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New Delhi: As soon as the verdict came against the former Pakistan president Nawaz Sharif and his Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PML-N) partisans in the Avenfield corruption case, the chances of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan winning the General Elections boosted emphatically. Capitalising on the verdict, the PTI frontrunner has left no stone unturned to strengthen his party base and gain support if the recent weeks of his election campaigning are concerned.

Nawaz Sharif has been imprisoned for 10 years after he was found guilty in the Avenfield scandal, a corruption case according to Imran Khan where Sharif and his family looted millions from his countrymen and made their own family rich.

Despite the 'traitor' and 'corrupt' rhetorics thrown at the former Pakistan prime minister, there's no denying that Nawaz Sharif can play an important role when Pakistan goes to polls on Wednesday. To counter the two formidable forces of the nation in Pakistan- Sharif and the Pakistan Army, the name of Imran Khan and his PTI party stands tall thanks to his anti-Sharif persona and a clean-chit record among the masses.

It's fair to say that the former Pakistan cricket team captain is straight driving his way into hearts of the Pakistani awaam (common people). Touted as the favourite to emerge victorious in the 2018 Pakistan General Elections, Imran Khan can make things complicated for India if his PTI party manages to defy the odds and reign supreme after the poll-verdict.

Just like any other Pakistani politician, the PTI chief has spoken against India to woo voters. Khan, with his good image in front of Pakistan Army, has backed the jihadi groups. Thanks to his tirade against Indian ideologies and impressive wordplay, the PTI chief has been also hailed as 'Taliban Khan', a politician who favours funding terror outfits.

According to reports, the political workers representing the PML-N and PPP received bad reception during the build-up play of the Pakistan Elections where leveraged was gained by Imran Khan's PTI. As per reports, the two political parties were not given substantial media room to help their respective campaigning.

With all roads leading to Imran Khan's glory in the polls, even the Pakistan Army are titled towards PTI and are making sure that his party gets a majority in the elections. In addition to that, Imran Khan is also rumoured to align with global terrorist Hafiz Saeed and his Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)/Jamaat-ud Dawaah (JuD) if his party fails to seal majority in the Pakistan elections.

Source: https://www.timesnownews.com/intern...t-in-elections-will-only-benefit-india/258997
 
These articles are so poorly researched .....

Imran Khan is also rumoured to align with global terrorist Hafiz Saeed and his Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT)/Jamaat-ud Dawaah (JuD) if his party fails to seal majority in the Pakistan elections.

It makes me laugh how the Indian media is portraying these parties is major players for the election. These parties will not win a single seat.
 
I feel Imran Khan as PM will be great for India, even though the numpties on our side of the border might not immediately realize it.

Of course, the joker in the pack will be the Pakistan Army - if Imran can reign them in sufficiently, clear blue skies may be ahead!
 
I feel Imran Khan as PM will be great for India, even though the numpties on our side of the border might not immediately realize it.

Of course, the joker in the pack will be the Pakistan Army - if Imran can reign them in sufficiently, clear blue skies may be ahead!

Imran Khan’s views on India echo the views of your average PTI supporter - they are laboring under the delusion that India is afraid of a Pakistan led by the great khan, and that is why are they are supporting Nawaz Sharif who was never a threat to India.

Nawaz Sharif was very late to realize that Pakistan gains nothing from being an annoying fly that does buzz buzz in India’s ear, and friendly relationships with India is the only way forward for the prosperity of Pakistan. He only realized that once he freed himself from the military shackles.

However, Imran Khan is the latest fly in the military web now, and as a result, anti-India rhetoric - which sells very well in Pakistan - was a common theme of his election campaign.

Yesterday in Lahore, in what was his final rally before the election, he came up with same typical crap statements regarding India.

Like Nawaz, Imran will one day realize how damaging Pakistan’s anti-India stance is, but by that time, someone else will be caught in the military web who will carry forward the “India hamara dushman” rhetoric, and it will go on and on.

The bottom line is, as long as the military holds the power, don’t expect Pakistan to work towards better relations with India.
 
Reads like something written by a 10 year old. Pathetic.

I hope whoever strengthens the economy in Pakistan wins - the last thing India needs is an economic basketcase on their border. Moreover, the richer both countries become the more trade they’ll do with each other which can only be a good thing.

May the best man win.
 
Reads like something written by a 10 year old. Pathetic.

I hope whoever strengthens the economy in Pakistan wins - the last thing India needs is an economic basketcase on their border. Moreover, the richer both countries become the more trade they’ll do with each other which can only be a good thing.

May the best man win.

Absolutely. Who cares if it's good for India, the main concern should be to follow policies good for Pakistan. If India also benefits, win-win all round.
 
Times Now has become like TOI these days.Rubbish article. Even the name of the author isnt mentioned.

Let Pakistanis elect anyone they want. Its their right and it doesnot affect India.

He cannot do anything that Pakistan hasnt already tried. Except nuke war.
 
Imran Khan’s views on India echo the views of your average PTI supporter - they are laboring under the delusion that India is afraid of a Pakistan led by the great khan, and that is why are they are supporting Nawaz Sharif who was never a threat to India.

