"There is no doubt India deliberately lost to England in the 2019 World Cup" : Abdul Razzaq

[Rana]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ustralia-vs-india-final-icc-world-cup-2002-03


https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017


This is how you lose a match that you genuinely try to win.

 

[Geil]

He does though, he very clearly talks about Dhoni’s lack of intent. Obviously he can’t say it explicitly that “Dhoni does not have integrity” because Stokes would be crucified for saying it by Indian fans.

But when he talks about a lack of intent, he is very explicitly saying that the other team could have tried harder but they didn’t

that"s your view, but do u agree with Razzaq when he is saying things like "there should be a fine and penalty" for it.

if we start looking matches with that view then we will find cluster of matches which looks like have been lost deliberately, I think we should just move on as I think Pak didnt deserve to be in SF in WC 2019

 

[Thunderbolt14]

that"s your view, but do u agree with Razzaq when he is saying things like "there should be a fine and penalty" for it.

if we start looking matches with that view then we will find cluster of matches which looks like have been lost deliberately, I think we should just move on as I think Pak didnt deserve to be in SF in WC 2019

Well I wasn’t stating my view, personally I’m unsure. Was just clarifying Stokes’s view.

Regarding Razzaq, there’s no out and out proof. So you can’t penalize it. But let’s say somehow there is a leaked recording which captures the entire conversation and intent (hypothetically speaking) — then yes I think it should be penalized.

However that will never happen so there’s no point to this discussion. Pakistan fans need to move on, while Indian fans need to accept it’s mildly possible.

 

[Titan24]

if we start looking matches with that view then we will find cluster of matches which looks like have been lost deliberately

How many matches in which commentators even the Indian ones were saying I dont know how to explain this and questioning the approach repeatedly, opposing team players were as surprised as mentioned by Stokes in his book, teams which were not playing in the match questioning the approach and crowds booing because of what was going on in the middle what was not going on in the middle considering the situation?

I don’t remember many such matches fulfilling the above criteria, if you have any in mind kindly share.

 

[ManFan]

Best in the world does not mean that you are invincible. They way England have played in the last 4 years, their ranking and the series wins against all the top sides in the world is testament to the fact that they are the best ODI side currently.

Furthermore, they way they clawed back in the World Cup and produced top class performances against India, New Zealand and Australia (SF) under extreme pressure and all the nonsense calls of them being chokers was proof of their skill and mentality.

Having a mini stutter in the World Cup does not take away anything from them. They had a very bad collective game against Pakistan, struggled without Roy later on and the pitch for the Sri Lankan match was a disgrace.

But they proved their quality and why they are number 1 with the performances they put in at the back end of the World Cup.

People talk about Dhoni trying to help them win, but that doesn’t change the fact that England completely destroyed a bowling attack that were largely untouchable in the World Cup and only conceded 300+ once. England broke the aura of India’s attack.

England got lucky in the final but every side needs some luck to win a tournament. It is important to differentiate between luck and fluke.

England would have won the 2019 World Cup and beat New Zealand in the final more often than not, but Pakistan winning the 2017 Champions Trophy as the 8th ranked team was a miracle that they would not be able to repeat 99/100 times.

Beating India in the final was certainly a fluke because the same Pakistani players have been battered by India in 4 out of 5 matches that they have played.

As far as the Sri Lanka match is concerned, it didn’t add to our woes at all. There is no guarantee that we would have beaten Sri Lanka.

The same fans who talk about Pakistan’s unpredictability also want to convince you that they were guaranteed to beat Sri Lanka.

If Pakistan and Sri Lanka beat England and Afghanistan took Pakistan and India to the last over, there is a good chance that Sri Lanka could have beaten Pakistan.

Besides, we can only with the games that actually happened. Let’s not forget that India vs New Zealand was also washed out, and the result of that match could have impacted the qualifications as well.

Your point about the incomplete INDIA vs NZ match is true to a certain extent. If it was a group match, IND would most likely have won but in the only match they played, they got whooped. And it’s part of an overall pattern for IND to be weak in KO’s while chasing in an ICC tournament, in recent years.

ENG did not have a bad game, at all against PAK. They were just 14 runs away from a victory and against SL, 20 runs. They can cry all they want about the “unfairness” of the pitch but what matters is that time and time again, their batsmen have struggled on an either slow or swinging wicket.

They swung back in the SF incredibly but once they got another sluggish pitch in the Final, their batsmen struggled once again with it to chase a meager 242.

And I’m sorry but if you want to be consistent on the whole “fluke meter” concept, then you have to accept the “bat of God” as the ultimate incident. It cannot be repeated and was not foreseen in any way.

 

[Geil]

How many matches in which commentators even the Indian ones were saying I dont know how to explain this and questioning the approach repeatedly, opposing team players were as surprised as mentioned by Stokes in his book, teams which were not playing in the match questioning the approach and crowds booing because of what was going on in the middle what was not going on in the middle considering the situation?

I don’t remember many such matches fulfilling the above criteria, if you have any in mind kindly share.

I don't look at matches with that sort of view in mind so if there are any I wouldn't be able to share it(kindly) with you , but blaming India for WC exit and accusing Indian player integrity is not right.

Yes express your views if u think they lost it intentionally but don't accuse their cricketing career and legacy and blame them for exit as if u have been deserving team then u wouldn't need anybodies help to reach SF

 

[sweep_shot]

I personally don't think India deliberately lost. England was in beast mode and they took advantage of the short boundary.

 

[Swashbuckler]

How many matches in which commentators even the Indian ones were saying I dont know how to explain this and questioning the approach repeatedly, opposing team players were as surprised as mentioned by Stokes in his book, teams which were not playing in the match questioning the approach and crowds booing because of what was going on in the middle what was not going on in the middle considering the situation?

I don’t remember many such matches fulfilling the above criteria, if you have any in mind kindly share.

I have commented enough on this topic but since you are a fair, sensible poster I will respond and cite the second ODI of India-Eng series in 2018. Almost all these things happened in that match and the central figure was once again Dhoni. That was a farcical end, if you followed that match live nothing about the WC match between the same two sides will surprise you.

This is the match thread, http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2nd-ODI-to-level-the-3-match-series-1-1/page6

 

[Mamoon]

How is getting 186 all out in pursuit of 306 comparable to losing by 31 runs and still having 5 wickets in hand?

