The Virat Kohli - Ravi Shastri regime is primarily responsible for India's woes

[austerlitz]

Good things out of this series -
3.End of vijay,dhawan.
2.Excellent bowling show.
1.The end of the cheerleader posing as coach and his coaching clique.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think India should accept they aren't good enough as a team - certainly not No.1 yet. They can take it into the 4th day - but not to the 5th.

Blaming coach or captain is just mindless venting.

They have sent better teams with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni, Kumble and lost then as well. Who did you blame then?

Too many weakness strewn across the team. Fix those first, then ask the captain and coach to explain.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I think India should accept they aren't good enough as a team - certainly not No.1 yet. They can take it into the 4th day - but not to the 5th.

Blaming coach or captain is just mindless venting.

They have sent better teams with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni, Kumble and lost then as well. Who did you blame then?

Too many weakness strewn across the team. Fix those first, then ask the captain and coach to explain.

I think the reason the fans are disappointed is because this is India's best ever group of fast bowlers and therefore capable of taking 20 wickets in overseas test matches. That in itself says a lot about the sorry history of Indian fast bowling. I get the impression that their fans are very disappointed to see this series slip away from their grasp due to awful batting, thus they are coping with it by blaming Shastri and Kohli.

 

[kuskash]

Kohli or IPL?

Both.

 

[PakLFC]

Shastri was at best an average Cricketer like he is an average coach.Time for him to return back to the commentary box giving someone else the chance. Why not give Rahul Dravid who lead India to the U-18 WC win recently a chance. A top bloke, great former cricketer, well mannered as well as a humble and intelligent man. India need look no further then "The Wall", he's your man

 

[BaankeJi]

Bring Kumble back. Broker peace between him and Kohli.

 

[JaDed]

I think India should accept they aren't good enough as a team - certainly not No.1 yet. They can take it into the 4th day - but not to the 5th.

Blaming coach or captain is just mindless venting.

They have sent better teams with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni, Kumble and lost then as well. Who did you blame then?

Too many weakness strewn across the team. Fix those first, then ask the captain and coach to explain.

We won the 2007 series in England jus saying, so we did win with the better team.

 

[happydavy]

Haha typical reaction. Blame it on coach or selection policy of Kohli as if those who didn't play would have set the stadium on fire. Shastri is no good is given but what exactly any coach will be able to do in Indian setup when players are so high headed that they don't see anything wrong with their skills.

Give me example of one Indian cricketer in this team who has ever accepted that he disappointed everyone with his performance and would work hard on his game. The typical reaction from them when asked about their performance is - "i don't need to prove anything to anyone". Pujara after averaging 14 in county said "he's very happy with his form and conditions were tough". The players get selected because they are expected to perform in tough conditions, after all any good ranji player will also score big centuries against visiting teams in India. Our standard excuse is that conditions were tough, isnt thar how international cricket is supposed to be 'tough', how can that be an excuse for non performance.

 

[Tusker]

Even though India just fell a little but short in the recently concluded Test match, I can't help but think that the mess India have been finding themselves in overseas Test matches is nothing but self inflicted owing to the culture brought about by the Kohli-Shastri regime wherein NO ONE except Kohli can ever be sure of their places. It just ensures everyone is almost always playing under the pressure of being dropped with no backing whatsoever.

Rahane has been India's best batsman overseas by far? Let's drop him for the first two Tests in SA.

Pujara scores a match winning 50 in the last Test he played in SA? Nah, let's drop him because of his poor county season.

Dhawan scores 0&0 in the same conditions in the Practice match? No Problem, let's have him in. No hypocrisy at all there.

Kuldeep has been the Trump Card for India on this tour thus far? Nah mate, we got Umesh "Short and wide at 150 kmph" to make up for him.

It's embarrassing really. And I suspect it would get even worse until Kohli is removed from captaincy and/or Shastri is removed as coach to bring someone who can actually keep Kohli's stupid selection decisions in check.