Nawaz Sharif was very late to realize that Pakistan gains nothing from being an annoying fly that does buzz buzz in India’s ear, and friendly relationships with India is the only way forward for the prosperity of Pakistan. He only realized that once he freed himself from the military shackles.

However, Imran Khan is the latest fly in the military web now, and as a result, anti-India rhetoric - which sells very well in Pakistan - was a common theme of his election campaign.

Yesterday in Lahore, in what was his final rally before the election, he came up with same typical crap statements regarding India.

Like Nawaz, Imran will one day realize how damaging Pakistan’s anti-India stance is, but by that time, someone else will be caught in the military web who will carry forward the “India hamara dushman” rhetoric, and it will go on and on.

The bottom line is, as long as the military holds the power, don’t expect Pakistan to work towards better relations with India.

I think u missed the part or you deliberately chose not to mention it here where Khan said " I also want friendly relations with India but not at the cost barbarism and injustice that is been meted out to the Kashmiris."...
I know your stance on Kashmir so I wouldn't want to get into discussion with u on this. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy..
 
Times Now has become like TOI these days.Rubbish article. Even the name of the author isnt mentioned.

Let Pakistanis elect anyone they want. Its their right and it doesnot affect India.

He cannot do anything that Pakistan hasnt already tried. Except nuke war.

For the first time I feel like agreeing with you..
 
I think u missed the part or you deliberately chose not to mention it here where Khan said " I also want friendly relations with India but not at the cost barbarism and injustice that is been meted out to the Kashmiris."...
I know your stance on Kashmir so I wouldn't want to get into discussion with u on this. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy..

As usual, Imran Khan wants peace, but he wants things to be on his terms. That has been the hallmark of his political career - you are either with him or against him, and if there has to be a compromise, he is the one who is going to set the terms.

And his “terms” as far as India is concerned are going to be decided by the military, because they determine our foreign policy.

However, they will never get what they want because India will never allow Pakistan to call the shots over its internal problem. We will never have peace with India unless we swallow our pride and accept that we have no business in Kashmir, and it does with the people of Kashmir is it’s internal problem.
 
As usual, Imran Khan wants peace, but he wants things to be on his terms. That has been the hallmark of his political career - you are either with him or against him, and if there has to be a compromise, he is the one who is going to set the terms.

And his “terms” as far as India is concerned are going to be decided by the military, because they determine our foreign policy.

However, they will never get what they want because India will never allow Pakistan to call the shots over its internal problem. We will never have peace with India unless we swallow our pride and accept that we have no business in Kashmir, and it does with the people of Kashmir is it’s

i am sure you would be the first person to advocate and accept any terns and cosidtions that india would set while dealing with paksitan however paksitan on the other hand cant do that at all since everything in paksitan is controlled by army so India has every right to bully Pakistan.
You can have your opinion and I have absolutely no problem with that but the fact that 30% of Kashmir is with Pakistan so I don't understand how on earth is Kashmir India's internal matter. Anyway, I rest my case here unless you want to dig further as I am well aware of your position on India and Kashmir.
 
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India wants Nawaz Sharif back at the helm in Pak to serve them like before. There is no chance of that happening. Mostly likely he is finished in politics now. All his money and assets need to be seized once a new government is forms that will be more difficult a challenge.
 
i am sure you would be the first person to advocate and accept any terns and cosidtions that india would set while dealing with paksitan however paksitan on the other hand cant do that at all since everything in paksitan is controlled by army so India has every right to bully Pakistan.
You can have your opinion and I have absolutely no problem with that but the fact that 30% of Kashmir is with Pakistan so I don't understand how on earth is Kashmir India's internal matter. Anyway, I rest my case here unless you want to dig further as I am well aware of your position on India and Kashmir.

How is an issue between India and Kashmiris a Pakistani problem?
 
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As usual, Imran Khan wants peace, but he wants things to be on his terms. That has been the hallmark of his political career - you are either with him or against him, and if there has to be a compromise, he is the one who is going to set the terms.

And his “terms” as far as India is concerned are going to be decided by the military, because they determine our foreign policy.

However, they will never get what they want because India will never allow Pakistan to call the shots over its internal problem. We will never have peace with India unless we swallow our pride and accept that we have no business in Kashmir, and it does with the people of Kashmir is it’s internal problem.

There can never be peace without justice and IK understands this.

His speech was brilliant and he only talked about India after their media has been supportive of NS while at the same time trying to discredit IK when he has rarely said a bad word about India over the years. He was right to say India would rather have it's asset in charge instead of him because he cannot be controlled by foreign entities.
 
How is an issue between India and Kashmiris a Pakistani problem

There are resolutions pending in UN about Kashmir and as far as remember those resolutions were filed by your country's first elected prime minister which say that the people of Kashmir would be given a right of self determination where in they can hv choice of their own whether they want to stay with India or Pakistan. A promise read deception that india never fulfilled..
 