I find it hypocritical that you out of all people demand logic and sense, whereas in the past 5 years I have just seen you demonstrate zero when it comes to fairness in relation to Pakistani cricket or Pakistan itself. Let’s stay on cricket though

Tell me, how is it acceptable to lose by 31 runs with 5 wickets in hand and two batsmen not out? India had a chance to chance this score down even if Shami, Bumrah and Chahal has a go late down the order with some adventurous batting and a cameo being pulled off. Look at how they were all out in the Semi final against New Zealand in pursuit of chasing a much lesser total, if this is how Dhoni bats, do you see him remain not out with another batsmen and still 20 odd runs left on the board?

New Zealand were 186 all out in 45 overs. There was absolutely no intent of chasing the total. It was by far the most negative and cowardly batting display of the World Cup. So why are our fans and ex-players not crying about New Zealand’s lack of sportsmanship and how they made no effort to win the game and forced Pakistan to exit the World Cup?

Is it because all is fair for New Zealand because of their ‘good guys’ image while Team India are the antagonists?

Take a look at the breakdown of New Zealand’s innings in pursuit of 306:

Overs 1-10:

37/2

Overs 10-20:

50/2

Overs 20-30:

45/2

Overs 30-40

39/2

At what point do you see even a shred of intent to chase down 306?

New Zealand required a run rate of 6, but they did not even touch a run rate of 5 at any point of the innings.

Tell me honestly - do you really think New Zealand gave their 100% to win the match? If it was the other way around and New Zealand would have lost by 31 runs with 5 wickets in hand while India would have scored 186 in 45 overs in pursuit of 306, would our fans and ex-players blame New Zealand for lack of sportsmanship and would they have defended India? Absolutely not.

At least India scored 300+ and their two best batsmen scored at strike rates of 87 and 93. India scored 151 between the 20th and 40th over and were ahead of England at one point.

New Zealand’s two best batsmen (Williamson and Taylor) scored at strike rates of 67 and 66. Again - what would have been the reaction of our fans and ex-players if Kohli and Rohit would have finished their innings at strike rates of 67 and 66?

As I said, our ex-players are bitter because these underachieving losers got humiliated by India time and time again in World cups and cannot digest the fact that Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust. This obsession with India is an outcome of jealousy and unfortunately, it has filtered down to our fans as well.

As far as losing by 31 runs with 5 wickets in hand are concerned, I am sure you have watched enough cricket over the years to realize that these things happen quite often. It is not uncommon for a team to not get close to the opposition total in spite of having wickets in hand.

It is called good death bowling and good captaincy, and just because wickets did not fall in a heap doesn’t mean that the bowlers made it easy for the batsmen to score runs. Defensive bowling doesn’t always result in wickets.

In fact, I hope you remember the 2009 WT20 match between India and England. England set a target of 154 and India finished on 150/5.

Dhoni was at the crease in the last 8 overs and he barely managed to hit two boundaries and India lost in spite of having 5 wickets in hand. This was Dhoni at the peak of his powers and it was a must-win match for India to stay in the tournament. So why did they “not show intent” and why did the evil guy Dhoni deliberately lose the match? If that match would have forced Pakistan out of the tournament, what would be the reaction of our ex-players and fans?

This is cricket. These things happen in Limited Overs cricket. In the same tournament in the semifinal, Pakistan defended 149 by restricting South Africa to 142/5. How often would a team fail to chase 150 in T20 cricket after losing only 5 wickets?

 

[Mamoon]

Your point about the incomplete INDIA vs NZ match is true to a certain extent. If it was a group match, IND would most likely have won but in the only match they played, they got whooped. And it’s part of an overall pattern for IND to be weak in KO’s while chasing in an ICC tournament, in recent years.

ENG did not have a bad game, at all against PAK. They were just 14 runs away from a victory and against SL, 20 runs. They can cry all they want about the “unfairness” of the pitch but what matters is that time and time again, their batsmen have struggled on an either slow or swinging wicket.

They swung back in the SF incredibly but once they got another sluggish pitch in the Final, their batsmen struggled once again with it to chase a meager 242.

And I’m sorry but if you want to be consistent on the whole “fluke meter” concept, then you have to accept the “bat of God” as the ultimate incident. It cannot be repeated and was not foreseen in any way.

England did have a bad game against Pakistan. Roy dropped a sitter of Hafeez early in his innings who ended up scoring 84, and Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Morgan and Archer all collectively failed which is not usual.

England is a vastly superior team to Pakistan and our 6th ranked losers do not have the skill or the talent to beat England if the latter brings their A game, and that is why we won that match because England did have a bad game.

England’s struggles on slowish wickets are a little overblown. They beat Pakistan 4-1 in the UAE in 2015 and won 3-1 in Sri Lanka in 2018. Sure they are not at their devastating best when the pitch is slow but they don’t struggle more than most other sides.

242 on a slowish wicket under the pressure of a World Cup is not a walk in the park. It is the equivalent of chasing 270-280 on a flat pitch in a World Cup final. You can call England’s final win a fluke especially the overthrow boundary, but my point is that 9/10 times, the current England would beat New Zealand in a World Cup final at home.

It is funny how the same people who called New Zealand ‘lucky’ for qualifying for the semifinals ahead of Pakistan started to lament their luck when they got a rough deal against England in the final.

 

[Titan24]

I don't look at matches with that sort of view in mind so if there are any I wouldn't be able to share it(kindly) with you , but blaming India for WC exit and accusing Indian player integrity is not right.

Yes express your views if u think they lost it intentionally but don't accuse their cricketing career and legacy and blame them for exit as if u have been deserving team then u wouldn't need anybodies help to reach SF

When did I accuse India of Pak exit? I havent once said India did something against Pak team. Kindly quote me if there is any such thing.

My views are completely related to the match we witnessed and not at all related to Pakistan’s position in the table as Pak’s position was due to whatever cricket they played.

 

[Geil]

When did I accuse India of Pak exit? I havent once said India did something against Pak team. Kindly quote me if there is any such thing.

My views are completely related to the match we witnessed and not at all related to Pakistan’s position in the table as Pak’s position was due to whatever cricket they played.

no bro I am not blaming you for any of that u misunderstood, I am just saying if anyone says that then its wrong thats all

 

[Titan24]

I have commented enough on this topic but since you are a fair, sensible poster I will respond and cite the second ODI of India-Eng series in 2018. Almost all these things happened in that match and the central figure was once again Dhoni. That was a farcical end, if you followed that match live nothing about the WC match between the same two sides will surprise you.