Must have been extremely infuriating and agonizing for you to watch Kohli bat in SA AND ENG both Tests and ODIs and score about 1500 runs ! You didn't see that coming ehh? Ouch !.

Perhaps why I see you have completely shut up on that count and why you are seeking other ways to vent your anger?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think the reason the fans are disappointed is because this is India's best ever group of fast bowlers and therefore capable of taking 20 wickets in overseas test matches. That in itself says a lot about the sorry history of Indian fast bowling. I get the impression that their fans are very disappointed to see this series slip away from their grasp due to awful batting, thus they are coping with it by blaming Shastri and Kohli.

Disagree complete ly. Many fans blamed Waqar and the management for performances of the Pakistan team in ODIs and the captaincy of Azhar as well and rightly so. Kohli and Shastri have backed underperforming players and have their likes and dislikes which have hurt the team.

 

[austerlitz]

I think India should accept they aren't good enough as a team - certainly not No.1 yet. They can take it into the 4th day - but not to the 5th.

Blaming coach or captain is just mindless venting.

They have sent better teams with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Ganguly, Dhoni, Kumble and lost then as well. Who did you blame then?

Too many weakness strewn across the team. Fix those first, then ask the captain and coach to explain.

That generation won a series in england and drew another in 2002 and 2007.They drew a series in australia in 2003 and almost drew another in 2008 if not for sydney.If they had this bowling attack to serve them,we would have been a major threat to aussies.That is why this is so disappointing,to have such a good attack but to fail miserably in the traditional strong area of our game.

 

[RamLakhan]

Shastri was at best an average Cricketer like he is an average coach.Time for him to return back to the commentary box giving someone else the chance. Why not give Rahul Dravid who lead India to the U-18 WC win recently a chance. A top bloke, great former cricketer, well mannered as well as a humble and intelligent man. India need look no further then "The Wall", he's your man

He needs to get into late 50s in age to earn respect from these senior & complete players like Kohli! Otherwise it will be same Kumble story with clashes of ego! That's why he stuck to under 19s because they will look at him for support & guidance! Dravid will prepare the players, it is up to the next coach to jell them together in the team!

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I think the reason the fans are disappointed is because this is India's best ever group of fast bowlers and therefore capable of taking 20 wickets in overseas test matches. That in itself says a lot about the sorry history of Indian fast bowling. I get the impression that their fans are very disappointed to see this series slip away from their grasp due to awful batting, thus they are coping with it by blaming Shastri and Kohli.

Thank you. Yes batting failure was unexpected and hence the strong reaction. But really, was better talent available back home? Or this talent was undermined by management with chopping and changing?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Disagree complete ly. Many fans blamed Waqar and the management for performances of the Pakistan team in ODIs and the captaincy of Azhar as well and rightly so. Kohli and Shastri have backed underperforming players and have their likes and dislikes which have hurt the team.

All am I saying is that the criticism has been more vociferous because of the quality of the bowling attack. The batting should really have been strong enough to chase down 190 and 240 at Edgbaston and Southampton. I am not saying it's unjustified either.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Don't know what the fuss is about the bowling attack.

Yes better than Indian teams of the past - but that's not saying a lot.

Repeatedly failed to clean up the tail. Also think English top order was totally inept - and made them look much better than they are.

Spinners - who win games in England - were almost non-existent bar one game.

 

[waleed88]

Even though India just fell a little but short in the recently concluded Test match, I can't help but think that the mess India have been finding themselves in overseas Test matches is nothing but self inflicted owing to the culture brought about by the Kohli-Shastri regime wherein NO ONE except Kohli can ever be sure of their places. It just ensures everyone is almost always playing under the pressure of being dropped with no backing whatsoever.

Rahane has been India's best batsman overseas by far? Let's drop him for the first two Tests in SA.

Pujara scores a match winning 50 in the last Test he played in SA? Nah, let's drop him because of his poor county season.

Dhawan scores 0&0 in the same conditions in the Practice match? No Problem, let's have him in. No hypocrisy at all there.