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If there's a single reason why you should not support Nawaz Sharif, it's the support of the Hindu media corporation for this crook, as if playing internal strife or water issues wasn't enough they want to impose their own satrap in Pak through the PML-N, who would be used as a pawn against China's geopolitical ambitions.
 
There are resolutions pending in UN about Kashmir and as far as remember those resolutions were filed by your country's first elected prime minister which say that the people of Kashmir would be given a right of self determination where in they can hv choice of their own whether they want to stay with India or Pakistan. A promise read deception that india never fulfilled..

Read that resolution please. It nowhere gives Pakistan any position on Kashmir.Rather the first step in that resolution is that pakistan vacate Kashmir.

Now please tell me how did a dispute between india and kashmir become a pakistani problem?

Why are you holding kashmiri land? Why did Pakistan attack the sovereign kingdom of J and K?
 
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There can never be peace without justice and IK understands this.

His speech was brilliant and he only talked about India after their media has been supportive of NS while at the same time trying to discredit IK when he has rarely said a bad word about India over the years. He was right to say India would rather have it's asset in charge instead of him because he cannot be controlled by foreign entities.

What justice?
 
Read that resolution please. It nowhere gives Pakistan any position on Kashmir.Rather the first step in that resolution is that pakistan vacate Kashmir.

Now please tell me how did a dispute between india and kashmir become a pakistani problem?

Why are you holding kashmiri land? Why did Pakistan attack the sovereign kingdom of J and K?

Hv you not discussed it before .??? I advised you then and I advise you again to go through history and reread about the mutiny of poonch against the then illegitimate ruler of Kashmir Hari Singh who according to India signed the pact of accession with India. You will get all your answers.
 
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What justice?

Justice to the people of Kashmir. How many of those who have been tortured, raped and murdered over the years seen justice? Second part of justice is for the Indian state to change their policy of state terrorism against a defenceless population. Just treat people with humanity and things can change for everyone.
 
Justice to the people of Kashmir. How many of those who have been tortured, raped and murdered over the years seen justice? Second part of justice is for the Indian state to change their policy of state terrorism against a defenceless population. Just treat people with humanity and things can change for everyone.

It's asking too much from a nation whose hands are stained with the blood of Kashmiris.
 
It's asking too much from a nation whose hands are stained with the blood of Kashmiris.

No, it is asking too much from the nation whose hands are stained with the blood of Bangladeshis.

Asking Pakistan to fight for the rights of Kashmiri victims is like asking Nawaz Sharif to fight against corruption.
 
There can never be peace without justice and IK understands this.

His speech was brilliant and he only talked about India after their media has been supportive of NS while at the same time trying to discredit IK when he has rarely said a bad word about India over the years. He was right to say India would rather have it's asset in charge instead of him because he cannot be controlled by foreign entities.

What justice? Whatever India does in J&K is not our problem. We have plenty of problem of our own, we cannot afford to be the custodians of South Asia, or the custodians of the Muslim ummah which has always been our greatest ambition.

When Pakistan was commiting worse crimes in Bangladesh, do you think other countries should have intervened and demanded justice?

We have gained nothing from fighting for Kashmir, and we will gain nothing in the future either.
 
What justice? Whatever India does in J&K is not our problem. We have plenty of problem of our own, we cannot afford to be the custodians of South Asia, or the custodians of the Muslim ummah which has always been our greatest ambition.

When Pakistan was commiting worse crimes in Bangladesh, do you think other countries should have intervened and demanded justice?

We have gained nothing from fighting for Kashmir, and we will gain nothing in the future either.

I will respond but let's get one thing straight first please.

Do you condemn India for the rapes, tortures and murders of Kashmiris' over the years?
 
What justice? Whatever India does in J&K is not our problem. We have plenty of problem of our own, we cannot afford to be the custodians of South Asia, or the custodians of the Muslim ummah which has always been our greatest ambition.

When Pakistan was commiting worse crimes in Bangladesh, do you think other countries should have intervened and demanded justice?

We have gained nothing from fighting for Kashmir, and we will gain nothing in the future either.

Why did India intervene in paksitans internal matter then ??
 
I will respond but let's get one thing straight first please.

Do you condemn India for the rapes, tortures and murders of Kashmiris' over the years?

Of course he doesn't considering its India's internal matter..
 
No, it is asking too much from the nation whose hands are stained with the blood of Bangladeshis.

Asking Pakistan to fight for the rights of Kashmiri victims is like asking Nawaz Sharif to fight against corruption.

Mamoon we all here on pp know your modus opernda, when ever you are caught in the corner you would try to divert the topic. Yet again you hv resorted to your old dirty tricks of derailing the debate by brining Bangladesh into this..
 
I will respond but let's get one thing straight first please.

Do you condemn India for the rapes, tortures and murders of Kashmiris' over the years?

Of course. Indian forces have definitely crossed the line, but I think it is never black and white.

We are only looking at from one angle only because of our propaganda, but India is not 100% at fault and the Kashmiris who want freedom are not 100% right.