This is the match thread, http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...2nd-ODI-to-level-the-3-match-series-1-1/page6

Thanks for sharing, yes I looked at the scorecard when you shared before as well and there are a lot of similarities definitely. However, I think we can say 2nd ODI was probably more to do with wickets falling at the other end and Dhoni’s struggle to think of a win from there or maybe he was just struggling. While in the WC match, not only Dhoni but Jhadav also didnt try to do much and they were only 5 down with RR very much achievable. Jhadav’s 13 ball 12 was pretty poor by any standard in last 5 overs let alone when your team needs 14 RPO.

I didnt say much even during the WC and even now I am just saying that if some cricketers are raising questions its not completely without anything as being a completely neutral viewer of the match I also felt bit odd regarding what was happening but at the same time their questions doesnt mean Indian players or team is guilty of something. Though performance raised questions on number of levels as it was the stage of WC and whole cricket world was watching.

As said earlier in the thread Pakistan cricket team ending the table at 5th was completely its own fault and shouldnt have been dependent upon how any other team plays its match.

 

[ManFan]

England did have a bad game against Pakistan. Roy dropped a sitter of Hafeez early in his innings who ended up scoring 84, and Roy, Bairstow, Stokes, Morgan and Archer all collectively failed which is not usual.

England is a vastly superior team to Pakistan and our 6th ranked losers do not have the skill or the talent to beat England if the latter brings their A game, and that is why we won that match because England did have a bad game.

England’s struggles on slowish wickets are a little overblown. They beat Pakistan 4-1 in the UAE in 2015 and won 3-1 in Sri Lanka in 2018. Sure they are not at their devastating best when the pitch is slow but they don’t struggle more than most other sides.

242 on a slowish wicket under the pressure of a World Cup is not a walk in the park. It is the equivalent of chasing 270-280 on a flat pitch in a World Cup final. You can call England’s final win a fluke especially the overthrow boundary, but my point is that 9/10 times, the current England would beat New Zealand in a World Cup final at home.

It is funny how the same people who called New Zealand ‘lucky’ for qualifying for the semifinals ahead of Pakistan started to lament their luck when they got a rough deal against England in the final.

I see your point.

 

[Rana]

New Zealand were 186 all out in 45 overs. There was absolutely no intent of chasing the total. It was by far the most negative and cowardly batting display of the World Cup. So why are our fans and ex-players not crying about New Zealand’s lack of sportsmanship and how they made no effort to win the game and forced Pakistan to exit the World Cup?

Is it because all is fair for New Zealand because of their ‘good guys’ image while Team India are the antagonists?

Take a look at the breakdown of New Zealand’s innings in pursuit of 306:

Overs 1-10:

37/2

Overs 10-20:

50/2

Overs 20-30:

45/2

Overs 30-40

39/2

At what point do you see even a shred of intent to chase down 306?

New Zealand required a run rate of 6, but they did not even touch a run rate of 5 at any point of the innings.

Tell me honestly - do you really think New Zealand gave their 100% to win the match? If it was the other way around and New Zealand would have lost by 31 runs with 5 wickets in hand while India would have scored 186 in 45 overs in pursuit of 306, would our fans and ex-players blame New Zealand for lack of sportsmanship and would they have defended India? Absolutely not.

At least India scored 300+ and their two best batsmen scored at strike rates of 87 and 93. India scored 151 between the 20th and 40th over and were ahead of England at one point.

New Zealand’s two best batsmen (Williamson and Taylor) scored at strike rates of 67 and 66. Again - what would have been the reaction of our fans and ex-players if Kohli and Rohit would have finished their innings at strike rates of 67 and 66?

As I said, our ex-players are bitter because these underachieving losers got humiliated by India time and time again in World cups and cannot digest the fact that Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust. This obsession with India is an outcome of jealousy and unfortunately, it has filtered down to our fans as well.

As far as losing by 31 runs with 5 wickets in hand are concerned, I am sure you have watched enough cricket over the years to realize that these things happen quite often. It is not uncommon for a team to not get close to the opposition total in spite of having wickets in hand.

It is called good death bowling and good captaincy, and just because wickets did not fall in a heap doesn’t mean that the bowlers made it easy for the batsmen to score runs. Defensive bowling doesn’t always result in wickets.

In fact, I hope you remember the 2009 WT20 match between India and England. England set a target of 154 and India finished on 150/5.

Dhoni was at the crease in the last 8 overs and he barely managed to hit two boundaries and India lost in spite of having 5 wickets in hand. This was Dhoni at the peak of his powers and it was a must-win match for India to stay in the tournament. So why did they “not show intent” and why did the evil guy Dhoni deliberately lose the match? If that match would have forced Pakistan out of the tournament, what would be the reaction of our ex-players and fans?

This is cricket. These things happen in Limited Overs cricket. In the same tournament in the semifinal, Pakistan defended 149 by restricting South Africa to 142/5. How often would a team fail to chase 150 in T20 cricket after losing only 5 wickets?

As far as the New Zealand game is concerned, I don’t think any cricketer has criticised their intent and the fact that they had mentally lost the game right at the Toss. India’s match right now in under scrutiny because a world champion, world class player has cited a lack of intent by Dhoni in trying to chase the score down.

All the matches that you mentioned in which there were wickets in hand but the team failed to chase the score down, the one I can vividly remember is the South Africa v Pakistan semi finals. South Africa were in the game until the last over, they were pushing all the way, and Pakistan just held there nerve in the latter stages. This is very similar and to the way India were in the game right until the penultimate over against NZ. I was convinced MSD was going to take them home after that six he hit just before getting run out. As for the failure of chasing 154 with 5 wickets in hand, it is blatantly clear that they were pushing til the last over/ penultimate over only to miss their chance to win the game. Once again, no international superstar playing that match didn’t come out and question the intent of individuals trying to chase the score down.

