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There should not be wholesale changes in the Pakistan squad against South Africa

it your going to play to play zahid you might azwell cary on with yasir.zahid economy is more 4 i belive or close to it

Zahid if i remember got like a 10 wickets in one of the QeA games but you are right, i think he's a step too far in a change. In that case Zafar and Yasir would be my reliable spinners.
 
Shan Masood, Haris Sohail, Naseem Shah, Mohd Abbass definately need to be dropped for sure.

Azhar Ali, Yasir Shah have huge question marks on whether they are viable to be selected in the long run.

Get in domestic performers.
 
my team i would go with a 5 man attack.i would also include saud at 5 and kamran ghullam at 3.i wanted to include fawad but dont know were to fit him unless we go with a 4 man attack.

I will drop shan,abid,haris from the squad.i will keep in the squad but wont play in the team abbas,azhar,yasir
Azhar aliF
Imaam
Kamran ghullam
Babar
Saud shakeel
Rizwan
Gohar
Sajid
Hassan ali
Shaheen
Fahim

Yasir
Abbas
Usman saladin
Fawad
Yasir

I think it would be unfair to drop Fawad at least for the Karachi game. You have to give players chances now that all the games/majority of games are on home conditions. Full chances i say on both home and away pitches, if you can't excel at home then you deserve to be dropped.
 
May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back . Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket , play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.

I disagree. Hasan Ali needs to make a comeback for Naseem Shah, and he's also a decent batsman. Faheem and Abbas are almost the same in terms of pace. Hasan Ali is a tad bit quicker and matches the speed of Shaheen. He has also bowled excellently on Pakistani wickets in this season of the QEA trophy. He should definitely get in the squad.
 
Took to the cleaners by Hasan Ali, 25 in 1 over looked ordinary to me every match i saw lets see.

Hassan ali took all the bowlers to the cleaners if we go by domestic stats he should be in the squad vs south africa
 
Zahid if i remember got like a 10 wickets in one of the QeA games but you are right, i think he's a step too far in a change. In that case Zafar and Yasir would be my reliable spinners.

If hes economy was at 3/3.5 then fair enough replace him with yasir but its above 4 thats not good enough for domestic stats
 
I think it would be unfair to drop Fawad at least for the Karachi game. You have to give players chances now that all the games/majority of games are on home conditions. Full chances i say on both home and away pitches, if you can't excel at home then you deserve to be dropped.

I wouldn't mind him coming to the team in place of kamran and saud to be played at 3 but i dont think saud is a number 3 batter i see him more of a number 5
 
I wouldn't mind him coming to the team in place of kamran and saud to be played at 3 but i dont think saud is a number 3 batter i see him more of a number 5

I just think Fawad might be a key batsman in Karachi at 5, majority of the games this year are being played at home so might be the best chance to gain confidence and besides most away games are players play awful. However, kind of their fault for not playing enough English County Cricket.

Fawad wasn't as bad in this tour and certainly wasn't the weakest link.
 
Lol he is 25 year old. He hasn't played full seasons in the past due to of A tours and Asia emerging tournament. It is now or never for him

Fine tuning before making debut should be a MUST for pakistani cricketers , a foundation course to step up to international cricket.
 
Unfortunately I'm not as clued up with the domestics that much this season so maybe some of you guys can help with this one:

so we need two fast bowlers: I would suggest Hasan Ali to come back and?
We need a new opener to bat alongside Imam
We need another spinning all rounder to replace shadab.
We need two middle order batsmen: I would say on is Kamran Ghulam but we need another..

We have problems everywhere so I wouldnt single out one area to say this is weak etc..we are weak everywhere.

And Azhar sahib is nearing retirement too..we actually need a whole new middle order for goodness sakes. But this again shows the brainless succession planning!!
 
is there any body else in Pakistan who can touch 150kph in a Test and stay between 138kph and 145kph during a whole Test.
Naseem was mainly 130kph to 139kph in the series with NZ, Shaheen staayed around 140kph and touched 145kph on occasions, but Nasheem is the speedster??

what am I missing
 
So Zain abbas who has only really shown consistency this season and has a first class average of 32 is ready for test cricket? This is the issue with people on this forum, they give kneejerk reactions when someone shows a bit of form on the domestic scene and then give further kneejerk reactions when a player does not perform in the international arena deeming them a " failure " or "TTF" after a few games.
 