Perhaps it is time for a change of strategy. I think both sides need to show some flexibility and come to the table.

Kashmiris who have raised arms also need to stop, and for that to happen, we obviously need to stop funding militants in Kashmir, but that is not going to happen because it is not in the interests of our state.
 
Mamoon we all here on pp know your modus opernda, when ever you are caught in the corner you would try to divert the topic. Yet again you hv resorted to your old dirty tricks of derailing the debate by brining Bangladesh into this..

Why is that irrelevant? How can we not talk about what we did in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) if we are talking about what India is doing in Kashmir?
 
Why is that irrelevant? How can we not talk about what we did in Bangladesh (East Pakistan) if we are talking about what India is doing in Kashmir?

So according to you India is well with in its rights whatever it wants to do in Kashmir since paksitan has done something wrong to Bangladeshis some 40 yrs ago so we Kashmiris should be made to pay for that.. wow what logic!!!!!
 
Of course. Indian forces have definitely crossed the line, but I think it is never black and white.

We are only looking at from one angle only because of our propaganda, but India is not 100% at fault and the Kashmiris who want freedom are not 100% right.

Perhaps it is time for a change of strategy. I think both sides need to show some flexibility and come to the table.

Kashmiris who have raised arms also need to stop, and for that to happen, we obviously need to stop funding militants in Kashmir, but that is not going to happen because it is not in the interests of our state.

This read as the most weakest condemnations for crimes against humanity I have ever come across, in fact it's more of an apologist response.

Kashmiri's have a right to protest, demand freedom or basic human rights. In return if they are attacked they also have a right to defend themselves which is universal law.

Coming back to your point, suggesting it's India's internal matter please read upon International law which clearly states Kashmir is disputed territory and if such territory borders with Pakistan, it has every right to get involved. If we go by your view, then Azad Kashmir belongs to India, so we are already involved in their internal affairs since Pakistan troops took over. India has done nothing to take back their land.
 
This read as the most weakest condemnations for crimes against humanity I have ever come across, in fact it's more of an apologist response.

Kashmiri's have a right to protest, demand freedom or basic human rights. In return if they are attacked they also have a right to defend themselves which is universal law.

Coming back to your point, suggesting it's India's internal matter please read upon International law which clearly states Kashmir is disputed territory and if such territory borders with Pakistan, it has every right to get involved. If we go by your view, then Azad Kashmir belongs to India, so we are already involved in their internal affairs since Pakistan troops took over. India has done nothing to take back their land.

Tell mamoon there are many as as 800000 to 1 million Indian troops here in Kashmir and 500000 (approx.) police personals personals fighting against not even 100 mujahids in Kashmir.
 
Hv you not discussed it before .??? I advised you then and I advise you again to go through history and reread about the mutiny of poonch against the then illegitimate ruler of Kashmir Hari Singh who according to India signed the pact of accession with India. You will get all your answers.

Who declared Hari Singh illegitimate? Which authority? Did that authority also declate the Indian Independence act of 1947 as illegal?

How does a dispute between Hari Singh and his people give Pakistani the right to invade Kashmir?
 
Justice to the people of Kashmir. How many of those who have been tortured, raped and murdered over the years seen justice? Second part of justice is for the Indian state to change their policy of state terrorism against a defenceless population. Just treat people with humanity and things can change for everyone.

And who made Pakistan the dispenser of justice?
 
This read as the most weakest condemnations for crimes against humanity I have ever come across, in fact it's more of an apologist response.

Kashmiri's have a right to protest, demand freedom or basic human rights. In return if they are attacked they also have a right to defend themselves which is universal law.

Coming back to your point, suggesting it's India's internal matter please read upon International law which clearly states Kashmir is disputed territory and if such territory borders with Pakistan, it has every right to get involved. If we go by your view, then Azad Kashmir belongs to India, so we are already involved in their internal affairs since Pakistan troops took over. India has done nothing to take back their land.

So Pakistan has the right to intervene in its neighbour's affairs? Lol. Who made this law? You?
 
Who declared Hari Singh illegitimate? Which authority? Did that authority also declate the Indian Independence act of 1947 as illegal?

How does a dispute between Hari Singh and his people give Pakistani the right to invade Kashmir?

I again advise you to read about the mutiny of poonch ...

Btw who had given India right to invade Hyderabad and junnagard??
 
[MENTION=59262]shaaik[/MENTION] I think you know me, my name is Hassan and I’m kashmiri 😊
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] we have a right of self-determination and want to join Pakistan. Do you have a problem with that? I’m adding [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] to the debate.

May Imran khan win inshallah!! For Pakistan and Kashmir valley and Chenab valley to become Pakistan! 😊🇵🇰💚😊🇵🇰💚
 
To be honest, I don’t need lectures from a Non Kashmiri like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] who doesn’t have Kashmiri interests at heart or even mainland Pakistan.
 
Your first elected prime minister...

I again advise you to read about the mutiny of poonch ...

Btw who had given India right to invade Hyderabad and junnagard??