With that being said, let’s now turn to the current match in hand. If India were playing to stay in the World Cup, you would see them either folding like they did against Pakistan or they would be in a position where they are losing wickets due to mounting pressure, but they would be right in the game looking for the win. This is what made Ben Stokes wonder as to why they are just not going for it. Pakistanis can cry and argue all they like, they will be ignored by Indian fans, but Ben Stokes is the World Cup winner who played this match. He doesn’t have anything to gain by supporting Pakistani conspiracy theorists. He doesn’t even have any plans to play PSL and throw away his lucrative IPL deal. He probably has 10 times more Indian friends in cricket as compared to Pakistanis.

 

[big_gamer007]

The truth is really harsh, for India Pakistan team were pushovers and definition of mediocrity, given a chance Indian team will gladly play Pakistan over England..

If it was the other way around where Indian team wanted to keep out England then once could have seen some merit in the argument. However, considering how Indian team beat Pakistani team to a pulp in groups and their record in World cups and the overall gigantic gulf in abilities of both team, no way they would even think about Pakistan being in or out of tournament.

I can understand why some PPers here believe this to be the case, it makes them heal their bruised ego that "Indians are better than Pakistanis". It's notmal human psyche why some PPers believe in this.

The truth was simple, which many of us Indian PPers were saying for 2 years before the world cup, Dhoni needs to retire he will cost us the world cup. I think there is a thread about it on PP as well with 10 pages of replies.

Pakistani ex players also is understandable why they think this way, they were involved in fixing in their career so they think everyone is "bikau". But they forgot times have changed now.

 

[Mamoon]

As far as the New Zealand game is concerned, I don’t think any cricketer has criticised their intent and the fact that they had mentally lost the game right at the Toss. India’s match right now in under scrutiny because a world champion, world class player has cited a lack of intent by Dhoni in trying to chase the score down.

All the matches that you mentioned in which there were wickets in hand but the team failed to chase the score down, the one I can vividly remember is the South Africa v Pakistan semi finals. South Africa were in the game until the last over, they were pushing all the way, and Pakistan just held there nerve in the latter stages. This is very similar and to the way India were in the game right until the penultimate over against NZ. I was convinced MSD was going to take them home after that six he hit just before getting run out. As for the failure of chasing 154 with 5 wickets in hand, it is blatantly clear that they were pushing til the last over/ penultimate over only to miss their chance to win the game. Once again, no international superstar playing that match didn’t come out and question the intent of individuals trying to chase the score down.

With that being said, let’s now turn to the current match in hand. If India were playing to stay in the World Cup, you would see them either folding like they did against Pakistan or they would be in a position where they are losing wickets due to mounting pressure, but they would be right in the game looking for the win. This is what made Ben Stokes wonder as to why they are just not going for it. Pakistanis can cry and argue all they like, they will be ignored by Indian fans, but Ben Stokes is the World Cup winner who played this match. He doesn’t have anything to gain by supporting Pakistani conspiracy theorists. He doesn’t even have any plans to play PSL and throw away his lucrative IPL deal. He probably has 10 times more Indian friends in cricket as compared to Pakistanis.

Are Pakistani fans and players questioning Dhoni’s intent because Stokes said so or did they cry about it at the time of the match?

Stokes has only reignited the debate. He did not put this idea into their heads. People are now using Stokes to solidify their baseless and pathetic argument that would have only made sense if Pakistan were not a joke side.

So the question remains - why didn’t Pakistani fans and ex-players criticize New Zealand for showing lack of spirit?

If India scored 186 in 45 overs while chasing 306 with their two best batsmen batting at a SR of 65, what would have our fans and ex-players said?

This whole arguments belongs in the garbage because of two facts:

(1) England is a vastly superior side than Pakistan and eliminating them would have increased India’s chances of winning the World Cup drastically.

(2) For argument’s sake, if India put in 50% effort to chase down England’s total, New Zealand put in 0% effort.

If Pakistani fans and ex-players weren’t blithering hypocrites, they would have not only criticized India and Dhoni but also New Zealand and Williamson/Guptill who were far worse in terms of trying to win the match.

 

[Savak]

Are Pakistani fans and players questioning Dhoni’s intent because Stokes said so or did they cry about it at the time of the match?

Stokes has only reignited the debate. He did not put this idea into their heads. People are now using Stokes to solidify their baseless and pathetic argument that would have only made sense if Pakistan were not a joke side.

So the question remains - why didn’t Pakistani fans and ex-players criticize New Zealand for showing lack of spirit?

If India scored 186 in 45 overs while chasing 306 with their two best batsmen batting at a SR of 65, what would have our fans and ex-players said?

This whole arguments belongs in the garbage because of two facts:

(1) England is a vastly superior side than Pakistan and eliminating them would have increased India’s chances of winning the World Cup drastically.

(2) For argument’s sake, if India put in 50% effort to chase down England’s total, New Zealand put in 0% effort.

If Pakistani fans and ex-players weren’t blithering hypocrites, they would have not only criticized India and Dhoni but also New Zealand and Williamson/Guptill who were far worse in terms of trying to win the match.

NZ lost all their last couple of games going into the final England match and eventually to qualify they had to ensure that their net run rate was ahead of Pakistan in their final game. Any side in their situation would have done the same.

However India did not risk being eliminated in the tournament at any stage and could have afforded to go for broke against England but they didn't and they suspiciously took their foot of the peddle in the final 10-15 overs in the England match. The suspicion and feeling that India deliberately lost with the satisfaction of ensuring that Pakistan got kicked is perfectly justified.

Now I await your response that India has the right to do as it deems fit and it doesn't owe Pakistan anything except its worst behaviour and conduct

 

[Mamoon]

NZ lost all their last couple of games going into the final England match and eventually to qualify they had to ensure that their net run rate was ahead of Pakistan in their final game. Any side in their situation would have done the same.

However India did not risk being eliminated in the tournament at any stage and could have afforded to go for broke against England but they didn't and they suspiciously took their foot of the peddle in the final 10-15 overs in the England match. The suspicion and feeling that India deliberately lost with the satisfaction of ensuring that Pakistan got kicked is perfectly justified.

Now I await your response that India has the right to do as it deems fit and it doesn't owe Pakistan anything except its worst behaviour and conduct

England were the main favorites for the World Cup and along with Australia, the biggest threat to India‘s hopes of winning the World Cup.

Had India won that match, England would have been on the brink of elimination, so how on earth does it make sense for India to deliberately lose that match?

