Time to nail the wicketkeeper problem

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I started watching Pakistan play in the mid-1970s. They had the best wicketkeeper I've ever seen them have - Wasim Bari - but he was a number 10 batsman, just like England's Bob Taylor, who replaced the banned Alan Knott in 1978 and was a better keeper but a much worse batsman.

The thing is, even in the 1970s a team couldn't afford a skilled glovesman who couldn't bat. Pakistan's results entered an upward trajectory when Salim Yousuf replaced Wasim Bari.

Like Kamran Akmal, Yousuf was a terrible keeper who was a brave lower-middle order batsman. Suddenly 250-7 could become 320 all out instead of 265 all out.

Moin Khan was a slightly more refined version of Yousuf. Dodgy keeper, but he could bat.

Then came his near-contemporary Rashid Latif. He was a much better keeper, and while he was less skilled with the bat than Moin he performed better in tough situations because he was fearless.

When they exited the scene they were replaced by Kamran Akmal. He was another lousy glovesman like Yousuf and Moin, but was gutsy and highly capable with the bat, but handicapped by an inability to learn.

It's been downhill since then. His brother Adnan represented a step back towards Wasim Bari. A superior keeper, but to be quite honest he is a number 9 Test batsman, comparable in output to Vernon Philander or Peter Siddle or Graeme Swann.

Sarfraz Ahmed is a giant leap even further towards Wasim Bari and the days of the wicketkeeper batting at number 10. His bloated first-class average cannot disguise the fact that Tanvir Ahmed and Saeed Ajmal are both more reliable Test batters than he is.

The influence of Iqbal Qasim and Mohsin Khan is clear for all to see. Both played alongside Wasim Bari, and neither seems to have noticed that Pakistan's tail has been starting at number 7 since Kamran Akmal's final decline.

It's time for a brave individual like Aamir Sohail to be restored to head the selectors and to clear out the dead wood. Kamran and Adnan Akmal and Sarfraz Ahmed are incapable of averaging 35+ like a modern Test keeper has to. (And yesterday, with Morkel injured and Steyn and Philander over-bowled before the second new ball, a decent keeper-batsman would have won Pakistan the 2nd Test at Cape Town.)

In the last three weeks I've been watching South Africa's current and future keeper closely. AB de Villiers and Quinton de Kock are both mediocre glovesmen but genuine middle-order or top-order batsmen who are there to ensure that 155-5 doesn't become 169 all out. And de Villiers is becoming a better keeper with Test exposure while the selectors have clearly told de Kock that he must improve his keeping in the First Class circuit for a year or two before joining the Test side.

Why can't Pakistan do the same thing? Identify an Under-19 wicketkeeper-batsman and fast-track him so that he plays ODIs and regular domestic First Class cricket and is groomed to be the next wicketkeeper for the Test team in 12-18 months? Of course any Under-19 will be as clumsy as Kamran Akmal. But at that age he can learn, he can develop.

For Kamran, Adnan and Sarfraz it's far too late for them to develop.
 
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Kamran is by far the best option we have with the bat. At the very least he gives me a bit of hope and optimism when I see his goofy teeth striding out at 64 for 5.
 
Good post.

However, are you suggesting that the PCB does some sort of long-term planning in order to improve the team further down the line?

Are you crazy?

:)
 
sometimes i wonder if we should sit down with Umar akmal and say the only way he will get into the side is as a keeper. Do a rahul dravid job till someone else comes along. The fact Mohamamd Rizwan isnt the first choice keeper for his regional side doesnt fill me with confidence
 
sometimes i wonder if we should sit down with Umar akmal and say the only way he will get into the side is as a keeper. Do a rahul dravid job till someone else comes along. The fact Mohamamd Rizwan isnt the first choice keeper for his regional side doesnt fill me with confidence

he is first choice,you are trolled by scorecard ham
 
he is first choice,you are trolled by scorecard ham

silly me then. i have still heard that his keeping isnt solid. only one way to find out though, and i reckon he deserves an odi call up. Hopefully he can play as a genuine bat as well
 
Bismillah Khan is the answer to our problems. In my opinion, wicketkeepers should be forced to open as it will improve theirbatting.
 
There are so many posters here who were dolling for Sarfraz before this test series ( based on his ethnicity).

It is a matter of time before they will come back and make their case again, just like they have been doing for Sami for last 10 years.
 
Can't believe this guy averages 42 in domestic cricket must be the flat karachi roads he bats on.
 