Again.The mutiny gives no right to Pakistan to invade Kashmir. Nor does a mutiny result in the ruler becoming illegitimate.

Its Junagarh not junnagard. India didnot invade Junagarh.

Both India and Pakistan had signed an agreement to not invade any princely state. Pakistan broke that agreement by invading Kashmir.Therefore making that agreement void. Thats when India invaded Hyderabad.
 
[MENTION=59262]shaaik[/MENTION] I think you know me, my name is Hassan and I’m kashmiri 😊

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] we have a right of self-determination and want to join Pakistan. Do you have a problem with that? I’m adding [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] to the debate.

May Imran khan win inshallah!! For Pakistan and Kashmir valley and Chenab valley to become Pakistan! 😊🇵🇰💚😊🇵🇰💚

Welcome hasan bhai...

Let's not take mamoon seriously these days ..

And Imran Khan is winning In sha Allah ..
 
Again.The mutiny gives no right to Pakistan to invade Kashmir. Nor does a mutiny result in the ruler becoming illegitimate.

Its Junagarh not junnagard. India didnot invade Junagarh.

Both India and Pakistan had signed an agreement to not invade any princely state. Pakistan broke that agreement by invading Kashmir.Therefore making that agreement void. Thats when India invaded Hyderabad.

So why did Hari Singh not adhere to the majority?
 
People seriously believe here that Imran Khan or Pakistan can take J and K from India. Lol.
 
So why did Hari Singh not adhere to the majority?

He wanted to be independent. The issue was between him and his people but Pakistan thought they are a super power and invaded Kashmir.

Just like today its a issue between India and kashmiris and pakistan thinks its a mega super power and will take j and k from India.
 
He wanted to be independent. The issue was between him and his people but Pakistan thought they are a super power and invaded Kashmir.

Just like today its a issue between India and kashmiris and pakistan thinks its a mega super power and will take j and k from India.

Again mutiny of poonch is your answer.. read about it.. You would know who invaded what, when and how ??
 
And who made Pakistan the dispenser of justice?

So Pakistan has the right to intervene in its neighbour's affairs? Lol. Who made this law? You?

Justice should be the aim of all people.

You believe Kashmir belongs to India, so Pak has already taken your land for decades. Why hasnt India sent troops in to Azad Kashmir and take back its land?

A more simple and sensible way forward would be for India to stops it's human rights abuses and all parties come up with a solution.
 
It said Kashmiris will be given a right of self determination...

And all you answers about Paksitan talking over Azad Kashmir are in the mutiny of poonch...

A mutiny somewhere doesnot allow another country to invade it.

Pakistan must vacate PoK for any referendum. But pakistan hasnot vacated.They must also take away everyone who was not a resident of Kashmir in 1948 or their descendents.

Then valley muslims drove out hindus changing the demographics. Now you want referendum?
 
Hari Singh wasn't legitimate to us [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], thus the Poonch rebellion which is the real beginning of the Kashmir issue, predating Pakistan's entry into the issue by months. He was the first to "change the demographics" (a favorite phrase of some) when he transformed the Jammu region from an Islamic majority to a Hindu majority, by ethnic cleansing.

The Dogras themselves got power there by betraying the Sikhs in Punjab in the favor of the British. The same Sikhs you are calling defenders of the oppressed elsewhere were betrayed by Gulab Singh during the first Anglo-Sikh war, and rewarded with the lands we know of for a modest sum (treaty of Amritsar). That's how you got the first 'Maharaja' of J&K.

Imran Khan should get J&K, at least it's Islamic majority districts, if not, the Kashmir Valley.
 
Justice should be the aim of all people.

You believe Kashmir belongs to India, so Pak has already taken your land for decades. Why hasnt India sent troops in to Azad Kashmir and take back its land?

A more simple and sensible way forward would be for India to stops it's human rights abuses and all parties come up with a solution.

1. We already have the larger part of Kashmir and see no reason to go to war. Just like China doesnot go to war for Taiwan or Sikkim.

2.Pakistan is not a party. It must vacate PoK and let Indians and Kashmiris solve their issues. It must also stop supporting terrorism.
 
Hari Singh wasn't legitimate to us [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION], thus the Poonch rebellion which is the real beginning of the Kashmir issue, predating Pakistan's entry into the issue by months. He was the first to "change the demographics" (a favorite phrase of some) when he transformed the Jammu region from an Islamic majority to a Hindu majority, by ethnic cleansing.

The Dogras themselves got power there by betraying the Sikhs in Punjab in the favor of the British. The same Sikhs you are calling defenders of the oppressed elsewhere were betrayed by Gulab Singh during the first Anglo-Sikh war, and rewarded with the lands we know of for a modest sum (treaty of Amritsar). That's how you got the first 'Maharaja' of J&K.

Imran Khan should get J&K, at least it's Islamic majority districts, if not, the Kashmir Valley.

1. The Dogras ruled Kashmir for 200 years. The Indian independence act recognised hari singh as the ruler. The same act that formed India and Pakistan and a act that both India Pakistan agreed to abide by.