Why on earth would they sabotage their chances of winning the World Cup by keeping England in the tournament and eliminating a poor team like Pakistan?

The only answer is that perhaps they hate Pakistan so much that they would happily reduce their chances of winning the World Cup as long as they can hurt Pakistan, but does this make any sense?

If it was a choice between eliminating Pakistan and nothing, I agree that India could have lost the match deliberately. However, the choice was between eliminating Pakistan and eliminating England, and only a fool would choose to eliminate Pakistan and thus drastically reduce its chances of winning the World Cup.

You are right - India doesn’t owe Pakistan anything, and this wasn’t even an exhibition of worst behavior and conduct. I will reserve those terms for what Pakistan did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy.

They blatantly underperformed to ensure that India are eliminated and Australia qualifies for the semifinal. The same hypocrites who are now crying over India’s unsporting behavior were the ones who lauded Pakistan’s efforts to deliberately throw the match against Australia.

 

[CanadianG00se]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ustralia-vs-india-final-icc-world-cup-2002-03


https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-vs-pakistan-final-icc-champions-trophy-2017


This is how you lose a match that you genuinely try to win.

Those two were finals, as there was no need for run rate to be preserved. The match against England was goner but they were still in contention for Semi final spot by ensuring run rate don’t take nosedive. That is exactly what they did. Now, fans and former cricketers of Pakistan are trying to find consolation that their team was knocked out due to India losing their match intentionally, then it’s their choice. For me they were knocked out due to their own incompetence(loss against WI was a knockout blow)


A team relies on result of other teams for their qualifications are never worthy of a title.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Stokes is trolling. There is plenty of data to show that chasing was harder in the World Cup as the pitches were consistently slowing down throughout a match and especially in this and the England-NZ group match . Also Dhoni 's batting had declined to a great extent by then and there was no way we were winning on that slowing track. We didn't groom the right players and suffered because of it.

Now if it helps y'all sleep better at night thinking that we screwed you out of a World Cup that was yours for the taking then fair enough

 

[Rohan]

England were the main favorites for the World Cup and along with Australia, the biggest threat to India‘s hopes of winning the World Cup.

Had India won that match, England would have been on the brink of elimination, so how on earth does it make sense for India to deliberately lose that match?

Why on earth would they sabotage their chances of winning the World Cup by keeping England in the tournament and eliminating a poor team like Pakistan?

The only answer is that perhaps they hate Pakistan so much that they would happily reduce their chances of winning the World Cup as long as they can hurt Pakistan, but does this make any sense?

If it was a choice between eliminating Pakistan and nothing, I agree that India could have lost the match deliberately. However, the choice was between eliminating Pakistan and eliminating England, and only a fool would choose to eliminate Pakistan and thus drastically reduce its chances of winning the World Cup.

You are right - India doesn’t owe Pakistan anything, and this wasn’t even an exhibition of worst behavior and conduct. I will reserve those terms for what Pakistan did against Australia in the 2009 Champions Trophy.

They blatantly underperformed to ensure that India are eliminated and Australia qualifies for the semifinal. The same hypocrites who are now crying over India’s unsporting behavior were the ones who lauded Pakistan’s efforts to deliberately throw the match against Australia.

You are right. People here think that India should ensure the best interest of Pakistan while playing before their own interests.

 

[Mamoon]

You are right. People here think that India should ensure the best interest of Pakistan while playing before their own interests.

Yes it is only India’s duty to keep our pathetic team in the tournament because we are not good enough to win our own matches.

But it’s okay for New Zealand to play like cowards and show zero intent of chasing England’s target.

 

[Rana]

Indian fans ranting against Pakistan instead of realising that it was Ben Stokes who has thrown India under the bus here

 

[Rohan]

Bakhts ranting against Pakistan instead of realising that it was Ben Stokes who has thrown India under the bus here

Ben Stokes can say whatever he wants to. Pathetic is Pak fans joining the drama instead of retrospecting into own team’s weaknesses. Any conspiracy about why Pak lost to WI poorly to begin with or was it due to IND somehow?

 

[MMHS]

Stoki boy’s marketing tactics has been fantastic for his book - have to say.

 

[Shazzam]

Its understandable India wanted Pakistan to lose. With the roll they were in they were destined to win the World Cup. There was no way did they want to see the repeat of 1992 World Cup. Whats a better man to do it than General Dhoni.

 

[Rana]

What’s unfortunate is, India went on to lose the World Cup in the Semis. The parade cancelled, the Kapil Movie wasn’t released that summer. On top of it, Ben Stokes reaffirmed India’s intention from a neutral perspective and is making money on it through ranting Indians

 

[Rohan]

No one is willing to demonstrate some insight in thinking why was Pak in that situation to begin with? Why no discussion about 2009 WC in that matter? We need strong Pak cricket team for world cricket but until we accept the reality......I think Pak fans are glad that Stokes is making money rather than reality check on Pak team....pathetic thinking

 

[cricketjoshila]

What’s unfortunate is, India went on to lose the World Cup in the Semis. The parade cancelled, the Kapil Movie wasn’t released that summer. On top of it, Ben Stokes reaffirmed India’s intention from a neutral perspective and is making money on it through ranting Indians

Pakistan got knocked out and are now whining why India didnt help them qualify.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan got knocked out and are now whining why India didnt help them qualify.

Not really, Ben Stokes is saying that MSD underperformed.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Not sure why Ben stokes has opened up a can of worms here
Had Pakistan beat new zealand and Afghanistan comfortably they wouldn't have needed help with their net run rate

Not really. We nuked our NRR to the ground with that loss against the West Indies. Blaming India for our ouster is sour grapes.

India had no chance of chasing 338 in a WC game. There were better batting line-ups in that WC, and I would bank on only England (on one of their good days) to chase such a total in a pressure game.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Stoki boy’s marketing tactics has been fantastic for his book - have to say.

Hook, line, and sinker. Feel for the gullible awam.

 

[Afhan Ali]

Why India will want Pakistan to be out of the World Cup?
Are they afraid of Pakistan ( Lol Pak never beat ind in world cup) ?

 

[tyron_woodley]

I don't think india lost on purpose but they defintiely took it easy and let their foot off the peddle. Not deliberately trying to lose but they don't try as hard as they could have. India may have won had the hack aka roy got out early as he should have when india refused to take the drs.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Not really. We nuked our NRR to the ground with that loss against the West Indies. Blaming India for our ouster is sour grapes.