Also I think Abbas should stay in the team as he is going at 2 runs per over, he can be used to slow down the scoring, also think the wicket keeper may have to stand up to the stumps
 
But you have to play your best domestic spinners. Who else is there?

He isnt the best by a long shot. The other guys arent very good either but they are better than him as spinners. Nauman has the most control but has a round arm action. Looking at how poor ZG was, Bilal Asif isnt the worst option
 
Pakistan's next 17 or so tests are in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and the West Indies. Azhar Ali with a half decent performance in what is likely to be his last ever SENA tour has essentially booked his spot for these games provided he remains fit and is able to score in conditions that suit him.

Similarly, Abbas, whilst completely innocuous on this tour, will probably find success on the low bounce Asian and West Indian wickets, and Rizwan will find it easier to come up to the stumps due to the slower pace. He can certainly play a role over the next year or two whilst someone like Naseem finds his way in domestic cricket, or someone like Dhani develops.

I expect Naseem, Haris, and perhaps Shan Masood will be dropped. Babar will inevitably slot in for Haris and Hassan Ali is the most likely replacement for Naseem. Unfortunately there are no openers in domestic cricket knocking the door down and demanding selection. Sending Azhar in to open and having someone like Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel, or Usman Salahuddin coming in at 3 is an option.
 
Pakistan's next 17 or so tests are in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and the West Indies. Azhar Ali with a half decent performance in what is likely to be his last ever SENA tour has essentially booked his spot for these games provided he remains fit and is able to score in conditions that suit him.

Similarly, Abbas, whilst completely innocuous on this tour, will probably find success on the low bounce Asian and West Indian wickets, and Rizwan will find it easier to come up to the stumps due to the slower pace. He can certainly play a role over the next year or two whilst someone like Naseem finds his way in domestic cricket, or someone like Dhani develops.

I expect Naseem, Haris, and perhaps Shan Masood will be dropped. Babar will inevitably slot in for Haris and Hassan Ali is the most likely replacement for Naseem. Unfortunately there are no openers in domestic cricket knocking the door down and demanding selection. Sending Azhar in to open and having someone like Kamran Ghulam, Saud Shakeel, or Usman Salahuddin coming in at 3 is an option.

Azhar opening looks like a likely move and i also see Imam even replacing Abid.

Pakistan shouldn't look to make major changes, i reckon some of the players in the current setup could dominate at home and on Asian soil so i would persist with them.
 
He isnt the best by a long shot. The other guys arent very good either but they are better than him as spinners. Nauman has the most control but has a round arm action. Looking at how poor ZG was, Bilal Asif isnt the worst option

Maybe not but the other options might be worse. Bilal Asif has only played 3 first class games and picked up 6 wickets at 76.00. Hes almost 36 and there's no future for him. Sajid Khan and Nauman Ali seem to be the ones with the best on current form. One of them should partner Yasir and I think Sajid might be the best option available.
 
Maybe not but the other options might be worse. Bilal Asif has only played 3 first class games and picked up 6 wickets at 76.00. Hes almost 36 and there's no future for him. Sajid Khan and Nauman Ali seem to be the ones with the best on current form. One of them should partner Yasir and I think Sajid might be the best option available.

You will see Sajid and realise that he has a terrible action. His action reminds me of desi taxi drivers that play parks cricket on Sundays. Nauman is slightly better but won't uproot any trees but without the off spinner, just under cutters . At least with Bilal we know what we are going to get, although he wasn't that good either.
 
Maybe not but the other options might be worse. Bilal Asif has only played 3 first class games and picked up 6 wickets at 76.00. Hes almost 36 and there's no future for him. Sajid Khan and Nauman Ali seem to be the ones with the best on current form. One of them should partner Yasir and I think Sajid might be the best option available.

Yep, i think with majority of our games being played on Asian soil that would be a smart move. I'm not a big fan of having 2 leggies as our spin dept, i'd want one leggie and an offie in Sajid Khan/Nauman Ali. Sajid Khan's action i like and seems a little like Graeme Swann's.
 