Just imagine, if Sarfraz would have contributed with the bat and added 20 plus runs ( not 50 or 100) in both innings, the match result would have been different.
 
Actually problem is with PCB, not with keeper, there are thousand of way to solve the issue.

our selector they don't look at talent, they judge the keeper from face.
 
This is'nt that much of a problem, that it has turned into. Kamran Akmal and his brothers r like cancer for the team of Pakistan. Pakistan has been suffering since these ppl r always replaced with Sarfraz Ahmed. Why have'nt selectors selecting any other keeper for the last 9 years. This b&%$ is'nt the best thing happen to Pak cricket but still he gets selected only as a one keeper option with a squad that numbers over 15+, why? Till date only one keeper by the name of Zulqurnain Hyder replaced Akmal, although having no techniique in batting still was able to win a match for Pakistan. In the next week, he ran away from the Pak team alleging he was approached by bookie who threatened him which resulted in a real shameful episode. Again Akmal got picked up and then the worst chapter in Pak cricket happened when 2 Pak talents and the captain were used to spit on Pakistan and its culture wth the help of a sports agent of Akmal, Mazhar Majeed.

I heard about Muhammed Salman for the first time in 2004/5 from Rashid Latif, who at that time called Akmal suspicious. After 2012 World Cup ex-players were pleading Kamran Akmal to retire & leave the team for it to improve. Our background with Akmal did'nt win us anything but brought great shame to the country, and if Akmal comes back again i'm fearing sumthing that will again destroy Pak cricket for good. I don't know who gets Akmal in the team but there r definitely forces out their whose interests r joint with Akmal playing in Pak XI.

This keeping issue for the last 7 years is now becuming even more dangerous and Pak cricket's survival depends upon it. If selectors select a keeper apart from Sarfraz Ahmed or Akmals, that will be acknowledged and good 4 Pakistanwhatever that guy's average is on cricinfo, or what Akmal paid agents say on pakpassion. If they can't treat the Akmal cancer than they should b disbanded, if they can't take a decision for Pakistan than they r not required.
 
You guys do realize that Kamran "Gilchrist" Akmal averaged a mighty 1.5 in India on the flattest pitches in the world against a teletubby attack..


Kamran is a cancer against which we can never win..
 
Adnan is the right choice, at least for Tests. It's not true that he's a tailender: I think he averages about 27 and, while does not possess the best technique ever, is gritty with the bat. He can bat capably at #7 or #8.

The best batting WKs in the world currently, IMHO, are MJ Prior (Eng) and HAPW Jayawardena (SL). If you relax the importance of the keeper's batting a little, one could place :adnan up there too.

Adnan >> Sarfraz >>> Kami
 
Pakistan need to make batsmen keep, that is a genuine solution. Keep Adnan for test , keep him out of shorter formats , ask him to work on his batting in free time. He is now averaging 25 - 27 , he can work and get that to 30 - 32 , its fine.

As far as shorter formats is concerned , go for part time keeper who can bat well. Make umar keep or get in Taufiq as keeper. Even yaseer hameed can keep and bat at the top.
 
Wicketkeepers like Gilchrist and Prior had the ability to change the course of the match solely on the basis of their batting. Kami himself has won/saved us from tight spots through his batting skills (Mohali '05, Karachi '06, Port Elizabeth '07).

Hasn't the importance of having a safe pair of gloves behind the stumps been blown out of proportion? You get the odd dropped catch or two from wicketkeeper-batsmen but at least they make up for it with the bat. De Villiers is a decent keeper at best but look at his contribution with the bat!

Our tail has stretched ever since Kamran's batting skill in Tests declined. Adnan isn't a proper batsman by any measure and expecting him to perform often would be overly optimistic on our part.
 
good thread OP. Pakistan should conduct a WK clinic where every current WK of Pakistan (who has not made international debut yet) should be tested for wicket keeping and batting skills (60-70% WK skills and 30-40% batting skills). Then rate 3 best WKs from that clinic; start training them in NCA and make a rule that for international cricket the Pakistan WK has to be one of those 3 WKs.
I think Bismillah Khan and Mohammad Rizwan will be among those 3 WKs.
 
Wicketkeepers are the olny playerers in the fielding team who are required to 'field' for every ball bowled, including receiving the ball when the fielder fields and throws it to the keeper. This makes wicketkeepers prone to getting tired, concentration and dropping chances.