Kuldeep has been the Trump Card for India on this tour thus far? Nah mate, we got Umesh "Short and wide at 150 kmph" to make up for him.

It's embarrassing really. And I suspect it would get even worse until Kohli is removed from captaincy and/or Shastri is removed as coach to bring someone who can actually keep Kohli's stupid selection decisions in check.

A more professional coach would've seen the Indian team win atleast one more test.

 

[Hitman]

Both should be sacked when India's defeat at the hands of Australia is confirmed. Maybe taking the captaincy off Kohli will motivate him to start winning more games for his team.

Cough, cough ..... are you still around? I bookmarked this thread immediately back then

 

[Hasan123]

Let me guess OP, the wins had nothing to do with Kohli and Shastri.

 

[Hasan123]

Cough, cough ..... are you still around? I bookmarked this thread immediately back then

His excuse will be that the Australian team was weak ,flat pitches,etc.

 

[Buffet]

Kohli captaincy was pretty good in this Aus tour. I didn't expect much from him as a tactician, but he was very good in that. 2nd test without spinner was a poor call though.

 

[fitCricFan]

The way Shastri replaced Kumble was utterly disgraceful. However VK & Shastri, the coach have been vindicated by the performance of the team. They planned and executed it well.

Shastri doesn't have many fans. One slip and the daggers will be out. Until then its all good

 

[latecut]

It is very easy to be an armchair tactician from the anonymity of internet. Going out in the field and getting things done are far more difficult. Kohli and Shashtri- for all their "faults"- have achieved what none of their predecessors achieved in the past.

And now, please stop giving reason like this Australian side being very weak because of the absence of two of their leading batsmen. Even India was without their first choice opener (injured), first choice wicket keeper(injured) and first choice spinner (injured).

 

[Abdullah719]

Virat Kohli wants Ravi Shastri to continue as coach

MUMBAI: Captain Virat Kohli and coach Ravi Shastri have always struck an excellent partnership ever since 2015 when Shastri was the Team director and Kohli first took over Indian cricket's reins in Test cricket Down Under.

In 2017, when Anil Kumble resigned as coach in acrimonious circumstances after the Champions Trophy, Kohli was delighted to have Shastri back. On Monday, as the team prepared to leave for West Indies, Kohli said he is in favour of Shastri continuing as the head coach despite the criticism he has faced following the semi-final ouster from the World Cup.

"Well, the CAC (Cricket Advisory Committee headed by Kapil Dev) has not contacted me on this. But all of us share a great camaraderie with Ravi bhai and would be very happy to have him around," Kohli told reporters. "But as I had said, it's up to the CAC to decide (how to go about it)."

With two World T20 tournaments scheduled in 2020 (World T20) and 2021 (T20 World Cup), the shortest format of the game will be in focus. "After the highs of a tournament like the World Cup, it is logical the focus will shift to a T20 World Cup but the Test Championship will keep the interest going in Test cricket as well. I am particularly excited about the first three T20s because, as I said, a new lot of players are coming in," he added.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...to-continue-as-coach/articleshow/70443530.cms

 

[Hasan123]

Virat Kohli is a major reason why India are the dominant force in tests at the moment.

 

[sweep_shot]

I do not personally like Kohli due to his bad behavior. I would love to see India get rid of him as captain. Rohit seems like a great captain and also a classy guy.

 

[Dingolfy]

Virat Kohli is a major reason why India are the dominant force in tests at the moment.

In one-days too. He was the one behind getting Kul-Cha in and I dont think any of our previous teams have won ODI series in SA, Australia and Newzeland in the same damn season with such authority. His only problem is he is a mental midget when it comes to knock-out tournaments and he might have to consult a sports psychologist for that.