2.I understand that valley muslims feel all hindus are illegal in Kashmir. Be it Hari Singh or Pandits or others. But that doesnot change the fact that Hari Singh was the legal ruler.

3. Mutiny in poonch doesnot mean Pakistan gets to invade Kashmir.

4. How will imran khan get J and K?
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] the Dogras ruled slightly over 100 years, and that doesn't change the fact : do you recognize Mughals as "legal rulers" ? Would you consider the Marathas rebelling against your "legal ruler" Aurangzeb to be terrorists ? These are subjective formalities. You can't enforce rule when the local population doesn't recognizes its legitimacy. Hari Singh was recognized as ruler because it was a de facto act, you couldn't change it, independently of popular sentiments. Also the Poonch rebellion predated the royal edit/ratification as well, when Hari Singh ethnically cleansed Jammu of its pro-Pakistan Muslim population.

The pro-Pakistan sentiment was so popular that his PM, a Kashmiri Pandit, Ram Chandra Kak, was himself pro-Pak, and was thus dismissed : Hari Singh had in mind to accede to India way before any Poonch revolt/Pak-Pashtun tribesmen, even if he was parading the independence narrative. From the beginning he knew he would betray the majority population, as direct defiance to the Independence act to come.

Imran Khan will get it.
 
1. We already have the larger part of Kashmir and see no reason to go to war. Just like China doesnot go to war for Taiwan or Sikkim.

2.Pakistan is not a party. It must vacate PoK and let Indians and Kashmiris solve their issues. It must also stop supporting terrorism.

Nice to know you're happy with your land being taken by Pakistan, a sizeable chunk and you're happy with India oppressing people. Didn't expect anything less from BJP supporters.
 
So according to you India is well with in its rights whatever it wants to do in Kashmir since paksitan has done something wrong to Bangladeshis some 40 yrs ago so we Kashmiris should be made to pay for that.. wow what logic!!!!!

You do know that if Kashmir gets freedom. 2 or 3 things will surely happen. Pakistan will forcefully take it over. Or Pakistan will use it as a breeding ground of extremists which will make life hell for India and for the Kashmir people. Lastly whoever from the Indian government signs off on that will be committing political suicide. Kashmir will end up being another Afghanistan or Syria which India doesn’t want to deal with. It has enough issues as it is with the current status quo...
 
People seriously believe here that Imran Khan or Pakistan can take J and K from India. Lol.

How many times i have told you this, pakistan or IK or anyone wont take IOK from India. The damage to India ha been done in the 80s.
Kashmiris are enough to take it on thier own. you can kill one burhan wani. the next day 10 will be born. you can kill 10 of them thn 100 will come for you. Becoz you just cant kill the Ideology with bullet. IOK is just a lost cause for India. whether your govt accepts this or not. its just a ticking time bomb for India.
 
Times Now has become like TOI these days.Rubbish article. Even the name of the author isnt mentioned.

Let Pakistanis elect anyone they want. Its their right and it doesnot affect India.

He cannot do anything that Pakistan hasnt already tried. Except nuke war.

He will be strategically better .I think it will help both countries.
 
And some of our neighbors are diverting thread to kashmir.Wah....We dont care what India say.They can say what they want but puppet is not gonna win this time in Pakistan,
 
You do know that if Kashmir gets freedom. 2 or 3 things will surely happen. Pakistan will forcefully take it over. Or Pakistan will use it as a breeding ground of extremists which will make life hell for India and for the Kashmir people. Lastly whoever from the Indian government signs off on that will be committing political suicide. Kashmir will end up being another Afghanistan or Syria which India doesn’t want to deal with. It has enough issues as it is with the current status quo...

What if Kashmiris want to join with Pak ?

Only reason Kashmiris resent Indians is because of their security policies there.

If they join Pak they'll be peaceful with Indians.

And there was no "political suicide" when Pak was created, even if some Hindu nationalists still bash Nehru/Khangress for "letting" Akhand Bharat being cut off in different pieces, but that doesn't seem to be a popular narrative, a proof being that Nehru himself has been India's PM for 16 years, and his family/party is still relevant.

So perhaps the same will happen by giving freedom to Kashmiris.
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] the Dogras ruled slightly over 100 years, and that doesn't change the fact : do you recognize Mughals as "legal rulers" ? Would you consider the Marathas rebelling against your "legal ruler" Aurangzeb to be terrorists ? These are subjective formalities. You can't enforce rule when the local population doesn't recognizes its legitimacy. Hari Singh was recognized as ruler because it was a de facto act, you couldn't change it, independently of popular sentiments. Also the Poonch rebellion predated the royal edit/ratification as well, when Hari Singh ethnically cleansed Jammu of its pro-Pakistan Muslim population.

The pro-Pakistan sentiment was so popular that his PM, a Kashmiri Pandit, Ram Chandra Kak, was himself pro-Pak, and was thus dismissed : Hari Singh had in mind to accede to India way before any Poonch revolt/Pak-Pashtun tribesmen, even if he was parading the independence narrative. From the beginning he knew he would betray the majority population, as direct defiance to the Independence act to come.