Why not then have 2 specialist batsmen trained to also wicketkeep, who take turns to wicketkeep during a Test match, perhaps by swopping every session. That way they will not get tired and lose concentration. Perhaps even go further by having one who practices keeping to spinners whilst the other one practices keeping to fast bowlers.

Lets face it, even if Pakistan gets a pure wicketkeeper who cannot bat above no 11, he will still be rubbish in comparison to keepers in the other international teams. So having batsmen who take turns to wicketkeep will not be any worse.
 
Wicketkeepers are the olny playerers in the fielding team who are required to 'field' for every ball bowled, including receiving the ball when the fielder fields and throws it to the keeper. This makes wicketkeepers prone to getting tired, concentration and dropping chances.

Why not then have 2 specialist batsmen trained to also wicketkeep, who take turns to wicketkeep during a Test match, perhaps by swopping every session. That way they will not get tired and lose concentration. Perhaps even go further by having one who practices keeping to spinners whilst the other one practices keeping to fast bowlers.

Lets face it, even if Pakistan gets a pure wicketkeeper who cannot bat above no 11, he will still be rubbish in comparison to keepers in the other international teams. So having batsmen who take turns to wicketkeep will not be any worse.

You can't train specialist batsmen in international cricket to keep wickets unless they have already done that before in first class cricket, it will fail miserably in test matches because they will drop catches and give out byes. Wicket keeping is a specialist position for a reason.
 
You can't train specialist batsmen in international cricket to keep wickets unless they have already done that before in first class cricket, it will fail miserably in test matches because they will drop catches and give out byes. Wicket keeping is a specialist position for a reason.
Yes it's a specialist posistion. But had you bothered to understand the post, you will have realised that I more or less stated that Pakistan's 'specilaist wicketkeepers' are not much better at wicketkeeping than a specialist batsman who wicketkeeps occasionally. Umar Akmal, is one such example. There are many others.
 
I agree that sarfraz has failed so far. Need to replace him with a more capable batsman wicket keeper. Try Mohammad Rizwan or give adnan another shot.

Getting Kamran to keep is suicide. Hypothetically even if kamran averaged 50 with the bat that still wouldnt make up for dropped catches. If you give batsmen like kallis, amla, sangakara, cook, etc.. chances then they go on to make double hundreds and they take the match away from you.

Another thing is, when kamran was dropping catches his self esteem was suffering, and it showed in his batting too. But if you take adnan for example, if he had a great day behind the stumps he came through with some gritty innings.
Not to mention it ruins the trust between bowlers and the keeper. Which makes the bowler under pressure and either go defensive or give some loose deliveries. Take Kaneria for example...not saying kaneria wasnt in a downward spiral already, but kamrans dropped catches off of him ruined his confidence even further.

Cricket is a complex game, theres so many factors you have to consider, cant just look at the wicket keepers batting and think kamran is the solution to all of our problems. My question is why did Pak persist with kamran for so long anyways?...
 
& Ghoom phir ker our solution is Kamran Akmal :facepalm:

Kisne kehdia? Read this:
This is'nt that much of a problem, that it has turned into. Kamran Akmal and his brothers r like cancer for the team of Pakistan. Pakistan has been suffering since these ppl r always replaced with Sarfraz Ahmed. Why have'nt selectors selecting any other keeper for the last 9 years. This b&%$ is'nt the best thing happen to Pak cricket but still he gets selected only as a one keeper option with a squad that numbers over 15+, why? Till date only one keeper by the name of Zulqurnain Hyder replaced Akmal, although having no techniique in batting still was able to win a match for Pakistan. In the next week, he ran away from the Pak team alleging he was approached by bookie who threatened him which resulted in a real shameful episode. Again Akmal got picked up and then the worst chapter in Pak cricket happened when 2 Pak talents and the captain were used to spit on Pakistan and its culture wth the help of a sports agent of Akmal, Mazhar Majeed.

I heard about Muhammed Salman for the first time in 2004/5 from Rashid Latif, who at that time called Akmal suspicious. After 2012 World Cup ex-players were pleading Kamran Akmal to retire & leave the team for it to improve. Our background with Akmal did'nt win us anything but brought great shame to the country, and if Akmal comes back again i'm fearing sumthing that will again destroy Pak cricket for good. I don't know who gets Akmal in the team but there r definitely forces out their whose interests r joint with Akmal playing in Pak XI.

This keeping issue for the last 7 years is now becuming even more dangerous and Pak cricket's survival depends upon it. If selectors select a keeper apart from Sarfraz Ahmed or Akmals, that will be acknowledged and good 4 Pakistanwhatever that guy's average is on cricinfo, or what Akmal paid agents say on pakpassion. If they can't treat the Akmal cancer than they should b disbanded, if they can't take a decision for Pakistan than they r not required.