India had no chance of chasing 338 in a WC game. There were better batting line-ups in that WC, and I would bank on only England (on one of their good days) to chase such a total in a pressure game.

only.om flat patta tracks. On any other type of pitch outside England, they would lose. England is so god Damn overrated on PP.

 

[ahmedzee]

The time is gone. Can't do anything about it even if India lost on purpose. We shouldn't be in such a position to begin with and should've batted well against the windies in the first game to qualify for semis.

With that being said, indian supporters here instinctively targeting Pakistan without realizing it is Ben Stokes who wrote this in the book. Any thoughts on Ben Stokes' claim?

 

[Mesozoic]

With that being said, indian supporters here instinctively targeting Pakistan without realizing it is Ben Stokes who wrote this in the book. Any thoughts on Ben Stokes' claim?

Read the title of this thread.

 

[srh]

Shame on India. Moral of the story: dont mess with natural cricket.

 

[Mr Crickekter]

Oh.... That's the sportsmanship of Indian cricketers.....
Throwing bottles.... Indian fans..
Using rude language... Indian cricketers

 

[CanadianG00se]

Not really, Ben Stokes is saying that MSD underperformed.

That’s how MSD have been past few years. If you had followed Indian games closely you would have known that MSD was well past his sell by date. Most Indian fans wanted MSD to retire well before WC’19, but oh well.

 

[Rana]

That’s how MSD have been past few years. If you had followed Indian games closely you would have known that MSD was well past his sell by date. Most Indian fans wanted MSD to retire well before WC’19, but oh well.

MSD had no business staying not out in that match. He should have tried or got out trying, and let the tail have a go.

That would have happened if this were a knockout.

 

[Walawalkar]

MSD had no business staying not out in that match. He should have tried or got out trying, and let the tail have a go.

That would have happened if this were a knockout.

MSD is playing like that since last few years...hell he played liked that even in semifinal but at that time you people too busy celebrating Indias elimination
Stop putting all the blame on Indian team for your elimination... Puri duniya ne theka nahi leke rakha Pakistan ko final me phochane ka.. Pakistan played like minnows in league game...as simple as that

 

[Rana]

MSD is playing like that since last few years...hell he played liked that even in semifinal but at that time you people too busy celebrating Indias elimination
Stop putting all the blame on Indian team for your elimination... Puri duniya ne theka nahi leke rakha Pakistan ko final me phochane ka.. Pakistan played like minnows in league game...as simple as that

If you read my post again, HE HAD NO BUSINESS REMAINING NOT OUT....and he wasn’t not out in the semi final where he actually tried to chase the runs down in the last 5-6 overs.

Indians need to calm down here and divert their anger towards Ben Stokes who only reaffirmed Pakistani theories.

 

[Saj]

The wording from Razzaq could have been better.

I guess he's trying to say, you play to win, did Dhoni and co. play to win, no they didn't.

 

[CanadianG00se]

MSD had no business staying not out in that match. He should have tried or got out trying, and let the tail have a go.

That would have happened if this were a knockout.

He had a business of ensuring India do not have a collapse and struggle with NRR which he did. You and anyone who thinks he was out there to blindly slog or get out then you’re mistaken. You guys need to let go of it and move on. Instead of asking what India and co did, you should ask why Pakistan were brutally mauled by WI of all team.

 

[Rana]

He had a business of ensuring India do not have a collapse and struggle with NRR which he did. You and anyone who thinks he was out there to blindly slog or get out then you’re mistaken. You guys need to let go of it and move on. Instead of asking what India and co did, you should ask why Pakistan were brutally mauled by WI of all team.

Blindly slog? They needed 90 odd in the last 8 overs, he would back himself to take that score on for CSK with 5 wickets in hand! That’s doable for a team like Afghanistan let alone India lol

You guys need to let this protection of MSD go.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not really. We nuked our NRR to the ground with that loss against the West Indies. Blaming India for our ouster is sour grapes.

India had no chance of chasing 338 in a WC game. There were better batting line-ups in that WC, and I would bank on only England (on one of their good days) to chase such a total in a pressure game.

After beating us by ten wickets west indies should have done alot better especially against India

 

[viveks]

Can't blame Dhoni alone. If India lost it deliberately then whole team was involved in it. Dhoni and big hitter Hardik Sobers Pandya's strike rate were quite similar. Kohli's strike rate was poor than Dhoni's.

Are you serious? Dhoni batted in the last 10 overs when the RRQ was highest, Hardik and Kohli batted before that?

 

[liam26]

330+ is very very difficult to chase in a World Cup Game. Pak fans are frustrated for being knocked out due to English Victory but dont bash India as if chasing 330+ is a cakewalk.

I dont know from where Pak fans have got an impression that Team India can chase any target.

 

[viveks]

Blindly slog? They needed 90 odd in the last 8 overs, he would back himself to take that score on for CSK with 5 wickets in hand! That’s doable for a team like Afghanistan let alone India lol

You guys need to let this protection of MSD go.

Not sure if you even watched Dhoni in his last few years with this level of knowledge. What Dhoni does is bat slowly so that people around him smash the ball, and then back himself to accelerate in the last few overs when he's set. When he was older this stopped working, his strike rate started dipping and his taking time to get set hurt the team more than it helped. This worked for India because he was good enough and it was needed because there the tailenders are crap bats. In fact India as a whole prefers to keep wickets in hand till the batsmen are set, this time it didn't work because Rohit and Kohli got out when it was time to accelerate, and the middle order was young and inexperienced. Whatever it was it's pretty obvious that it wasn't a deliberate loss but simply the way India have played for a long time.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Are you serious? Dhoni batted in the last 10 overs when the RRQ was highest, Hardik and Kohli batted before that?

Exactly. So why are people blaming Dhoni alone? What were the strike rates of Kohli and Hardik Pandya? Kindly look at the scorecard first. You were expecting Dhoni to bat like a superbatsman when other batsman before him batted like sheeps too lol.

 

[Usman Chadda]

After beating us by ten wickets west indies should have done alot better especially against India

West Indies are a very poor cricket team. That loss was more about our boys being inept in terms of strategy and game awareness, more than anything else.