 

[Abdullah719]

‘Not a guy to mess around’: Ravi Shastri names the ‘boss’ of Indian cricket

There is often a debate on who runs the show when two high-profile persons take the captain and coach’s position in a cricket team. And when that cricket team is India and the captain and coaches are Virat Kohli and Ravi Shastri, there is bound to be that extra bit of spice to that question. But in reality, there is no doubt over who calls the shots in the Indian cricket team, according to head coach Ravi Shastri.

Terming Indian skipper Virat Kohli the ‘boss’, head coach Shastri said he leads from the front in each and every aspect of the game, which sets the tone for the rest of the players in the team.

“The captain is the boss, I always believe that,” Shastri said on the Sky Sports Podcast, responding to a question from Nasser Hussain. “The job of the coaching staff is to prepare the guys in the best possible way to get out there and play positive, brave, fearless cricket.

Throwing light on his job, Shastri said he works more like a man-manager, who is there to take the burden off the captain’s shoulders.

“The captain leads from the front. Yes, we are there to take off the burden -- he’s not going to each player and talking to them, that’s my job; if you’ve got to pull someone up -- but you leave him to do his job in the middle.

“The captain sets the tone and is encouraged to set the tone. In the middle, he controls the show. No coach in the world can do that,” he added.

Shastri also credited Kohli for the improvement which the team has made in fielding and fitness.

“When you talk about fitness, the leadership comes from the top and it came from Virat,” he said. “He is not a guy to mess around. He woke up one morning and said ‘if I want to play this game, I want to be the fittest player in the world and compete against the best in all conditions’ and he let his body go through one hell of a lot.”

According to the head coach, when a player like Kohli sets such high standards, it rubs off on others.

“It was not just the training but the sacrifices he made with his diet, the way he looked at life. I could see that change happening all the time ... When he sets those standards, it rubs off on others,” he added.

Currently, the Indian team is on a forced break due to the lockdown imposed in the country amid the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ian-cricket/story-Q7ScZZsIWPh8SDoRouv9sM.html

 

[MenInG]

Former New Zealand coach Mike Hesson feels that India were probably the best equipped team to have played a Test series in New Zealand in recent years even though they ended up losing 2-0. India were completely outplayed by the Kiwis, losing the first Test by 10 wickets and the second by seven. But the former Kiwi coach begs to differ and feels that the conditions were tough.

“I thought India are probably be the best equipped to have travelled to New Zealand, but the conditions were challenging,” Hesson told the Mumbai Mirror. “They weren’t ridiculous in any means, and they were challenging in both games (in the two Tests which India lost).”

India had batted first in both Tests and Hesson said that was an important factor as conditions got better as the matches wore on.

“The New Zealand conditions were challenging for everybody, especially in the first innings. Things certainly got easy later on. The first innings was challenging for anyone coming from overseas,” he said.

Hardly any Indian batsman made a mark in the series, including captain and second ranked Test batsman in the world Virat Kohli. Hesson feels that Kohli and the others simply didn’t get any time to adjust to the conditions.

“When the ball seams, there is very little time to adjust. You need time to adjust your technique. He certainly was not the only one (to have struggled). Also, New Zealand’s plans for Virat were exceptional. New Zealand have had the best of attacks for a long time and they challenged the Indians,” he said.

Hesson is currently holed up in an apartment in Bengaluru. He was set to coach Royal Challengers Bangalore in the 2020 season of the Indian Premier League but the season is under a cloud of uncertainty due to its postponement to April 15 and the subsequent three-week lockdown imposed by the Indian government.

The whole cricket calendar has grinded to a halt as well and Hesson feels that this will affect the game financially. “No business model of a sport can survive without income coming in. It will be a huge challenge to every nation around the world on how they are going to deal with this period of uncertainty. The world is dealing with things far more important than sports at the moment. But once we get to the other side, it will be a challenge,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...he-only-one-to-struggle-in-new-zealand-923161

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Former New Zealand coach Mike Hesson feels that India were probably the best equipped team to have played a Test series in New Zealand in recent years even though they ended up losing 2-0. India were completely outplayed by the Kiwis, losing the first Test by 10 wickets and the second by seven. But the former Kiwi coach begs to differ and feels that the conditions were tough.

