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I've been thinking about boycotting Pakistan cricket team. They have absolutely pathetic and the PCB is absolutely corrupt & ridiculous.

We have a toothless captain that crumbles in the slightest bit of pressure, that is, no one other than, Babar Azam. A useless player like this does not merit a place in the XI. A few centuries against Zimbabwe, Nepal, Sri Lanka, West Indies, etc. and we made him the commander of the team for all formats.

We removed an amazing smart charismatic nice-hearted genuine man from captaincy, Sarfraz Ahmed.

His T20I series captaincy record looked like this:
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L (just an one-off vs England)
L (he was the top-scorer for Pakistan)

His last 10 ODIs as captain:
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W

Sarfraz Ahmed being removed from captain is one the biggest injustices in Pakistan cricket. Removed just a good captain and replaced him with a timid, soft, unconfident, loosing player.

Misbah-ul-Haq was made chief selector & head coach dictator, just 1 month before Sarfraz was sacked as captain from all formats on October 18, 2019. Coincidence? I think not. This is the Black Day of Pakistan Cricket.



Now we have a captain who selects his doosto-yaaron and the whole board reeks of nepotism. I could call out names after names, but I don't want to. This is such a shameless team that will persist with the same failures and losers again and again. Pakistan is going to crash out of the World Cup after this massive loss to India. They didn't even have enough skillset to save the RR, shows how pathetic this team is. This looser team that isn't going to win any trophies, let alone any good bilateral series. That's why I've decided to boycott this team until the necessary changes are made.
 
This was complete mental crumbling under hostile attack and hostile intimidating crowd.
No captain could have saved pakistan here. Middle order just couldn't handle the pressure of the scenario.
 
I've been thinking about boycotting Pakistan cricket team. They have absolutely pathetic and the PCB is absolutely corrupt & ridiculous.

We have a toothless captain that crumbles in the slightest bit of pressure, that is, no one other than, Babar Azam. A useless player like this does not merit a place in the XI. A few centuries against Zimbabwe, Nepal, Sri Lanka, West Indies, etc. and we made him the commander of the team for all formats.

We removed an amazing smart charismatic nice-hearted genuine man from captaincy, Sarfraz Ahmed.

His T20I series captaincy record looked like this:
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L (just an one-off vs England)
L (he was the top-scorer for Pakistan)

His last 10 ODIs as captain:
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W

Sarfraz Ahmed being removed from captain is one the biggest injustices in Pakistan cricket. Removed just a good captain and replaced him with a timid, soft, unconfident, loosing player.

Misbah-ul-Haq was made chief selector & head coach dictator, just 1 month before Sarfraz was sacked as captain from all formats on October 18, 2019. Coincidence? I think not. This is the Black Day of Pakistan Cricket.



Now we have a captain who selects his doosto-yaaron and the whole board reeks of nepotism. I could call out names after names, but I don't want to. This is such a shameless team that will persist with the same failures and losers again and again. Pakistan is going to crash out of the World Cup after this massive loss to India. They didn't even have enough skillset to save the RR, shows how pathetic this team is. This looser team that isn't going to win any trophies, let alone any good bilateral series. That's why I've decided to boycott this team until the necessary changes are made.
Sure go ahead boycott nobody cares about what you think
 
Glad I decided to go to the Palestine solidarity protest in my city rather than watching this farcical performance. I suggest to no longer be invested in this team emotionally.
 
People don't understand when they use the whole sarfi ran the team into the ground in 2018 excuse.

Truth is in 2018, sarfi was doing the same things that NZ 2nd string does aka lose series but groom new players. We would have reached 2019 Semi's just once in a blue moon collapse against west indies prevented that.

In 2018 shaheen was being groomed and was class in 2019. Alot of has beenbowlers like usman Khan shinwari, junaid Khan were being removed and imam ul haq and abid Ali were also being tested as the new openers for azhar and ahemed shehzad was being kicked out.

We were in a trasnition stage. Rather then looking at the loss record. Look at how many players were groomed during that period which btw does include rizzu (Everyone's favourite buddy) who was rightfully dropped for 2019 but still under managmwnts plans.

Under sarfraz a prime in form fakhar was groomed as our opener, Imam was 100x the player he was in 2018 because he had intent and would also play that coming down the wicket fir a 6 shot, he has regressed now lo.

We also shifted to batting babar at no 3 in all formats and cultivated babar.

Rizzu was being cultivated and even kamran akmal was given a go at opening again but it didn't work.

Shaheen was cultivated and groomed, Amir made a dream comeback, imad waseem had a dream run for a while.

Basically our openers, babar at 3, Rizzu, shaheen, imad waseem, hafeez at 4, Amir, haris sohail etc etc

^^ All these guys are basically sarfi's doing. Since before sarfi came fakhar batted at 4 for a while and was a failure and hafeez was persisted with at the top, babar use to bat at like 4 to 6 lol.

Only mistake sarfraz made was hoping asif Ali would come good and slotting Jim at 7

Since babar came no one has been tried lol, nothing has happened and we're playing with useless junks.

Only time the team did any changes was under misbah's coaching and that did 100x more harm then good with haider Ali, Kushdil Shah running around and fakhar dropping to non3 lol
 
basically op is a sarfraz fan and is still stuck in 2019
Sarfraz's biggest fault was regressing as a player and himself not meritong a place in the team.due to performance.

His captaincy however is leaps >>>> Babar. We chose the wrong captain lol, best person to lead would have been either rizwan since misbah was supporting him as frontline or someone completly brand new and unknown like shaheen who just made it and was in Red hot form
 
Sure Babar is an unimaginative uninspiring, clueless captain but changing him won’t resolve the challenges Pakistan cricket is facing. Pakistan cricket team has a systemic & structural challenges that needs to be identified and resolved. Pakistan had four-years to prepare for this World Cup and they didn’t.