Imran Khan will get it.

1.Is there a Indian Independence act recognising the Mughals or Marathas?

2.Poonch mutiny or any other act of Hari Singh was an issue between him and his people.If kashmiris had overthrown Hari Singh we wouldnot be having this discussion today. Things is they didnot. Pakistan invaded Kashmir when it had no right to do so.

3.How will he get it? I mean in reality and not his dreams.
 
Nice to know you're happy with your land being taken by Pakistan, a sizeable chunk and you're happy with India oppressing people. Didn't expect anything less from BJP supporters.

1. Seccessionism is dealt with a iron hand. Its illegal.Terrorists are dealt similarly.

2.Its not BJP's view.Its Indian view.
 
1.Is there a Indian Independence act recognising the Mughals or Marathas?

2.Poonch mutiny or any other act of Hari Singh was an issue between him and his people.If kashmiris had overthrown Hari Singh we wouldnot be having this discussion today. Things is they didnot. Pakistan invaded Kashmir when it had no right to do so.

3.How will he get it? I mean in reality and not his dreams.

You're playing with words now. Of course at the time of the Mughals there was no modern legal formalism à la British, so no such "acts". But the Mughals, for all govts in the world, where the de facto rulers of the SC for centuries, independently of the majority Hindu sentiments. The Hindu élite recognized them as such as well, that's why when European travelers came to the region to speak for commerce or whatever they entered in contact with the Mughal court or their (often Hindu) ministers, not anyone else. But Hindu masses (as opposed to élite ; the Rajasthani Rajputs marrying into their families, etc) probably didn't recognize Mughals as "legitimate rulers".

The same with Dogra rule in J&K. He was the de facto ruler, that's how the situation was, not as if he was there by popular plebiscite or something like in a democratic set up. So they (Pak/Indian politicians) had to deal with him. But he was sneaky towards the conditions of the act, which stated that the princely state should take into account its pop's majority religion. The towering majority of the 570 odd princely states joined India, through Sardar Patel's diplomacy as well. Pak doesn't consider Junagadh or Hyderabad as relevant issues either, despite the Junagadh royal family still living in Pak or the fact that Shah Nawaz Bhutto (Zulfiqar's dad) was the one to make the accession to Pak, nor Pak raises the issues of Hyderabad State, despite the fact that the Razakars' creator, Kasim Razvi, ended his days in Karachi.

Pak only look to resolve J&K issue because it has the religious, moral and legal authorities to do so.

Imran Khan will get it if he becomes PM, you'll see.
 
1.Is there a Indian Independence act recognising the Mughals or Marathas?

2.Poonch mutiny or any other act of Hari Singh was an issue between him and his people.If kashmiris had overthrown Hari Singh we wouldnot be having this discussion today. Things is they didnot. Pakistan invaded Kashmir when it had no right to do so.

3.How will he get it? I mean in reality and not his dreams.

Poonch mutiny is where all the Indian narrative and lies get exposed ...

The British departure from the subcontinent in August 1947 caused two significant changes in J&K. First, Maharaja Hari Singh lost his guarantor, the British. No longer could he impose his will, almost with impunity, on the people of J&K, knowing that the British would support him or, at worst, ignore his actions. Neither could he rely on the (British) Indian Government to control subcontinental politicians, nor could he call on the support of (British) India’s military to quell internal uprisings, as he had done in 1931.
The Poonch uprising has been ‘glossed over in virtually all accounts of the origins of the Kashmir dispute’. This serious and significant anti-Maharaja uprising by Muslims living in Poonch was a response to a number of factors. These included their dislike of the Hindu Maharaja and his repressive regime, their need to obtain protection the anti-Muslim activities that the Maharaja’s army engaged in soon after Partition, and their desire for J&K to join Pakistan. Additional factors included the provocative stationing of Dogra forces in Poonch in 1947, the ‘invasion of Jammu by Sikhs’ and other militant non-Muslims after partition, and disenchantment with corruption surrounding an unpaid per capita grant for personnel who had served in the Indian Army or the labour corps during World War II (while they were barred from serving in the Maharaja’s army).

A further factor concerned the Poonchis’ weakening ability to defend themselves. Hari Singh was aware that many more Poonchis and Mirpuris had military capabilities and experience than the numbers serving in his army. He also had been ‘specially impressed and alarmed’ by a gathering of some 40,000 men, ‘almost all ex-servicemen of the British Army from Sudhnutti and Bagh Tehsils of Poonch, assembled to greet him on April 21, 1947 at Rawalakot’ during his tour of the ‘frontier areas’ of J&K. In July 1947, the ‘spooked’ Maharaja’s government ‘encouraged’ military-capable Poonchis and Mirpuris to disarm, including those ‘on leave with arms and ammunition’ from the Pakistan Army. These Muslims then became ‘alarmed’ when the J&K Police, with whom they had deposited their arms, redistributed these to Sikhs and Hindus for self-defence.