Yep, i think with majority of our games being played on Asian soil that would be a smart move. I'm not a big fan of having 2 leggies as our spin dept, i'd want one leggie and an offie in Sajid Khan/Nauman Ali. Sajid Khan's action i like and seems a little like Graeme Swann's.

I disagree. I don't think it looks anything like Swann's. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] But what I noticed from the highlights of his bowling was that he troubles even right handed batsmen because if the drift he gets away and the spin back in to the batsman. He puts a lot of side spin on the ball . He got Saad Nasim stumped with an absolute pearler that went through the gate. Not sure if he is a long term option or not but the way he is bowling now , he must be tried atleast.
 
I disagree. I don't think it looks anything like Swann's. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] But what I noticed from the highlights of his bowling was that he troubles even right handed batsmen because if the drift he gets away and the spin back in to the batsman. He puts a lot of side spin on the ball . He got Saad Nasim stumped with an absolute pearler that went through the gate. Not sure if he is a long term option or not but the way he is bowling now , he must be tried atleast.

Note i said "a little like" not completely him. Anyways he's probs the best spinner for now and on Asian soil could be a handful. We will see now apparently team announcement is on the 14th and meeting is in the next few days i.e. 10th.
 
I disagree. I don't think it looks anything like Swann's. [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] But what I noticed from the highlights of his bowling was that he troubles even right handed batsmen because if the drift he gets away and the spin back in to the batsman. He puts a lot of side spin on the ball . He got Saad Nasim stumped with an absolute pearler that went through the gate. Not sure if he is a long term option or not but the way he is bowling now , he must be tried atleast.

If I was wrong then nothing would give me greater pleasure. For me he under cuts the ball and gets a bit drift but he cant spin the ball into right handers with any energy. Swann was some bowler, if this guy was any where near that level, we will have discovered some talent.
 
Get rid of Abid, Masood, Haris, Yasir, Naseem and Abbas. Find 2 openers, bring in Saud, play Nauman, try Dhani and another

Dhani is still 1-1.5 seasons away from Test cricket. I'm excited by Dhani but needs to improve his control, ER is bit on the high side. Don't want another kid ruined by fast-track selection.

Unfortunately I'm not as clued up with the domestics that much this season so maybe some of you guys can help with this one:

so we need two fast bowlers: I would suggest Hasan Ali to come back and?
We need a new opener to bat alongside Imam
We need another spinning all rounder to replace shadab.
We need two middle order batsmen: I would say on is Kamran Ghulam but we need another..

We have problems everywhere so I wouldnt single out one area to say this is weak etc..we are weak everywhere.

And Azhar sahib is nearing retirement too..we actually need a whole new middle order for goodness sakes. But this again shows the brainless succession planning!!

If we want experienced seamers then Hasan Ali and Waqas Maqsood were the two best performers this season. Waqas is skilful fast medium, swings the ball both ways. Hasan's a useful batter too.

Opening options are mediocre. Only two averaged more than 40 this season - Sharjeel Khan and Zain Abbas, latter is a domestic journeymen.

Spin bowling ARs include Mohammad Nawaz (but his bowling is club level) and Agha Salman (organised batsman but non-threatening with the ball).

Saud Shakeel and Usman Salahuddin had good seasons so along with Kamran Ghulam there's plenty of middle order options.
 
Sajid khan is underrated i feel.
He puts a lot of 'work' on the ball. Deceives a lot of batsmen with dip and drift, also seen him turn it big, will trouble the lefties too with that drift.

Havent seen a lot of him though, but his stats also look impressive.
 
May be replace only naseem shah and shan masood.

Pakistan need to continue with abbas as there are no suitable replacements at the moment.

1. Give saud shakeel and kamran ghulam another season to groom their skills further and if possible train them with qualified batting and fielding coaches.

2. Play imran butt , who is already in the current squad , against south africa.
Haris sohail won't play anyway as Babar azam will come back .

3. Can't replace zafar gohar on back off a debut performance on a track where there was nothing for spinners. Prepare a spin wicket ,

4. play yasir , zafar , faheem , shaheen and abbas. Fawad can bowl left arm spin as well.

