Mohammed hit a 300 to save a test match when Pakistan test status was just 6 years back. Australia and other teams never canceled their tour in fear of competing a weak side, similar to what West Indies did to Sri Lanka in the 1980s.

Misbah ul Haq isn't representative of the brand of Pakistani cricket that has existed for long or its legacy. He is just a loyalist of a mafia who feeds on Bangladesh like teams.

I had to recall this post again - did you mention Australia to down play Bangladesh here... really?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

BD have been disappointing no doubt. After that win against SA at the CWC, it all been downhill. Pakistan are on the upswing now. They have a fearsome quartet of Shaheen,Naseem, hasnain and rauf coming up and have Babar as well. BD needs to produce some world class talent as the likes of shakib and mushy don't have many years left anyway .

 

[MMHS]

For what its worth this thread got me into watching the highlights of the T20. They showed one particular stat in between the highights. This is very poor.

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I don’t think, there is much wrong in that picture - it was a low, slow wicket - had they targeted sticks, PAK batsmen would have waited for the ball and use wrist to flick through on side - the target was low, hence they had the time to wait.

In any form of cricket, you don’t target sticks, rather bring the ball in as a surprise element - there are few drifter down the line which was poor, but only two hitting the sticks are not the worst picture - in cricket, you can get batsmen out in multiple ways. They used similar line for first game and on that slow wicket got 2-3 caught behinds. This game, the score was well below per & Babar played a blinder at the start, otherwise Hafeez’s first 20-25 balks had a SR below 75.

 

[ZamanFan]

This is where you always make a mistake - PAK went into Test status from an established cricket system, being part of British Indian domestic cricket, therefore they had a readymade team going into Test cricket. Once that generation retirees, you could see the decline of PAK cricket in 60s - it was revived through the English county system, till late 90s when they stopped hiring foreigners in bulk. BD could have won a Test as well within two years of debut, that too away from home - why not, you probably know.

Coming to foolish comparison, you are actually exposing yourself again - no one is comparing first 10 years of each bounty. Rather I am telling that after 70 years where PAK has come ....

Rofl Bangladesh or East Pakistan at that time also had the same established cricket setup. Roquibul Hasan and Shafi Islam who later represented Bangladesh uptil 80s came from the same setup.

Apart from Abdul Hafeez Kardar, most of the Pakistan players who defeated England in England in 1954 never played for Indian team nor any state team.

Indian cricket team never allowed more than 3 Muslim players in its squad pre-partition.

Pakistan is way better than where west Indies is right now despite the biased system mostof the worlds pace battery is produced from Pakistan. Pakistan never has hit low in its 70 year cricket history like Bangladesh. Even in the lost decade the 60s, Pakistan had players like Hanif Muhammad,Mushtaq Muhammad and Imtiaz Ahmed.

Pakistani club team like Pakistan Eaglets used to compete with Australian, NZ and British First Class XIs.

Even the English county you give credit to confess that most British Asians from Yorkshire and Birmingham look upto Pakistan's 90s players Wasim, Waqar and Saeed Anwar.Mike Atherton and Nasser Hussain credit Pakistani cricketers for the popularity of cricket among British Asians.

Even I know that Bangladeshi channels used to televise Pakistan team matches in the 1991 -1997 period.

It is really stupid for you to compare Pakistan with Bangladesh. First see what Pakistan cricket team did in those 70 years in cricket and beyond.

 

[Shoaib88]

Pakistanis should be the last one belittling Bangladesh cricket team. You would have thought that after getting whitewashed by Sri Lankan C team at home and receiving a spanking of a lifetime to remember in Australia, it would have humbled some Pakistanis, but No.

 

[BDfanforever]

BD have been disappointing no doubt. After that win against SA at the CWC, it all been downhill. Pakistan are on the upswing now. They have a fearsome quartet of Shaheen,Naseem, hasnain and rauf coming up and have Babar as well. BD needs to produce some world class talent as the likes of shakib and mushy don't have many years left anyway .

I thought only recently in T20 they were blown away by SRL and Aus with scores such as 101 and 106.

Cricket really is just SENA domination, that's all there is to it. Even NZ which is supposed to be the weakest one of them, is incredibly good even with fraction of south asian population.

 

[Slim]

With out without Shakib or Mushfiq who are not world beaters by any means - Bangla is a minnow.

 

[Pakistanian]

I thought only recently in T20 they were blown away by SRL and Aus with scores such as 101 and 106.

Cricket really is just SENA domination, that's all there is to it. Even NZ which is supposed to be the weakest one of them, is incredibly good even with fraction of south asian population.

Pakistan is still ranked #1 in T20s

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I thought only recently in T20 they were blown away by SRL and Aus with scores such as 101 and 106.

Cricket really is just SENA domination, that's all there is to it. Even NZ which is supposed to be the weakest one of them, is incredibly good even with fraction of south asian population.