Like everything else in the country, there is no seriousness and cronyism and nepotism dictates how things are done.

At the end of the day, the team is a reflection of the country and from that perspective, its abject performance shouldn’t surprise anyone.
 
I've been thinking about boycotting Pakistan cricket team. They have absolutely pathetic and the PCB is absolutely corrupt & ridiculous.

We have a toothless captain that crumbles in the slightest bit of pressure, that is, no one other than, Babar Azam. A useless player like this does not merit a place in the XI. A few centuries against Zimbabwe, Nepal, Sri Lanka, West Indies, etc. and we made him the commander of the team for all formats.

We removed an amazing smart charismatic nice-hearted genuine man from captaincy, Sarfraz Ahmed.

His T20I series captaincy record looked like this:
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L (just an one-off vs England)
L (he was the top-scorer for Pakistan)

His last 10 ODIs as captain:
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W

Sarfraz Ahmed being removed from captain is one the biggest injustices in Pakistan cricket. Removed just a good captain and replaced him with a timid, soft, unconfident, loosing player.

Misbah-ul-Haq was made chief selector & head coach dictator, just 1 month before Sarfraz was sacked as captain from all formats on October 18, 2019. Coincidence? I think not. This is the Black Day of Pakistan Cricket.



Now we have a captain who selects his doosto-yaaron and the whole board reeks of nepotism. I could call out names after names, but I don't want to. This is such a shameless team that will persist with the same failures and losers again and again. Pakistan is going to crash out of the World Cup after this massive loss to India. They didn't even have enough skillset to save the RR, shows how pathetic this team is. This looser team that isn't going to win any trophies, let alone any good bilateral series. That's why I've decided to boycott this team until the necessary changes are made.
Well a step in the right direction would be to actively log out of PakPassion instead of opening a thread about it.
 
It wasn't our captain's fault that we lose 8 wickets for 36 runs in today's match. Babar surely isn't the best captain in world cricket but he must be given a long run to prove himself as a captain. We may see him removed from the captaincy after the World Cup.
 
While Sarfaraz was a great captain his own keeping/batting did not justify a spot in the side. Cannot carry a non-performing captain.
 
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its not like you support the team, do us all a favor and do your boycott
Yea. Thanks captain obvious. Of course, I don’t support the team. We have a joke of a captain. A complete joke at the helm. All talk, no action.

basically op is a sarfraz fan and is still stuck in 2019
Who wouldn’t be?

In 2017, we won our only 3rd ICC trophy. We were winning T20I series after series. We had so many young talented players doing well.

We performed in the 2019 World Cup. We just couldn’t qualify for that SF spot due to our NRR being short 10-20 runs.

Sarfraz was a man of class and honor for Pakistan.

You have to agree, Babar wasn’t going to win us the CT17 Final against India.

People don't understand when they use the whole sarfi ran the team into the ground in 2018 excuse.

Truth is in 2018, sarfi was doing the same things that NZ 2nd string does aka lose series but groom new players. We would have reached 2019 Semi's just once in a blue moon collapse against west indies prevented that.

In 2018 shaheen was being groomed and was class in 2019. Alot of has beenbowlers like usman Khan shinwari, junaid Khan were being removed and imam ul haq and abid Ali were also being tested as the new openers for azhar and ahemed shehzad was being kicked out.

We were in a trasnition stage. Rather then looking at the loss record. Look at how many players were groomed during that period which btw does include rizzu (Everyone's favourite buddy) who was rightfully dropped for 2019 but still under managmwnts plans.

Under sarfraz a prime in form fakhar was groomed as our opener, Imam was 100x the player he was in 2018 because he had intent and would also play that coming down the wicket fir a 6 shot, he has regressed now lo.

We also shifted to batting babar at no 3 in all formats and cultivated babar.

Rizzu was being cultivated and even kamran akmal was given a go at opening again but it didn't work.

Shaheen was cultivated and groomed, Amir made a dream comeback, imad waseem had a dream run for a while.

Basically our openers, babar at 3, Rizzu, shaheen, imad waseem, hafeez at 4, Amir, haris sohail etc etc

^^ All these guys are basically sarfi's doing. Since before sarfi came fakhar batted at 4 for a while and was a failure and hafeez was persisted with at the top, babar use to bat at like 4 to 6 lol.

Only mistake sarfraz made was hoping asif Ali would come good and slotting Jim at 7

Since babar came no one has been tried lol, nothing has happened and we're playing with useless junks.

Only time the team did any changes was under misbah's coaching and that did 100x more harm then good with haider Ali, Kushdil Shah running around and fakhar dropping to non3 lol

Sarfraz’s performance wasn’t even that bad in the last series before he got sacked. Like mentioned, he was the top scorer for Pakistan in the T20I series vs Sri Lanka.

Everyone else was a utter failure.

my favourite player is not playing so i am gonna boycott the team by talking smack about it. I will make a thread about it for attenton seeking..

op/

I call out what’s wrong and speak the truth. What’s wrong with that?

Its just a game. Relax.
Lets back the team to bounce back.

Pakistan ain’t bouncing back with this man leading her team.

I do have some hope in Fakhar coming back, ignoring captain & all coaching staff, playing a screamer like a lone wolf.

Sure Babar is an unimaginative uninspiring, clueless captain but changing him won’t resolve the challenges Pakistan cricket is facing. Pakistan cricket team has a systemic & structural challenges that needs to be identified and resolved. Pakistan had four-years to prepare for this World Cup and they didn’t.