Pakistan is running out of chances to groom a squad for the 2021-23 World Test Championship, and they already have by the squad in the 2019-21 World Test Championship which has BY FAR the FEWEST players aged 21-30.

And now you are saying:

1. Ignore players like Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel who are at their peak and will still be young enough in the 2021-23 period.

2. Instead select Abid Ali and Fawad Alam who are aged 33 and 35, and whose combined performances in the last two series are:

ABID ALI
5 Tests
9 innings
1 fifty, 0 hundreds, 8 scores under 50
AVERAGE 23.88

FAWAD ALAM
4 Tests
7 innings, 1 not out.
150 runs
1 hundred, 0 fifties, 6 scores under 50,
AVERAGE 25.00

You want to stick with Yasir Shah, who at 34 already has vastly diminished performances, yet in his 8 Tests in SENA in the last 2 years has the following record:

YASIR SHAH
8 Tests
19 wickets
0 x 5 wicket innings, 0 x 10 wicket matches
Economy Rate 4.03
Strike Rate 80.3
AVERAGE 54.05

And don't forget .......

AZHAR ALI
10 Tests
19 innings, 1 x not out
1 hundred, 1 fifty, 16 completed innings under 50
AVERAGE 28.00

These are four geriatric players who are already older than the age that 95% of Test cricketers play their last Test at.

Three batsmen averaging 24, 25 and 28
One bowler averaging 54.

What chance has the team got for the 2021-23 World Test Championship if it is already carrying non-performing veterans like these three?
 
Pakistan is running out of chances to groom a squad for the 2021-23 World Test Championship, and they already have by the squad in the 2019-21 World Test Championship which has BY FAR the FEWEST players aged 21-30.

And now you are saying:

1. Ignore players like Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel who are at their peak and will still be young enough in the 2021-23 period.

2. Instead select Abid Ali and Fawad Alam who are aged 33 and 35, and whose combined performances in the last two series are:

ABID ALI
5 Tests
9 innings
1 fifty, 0 hundreds, 8 scores under 50
AVERAGE 23.88

FAWAD ALAM
4 Tests
7 innings, 1 not out.
150 runs
1 hundred, 0 fifties, 6 scores under 50,
AVERAGE 25.00

You want to stick with Yasir Shah, who at 34 already has vastly diminished performances, yet in his 8 Tests in SENA in the last 2 years has the following record:

YASIR SHAH
8 Tests
19 wickets
0 x 5 wicket innings, 0 x 10 wicket matches
Economy Rate 4.03
Strike Rate 80.3
AVERAGE 54.05

And don't forget .......

AZHAR ALI
10 Tests
19 innings, 1 x not out
1 hundred, 1 fifty, 16 completed innings under 50
AVERAGE 28.00

These are four geriatric players who are already older than the age that 95% of Test cricketers play their last Test at.

Three batsmen averaging 24, 25 and 28
One bowler averaging 54.

What chance has the team got for the 2021-23 World Test Championship if it is already carrying non-performing veterans like these three?


Why don’t you mention Naseem Shah average, why always Yasir?
 
I agree

Shan should be dropped preferably replaced by Imam

Haris dropped for Kamran or Saud

Naseem dropped for Hasan Ali

Would be the only changes I will make
 
Sajid khan is underrated i feel.
He puts a lot of 'work' on the ball. Deceives a lot of batsmen with dip and drift, also seen him turn it big, will trouble the lefties too with that drift.

Havent seen a lot of him though, but his stats also look impressive.

Sajid Khan is bang on average.
 
Why don’t you mention Naseem Shah average, why always Yasir?

I am always clear that you don't pick teenagers either, not just geriatrics.

7 to 8 members of the team need to be aged 21-30 - just like England and South Africa, who are Test cricket's other two mid-table teams.
 
I am always clear that you don't pick teenagers either, not just geriatrics.

7 to 8 members of the team need to be aged 21-30 - just like England and South Africa, who are Test cricket's other two mid-table teams.


But you can’t criticise Yasir and then not mention the guy who was breaking world records for worst figures. You told us he was Fred Trueman reincarnated!
 