And this:
Getting Kamran to keep is suicide. Hypothetically even if kamran averaged 50 with the bat that still wouldnt make up for dropped catches. If you give batsmen like kallis, amla, sangakara, cook, etc.. chances then they go on to make double hundreds and they take the match away from you.

Another thing is, when kamran was dropping catches his self esteem was suffering, and it showed in his batting too. But if you take adnan for example, if he had a great day behind the stumps he came through with some gritty innings.
Not to mention it ruins the trust between bowlers and the keeper. Which makes the bowler under pressure and either go defensive or give some loose deliveries. Take Kaneria for example...not saying kaneria wasnt in a downward spiral already, but kamrans dropped catches off of him ruined his confidence even further.

Cricket is a complex game, theres so many factors you have to consider, cant just look at the wicket keepers batting and think kamran is the solution to all of our problems. My question is why did Pak persist with kamran for so long anyways?...

There was a political force that made K Akmal keep his place:zardari. I read it in one Dawn blog, published in 2010 when :kami was one of the first to be reinstated in the team following bans on several players, despite :kami being one obvious cause of our downfall in Ausie tour
 
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Adnan has only played on flat Asian pitches. Can't judge much into his batting capabilities. But yes, :sarfaraz has failed and needs to be replaced. One option currently we can exercise is to hand gloves to :bhanja. He kept wickets in the two-day practise match against Cape Kids X1 (following nose injury to :sarfaraz). Though only the captain and coach can decide how well he did there.
 
ali asad is the best wicketkeeper opening
batsman in pakistan right now, he can come
close to adam gilchrist if given chance he can fill
the wicketkeeper and opening batsman spot in
all three formats and he is better than umar
akmal
 
is there anything actually preventing the 'keepers in domestic cricket from performing and making themselves contenders for selection?

this 'fast-track talent' mentality is NOT the answer and never will be.

show us what you got by performing and everything else will take care of itself.

Sarfaraz scored heavily in domestic to be back in contention and got a lucky break, now he's making the most of it.
 
Sarfraz is a better batsman than Adnan. Previously, he had only played in Australia and South Africa. Kamran Akmal is the most overrated batsmen in the world. I don't think he has ever scored a 100 outside of the subcontinent in any format. He is still living off his 100 against India because anytime someone brings up Akmal they mention that knock to testify his great batting talent.
 
ali asad is the best wicketkeeper opening

batsman in pakistan right now, he can come

close to adam gilchrist if given chance he can fill

the wicketkeeper and opening batsman spot in

all three formats and he is better than umar

akmal


Hahahahaha oh god some people on here are deluded if he could get halfway to Gillys level it would make him our greatest wicketkeeper ever
 
pakistan also has 3 choices either play rizwan ahmed who has 40+ average in domestic or ali asad who is technically very sound batsman and also very good keeper or bismillah khan who is equally good with bat and gloves or they need to work on umar akmals keeping but i think ali asad is a better choice as his talent is being wasted he should be groomed and given a regular chance and should be worked on in NCA (national cricket acadmy then what is NCA for , young players should be worked on in NCA
 
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I disagree with opening poster that Latif was a less skilled batsmen than Moin.. Latif was extremely graceful and pleasing to the eye. He had a good technique as well. However I always felt he would give it away and play extremely loose. Moin on the other hand was much more effective in crunch situations. His batting was ungainly however he punched above his weight. If I had to pick one of them, I would go with Moin since he is more likely to bat well under pressure situations.

In response to Ricky G, Kamran did score a century against WI in Brisbane as in opener in 2004-05. He is the only Pakistani opener since Ramiz Raja (1992) to do so. His 50 won us a test match in SA in 2006 when Pakistan was 99-5 while chasing 200. Kamran is a better opener than many other "specialist" openers we have tried, including Sherjeel.
 
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I think Umer akmal is better keeper than all he dropped a half chance in Asia cup final but genuine keepers likes of sarfraz and kamran also dropped dollies.kamran has habit to drop a catch in every second game even sarfraz dropped two dollies in last test match against SL.Adnan better of them but bats like ajmal. So Moin khan should coach Umer to become a test WK.At least we can try him in test against zimb or Bangladesh if it pays off good for Pakistan and if fails nothing to lose. So we should make this gamble :)
 
Pakistan need to invest in making Batsmen Keep in domestic games and then bring them at International level.
 