Like everything else in the country, there is no seriousness and cronyism and nepotism dictates how things are done.

At the end of the day, the team is a reflection of the country and from that perspective, its abject performance shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Babar is the biggest problem right now. Changing him will have some affect, albeit it immediately would be little. You have to understand captains are architects of the playing XI. When Sarfraz was captain, he was a genius calculated chalak player who had a good presence of mind. He would make bold steps in debuting players, swapping players, rotating players. Making fielding decisions and changing bowlers.

Babar sticks to one formula. Selecting his buddies and keeping the same XI for each match. If someone gets injured, get the next buddy in.
 
In 2009, under Younis Khan we won World T20 2009, does that mean you bring him back in 2022?
 
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Pakistan is Still quality team if they are selected right Player.
Everyone know that Shadab is bowling very very poor still he is playing game after game .
Pakistan should have selected Imad Wasim or abrar Ahmed instead of Shadab Khan.
Imam is only scored against Minnows so I think he also need to be dropped and open with Rizwan and Abdullah
Abdullah
Rizwan
Babar
Saud
Fakhar ( he can play that role as he is good against spinners)
Iftikhar
This should Pakistan batting line up
 
Even the best bowler they had Shaheen Afridi is finished in matter of a year he’s become a 90’s oh trundler
 
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Captaincy is not the issue its the players who are dirt rubbish give Babar this Indian lineup and I bet he will win the WC
really? the fact that shadab is bowling full tosses since Asia Cup is good captaincy?The fact that Nawaz doesnt spin a single delivery is good captaincy?

The fact that Iftikhar doesnt get more than 4 overs even though other spinners bowl more badly is good captaincy?

His captaincy is pathetic. He is just another Tendulkar when it comes to captaincy. He doesnt quit and wants to keep the job, and than expect not to be critisizied.
 
really? the fact that shadab is bowling full tosses since Asia Cup is good captaincy?The fact that Nawaz doesnt spin a single delivery is good captaincy?

The fact that Iftikhar doesnt get more than 4 overs even though other spinners bowl more badly is good captaincy?

His captaincy is pathetic. He is just another Tendulkar when it comes to captaincy. He doesnt quit and wants to keep the job, and than expect not to be critisizied.
Shahab bowling fultosses and Nawaz not spinning is Babar's fault guess what Ponting was a great captain because Shane Warne bowled yorkers insane
 
It happened to me, and it definitely hurt. No worries; you'll come back and start supporting your team.
 
While Sarfaraz was a great captain his own keeping/batting did not justify a spot in the side. Cannot carry a non-performing captain.


However, to replace him with an incompetent fool like Babar is the biggest facepalm in our history. An average joe of the street could have been a better captain than Babar. It is not a one-off incident either, Pakistan had their worst ever run in an u19 WC under Babar. Check the performance of Peshawar Zalmi under his captaincy.

On top of that he is insistent on selecting his friends.

I think saying that Sarfraz was a great captain is simply unjust. He was a tremendous, exceptional, magnificent captain. He was one of the only worthy players in Pakistan cricket history to righteously & deservedly have the honors of the job of captaincy.

He was such a breathe of fresh air from the toxic former skippers:
Misbah, Afridi, Shoaib, Younis, Hafeez.

Also, what matters more? Does team performance matter more or individual performance? I haven’t done the number crunching, but even Sarfraz’s supposed “un-performance” was miles ahead of what our current top-order & middle-order batsmen are producing today.
 
Shahab bowling fultosses and Nawaz not spinning is Babar's fault guess what Ponting was a great captain because Shane Warne bowled yorkers insane
you dont understand the point cause maybe you a babr fan.

BABAR HAS THE DECISION TO NOT PLAY SHADAB AND PLAY USAMA MIR.

My 7 year old cousin can tell you that in the next match, Shadab will bowl full tosses and Nawaz cant spin the ball. You know how he will tell you? Cause since the Asia Cup we have seen the same thing. So when a player is not doing what he is suppose to do than why not bother to select the guy in the squad? If such basic things cant be done that shows how bad of a captain you are.
 
you dont understand the point cause maybe you a babr fan.

BABAR HAS THE DECISION TO NOT PLAY SHADAB AND PLAY USAMA MIR.

My 7 year old cousin can tell you that in the next match, Shadab will bowl full tosses and Nawaz cant spin the ball. You know how he will tell you? Cause since the Asia Cup we have seen the same thing. So when a player is not doing what he is suppose to do than why not bother to select the guy in the squad? If such basic things cant be done that shows how bad of a captain you are.
Dropping Shadab and Nawaz not solely rests upon Babar, the lobby and management has a role to play but definitely they have become a liability
 
Dropping Shadab and Nawaz not solely rests upon Babar, the lobby and management has a role to play but definitely they have become a liability
it rest upon Babar because he is the captain.

team management doesnt decide playing 11 anymore.
 
This was never the Pakistan team I loved

This team doesn’t play for the crest on the shirt. They play for their names on the ICC rankings
 
To the OP, please ignore your fellow Pakistani fans.

On a very serious note, I will tell you that if the system is there things will fall in line and you will have better days to see.

I remember as a kid when I saw Bharat dismissed for 54 in a tournament final vs Lankans chasing 300 something in 2000, I was so upset that I too thought of never ever watching cricket. I am imagining you are also 10 something like I was back then.

But then in a few months time, someone broke the news to me that two Bharatiya batters kept on batting during the the entire day in a test match vs Aussies (at that time an unbeatable team) while following on.
Those two batters were Radul Dravid and VVS Laxman. We went on tk win that test and it is arguably the greatest test match come back ever. So yeah, life changes .
 