Pakistan is running out of chances to groom a squad for the 2021-23 World Test Championship, and they already have by the squad in the 2019-21 World Test Championship which has BY FAR the FEWEST players aged 21-30.

And now you are saying:

1. Ignore players like Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel who are at their peak and will still be young enough in the 2021-23 period.

2. Instead select Abid Ali and Fawad Alam who are aged 33 and 35, and whose combined performances in the last two series are:

ABID ALI
5 Tests
9 innings
1 fifty, 0 hundreds, 8 scores under 50
AVERAGE 23.88

FAWAD ALAM
4 Tests
7 innings, 1 not out.
150 runs
1 hundred, 0 fifties, 6 scores under 50,
AVERAGE 25.00

You want to stick with Yasir Shah, who at 34 already has vastly diminished performances, yet in his 8 Tests in SENA in the last 2 years has the following record:

YASIR SHAH
8 Tests
19 wickets
0 x 5 wicket innings, 0 x 10 wicket matches
Economy Rate 4.03
Strike Rate 80.3
AVERAGE 54.05

And don't forget .......

AZHAR ALI
10 Tests
19 innings, 1 x not out
1 hundred, 1 fifty, 16 completed innings under 50
AVERAGE 28.00

These are four geriatric players who are already older than the age that 95% of Test cricketers play their last Test at.

Three batsmen averaging 24, 25 and 28
One bowler averaging 54.

What chance has the team got for the 2021-23 World Test Championship if it is already carrying non-performing veterans like these three?

Pakistan should forget about the next championship , pakistani domestic players need refresher courses before making a step up. There isnt enough quality there , our best chance is to prepare players to somehow get close to international quality before they make their debut.

The replacements of asad and azhar should be good and long lasting , there isnt enougj patience in our nation to withstand failures from upcoming guys. Dont want kamran and saud to get ousted after they score low scores against south africa.
 
So Zain abbas who has only really shown consistency this season and has a first class average of 32 is ready for test cricket? This is the issue with people on this forum, they give kneejerk reactions when someone shows a bit of form on the domestic scene and then give further kneejerk reactions when a player does not perform in the international arena deeming them a " failure " or "TTF" after a few games.

You can't judge a player before seeing him.
He scored 780 odd runs i the season where Dukes ball was used and teams were gettng out on 125-150.
 
Why don’t you mention Naseem Shah average, why always Yasir?

In response to Junaid and Azhar Ali’s last 10 tests .

Why don’t you give the stats of Azhar Ali’s last two tours of England and New Zealand , which is a sound reflection of his current form .?
Is it because in these last two tours Azhar is averaging 40 plus ? Surely his form must be deteriorating as he is over 30 not improving . So I am not sure why he is averaging over 40 in his last two tours .

Just shows what you say is total nonsense .
 
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Unfortunately I'm not as clued up with the domestics that much this season so maybe some of you guys can help with this one:

so we need two fast bowlers: I would suggest Hasan Ali to come back and?
We need a new opener to bat alongside Imam
We need another spinning all rounder to replace shadab.
We need two middle order batsmen: I would say on is Kamran Ghulam but we need another..

We have problems everywhere so I wouldnt single out one area to say this is weak etc..we are weak everywhere.

And Azhar sahib is nearing retirement too..we actually need a whole new middle order for goodness sakes. But this again shows the brainless succession planning!!

@theGreatKhan

1. No other fast bowler really stood out other than Hassan, except maybe Waqas Maqsood. Irfanullah looks a prospect for the future, but have really not seen enough. If we prepare a dust bowl, we should go with Hassan and Shaheen and 2 frontline spinners.

2. Sharjeel was the only opener who asserted any real authority. Imam should not be considered since we should prioritize first class performances - we are better off pushing Azhar into the opening spot with Abid (who has done magnificently at home so far, and decently away), and inducting 2 middle order batsmen.

3. Zafar can be the spin all-rounder we’re looking for to replace Shadab. The real question is, should he be the third spinner or second spinner? We can feasibly go with an attack that contains Zafar, Sajid, and Yasir, since all three of them plus Hassan Ali can bat. If that’s a bit overkill, we will need to pick two of these above three names (I rate Yasir ahead on pure skill but rate him equal to the other two since he’s not a long term prospect).