The Maharaja and his armed forces moved to suppress this campaign. Around 15 August, they may also have begun to repress Muslims, by killing them or by forcefully disarming them. A 1948 publication stated that ‘hundreds’ of people in Bagh, a district in Poonch, were killed at a hoisting of the Pakistan flag to celebrate Independence Day. Two short telegrams to Jinnah on 29 August from the ‘Muslims of Poonch’ and the ‘Muslims of Bagh’ also spoke of anti-Muslim brutality by the Maharaja’s forces around the same time. The Muslim Conference politician who became the founder President of Azad Kashmir, Sardar Muhammad Ibrahim Khan from Rawalakot in Poonch, was quoted by a 1949 publication as stating that the Maharaja had unleashed a ‘reign of terror’ on 24 August 1947 that killed 500 people. While the number of casualties cannot be confirmed, ‘shoot-on-sight’orders were apparently issued to army officers on 2 September 1947.
Towards the end of August, it be-came an armed revolt. Sardar Abdul Qayyum Khan, twenty-four years old and with Indian Army military experience, apparently ‘set the [military] ball rolling in Kashmir’. ‘In six weeks the whole district except Poonch city itself was in rebel hands. In response, the Maharaja’s army mounted an offensive in September and October 1947 against Poonchis ‘who had shown some rebellious activities’, and against Muslims in the predominantly Dogra areas of Jammu Province.
 
Imran Khan will get it if he becomes PM, you'll see.

This made me lol 😂 You’re honestly kidding or just naive ? You think if Imran wins this is the very first thing on his mind or agenda that is actually his problem or the problem that Pakistan is facing today that he is obligated to get lok by talk or force... Why ? I can’t but help feel sorry for whoever becomes the next pm that he has to first clean up house from the mess the last person left behind, and if he ever accomplishes that I would think the next step would be to help Pakistan become a good economy. Kashmir needs to be the last think on in his mind. Or better yet start reforming his foreign policy on how to establish good relationship with India atleast for the sake of its own people. It’s not crazy talk right ?

Unless you’re secretly hoping that whoever gets elected next, the first thing he needs to do is attack India to get Iok by force making him more of a nut job than the previous leaders have ever been...
 
I want to thank Indian media, their childish rants are doing the rounds on social media in Pakistan and making it easier to decide why people should vote for Imran Khan :))

Interestingly, none of the Pakistani leaders used India in their campaigns but Indian media's obsession made sure India is part of social media campaign at least.
 
I want to thank Indian media, their childish rants are doing the rounds on social media in Pakistan and making it easier to decide why people should vote for Imran Khan :))

Interestingly, none of the Pakistani leaders used India in their campaigns but Indian media's obsession made sure India is part of social media campaign at least.

I refer you to..... this:

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Pakistan Elections: 7 Terrorists & 460 Radicals Contesting, Modi Becomes Main Manifesto

At least 7 terrorists and 460 radicals are contesting in the Pakistan General Election that is scheduled to take place on July 25. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is the biggest manifesto and issue at the general elections this time.

Modi The Manifesto

Sidelining roads, electricity and power, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has become the biggest political issue and electoral manifesto of the Pakistan General Elections in 2018. On one side, Hafiz Saeed and former Pakistan Cricket captain Imran Khan's rallies often mention Modi. While on one side Hafiz Saeed describes Modi as Pakistan's biggest enemy, Imran is often seen praising the Indian Prime Minister on his action and fight against corruption.

http://www.newsworldindia.in/world/...ontesting-modi-becomes-main-manifesto/304103/
 
I refer you to..... this:

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Pakistan Elections: 7 Terrorists & 460 Radicals Contesting, Modi Becomes Main Manifesto

At least 7 terrorists and 460 radicals are contesting in the Pakistan General Election that is scheduled to take place on July 25. Prime Minister Narendra Modi is the biggest manifesto and issue at the general elections this time.

Modi The Manifesto

Sidelining roads, electricity and power, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has become the biggest political issue and electoral manifesto of the Pakistan General Elections in 2018. On one side, Hafiz Saeed and former Pakistan Cricket captain Imran Khan's rallies often mention Modi. While on one side Hafiz Saeed describes Modi as Pakistan's biggest enemy, Imran is often seen praising the Indian Prime Minister on his action and fight against corruption.

http://www.newsworldindia.in/world/...ontesting-modi-becomes-main-manifesto/304103/

Indian media is absolutely pathetic, Modi and India were not even top 20 key issues in Pakistan elections.
Also, if you go by their pathetic media we ahve terrorists running the elections everywhere, fact is these parties don't even get 10% votes and hardly any seat.
 
Indian media is absolutely pathetic, Modi and India were not even top 20 key issues in Pakistan elections.
Also, if you go by their pathetic media we ahve terrorists running the elections everywhere, fact is these parties don't even get 10% votes and hardly any seat.

Listening to Indian media, you would think that the likes of Hafiz Saeed are highly influential in Pakistan, and are in a position to win a huge share of seats and form government. Absolutely pathetic, agenda driven media. Probably a lot worse than Pakistani media honestly.
 
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