I disagree with opening poster that Latif was a less skilled batsmen than Moin.. Latif was extremely graceful and pleasing to the eye. He had a good technique as well. However I always felt he would give it away and play extremely loose. Moin on the other hand was much more effective in crunch situations. His batting was ungainly however he punched above his weight. If I had to pick one of them, I would go with Moin since he is more likely to bat well under pressure situations.

In response to Ricky G, Kamran did score a century against WI in Brisbane as in opener in 2004-05. He is the only Pakistani opener since Ramiz Raja (1992) to do so. His 50 won us a test match in SA in 2006 when Pakistan was 99-5 while chasing 200. Kamran is a better opener than many other "specialist" openers we have tried, including Sherjeel.

Keyword. 'was' a better opener. Its like saying Sehwag is better than Rohit Sharma and Shikhar Dhawan. Although you don't see Shewag making a comeback in the world t20 this year.Considering sehwag is an absolute legend for India and kamran on the other hand has made Pakistan a laughing stock of the cricketing world. And yet we still want him back..

kamran once in a blue moon used to perform and was absolute slogger when asked to bat down the innings. Proved his mental toughness and ability to handle pressure in the recent champions trophy, the aanay do series and the worldt20 2012. Nowhere near what he used to and absolute disgrace if he is allowed to comeback in the team in any format
 
I as a pakistani fan would be ashamed if this substandard club level player is allowed anywhere near the first team I.e Kamran Akmal
 
Sarfraz Ahmed has performed well recently with the bat..How picky are we? Its not like we have a Gilchrist lying around and Umar Akmal is strictly a batsman and people need to understand that.
Sarfraz, before these few tests, was a top and very quick/able wicketkeeper. Give him some time and we may have at least a Prassana Jayawardene level player.
 
I disagree with opening poster that Latif was a less skilled batsmen than Moin.. Latif was extremely graceful and pleasing to the eye. He had a good technique as well. However I always felt he would give it away and play extremely loose. Moin on the other hand was much more effective in crunch situations. His batting was ungainly however he punched above his weight. If I had to pick one of them, I would go with Moin since he is more likely to bat well under pressure situations.

In response to Ricky G, Kamran did score a century against WI in Brisbane as in opener in 2004-05. He is the only Pakistani opener since Ramiz Raja (1992) to do so. His 50 won us a test match in SA in 2006 when Pakistan was 99-5 while chasing 200. Kamran is a better opener than many other "specialist" openers we have tried, including Sherjeel.

Ah yes the fearsome Windies bowling attack.

Kamran is the most overrated batsman I've ever seen. In tests, he averages 14.4 in Australia, 12.43 in England, 18.75 in Windies, 20.55 in South Africa, and 23. 11 in Sri Lanka. He has never scored a 100 outside of India or Pakistan. 4 of his 6 test hundreds have come against the weakest bowling line up he has played (India). England is the only non-subcontinent team he has scored a 100 against. Oh and in his last 6 test matches he has averaged a mighty 10.25

In ODI's first of all he averages a very impressive 26. For a specialist opener that is not acceptable. 3 of his 5 hundreds were scored in Pakistan with 1 in UAE. His averages on difficult places to bat are as follows:
Aus: 22.81
Eng: 21.63
NZ: 28
SA: 18.18

And top it off in his last 15 innings he has an average of 16.26 with only one 50 which I think came against Ireland.

And he actually has a better average in the middle order than as an opener but we have better middle order batsmen in ODIs. So now tell me if he is a better alternative than Hafeez, Jamshed or Shehzad as an opener?
 
Ah yes the fearsome Windies bowling attack.

Kamran is the most overrated batsman I've ever seen. In tests, he averages 14.4 in Australia, 12.43 in England, 18.75 in Windies, 20.55 in South Africa, and 23. 11 in Sri Lanka. He has never scored a 100 outside of India or Pakistan. 4 of his 6 test hundreds have come against the weakest bowling line up he has played (India). England is the only non-subcontinent team he has scored a 100 against. Oh and in his last 6 test matches he has averaged a mighty 10.25

In ODI's first of all he averages a very impressive 26. For a specialist opener that is not acceptable. 3 of his 5 hundreds were scored in Pakistan with 1 in UAE. His averages on difficult places to bat are as follows:
Aus: 22.81
Eng: 21.63
NZ: 28
SA: 18.18

And top it off in his last 15 innings he has an average of 16.26 with only one 50 which I think came against Ireland.