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Pakistan ran into a box office bowling unit. People keep ignoring the fact Indian bowling has reecntly bundled out so many better teams cheaply NOt just SL for 51 and 73. Also teams like SA, Australia, NZ even with second string bowling without Bumrah. They just have to look at the next match. Just look at this match. This is ENgland's full strength side getting trounced.

 
I'm also boycotting them too, in the way: After 2015, 2019 and 2023 I am not going to be hyped for an India - Pak ODI again.

It's up to Pakistan to prove me wrong.
 
I think saying that Sarfraz was a great captain is simply unjust. He was a tremendous, exceptional, magnificent captain. He was one of the only worthy players in Pakistan cricket history to righteously & deservedly have the honors of the job of captaincy.

He was such a breathe of fresh air from the toxic former skippers:
Misbah, Afridi, Shoaib, Younis, Hafeez.

Also, what matters more? Does team performance matter more or individual performance? I haven’t done the number crunching, but even Sarfraz’s supposed “un-performance” was miles ahead of what our current top-order & middle-order batsmen are producing today.
Leader performance matters always
 
So the first 3 matches of the WC don’t matter?

You’re saying if he scores some soft runs in dead rubber matches at the end, he’s a good performing leader?
We won 2 matches out of 3

I'm sure he will be better than yawning wicketkeeper we had
 
We won 2 matches out of 3

I'm sure he will be better than yawning wicketkeeper we had
Against who Netherlands? Sri Lanka?

You gotta remember, there’s no more minnows left. Babar would have trouble winning against Afghanistan. Let alone; Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, England.

That WK you call “yawning” would run circles around your “king”.
 
We won 2 matches out of 3

I'm sure he will be better than yawning wicketkeeper we had
Tough matches ahead. Babar isn’t going to be able to hide behind victories against third class teams like the Netherlands.
 
It wasn't our captain's fault that we lose 8 wickets for 36 runs in today's match. Babar surely isn't the best captain in world cricket but he must be given a long run to prove himself as a captain. We may see him removed from the captaincy after the World Cup.

Babar has been captain since 2019. He has presided over 5 major ICC event failures not to mention the disastrous home season against Australia, England and New Zealand.

By giving him unparalleled captain, we have stunted his growth as a cricketer. Even as a batsman, he has become a selfish accumulator as opposed to the batter who early on in his career batted at a higher strike rate and played for the team.

He is singlehandedly responsible for the dismal state of Pakistan's ODI WC state, he stubbornly stuck with his squad of 15 and the PCB backed him. He has to be held responsible.

He needs to be reminded he is not indispensable and needs to show growth as a player again.
 
We won 2 matches out of 3

I'm sure he will be better than yawning wicketkeeper we had
Winning against the Netherlands is nothing to brag about. It’s simply shameful to not win against them. Just a food for thought.
 
Mate you’re losing your head purely because it’s India.

The World Cup campaign is bigger than the one game against India unlike all these South Asians think.

Pakistan do NOT have the quality to beat India in India. Only South Africa have a chance.
 
Mate you’re losing your head purely because it’s India.

The World Cup campaign is bigger than the one game against India unlike all these South Asians think.

Pakistan do NOT have the quality to beat India in India. Only South Africa have a chance.
I’ve seen enough from this captain. It runs deep and it’s utterly pathetic. You need to read the OP with more thought. It’s not specific to India at all.
 

@Major, watch this video. Tell me what do you think. If you don’t have pain or sadness in your dil afterwards then you are heartless.

Sarfraz captaincy has so many good memories. He gave chances to so many youngsters & succeeded with them.The ‘17-‘19 era was a remarkable shift away from Afridi, Shehzad, Kamran, Umar, Shan, Shafiq, etc. and kicked all of them out. That’s why so many senior players are mad about Sarfraz.

Imagine the type of team that would be playing right now if there was no Sarfraz captaincy. We’d likely see this team playing our ODI today:

1. Ahmed Shehzad
2. Imam-ul-Haq
3. Babar Azam (c)
4. Shan Masood
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Iftikhar Ahmed
7. Umar Akmal (wk)
8. Mohammed Hafeez
9. Mohammed Wasim
10. Wahab Riaz
11. Yasir Shah
 
Pakistan will continue to be a very good T20 team. The only reason they could compete with India and even beat us in last few years was bcoz we were playing only T20s. I have said this before but longer the format of the game, India will win one sided. Most of Pakistani players are T20 players, especially their bowlers. In ODIs and test cricket, they will be found out. Come enxt T20 world cup, Pakistan will be a force again and will start as favourite against India
 
I've been thinking about boycotting Pakistan cricket team. They have absolutely pathetic and the PCB is absolutely corrupt & ridiculous.

We have a toothless captain that crumbles in the slightest bit of pressure, that is, no one other than, Babar Azam. A useless player like this does not merit a place in the XI. A few centuries against Zimbabwe, Nepal, Sri Lanka, West Indies, etc. and we made him the commander of the team for all formats.

We removed an amazing smart charismatic nice-hearted genuine man from captaincy, Sarfraz Ahmed.

His T20I series captaincy record looked like this:
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L (just an one-off vs England)
L (he was the top-scorer for Pakistan)

His last 10 ODIs as captain:
L
W
L
L
W
W
W
W
W
W

Sarfraz Ahmed being removed from captain is one the biggest injustices in Pakistan cricket. Removed just a good captain and replaced him with a timid, soft, unconfident, loosing player.

Misbah-ul-Haq was made chief selector & head coach dictator, just 1 month before Sarfraz was sacked as captain from all formats on October 18, 2019. Coincidence? I think not. This is the Black Day of Pakistan Cricket.