“I thought India are probably be the best equipped to have travelled to New Zealand, but the conditions were challenging,” Hesson told the Mumbai Mirror. “They weren’t ridiculous in any means, and they were challenging in both games (in the two Tests which India lost).”

India had batted first in both Tests and Hesson said that was an important factor as conditions got better as the matches wore on.

“The New Zealand conditions were challenging for everybody, especially in the first innings. Things certainly got easy later on. The first innings was challenging for anyone coming from overseas,” he said.

Hardly any Indian batsman made a mark in the series, including captain and second ranked Test batsman in the world Virat Kohli. Hesson feels that Kohli and the others simply didn’t get any time to adjust to the conditions.

“When the ball seams, there is very little time to adjust. You need time to adjust your technique. He certainly was not the only one (to have struggled). Also, New Zealand’s plans for Virat were exceptional. New Zealand have had the best of attacks for a long time and they challenged the Indians,” he said.

Hesson is currently holed up in an apartment in Bengaluru. He was set to coach Royal Challengers Bangalore in the 2020 season of the Indian Premier League but the season is under a cloud of uncertainty due to its postponement to April 15 and the subsequent three-week lockdown imposed by the Indian government.

The whole cricket calendar has grinded to a halt as well and Hesson feels that this will affect the game financially. “No business model of a sport can survive without income coming in. It will be a huge challenge to every nation around the world on how they are going to deal with this period of uncertainty. The world is dealing with things far more important than sports at the moment. But once we get to the other side, it will be a challenge,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...he-only-one-to-struggle-in-new-zealand-923161

Very charitable Hesson. I am sure IPL has nothing to do with it.

 

[MP2011]

Former New Zealand coach Mike Hesson feels that India were probably the best equipped team to have played a Test series in New Zealand in recent years even though they ended up losing 2-0. India were completely outplayed by the Kiwis, losing the first Test by 10 wickets and the second by seven. But the former Kiwi coach begs to differ and feels that the conditions were tough.

“I thought India are probably be the best equipped to have travelled to New Zealand, but the conditions were challenging,” Hesson told the Mumbai Mirror. “They weren’t ridiculous in any means, and they were challenging in both games (in the two Tests which India lost).”

India had batted first in both Tests and Hesson said that was an important factor as conditions got better as the matches wore on.

“The New Zealand conditions were challenging for everybody, especially in the first innings. Things certainly got easy later on. The first innings was challenging for anyone coming from overseas,” he said.

Hardly any Indian batsman made a mark in the series, including captain and second ranked Test batsman in the world Virat Kohli. Hesson feels that Kohli and the others simply didn’t get any time to adjust to the conditions.

“When the ball seams, there is very little time to adjust. You need time to adjust your technique. He certainly was not the only one (to have struggled). Also, New Zealand’s plans for Virat were exceptional. New Zealand have had the best of attacks for a long time and they challenged the Indians,” he said.

Hesson is currently holed up in an apartment in Bengaluru. He was set to coach Royal Challengers Bangalore in the 2020 season of the Indian Premier League but the season is under a cloud of uncertainty due to its postponement to April 15 and the subsequent three-week lockdown imposed by the Indian government.

The whole cricket calendar has grinded to a halt as well and Hesson feels that this will affect the game financially. “No business model of a sport can survive without income coming in. It will be a huge challenge to every nation around the world on how they are going to deal with this period of uncertainty. The world is dealing with things far more important than sports at the moment. But once we get to the other side, it will be a challenge,” he said.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...he-only-one-to-struggle-in-new-zealand-923161

Poor from Shastri. However nothing new.....

 

[tyron_woodley]

In one-days too. He was the one behind getting Kul-Cha in and I dont think any of our previous teams have won ODI series in SA, Australia and Newzeland in the same damn season with such authority. His only problem is he is a mental midget when it comes to knock-out tournaments and he might have to consult a sports psychologist for that.

No india just need dravid as coach.