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Oh please just try to win games on the back of your own team's performances rather than hoping for good luck, fortune and miracles.
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"There is no doubt India deliberately lost to England in the 2019 World Cup" : Abdul Razzaq
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Oh please just try to win games on the back of your own team's performances rather than hoping for good luck, fortune and miracles.
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Let's assume India lost deliberately.
How did NZ win compensate Pakistan? Unless the NZ team was Pakistan team in disguise.
The reason for India is losing this match wasn't Dhoni or Pant or Pandya, it was the Top-3.
For years they have been absorbing the majority of balls in the innings with little output to go with it. The middle and lower order then has to enter after the 30th over and start blasting from ball one just to catch up with the run-a-ball rate with little time to settle. When this keeps going on for the entire tournament, it is hardly surprising that the MO bats are never in nick and when the top-3 invariably s&$t the bed in critical matches, they are too undercooked to bring those matches home by themselves.
This is why we lost the WC and the CT-17. Kohli claimed they will change it going forward in the Eng series but I doubt it. They are too selfish and hardly ever face criticism for it. They'd rather keep boosting their averages and century counts than play for the country while everyone keeps asking why the middle order can't score the 10 runs an over left for them by the top order.
Dhoni could have started blasting and he should have but from that position, you are going to lose your wicket and the match 8/10 times.
For years they have been absorbing the majority of balls in the innings with little output to go with it. The middle and lower order then has to enter after the 30th over and start blasting from ball one just to catch up with the run-a-ball rate with little time to settle. When this keeps going on for the entire tournament, it is hardly surprising that the MO bats are never in nick and when the top-3 invariably s&$t the bed in critical matches, they are too undercooked to bring those matches home by themselves.
This is why we lost the WC and the CT-17. Kohli claimed they will change it going forward in the Eng series but I doubt it. They are too selfish and hardly ever face criticism for it. They'd rather keep boosting their averages and century counts than play for the country while everyone keeps asking why the middle order can't score the 10 runs an over left for them by the top order.
Dhoni could have started blasting and he should have but from that position, you are going to lose your wicket and the match 8/10 times.
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Every word you said is the truth.
Especially the last one.
Dhoni could have started blasting but issue is if he had tried it, he would have got out and got exposed like the million preceding times post 2015.
So he played yet another selfish slow knock to take India "closer" to make it look like a clutch knock that just fell short (and he must thank Jaddu for making it look so close).
And many Indians fall for this scam hook, line and sinker.
Still laughing at those poor fans who thought we had a chance to win the WC 2019.
We never had any chance barring a miracle.
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Dhoni was a legendary match winner till 2014 who afterwards became just a selfish stat booster that costed India dozen of matches post 2014.
Since he became a GOD for many by 2013-14 only, he was able to play those selfish knocks regularly for last 5-6 years and nobody had the guts to call it out.
I remember in 2016 when Manish Pandey hit a hundred in 300+ chase, that was the time to use him properly at no.4. But Dhoni and Indian T.M would send Dhoni at no.4 as our top 3 would bat for 30 overs themselves and this means Pandey would bat at 5 around 35th-40th over leaving with not much of time to get himself in. As a result, he failed and couldn't really make a comeback to Indian team before WC '19.
However, in WC'19 semis, the same Dhoni won't come to bat at 4 or even 5 to build the inning( something he was still good at) but come to bat at 7 for late hitting( even though he was no longer good enough for that).
Since he became a GOD for many by 2013-14 only, he was able to play those selfish knocks regularly for last 5-6 years and nobody had the guts to call it out.
I remember in 2016 when Manish Pandey hit a hundred in 300+ chase, that was the time to use him properly at no.4. But Dhoni and Indian T.M would send Dhoni at no.4 as our top 3 would bat for 30 overs themselves and this means Pandey would bat at 5 around 35th-40th over leaving with not much of time to get himself in. As a result, he failed and couldn't really make a comeback to Indian team before WC '19.
However, in WC'19 semis, the same Dhoni won't come to bat at 4 or even 5 to build the inning( something he was still good at) but come to bat at 7 for late hitting( even though he was no longer good enough for that).