Now we have a captain who selects his doosto-yaaron and the whole board reeks of nepotism. I could call out names after names, but I don't want to. This is such a shameless team that will persist with the same failures and losers again and again. Pakistan is going to crash out of the World Cup after this massive loss to India. They didn't even have enough skillset to save the RR, shows how pathetic this team is. This looser team that isn't going to win any trophies, let alone any good bilateral series. That's why I've decided to boycott this team until the necessary changes are made.
Well start today. We will stay with them, through thick and thin. We know they are average. Nothing we saw today is different from most of the last 20 years against Ind. We froze under pressure, and the lack of talent is scary. But no matter what, as long as they are honest triers, which they are, then I won't stop supporting them. If however, I feel the matches are fixed or some players are fixing, then just like the unforgiven 3, I won't ever forgive
 
It wasn't our captain's fault that we lose 8 wickets for 36 runs in today's match. Babar surely isn't the best captain in world cricket but he must be given a long run to prove himself as a captain. We may see him removed from the captaincy after the World Cup.
It was his fault actually. He was timid and failed to convert his start into a big innings. He exposed the lower order to pressure and they capitulated. He was supposed to bat for another 10 overs atleast.
 
Pakistan will continue to be a very good T20 team. The only reason they could compete with India and even beat us in last few years was bcoz we were playing only T20s. I have said this before but longer the format of the game, India will win one sided. Most of Pakistani players are T20 players, especially their bowlers. In ODIs and test cricket, they will be found out. Come enxt T20 world cup, Pakistan will be a force again and will start as favourite against India
This is not entirely wrong. But I think current form matters a lot.
Most of Indian team is in form. Kuldeep, Siraj, Bumrah, Rahul, Rohit, Kohli, Jadeja almost everyone is in form right now.
Most of Pakistani team is not in form. Babar, Fakhar, Imam, Rauf, Shaheen, Shadab are better ODI players than what they’ve shown. They may not be GOAT or world beaters but they’re punching below their weight.
 
Boycott is weird, you're not exactly boycotting a Multi million dollar industry lol 😂😂. Not supporting is the better word.

People over here who have called me a rizwan/ Babar hater need to realise that I don't support Pakistan.

I already told everyone NZ is my jam this tournament and that NZ, SA, ENG AND INDIA will be the Semi finalists.

I don't hate rizzu, Babar or imam or any of that. I just know Pakistan won't win the World Cup and that has nothing to do with me not being a supporter.

The team is stuck in the 1970's, on top of that everyone plays for averages and dosti yari rather then merit and adopting to modern standards.

Theirs also zero grooming. In 5 years fakhar and imam haven't moved with only shan being tested and that too via nepotism lol. As kuldeep said, Pakistan was the only team that didn't attack him so he just bowled normally unlike other teams where he had to keep changing line and length and trying something new.

New players can't be groomed and become world class unless you give them a proper run in all formats and even then, these players won't improve if the mindset isn't to attack and play for the team but rather focus on averages, milestones and being babar's twitter buddy.

It's why imam doesn't do anything to improve, any idiot can nudge and risk free avg stat pad against weaker teams.

Mindset + lack of grooming + Management.

^^ Once these 3 are fixed I will support Pakistan 100%, heck I'll even come and worship them and you'll see me become the biggest Babar supporter on the planet.

It's not like babar doesn't have the talent to hit, the guy has hit 49 ball tons before and use to be 100× more aggressive in early days. Its the whole slowing down for milestones and just not attacking with intent that's costly. And imam isn't any different.

Only player who breaks this mould is saud who is untested and rizwan. But rizzu still has a Crybaby I wanna be no 4 personality that annoys me.

He may be an unselfish bat, but he's still a problem when it comes to never stepping down to accommodate people better then he is. Rizzu was a garbo bat when he made his debut, same way rohit and Sachin were garbo bats. It takes time to groom, and the reality is, anyone if given an extremely long run at no 4 like rizzu has, they'd surpass him.

Rizwan being the best batsmen of Pakistan isn't an accomplishment if he's competing with saud and Abdullah who are 2 untested newbies and will surpass rizzu if given the golden boy treatment and imam and Babar who are stat paddlers and one can't play spin for the life of him.

Fakhar was the only one > Rizzu but the whole shoving him down at no 3 in t20 and Management being extremely harsh and scolding towards him has caused him to regress.

We needed to groom players like fakhar, Saim etc, not shove fakhar down at 3 in t20 and not even incorporate him into the test squad where fakhar would improve as a player.

Enough with this one format only nonsense
 
You shouldn't need others' opinion to boycott the team or not, that's your internal decision. If you want to make a thread criticising the team, captain, friendship squad, etc. then name the thread accordingly.
 
It’s funny how people get triggered over a former player & great captain of our team.

It’s pathetic and sad how horrific these haters have become. I’ll always stand up for HAQ (The Truth)! I will always condemn FASAD (The Corruption) of our flawed country!

If you don’t agree with me — fine, then debate!

If you don’t agree with me & make cheap childish comments — seethe & cope!
 
It’s funny how people get triggered over a former player & great captain of our team.

It’s pathetic and sad how horrific these haters have become. I’ll always stand up for HAQ (The Truth)! I will always condemn FASAD (The Corruption) of our flawed country!

If you don’t agree with me — fine, then debate!

If you don’t agree with me & make cheap childish comments — seethe & cope!
For sure was a great captain got an embarrassing whitewash against SL in UAE and by NZ
Was rightly booted out of team and will be soon out of test team too
 
For sure was a great captain got an embarrassing whitewash against SL in UAE and by NZ
Was rightly booted out of team and will be soon out of test team too

He literally ended up beating England and NZ on home in world cup 2019.