 

[Indiafan]

Exactly. So why are people blaming Dhoni alone? What were the strike rates of Kohli and Hardik Pandya? Kindly look at the scorecard first. You were expecting Dhoni to bat like a superbatsman when other batsman before him batted like sheeps too lol.

Is this the first odi match you have ever seen? After losing wickets.the early batsmen playing circumspectly to rebuild the innings and then expecting finishers to blast off ahs been happened in at least 1 game out of 4. Look at how australia plays and rebuilds historically.

It is an obvious strategy to rebuild and then leave it to the finishers. Noe if the finisher plays like sheep then such talks happen

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Dhoni bh@kts showing their mental ability yet again

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is this the first odi match you have ever seen? After losing wickets.the early batsmen playing circumspectly to rebuild the innings and then expecting finishers to blast off ahs been happened in at least 1 game out of 4. Look at how australia plays and rebuilds historically.

It is an obvious strategy to rebuild and then leave it to the finishers. Noe if the finisher plays like sheep then such talks happen

You should atleast do your homework before quoting me. Did you even look at the strike rates of so called big hitters and finishers of Indian team? I am talking about youngsters like Pant and Pandya. Pandya had almost a similar strike rate and Pant was batting at a strike rate of 110. I am sure you have been following Indian cricket for the past few years atleast and know that Pant & Pandya are not known for rebuilding innings and Dhoni is no longer a finisher he used to be before. It's just your hate for Dhoni that is coming out now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Must be pretty hard for so called patriotic Indians to defend India's intent but blame Dhoni for our loss against England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dhoni bh@kts showing their mental ability yet again

No it is overhyped Pandya's and Pant's low life bhakhts who are yet again blaming Dhoni for their failures. They batted like sheeps against NZ too.

And if I am not wrong it was you who was ok with India intentionally losing against England just to kick out Pakistan? Shouldn't you be proud of Dhoni lol?

I know there are shady things going on in IPL and fans like you are ok with it as long as you get to see cheerleaders dancing but do not pollute international cricket with stuff like these. Losing intentionally is not different than match fixing.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Are you serious? Dhoni batted in the last 10 overs when the RRQ was highest, Hardik and Kohli batted before that?

You are talking as if Pandya opened the inning for India lol. Not sure why are you saving Pandya's and Pant's behinds here? Did you even watch the match or not?

Before World Cup both Pant and Pandya were hyped up to be the finishers for India, everyone in India knew Dhoni was no longer a finisher. Blaming Dhoni alone for a loss is quite funny. Some idiots here are also ok with India intentionally losing to kick out Pakistan lol.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Dhoni has been a waste of space since 2017 and retaining him for the World Cup was bound to blow up in our faces and that's exactly what happened. It was not a lack of intent. He just did not have the ability anymore.

 

[Rana]

Dhoni has been a waste of space since 2017 and retaining him for the World Cup was bound to blow up in our faces and that's exactly what happened. It was not a lack of intent. He just did not have the ability anymore.

Yet he tried to take it deep and remained not out.

I think Shami and Bumrah would have taken the score close to maybe 5-10 runs with some luck. We would never know as Dhoni was content with remaining not out

 

[chacha kashmiri]

West Indies are a very poor cricket team. That loss was more about our boys being inept in terms of strategy and game awareness, more than anything else.

They are t20 champions and have added to the psl more than any other nation
Yours under rating the west indies especially that game vs nz in wc 2019

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yet he tried to take it deep and remained not out.

I think Shami and Bumrah would have taken the score close to maybe 5-10 runs with some luck. We would never know as Dhoni was content with remaining not out

The problem is it is highly convenient to blame dhoni for this particular innings when he had played quite a few of these in the two years preceding the World Cup

 

[Saj]

The tactics were bizarre.

Sometimes if rebuilding an innings is needed, you can understand a team falling behind the required run-rate and then attempting to go for the win, but at no time did the likes of Dhoni even attempt to increase the run-rate and go for the win.

A very strange innings.

 

[Indiafan]

You should atleast do your homework before quoting me. Did you even look at the strike rates of so called big hitters and finishers of Indian team? I am talking about youngsters like Pant and Pandya. Pandya had almost a similar strike rate and Pant was batting at a strike rate of 110. I am sure you have been following Indian cricket for the past few years atleast and know that Pant & Pandya are not known for rebuilding innings and Dhoni is no longer a finisher he used to be before. It's just your hate for Dhoni that is coming out now.

Neither of those names you mentioned got a chance to play enough though as dhoni was.neither getting out, nor playing fast towards the end.

 

[Indiafan]

This takes me back to the 90s so much. I remember indians being so obsessed with Pakistan and coming up with thousands of conspiracy theories (and I am talking strictly of cricket here, in the political space this is still the case). Players who did well against pakistan became instant heroes, like Prasad after the 96 world cup. There were so many conspiracy theories about sharjah matches being fixed because we kept losing them, that pakistan wanted to only see our team defeated and will do anything to see that happen.

Meanwhile Pakistanis did not care about India at all much and looked at other teams as bigger opponents.

How the tables have turned today. Today india is not as obsessed with the Pakistani cricket team and look at other teams while almost every Pakistani current and ex player and captain will always make statements about indian team in every context. It looks a lot like a girl with a crush trying to get attention of the popular boy. Conspiracy theories, attacking indian legends, this is exactly what 90s indians used to do with wasim, war, imran

What's heartening for me is that the current cricket set up seems to be very professional, the player in charge, Babar, is a potential ATG who is a no nonsense player focused on cricket. The entire new PCB set up is competent, this team is poised to not be inconsistent anymore but take big leaps in world cricket. A professional set up was what Pakistan was lacking in the last few decades.

I only hope they dont let these dinosaurs like Razzak drag them back and instill them with this conspiracy mindset which causes way more harm than good.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Neither of those names you mentioned got a chance to play enough though as dhoni was.neither getting out, nor playing fast towards the end.

Man atleast look at the scorecard first before embarrassing yourself further. Let me make it easier for you.

Pant 32(29) - SR 110
Pandya 45(33) - SR 136
Dhoni 42*(31) - SR 135
Jadhav 12*(13) - SR 92

Ofcourse Pant and Pandya were playing so fast lol. They should have stayed till the end and finished it.