And he actually has a better average in the middle order than as an opener but we have better middle order batsmen in ODIs. So now tell me if he is a better alternative than Hafeez, Jamshed or Shehzad as an opener?
no1 is replacing ma dawg :ahmed...He's cemented pretty much across all formats now
 
Ah yes the fearsome Windies bowling attack.



Kamran is the most overrated batsman I've ever seen. In tests, he averages 14.4 in Australia, 12.43 in England, 18.75 in Windies, 20.55 in South Africa, and 23. 11 in Sri Lanka. He has never scored a 100 outside of India or Pakistan. 4 of his 6 test hundreds have come against the weakest bowling line up he has played (India). England is the only non-subcontinent team he has scored a 100 against. Oh and in his last 6 test matches he has averaged a mighty 10.25



In ODI's first of all he averages a very impressive 26. For a specialist opener that is not acceptable. 3 of his 5 hundreds were scored in Pakistan with 1 in UAE. His averages on difficult places to bat are as follows:

Aus: 22.81

Eng: 21.63

NZ: 28

SA: 18.18



And top it off in his last 15 innings he has an average of 16.26 with only one 50 which I think came against Ireland.



And he actually has a better average in the middle order than as an opener but we have better middle order batsmen in ODIs. So now tell me if he is a better alternative than Hafeez, Jamshed or Shehzad as an opener?


I am not supporting a recall for Kamran. I was merely pointing out a mistake from a previous post. I would however love to know how much Hafeez and jamshed average in SA, Aus and NZ. I don't think Jamshed has ever played in Aus though. Also I can pick 5 may be 6 match winning innings in test matches from Kamran . I don't recall any from Hafeez or jamshed!
 
I am not supporting a recall for Kamran. I was merely pointing out a mistake from a previous post. I would however love to know how much Hafeez and jamshed average in SA, Aus and NZ. I don't think Jamshed has ever played in Aus though. Also I can pick 5 may be 6 match winning innings in test matches from Kamran . I don't recall any from Hafeez or jamshed!

This was a response to your statement that Kamran is better than any of our specialist batsmen. I just gave you three that have a better record than him. Let Jamshed and Shehzad play as many matches as Kami and then we talk about their respective records.

5 or 6 match winning innings in test matches oh boy. First of all, that is a very bold statement because let's find these innings. There is the 154 against England when Pakistan piled 636/8 in an innings win at home so no that isn't a match-winning innings. He batted well to score 70 against New Zealand in the first innings but that wasn't match-winning because we won the game when our bowlers bowled NZ out for 99. Then there was the 78 against WI but again it was hardly match-winning, he came into bat when Pakistan were already leading by 80 odd runs and Moyo was already set on 114.

His hundred against India and his 50 against South Africa were matching winning though I agree. But the 100 happened 8 years ago and the 50 was 7 years ago. How long is he going to live off those knocks?

Just to conclude only 2 of his 6 hundreds came in matches won and only 4 of 12 50s were scored in matches won.

Finally, you're asking about the number of match-winning test knocks by Jamshed or Hafeez. Well first of all, that is irrelevant because I don't want either of them as openers in test matches and the initial comparison with them was in ODIs and not in tests (although I'd have them over Kamran). Secondly, this question is only valid if you can provide me with any match-winning innings by Kamran in test matches where he opened. If not, then you don't have an argument. Finally, are you seriously advocating for the inclusion of Kamran in the test team as an opener? Or did you just mix up ODIs with test matches?
 
no1 is replacing ma dawg :ahmed...He's cemented pretty much across all formats now

I seriously hope so. I'm so impressed by this guy and think he has the brightest future out of any of our recently tried openers. And if he was to be replaced by Kamran Akmal I would stop watching cricket.
 
You are just wasting your time arguing with me.. I don't want Kamran back..! I just pointed out the fact that he indeed made a century as an ODI opener outside the subcontinent. I don't know how you get the idea that I want him back. He is done
 
You are just wasting your time arguing with me.. I don't want Kamran back..! I just pointed out the fact that he indeed made a century as an ODI opener outside the subcontinent. I don't know how you get the idea that I want him back. He is done

I'm glad you don't want him back. I don't think anyone does. My post was in regards to your claim that Kamran was better than any specialist opener we have.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

do we still have a problem
 
Umair Masood and Rohail Nazir should be fast tracked.

Else we can go with Abid Ali, Umar Siddique or Umar Akmal as wicketkeeper.
 
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