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We had Ahmed Shehzad, Asad Shafiq and Misbah in the ODI team at the same time for 7-8 years. No one knows the torture of slow innings better than us.
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We did by winning our last 5 games in a row. India was in red hot form whereas England had lost to Sri Lanka, Australia and were under pressure. Any neutral observer who watched that England India game will definately feel it was a fishy badniyat performance.
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Just like India were gladly willing to lose a match to deliberately have Pakistan kicked out of the Semi's, Pak got satisfaction by seeing India not winning the WC in return
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I don't buy this argument. The Fact Sharma, Kohli, Dhawan are so good is not their problem. The Middle Order has to perform, that is why they are selected and playing for India.
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Nah. Not enough when you needed India to win some third party game for you to progress.
Should have won your last 6 games in a row or last 7 games in a row then.
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2 years on, our fans are yet to explain the logic behind why India and Dhoni would have preferred to keep England in the World Cup and eliminate Pakistan.
Eliminating England and keeping Pakistan in the World Cup would have boosted their chances of winning the World Cup significantly, because on any given day, India is far more likely to beat Pakistan than England.
We all know that Pakistani fans are the most delusional fans in the world, but this is embarrassing even for our standards.
Eliminating England and keeping Pakistan in the World Cup would have boosted their chances of winning the World Cup significantly, because on any given day, India is far more likely to beat Pakistan than England.
We all know that Pakistani fans are the most delusional fans in the world, but this is embarrassing even for our standards.
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This is a Mushfiqur Rahim argument.
When you own team is not capable of achieving anything, you are left with no choice but to seek joy in the disappointment of those who are far, far better than you.
The failures of Team India tower above the success of Pakistan, such is the humongous gap between the two teams.
These days, the only joy and happiness that Pakistani fans get is when India loses. Such is the misery of our fans these days.
They celebrated India losing the semifinal even though their own team was not good enough to qualify for the semifinals in the first place.
They celebrated when India were dismissed for 36 in Adelaide, although those celebrations backfired and blew in their face like no tomorrow.
Now the highlight of their 2021 was the fact that India lost the WTC final, even though their own team is so far below the table that it is hard to even find them.
There is nothing worse than being a Pakistan cricket fan these days. It is a very special type of misery and you would not want to wish it on your worst enemy.
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And shame on New Zealand and Williamson for playing like grade A cowards and showing no intent of beating England at Chester-le-Street.
They were content with protecting their NRR and deliberately lost the match so that Pakistan could be eliminated.
They did not even make a fake effort to chase the target and batted at a run rate below 4 throughout the innings.
One can imagine the reaction of our delusional fans and media had India done what New Zealand did.
They were content with protecting their NRR and deliberately lost the match so that Pakistan could be eliminated.
They did not even make a fake effort to chase the target and batted at a run rate below 4 throughout the innings.
One can imagine the reaction of our delusional fans and media had India done what New Zealand did.
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So you guys are dependent on other teams not only to progress in tournaments but for happiness/satisfaction also.
Lol, this is some top level self trolling.
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We are not capable of beating England in Engalabd in any format.
Sad for us Indian fans but that's the fact.
Sad for us Indian fans but that's the fact.
Not only that india england match, some last 4-5 matches looked very fishy in that world cup. Looked like every team was helping england to reach into final and win that trophy. I had a feeling that australia was also underperforming in the semis against them.
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Bump - need of the hour.Can't blame Dhoni alone. If India lost it deliberately then whole team was involved in it. Dhoni and big hitter Hardik Sobers Pandya's strike rate were quite similar. Kohli's strike rate was poor than Dhoni's.
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Revenge is sweetBump - need of the hour.
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What the Revenge? I don't think Pakistan lost it deliberately against South Africa, they are Just not good enough to win the test in australia and South Africa.
And neither india deliberately lost against England in 2019 World cup.
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It was a joke
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Still holds true for Pakistan.
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Have you written your letter toGovt of India where you want to ban sites that didnt give you a crying shoulder?
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quote me the post where i said this.
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It doesn’t.
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Bump - need of the hour.
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Poor you. There are so many posts of yours to bump.
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Feel free to do so. I was right then and I am right now.
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