4. Kamran and Saud. Statistically, dominance-wise, age wise, and in terms of technique. They have been head and shoulders above the rest except maybe Usman Salahuddin who has been slightly behind them on performances (and also is aged 30).

This would be my lineup against SA with dustbowls prepared:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Abid Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel
5. Kamran Ghulam
6. Fawad Alam
7. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir Shah
10. Hassan Ali
11. Shaheen Afridi

Sajid Khan as backup spinner.
 
In response to Junaid and Azhar Ali’s last 10 tests .

Why don’t you give the stats of Azhar Ali’s last two tours of England and New Zealand , which is a sound reflection of his current form .?
Is it because in these last two tours Azhar is averaging 40 plus ? Surely his form must be deteriorating as he is over 30 not improving . So I am not sure why he is averaging over 40 in his last two tours .

Just shows what you say is total nonsense .

He picks and chooses his stats to suit his agendas.
 
@theGreatKhan

1. No other fast bowler really stood out other than Hassan, except maybe Waqas Maqsood. Irfanullah looks a prospect for the future, but have really not seen enough. If we prepare a dust bowl, we should go with Hassan and Shaheen and 2 frontline spinners.

2. Sharjeel was the only opener who asserted any real authority. Imam should not be considered since we should prioritize first class performances - we are better off pushing Azhar into the opening spot with Abid (who has done magnificently at home so far, and decently away), and inducting 2 middle order batsmen.

3. Zafar can be the spin all-rounder we’re looking for to replace Shadab. The real question is, should he be the third spinner or second spinner? We can feasibly go with an attack that contains Zafar, Sajid, and Yasir, since all three of them plus Hassan Ali can bat. If that’s a bit overkill, we will need to pick two of these above three names (I rate Yasir ahead on pure skill but rate him equal to the other two since he’s not a long term prospect).

4. Kamran and Saud. Statistically, dominance-wise, age wise, and in terms of technique. They have been head and shoulders above the rest except maybe Usman Salahuddin who has been slightly behind them on performances (and also is aged 30).

This would be my lineup against SA with dustbowls prepared:

1. Azhar Ali
2. Abid Ali
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel
5. Kamran Ghulam
6. Fawad Alam
7. Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
8. Zafar Gohar
9. Yasir Shah
10. Hassan Ali
11. Shaheen Afridi

Sajid Khan as backup spinner.

How old are Saud and Kamran Ghulam?
Also from what you guys have seen this year is there a player who perhaps hasnt got teh astronomical stats but looks like someone who could do well at test level? I'm thinking a Micheal Vaughn type player who's first class stats were good ut nothing to shout home about but he had some real talent and good technique..

with regards to fast bowling..i gotta say we are in big trouble when it comes to test cricket at the moment. Waqas just looks ok nothing special. Hasan ali can have good days and bad days. Afridi is still learning and doesnt do much with the old ball. Naseem is no where near ready. Abbas is hit and miss with the kookaburra. What are we gonna do. No coach can sort that out..

Do we fast track Rauf into the test side? I cant see him prospering in red ball cricket yet until he plays at least a season of QEA. What about Dhani or should we wait?

no wonder Misbah is hiding his white hair by colouring his beard lol
 
[MENTION=253]the Great Khan[/MENTION] they’re both 25 years old, which I think is the optimal age to debut youngsters into Test Cricket. They’ve gone through the hard grind of first class cricket and know the exact ins and outs of their game, and know how to build big daddy hundreds and play on different pitches, different conditions, and against different bowlers. Plus they have 10+ years still in their career and are about to enter their peak years.

I would much rather debut a 25 year old than a 20 year old unless that 20 year old has immense natural ability like Shubman Gill (who himself already has a lot of first class experience and already played 20 matches averaging 75+). Marnus Labuschagne debuted at 25 too, for example.

As far as any talents go who did not blow the tournament open statistically, there are a few 20-22 year olds who look to have much more class than a couple of the seniors in their teams. But they are far from the finished products. Omair bin Yousuf, Nasir Nawaz, Ali Zaryab, Mubasir Khan, and Abdul Wahid Bangalzai are all very stylish players with proper talent and excellent technique. I hope they develop well and come ripe in 2-3 years with another 20-30 FC games under their belts. However none of them are worthy of fast tracking like Vaughn. In fact, I disagree even with Babar being fast tracked as it meant the Test team suffered while he developed, and he could easily have been given some more time in FC cricket.