The defeat was the same as NZ 4-1 defeat to us.

You all people love babar for his c string domination but then complain when he loses to 1st string amd gets exposed lol.

We lost series because we were experimenting same way nz was experimenting.

Sarfi in 2018 was trying out new players. Rizzu was one of them and didn't perform lol, Babar was in the team at 3, why not blame him for not performing lol?

Kamran akmal was also brought into the side but booted cause he didn't perform but sarfi selected kamram based of psl performance cause he was a merit captain and not a dosti yaari captain lol.

In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings.

He also tried plenty of new players and shaheen ended up being a super star find along with haris Rauf.

Any one who actually watched properly knows that sarfi led extremely well and achieved more them Bobby and misbah could. He showed up in tournaments and in series went fro 2nd string attacks lol.

But you're obviously caring about front on statistics. 2019 wc was good, we would have reached semi final but west indies pulled a once in a blue moon blinder against us.
 
@ArabKnight

Can you please enlighten us why Pakistan played like a minnow in ODIs under Sarfraz from January 2018 through to the World Cup?

- Pakistan lost 5-0 in New Zealand in January 2018

- The Asia Cup 2018 was a humiliation for the ages. Pakistan got thrashed by India twice, lost to Bangladesh and beat Afghanistan in the last over.

All this happened after Sarfraz told the media before the tournament that India was scared of playing Pakistan.

The 5-0 in New Zealand + the defeats to India and Bangladesh meant that Pakistan lost 8 consecutive ODIs against the top 7 ranked teams.

- Prior to the 2019 World Cup, Pakistan had the best possible preparation - a 5 match ODI series vs England in England. It was a complete luxury for Pakistan - a luxury they did not deserve.

If India were scheduled to play England in England immediately before the World Cup, our fans would be crying about how BCCI flexed its muscles to give India unfair advantage.

Pakistan lost the 5 match series 4-0, escaping with a N/R in one of the matches thanks to rain.

- in spite of having the best possible prep along all teams, Pakistan got bundled for 103 in the opener against WI that completely nuked Pakistan’s NRR.

- to compensate for that mauling, Pakistan had to win at least 2 of its 3 matches against the three best sides (England, India and Australia) but Pakistan could only win 1.

- They also scraped to wins against Afghanistan which meant the NRR remained negative. Ultimately, Pakistan finished 5 and had the third worst NRR among all teams. If Sarfraz was that good a captain, Pakistan would have had a positive NRR and qualified for the semifinals.

- Please don’t use the washout against Sri Lanka as an excuse. There is no guarantee that Pakistan would have won that match. India vs New Zealand was also a washout and considering the fact that India beat New Zealand twice (warmup and semifinal), there is a strong chance that they would have beaten India in the group match too.

Besides, if Pakistan and Sri Lanka could beat England, if Bangladesh could beat South Africa, if West Indies could bundle Pakistan for 103 and chase the total in 13 overs and if Afghanistan could stretch Pakistan and India to the last ball, then Pakistan could also have lost to Sri Lanka.

All in all, in the matches that were actually played, Pakistan did not merit a place in the semifinal and surely if Sarfraz was that good a captain, he would have inspired the team.

Sarfraz apologists want to revise history or forget the embarrassing period in ODI cricket (and also Test cricket for that matter) in 2018-19 but I always make sure to give them timely reminders so that they can wake up from their romance.
 
He literally ended up beating England and NZ on home in world cup 2019.

The defeat was the same as NZ 4-1 defeat to us.

You all people love babar for his c string domination but then complain when he loses to 1st string amd gets exposed lol.

We lost series because we were experimenting same way nz was experimenting.

Sarfi in 2018 was trying out new players. Rizzu was one of them and didn't perform lol, Babar was in the team at 3, why not blame him for not performing lol?

Kamran akmal was also brought into the side but booted cause he didn't perform but sarfi selected kamram based of psl performance cause he was a merit captain and not a dosti yaari captain lol.

In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings.

He also tried plenty of new players and shaheen ended up being a super star find along with haris Rauf.

Any one who actually watched properly knows that sarfi led extremely well and achieved more them Bobby and misbah could. He showed up in tournaments and in series went fro 2nd string attacks lol.

But you're obviously caring about front on statistics. 2019 wc was good, we would have reached semi final but west indies pulled a once in a blue moon blinder against us.
This is really just a divergence of history man.

If your really gonna use beating the world cup finalists as some metric for what a great captain Sarfraz was than by that logica Asghar Afghan is a great captain for beating West Indies in the 2016 world cup or Andrew Balbirine is a great captain for beating England in the 22 world cup.

Winning one or two games does not matter. What does matter is the fact that we failed to make it into the semi's of that world cup and were humiliated thrice vs Australia, India and West Indies

Now your saying we lost 4-1 to England because we were experimenting however if you look at the teams we played then and compare them to our world cup teams you won't see a whole lot of difference. The top order was the same, Sarfraz was their, Hafeez was their, Malik was their, Shaheen was their and Wahab was their
Sarfi in 2018 was trying out new players. Rizzu was one of them and didn't perform
That is the complete opposite of the truth. When Sarfraz decided to "rest" and Rizwan was called up, he scored 2 100s in that series (in 5 games he scored the same number of 100s Sarfraz did in his whole career) and what did was a rewarded with? Nothing, just dropped because someone was too insecure

Not a fan of Kamran but he was only given four games and that is not enough to write off anyone, especially with his form in early PSL

"In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings"

Again when did this happen. Abid was played alongside Imam in the Australia series and to his credit he was brilliant but once again did not get selected for the world cup. Really does show that dosti yaari was present under his captaincy too.