Yes, they were blown away like minnows by Australia but the fact is they are producing quality fast bowling talent atleast. The just need a couple of batters and they are set. BD have too many issues now. The talent coming through does not look impressive and not just in the fast bowling department.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don’t think, there is much wrong in that picture - it was a low, slow wicket - had they targeted sticks, PAK batsmen would have waited for the ball and use wrist to flick through on side - the target was low, hence they had the time to wait.

In any form of cricket, you don’t target sticks, rather bring the ball in as a surprise element - there are few drifter down the line which was poor, but only two hitting the sticks are not the worst picture - in cricket, you can get batsmen out in multiple ways. They used similar line for first game and on that slow wicket got 2-3 caught behinds. This game, the score was well below per & Babar played a blinder at the start, otherwise Hafeez’s first 20-25 balks had a SR below 75.

No. YOu have to target stumps. By not targeting stumps you are eliminating two major dismissals.

 

[MMHS]

Rofl Bangladesh or East Pakistan at that time also had the same established cricket setup. Roquibul Hasan and Shafi Islam who later represented Bangladesh uptil 80s came from the same setup.

Apart from Abdul Hafeez Kardar, most of the Pakistan players who defeated England in England in 1954 never played for Indian team nor any state team.

Indian cricket team never allowed more than 3 Muslim players in its squad pre-partition.

Pakistan is way better than where west Indies is right now despite the biased system mostof the worlds pace battery is produced from Pakistan. Pakistan never has hit low in its 70 year cricket history like Bangladesh. Even in the lost decade the 60s, Pakistan had players like Hanif Muhammad,Mushtaq Muhammad and Imtiaz Ahmed.

Pakistani club team like Pakistan Eaglets used to compete with Australian, NZ and British First Class XIs.

Even the English county you give credit to confess that most British Asians from Yorkshire and Birmingham look upto Pakistan's 90s players Wasim, Waqar and Saeed Anwar.Mike Atherton and Nasser Hussain credit Pakistani cricketers for the popularity of cricket among British Asians.

Even I know that Bangladeshi channels used to televise Pakistan team matches in the 1991 -1997 period.

It is really stupid for you to compare Pakistan with Bangladesh. First see what Pakistan cricket team did in those 70 years in cricket and beyond.

Your first line is where the problem is - I don’t think, I’ll be able to explain here. There is a senior poster here by the name of @Vetern, a Pakistani national living in east Pakistan in 1960s - searching some of his post will give you some insights.

No, it’s stupid to compare BD cricket with PAK’s record, which you are trying here - you don’t know where the next 50 years lies. If you were careful you could have thought starting similar time - where India is today, instead of your glory against BD. But, you can definitely compare where respective cricket has moved in last 20 years... and who should be concerned more here.

You have absolutely no clue about what County cricket did to Pakistan, better leave it there.

Anyway, it’s about BD cricket and I don’t think we have justified enough to be given Test status so prematurely - a decision that actually cost Kenya Test status, ICC got scared and Kenya lost their golden generation, eventually their cricket.

BUT, if you think you’ll enjoy your two seconds here because BD has lost a T20 series, you are in wrong space. We started as minnows, still are minnows, but improving - you have moved into minnows from that level in less than three decades & declining - just a shed better than us, but absolute shambles against big boys.

And, all your jumping today is because you got BD in a tight corner and won two games, one by a whisker - turn the table other way with Shakib, Mushfiqur playing and a MoHa - Malik drooped, then the game at Mirpur, your lot will receive bigger spanking. On your adopted home ground, you were knocked out of Asia Cup being host to a BD team without Shakib & Tamim, and here you are bringing Australia declining to host BD.... then 1950s of PAK cricket - quite desperate actually.

 

[MMHS]

With out without Shakib or Mushfiq who are not world beaters by any means - Bangla is a minnow.

You are exactly that - minnows, just a shed better than us. Keep things decent in a forum as I said four months back - you have an English tour awaiting.

 

[Pakistanian]

You are exactly that - minnows, just a shed better than us. Keep things decent in a forum as I said four months back - you have an English tour awaiting.

Based off current form maybe but a true minnow nation would have an empty trophy cabinet

 

[MMHS]

No. YOu have to target stumps. By not targeting stumps you are eliminating two major dismissals.

I don’t think our pacers have enough speed to penetrate defence on such wickets for the two major dismissals. I understand where you are coming from, but Gibson is a fantastic bowling coach, he did figure out the line & it worked in first game, where there only two PAK players capable of off-side strokes failed. Both MoHa-Babar are good wrists players - attacking sticks won’t have worked at that pace on this track.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don’t think our pacers have enough speed to penetrate defence on such wickets for the two major dismissals. I understand where you are coming from, but Gibson is a fantastic bowling coach, he did figure out the line & it worked in first game, where there only two PAK players capable of off-side strokes failed. Both MoHa-Babar are good wrists players - attacking sticks won’t have worked at that pace on this track.

They didn't just miss line. they also missed length. IF you bowl wider it allows the batsmen to free their arms.