Similarly, Haider Ali and Abdullah Shafique will now have a gap of first class cricket for 2 years by the time of QeA 2021. Let that sink in.

If Haider Ali continues playing for the national team, depending on scheduling of limited overs series, he will likely only 3-4 more first class games every year for the next few years.

Here’s the scheduling:

November-December: Away series vs Bangladesh - Two Tests and three T20Is

December: Home series vs West Indies - Three ODIs and three T20Is

Will he play T20Is and ODIs against Bangladesh and West Indies in December or will he play first class cricket?

He currently has 8 FC games under his belt, while Gill has 22 and by 2022, it’s likely that Haider’s number will increase to maybe 12 while Gill will have played enough Test cricket too that the FC number balloons to 40. That’s the difference in how we manage our players. Otherwise Haider is an elite talent too.

Regarding fast bowling... I really have no answers. We are in a dark period. Just pray Hassan, Shaheen, Naseem develop quickly. No one else can be fast tracked, otherwise we’ll end up with other case like Naseem - talent, but completely raw and useless. Other options are maybe Ilyas, Dhani, Irfanullah. Hopefully they come along well.

Hasnain, Musa, and Rauf need to play first class cricket.

I don’t envy Pakistan’s management. They’ve made a lot of mistakes, which I criticize, but even if they got everything right, I don’t think the situation would be much better.
 
I just think Fawad might be a key batsman in Karachi at 5, majority of the games this year are being played at home so might be the best chance to gain confidence and besides most away games are players play awful. However, kind of their fault for not playing enough English County Cricket.

Fawad wasn't as bad in this tour and certainly wasn't the weakest link.

Defonitely wasnt the weekest he had a ok tour i would say.i think it just depends hoe many new players they bring and what position in the batting order
 
My revised XI for first test vs Safrica @ karachi including justification for selections:

Abid ali
Azhar ali
Babar azam
Rizwan (WK)
Fawad Alam
Saud Shakeel
Faheem Ashraf/Shadab
Zafar gohar
Yasir shah
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Shah
12th man - kamran ghulam

This would be my XI for the karachi test. Realistically however I expect garbage like shan, haris & abbas all to keep their places. This should be yasirs last chance too imo. He is absolutely trash outside the sub continent and in the past year has looked a shadow of himself. As much as I have loved his service to the country he is on the decline and other options should be explored. He deserves the chance to shine though on tracks that are conducive to spin.

Kamran unlucky not to debut in my XI after his stellar season but Saud is super talented with a ridiculously high ceiling imo should he apply himself and work hard so gets the nod. It will be a spinners haven so would opt for 2 specialist spinners and a bowling AR like faheem or shadab at 7. Rubbish like shan (the most coached and artificially manufactured player with minimal natural flair or ability) and haris(embarrassingly unfit and fails more often then not, been given plenty of chances) can go replaced with the future in saud and kamran. Both coming off the back of excellent QEA performances. Huge fan of zafar, needs to persisted with especially with yasirs awful numbers outside of the sub continent. Also I like Nasim as a long term prospect but hes far too raw for test cricket and I fear anothrr serious injury on the horizon for him. He needs to go back to domestic with his work load carefully managed. Hassan Ali has been resurgent in this QEA winning player of the tournament. Hes deserving of a recall and a chance once again to stake a claim as our pace bowling stocks are of an embarrassingly low standard. Abbas has been found out at this level and with his gentle pace he is troubling no one. Great to tie up an end and apply constant pressure but unless rizzy comes upto the stumps to him to negate batsmen completely nullifying him by batting out the crease I don't see him picking up many wickets. Keep him in the squad but hassan deserves a go.

No wholesale changes, just subtle additions of deserving players who have proven themselves in our Premier domestic competition. Really like the look of this team. I sincerely hope mo wasim is bold enough to select them. In his stint as coach of northern he has shown he backs young players and esp. speaks highly of saud so its about time we gave him a long overdue chance to shine. I am extremely excited about the appointment of wasim as chief selector. Just need misbah to go with a strict foreign coach brought in who has zero tolerance for poor fitness standards and we will be set.
 