The heart attack point also makes no sense, that happened in 2021, well after Sarfraz was thrown out as captain

"He also tried plenty of new players and shaheen ended up being a super star find along with haris Rauf."

Rauf made his debut in 2020 under Babar's captaincy

Any one who actually watched properly knows that sarfi led extremely well and achieved more them Bobby and misbah could. He showed up in tournaments and in series went fro 2nd string attacks lol.

Not really. Babar may have been a poor captain however he is yet to close a T20 series 3-0 to Sri Lanka, he and Misbah both won an ODI series vs South Africa, Misbah never lost a series in the UAE whereas Sarfraz lost twice, Sarfraz also never won an ODI series vs Australia which Babar has done.

Let's also remember that Misbah is a 2x PSL winner whereas Sarfraz has failed since 2019 to get his team into even the play off's of the PSL

Sarfraz's entire legacy is based of an U19 world cup win, something which even Bangladesh has pulled off and a Champions trophy win which even West Indies and New Zealand pulled off in 2004 and 2000 respectively, yet I don't see anyone gloat about how great a captain Stephen Flemming was.

The fact is Sarfraz was one of the worst captain to lead Pakistan, destroying our home fortress of UAE, conceding consecutive white washes vs NZ, Aus and England. His only one achievement, a number T20 team vs based off wins vs B/C teams and when faced with actual A teams, he would crumble
 
Shahab bowling fultosses and Nawaz not spinning is Babar's fault guess what Ponting was a great captain because Shane Warne bowled yorkers insane
It’s the fact that he doesn’t drop them ? Or the fact he keeps seeing something in them which no one else does , Shadab is t20 player at best. He got into the national team based on his debut psl which was played on rank turners . He didn’t have a solid merit to enter the team ahead of domestic spinners putting in the performances of the years.
 
This is really just a divergence of history man.

If your really gonna use beating the world cup finalists as some metric for what a great captain Sarfraz was than by that logica Asghar Afghan is a great captain for beating West Indies in the 2016 world cup or Andrew Balbirine is a great captain for beating England in the 22 world cup.

Winning one or two games does not matter. What does matter is the fact that we failed to make it into the semi's of that world cup and were humiliated thrice vs Australia, India and West Indies

Now your saying we lost 4-1 to England because we were experimenting however if you look at the teams we played then and compare them to our world cup teams you won't see a whole lot of difference. The top order was the same, Sarfraz was their, Hafeez was their, Malik was their, Shaheen was their and Wahab was their

That is the complete opposite of the truth. When Sarfraz decided to "rest" and Rizwan was called up, he scored 2 100s in that series (in 5 games he scored the same number of 100s Sarfraz did in his whole career) and what did was a rewarded with? Nothing, just dropped because someone was too insecure

Not a fan of Kamran but he was only given four games and that is not enough to write off anyone, especially with his form in early PSL

"In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings"

Again when did this happen. Abid was played alongside Imam in the Australia series and to his credit he was brilliant but once again did not get selected for the world cup. Really does show that dosti yaari was present under his captaincy too.

The heart attack point also makes no sense, that happened in 2021, well after Sarfraz was thrown out as captain

"He also tried plenty of new players and shaheen ended up being a super star find along with haris Rauf."

Rauf made his debut in 2020 under Babar's captaincy

Any one who actually watched properly knows that sarfi led extremely well and achieved more them Bobby and misbah could. He showed up in tournaments and in series went fro 2nd string attacks lol.

Not really. Babar may have been a poor captain however he is yet to close a T20 series 3-0 to Sri Lanka, he and Misbah both won an ODI series vs South Africa, Misbah never lost a series in the UAE whereas Sarfraz lost twice, Sarfraz also never won an ODI series vs Australia which Babar has done.

Let's also remember that Misbah is a 2x PSL winner whereas Sarfraz has failed since 2019 to get his team into even the play off's of the PSL

Sarfraz's entire legacy is based of an U19 world cup win, something which even Bangladesh has pulled off and a Champions trophy win which even West Indies and New Zealand pulled off in 2004 and 2000 respectively, yet I don't see anyone gloat about how great a captain Stephen Flemming was.

The fact is Sarfraz was one of the worst captain to lead Pakistan, destroying our home fortress of UAE, conceding consecutive white washes vs NZ, Aus and England. His only one achievement, a number T20 team vs based off wins vs B/C teams and when faced with actual A teams, he would crumble
Great post. Excellent analysis of Sarfraz’s captaincy tenure.

There is a lot of revisionism and romanticism these days by Sarfraz fans.

No one can take the CT away from Sarfraz but the nature of the format allows for upsets and flukey wins.

There is a reason why a weak New Zealand and even weaker West Indies won the CT during the golden era of Australian cricket.

Same goes for India and Sri Lanka sharing the trophy in 2002. They were good sides but not even close to Australia.

Peak Australia won only one CT (2006) but won both World Cups (2003 and 2007).

2-3 good games on the trot can win you the CT, it is a very volatile tournament. If Sarfraz was that great a captain he would have made a big impact in the 2019 World Cup and he is also lucky there was no T20 World Cup during his captaincy.

There is no way he would have led Pakistan to glory because he was mainly feasting on B and C sides as teams were neglecting T20s and focusing on ODIs since it was the ODI World Cup season.
 
It’s the fact that he doesn’t drop them ? Or the fact he keeps seeing something in them which no one else does , Shadab is t20 player at best. He got into the national team based on his debut psl which was played on rank turners . He didn’t have a solid merit to enter the team ahead of domestic spinners putting in the performances of the years.


The issue is not Babar or who HE selects to play in the team. the problem is the PCB, the selectors and the management.

These are the people you and others here should be blaming and not the captain.
 