Rishabh Pant got out in the 40th over and India were 226/4 at that time. India needed more than 100 runs in the last 10 overs. Young and dashing Pandya should be equally blamed for that loss but since he gave his wicket away he has become some kind of a hero for you guys. Expecting Dhoni to score 30 balls 60 from that position was too much especially when he had good for nothing duds like Pandya and Jadhav around him.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Man atleast look at the scorecard first before embarrassing yourself further. Let me make it easier for you.

Pant 32(29) - SR 110
Pandya 45(33) - SR 136
Dhoni 42*(31) - SR 135
Jadhav 12*(13) - SR 92

Ofcourse Pant and Pandya were playing so fast lol. They should have stayed till the end and finished it.

Rishabh Pant got out in the 40th over and India were 226/4 at that time. India needed more than 100 runs in the last 10 overs. Young and dashing Pandya should be equally blamed for that loss but since he gave his wicket away he has become some kind of a hero for you guys. Expecting Dhoni to score 30 balls 60 from that position was too much especially when he had good for nothing duds like Pandya and Jadhav around him.

Expecting dhoni to win that match for india was stupid but everyone here is doubting his intent, he didn't even try to win.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah, they were, despite handing the opposition a wicket in the Final which suited NZ’s style better, and losing the toss.

England were beaten finalists in three of the first five World Cups having lost the toss each time. The toss is very important. England overcame that disadvantage in 2019.

England had the first and second most successful bowlers in the tournament and scored the most runs at the fastest rate.

Pakistan had the best bowler in the 1992 tournament, played really well in the second half after a bad start and deserved their win. They had their bit of luck when the match where England bowled them out for 70 was rained off. You need a bit of luck somewhere to win a tournament.

funny how this doesn't apply to india. Every semi final and final that india lost post 2011 in world cups or champions trophy games happened when india chased. They never got the chance to bat first due to the toss factor.

The one time they won the toss, kohli made a blunder by deciding to chase in a freaking grand final.

India also missed their actual best odi batsman in ICC tournaments aka dhawan. Iyer wasn't picked due to political reasons and pandey wasn't even looked at.

 

[Firebat]

Can't blame any result, but India lacked intent in Eng WC game: Hafeez

Lahore, June 15 (IANS) Veteran Pakistan all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez on Monday said India did not show intent during their 2019 World Cup game against England and he was let down as a cricket fan.

In the match at Birmingham, India were comprehensively beaten by 31 runs after failing to chase England's score of 337/7 last year. Pakistan missed out on a semifinal berth as a result of that game and crashed out of the tournament.

England all-rounder Ben Stokes recently said he was a bit surprised with the way in which the Indian players looked to plan the chase. And while many former Pakistan cricketers looked to use that statement to prove their point that India lost the game to keep Pakistan from qualifying for the knockout stages, Hafeez has said that there was no intent to play with spirit.

"Ask any cricket fan, everyone will say intent to play with spirit was not there. I don't know about the results and who went out because of that. We played good cricket and we were out because of our small mistakes. So I can't blame any result for that," Hafeez, who was part of the 2019 World Cup, told reporters during a video conference facilitated by Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB).

"But as a fan if I see the match, I did not see the match winning intent. I felt bad for the sport. The encounter factor was missing where both teams were playing to win. The mistakes we made, we failed to tick a few boxes in the 2019 World Cup. But as a fan, that is my opinion about that game," added the 39-year old who has been named in the 29-member Pakistan squad for three Tests and as many T20Is against England to be played in August-September.

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...e-positive-cases-in-three-days/1866716?scroll

 

[MenInG]

30th June 2019 - the day India lost (inexplicably) to England

 

[Nikhil_cric]

He does though, he very clearly talks about Dhoni’s lack of intent. Obviously he can’t say it explicitly that “Dhoni does not have integrity” because Stokes would be crucified for saying it by Indian fans.

But when he talks about a lack of intent, he is very explicitly saying that the other team could have tried harder but they didn’t

30th June 2019 - the day India lost (inexplicably) to England

Very inexplicable that India lost by 31 runs while attempting a World Cup record chase against the tournament favourites in their own backyard with a batting lineup that had little to show apart from the top 3 .

Also, highly surprising considering that the pitch was at its fastest for the first 20 of the 100 overs and was extremely slow by the 90th over.

 

[Napa]

30th June 2019 - the day India lost (inexplicably) to England

I think a professional cricketer of Dhoni's stature has too much self-respect to lose deliberately.

Unless he was upset that Pakistan lost deliberately to eliminate India sometime in the past

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

One of the most satisfying loss. Thank you Thala Dhoni for the memories.

 

[Savak]

Extremely badniyat performance by our neighbours and they were taken to task by choking against NZ in the SF.

 

[street cricketer]

Pakistan fans always used to vouch for Dhoni when Indian fans called for his retirement because of his slow poke style of stalling the innings but this was one match when the Pakistan fans truly felt the torture of how it felt to root for a result when old Dhoni was at the crease struggling to get it off the square.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Pakistan fans always used to vouch for Dhoni when Indian fans called for his retirement because of his slow poke style of stalling the innings but this was one match when the Pakistan fans truly felt the torture of how it felt to root for a result when old Dhoni was at the crease struggling to get it off the square.

)

I loved it. Karma at its best.

Those Pakistanis who blindly supported Dhoni back in the day, deserved it.

Later Dhoni and Kohli lost the SF and deserved the humiliation for all the bad decisions they took for years.

The cherry on top was Dhoni bowing out with a selfish innings that cost his country WC.

These jokers so deserved it.

Its sad that Indian cricket has to suffer so much due to these egomaniacs.

But then more humiliations are yet to come.

Starting with WT 20.

My only hope is we course correct before WC 2023.

 

[MP2011]

Very inexplicable that India lost by 31 runs while attempting a World Cup record chase against the tournament favourites in their own backyard with a batting lineup that had little to show apart from the top 3 .

Also, highly surprising considering that the pitch was at its fastest for the first 20 of the 100 overs and was extremely slow by the 90th over.

Pakistani fans and their conspiracy theories!

 

[MP2011]

My only hope is we course correct before WC 2023.

Till the time Kohli stays at helm of Indian cricket, be prepared for more humiliation in world tourneys coming our way!

 

[MP2011]

As for lack of trophies, it's abominable for a country like ours with all the resources at our hand to have no world title in last 8 years!

Only Dhoni and Kohli are responsible for this title drought.