My revised XI for first test vs Safrica @ karachi including justification for selections:

Abid ali
Azhar ali
Babar azam
Rizwan (WK)
Fawad Alam
Saud Shakeel
Faheem Ashraf/Shadab
Zafar gohar
Yasir shah
Hassan Ali
Shaheen Shah
12th man - kamran ghulam

This would be my XI for the karachi test. Realistically however I expect garbage like shan, haris & abbas all to keep their places. This should be yasirs last chance too imo. He is absolutely trash outside the sub continent and in the past year has looked a shadow of himself. As much as I have loved his service to the country he is on the decline and other options should be explored. He deserves the chance to shine though on tracks that are conducive to spin.

Kamran unlucky not to debut in my XI after his stellar season but Saud is super talented with a ridiculously high ceiling imo should he apply himself and work hard so gets the nod. It will be a spinners haven so would opt for 2 specialist spinners and a bowling AR like faheem or shadab at 7. Rubbish like shan (the most coached and artificially manufactured player with minimal natural flair or ability) and haris(embarrassingly unfit and fails more often then not, been given plenty of chances) can go replaced with the future in saud and kamran. Both coming off the back of excellent QEA performances. Huge fan of zafar, needs to persisted with especially with yasirs awful numbers outside of the sub continent. Also I like Nasim as a long term prospect but hes far too raw for test cricket and I fear anothrr serious injury on the horizon for him. He needs to go back to domestic with his work load carefully managed. Hassan Ali has been resurgent in this QEA winning player of the tournament. Hes deserving of a recall and a chance once again to stake a claim as our pace bowling stocks are of an embarrassingly low standard. Abbas has been found out at this level and with his gentle pace he is troubling no one. Great to tie up an end and apply constant pressure but unless rizzy comes upto the stumps to him to negate batsmen completely nullifying him by batting out the crease I don't see him picking up many wickets. Keep him in the squad but hassan deserves a go.

No wholesale changes, just subtle additions of deserving players who have proven themselves in our Premier domestic competition. Really like the look of this team. I sincerely hope mo wasim is bold enough to select them. In his stint as coach of northern he has shown he backs young players and esp. speaks highly of saud so its about time we gave him a long overdue chance to shine. I am extremely excited about the appointment of wasim as chief selector. Just need misbah to go with a strict foreign coach brought in who has zero tolerance for poor fitness standards and we will be set.

Shadab is injuired
 
[MENTION=151892]Thunderbolt14[/MENTION] thanks for that great post. im gonna catch up with the QEA vids and get back to looking at our young players. Just havent had the time at the moment.
[MENTION=21850]Lfc4life786[/MENTION] I guess I agree with your assessment. Does anybody have any vids of Kamran and Sauds big innings this year..it would help with my further analysis.

India manage their players way better than us. they always have even when we had a better side. I'm hoping that we can get a core of good test players ready and just play them. I have high hopes that once we get a decent core the test team will tick along because the work load isnt that much and the batsmen can play well into their late 30's these days.

White ball we will always be competitive, yes we will flitter from sublime to silly but I dont mind that as we will always be dangerous in tournies as thats what i really care about..

But for me test cricket is where we can really make ourselves hard to beat. I dont get why Misbah hasnt instilled this into his team yet. Better to get two draws than two losses.. I want to see us grind teams down and force them to fight to beat us..
 
looks like more than wholesale changes.

I think the players who have been axed from the squad are justified exclusions.shan,haris,abbas,naseem atleast hes given merit to domestic performances and justification was given on all players.any suprising ones for you ?
 
I think the players who have been axed from the squad are justified exclusions.shan,haris,abbas,naseem atleast hes given merit to domestic performances and justification was given on all players.any suprising ones for you ?

haris and abdullah shafiq.
 
haris and abdullah shafiq.

Muhammad wasim gave the reason for dropping Haris and was rightly dropped what is the reason he should be in the squad.as for oppeners who else would you have choosen imaam is injuired .shan masood had a shocking series.only option was for azhar to open ?
 
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