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Pakistan military and all their appointed judges and officials boycotted Pakistan cricket when they put their most famous former player in jail.

Don't waste too much mental effort on these guys, they are all for sale.
 
This is really just a divergence of history man.

If your really gonna use beating the world cup finalists as some metric for what a great captain Sarfraz was than by that logica Asghar Afghan is a great captain for beating West Indies in the 2016 world cup or Andrew Balbirine is a great captain for beating England in the 22 world cup.

Winning one or two games does not matter. What does matter is the fact that we failed to make it into the semi's of that world cup and were humiliated thrice vs Australia, India and West Indies

Now your saying we lost 4-1 to England because we were experimenting however if you look at the teams we played then and compare them to our world cup teams you won't see a whole lot of difference. The top order was the same, Sarfraz was their, Hafeez was their, Malik was their, Shaheen was their and Wahab was their

That is the complete opposite of the truth. When Sarfraz decided to "rest" and Rizwan was called up, he scored 2 100s in that series (in 5 games he scored the same number of 100s Sarfraz did in his whole career) and what did was a rewarded with? Nothing, just dropped because someone was too insecure

Not a fan of Kamran but he was only given four games and that is not enough to write off anyone, especially with his form in early PSL

"In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings"

Again when did this happen. Abid was played alongside Imam in the Australia series and to his credit he was brilliant but once again did not get selected for the world cup. Really does show that dosti yaari was present under his captaincy too.

The heart attack point also makes no sense, that happened in 2021, well after Sarfraz was

This is really just a divergence of history man.

If your really gonna use beating the world cup finalists as some metric for what a great captain Sarfraz was than by that logica Asghar Afghan is a great captain for beating West Indies in the 2016 world cup or Andrew Balbirine is a great captain for beating England in the 22 world cup.

Winning one or two games does not matter. What does matter is the fact that we failed to make it into the semi's of that world cup and were humiliated thrice vs Australia, India and West Indies

Now your saying we lost 4-1 to England because we were experimenting however if you look at the teams we played then and compare them to our world cup teams you won't see a whole lot of difference. The top order was the same, Sarfraz was their, Hafeez was their, Malik was their, Shaheen was their and Wahab was their

That is the complete opposite of the truth. When Sarfraz decided to "rest" and Rizwan was called up, he scored 2 100s in that series (in 5 games he scored the same number of 100s Sarfraz did in his whole career) and what did was a rewarded with? Nothing, just dropped because someone was too insecure

Not a fan of Kamran but he was only given four games and that is not enough to write off anyone, especially with his form in early PSL

"In 2018 he replaced shehzad with Imam and them replaced imam with abid Ali but Ali suffered a heart attack and just wasn't class after his few initial innings"

Again when did this happen. Abid was played alongside Imam in the Australia series and to his credit he was brilliant but once again did not get selected for the world cup. Really does show that dosti yaari was present under his captaincy too.

The heart attack point also makes no sense, that happened in 2021, well after Sarfraz was thrown out as captain

"He also tried plenty of new players and shaheen ended up being a super star find along with haris Rauf."

Rauf made his debut in 2020 under Babar's captaincy

Any one who actually watched properly knows that sarfi led extremely well and achieved more them Bobby and misbah could. He showed up in tournaments and in series went fro 2nd string attacks lol.

Not really. Babar may have been a poor captain however he is yet to close a T20 series 3-0 to Sri Lanka, he and Misbah both won an ODI series vs South Africa, Misbah never lost a series in the UAE whereas Sarfraz lost twice, Sarfraz also never won an ODI series vs Australia which Babar has done.

Let's also remember that Misbah is a 2x PSL winner whereas Sarfraz has failed since 2019 to get his team into even the play off's of the PSL

Sarfraz's entire legacy is based of an U19 world cup win, something which even Bangladesh has pulled off and a Champions trophy win which even West Indies and New Zealand pulled off in 2004 and 2000 respectively, yet I don't see anyone gloat about how great a captain Stephen Flemming was.

The fact is Sarfraz was one of the worst captain to lead Pakistan, destroying our home fortress of UAE, conceding consecutive white washes vs NZ, Aus and England. His only one achievement, a number T20 team vs based off wins vs B/C teams and when faced with actual A teams, he would crumble
Sarfraz's entire legacy is based of an Under 19 win? Did you forget the Ct 2017 trophy existing?

Once babar wins a trophy then we'll talk lol, and a proper trophy that includes SENA. Not like misbah with his Asia cup victory which is pretty much a tri series at this point.
 
Pakistan military and all their appointed judges and officials boycotted Pakistan cricket when they put their most famous former player in jail.

Don't waste too much mental effort on these guys, they are all for sale.

Spot on.
 

Watching the Afghan team right now, they are putting on a great show against England, far more fight than shirt swapping sell outs in other games. Shame Khalistan doesn't have a team I could get behind that as well.
 
Babar may want to select his best mate from school, his uncle, grandfather and the street pan wala.

The issue is not Babar or who HE selects to play in the team. the problem is the PCB, the selectors and the management.

These are the people you and others here should be blaming and not the captain.
Management is a load of tripe i agree , but you can’t say Babar doesn’t have influence in the selections.
 
Sarfraz's entire legacy is based of an Under 19 win? Did you forget the Ct 2017 trophy existing?

Once babar wins a trophy then we'll talk lol, and a proper trophy that includes SENA. Not like misbah with his Asia cup victory which is pretty much a tri series at this point.

Why are you talking about Babar?

Is he a poor captain? In my opinion, yes he is. Does he select his friends over more deserving players? Yes, he probably does.

But you have to apply some logic to this and direct your anger at the right people.
 
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