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Times Now India: Here's why Imran Khan's defeat in elections will only benefit India

I think we should open a thread on whether IK will get Kashmir broken from India or join into Pak,so that we can history of posts on the forum 10 years down the line.
 
shaaik said:
Poonch mutiny is where all the Indian narrative and lies get exposed ...

The British departure from the subcontinent in August 1947 caused two significant changes in J&K. First, Maharaja Hari Singh lost his guarantor, the British. No longer could he impose his will, almost with impunity, on the people of J&K, knowing that the British would support him or, at worst, ignore his actions. Neither could he rely on the (British) Indian Government to control subcontinental politicians, nor could he call on the support of (British) India’s military to quell internal uprisings, as he had done in 1931.
The Poonch uprising has been ‘glossed over in virtually all accounts of the origins of the Kashmir dispute’. This serious and significant anti-Maharaja uprising by Muslims living in Poonch was a response to a number of factors. These included their dislike of the Hindu Maharaja and his repressive regime, their need to obtain protection the anti-Muslim activities that the Maharaja’s army engaged in soon after Partition, and their desire for J&K to join Pakistan. Additional factors included the provocative stationing of Dogra forces in Poonch in 1947, the ‘invasion of Jammu by Sikhs’ and other militant non-Muslims after partition, and disenchantment with corruption surrounding an unpaid per capita grant for personnel who had served in the Indian Army or the labour corps during World War II (while they were barred from serving in the Maharaja’s army).

A further factor concerned the Poonchis’ weakening ability to defend themselves. Hari Singh was aware that many more Poonchis and Mirpuris had military capabilities and experience than the numbers serving in his army. He also had been ‘specially impressed and alarmed’ by a gathering of some 40,000 men, ‘almost all ex-servicemen of the British Army from Sudhnutti and Bagh Tehsils of Poonch, assembled to greet him on April 21, 1947 at Rawalakot’ during his tour of the ‘frontier areas’ of J&K. In July 1947, the ‘spooked’ Maharaja’s government ‘encouraged’ military-capable Poonchis and Mirpuris to disarm, including those ‘on leave with arms and ammunition’ from the Pakistan Army. These Muslims then became ‘alarmed’ when the J&K Police, with whom they had deposited their arms, redistributed these to Sikhs and Hindus for self-defence.

The Maharaja and his armed forces moved to suppress this campaign. Around 15 August, they may also have begun to repress Muslims, by killing them or by forcefully disarming them. A 1948 publication stated that ‘hundreds’ of people in Bagh, a district in Poonch, were killed at a hoisting of the Pakistan flag to celebrate Independence Day. Two short telegrams to Jinnah on 29 August from the ‘Muslims of Poonch’ and the ‘Muslims of Bagh’ also spoke of anti-Muslim brutality by the Maharaja’s forces around the same time. The Muslim Conference politician who became the founder President of Azad Kashmir, Sardar Muhammad Ibrahim Khan from Rawalakot in Poonch, was quoted by a 1949 publication as stating that the Maharaja had unleashed a ‘reign of terror’ on 24 August 1947 that killed 500 people. While the number of casualties cannot be confirmed, ‘shoot-on-sight’orders were apparently issued to army officers on 2 September 1947.
Towards the end of August, it be-came an armed revolt. Sardar Abdul Qayyum Khan, twenty-four years old and with Indian Army military experience, apparently ‘set the [military] ball rolling in Kashmir’. ‘In six weeks the whole district except Poonch city itself was in rebel hands. In response, the Maharaja’s army mounted an offensive in September and October 1947 against Poonchis ‘who had shown some rebellious activities’, and against Muslims in the predominantly Dogra areas of Jammu Province.
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Again. A problem between Hari Singh and his people is not an invite to Pakistan to invade Kashmir. Is that not clear?

Most absolute monarchs impose their will with impunity till today.

Just because muslims didnot like a hindu king doesnot make him illegal.

"According to the Assistant British High Commissioner in northern Pakistan, H. S. Stephenson, "the Poonch affair... was greatly exaggerated".Henry Lawrence Scott's report on 31 August states that the army action targeted persons known or suspected of "rioting, looting, murder or inciting", but "exaggerated reports of events in Poonch circulated in these Pakistan districts in which State troops are cited as the aggressors"
 
enkidu_ said:
You're playing with words now. Of course at the time of the Mughals there was no modern legal formalism à la British, so no such "acts". But the Mughals, for all govts in the world, where the de facto rulers of the SC for centuries, independently of the majority Hindu sentiments. The Hindu élite recognized them as such as well, that's why when European travelers came to the region to speak for commerce or whatever they entered in contact with the Mughal court or their (often Hindu) ministers, not anyone else. But Hindu masses (as opposed to élite ; the Rajasthani Rajputs marrying into their families, etc) probably didn't recognize Mughals as "legitimate rulers".

The same with Dogra rule in J&K. He was the de facto ruler, that's how the situation was, not as if he was there by popular plebiscite or something like in a democratic set up. So they (Pak/Indian politicians) had to deal with him. But he was sneaky towards the conditions of the act, which stated that the princely state should take into account its pop's majority religion. The towering majority of the 570 odd princely states joined India, through Sardar Patel's diplomacy as well. Pak doesn't consider Junagadh or Hyderabad as relevant issues either, despite the Junagadh royal family still living in Pak or the fact that Shah Nawaz Bhutto (Zulfiqar's dad) was the one to make the accession to Pak, nor Pak raises the issues of Hyderabad State, despite the fact that the Razakars' creator, Kasim Razvi, ended his days in Karachi.

Pak only look to resolve J&K issue because it has the religious, moral and legal authorities to do so.

Imran Khan will get it if he becomes PM, you'll see.
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1. So you yourself has answered the question. There was no nation state and international law during mughal times. But both the govt of India and Pakistan recognised the validity of the indian independence act. Then why did pakistan invade Kashmir. Why was an issue between Hari Singh and his people made a pakistani issue?

2.What legal authority pakistan has in Kashmir? Its an intruder who first interfered in a dispute between Kashmiris and their king and now interferes between Kashmiris and India and supports terrorism.

3.Nice attempt at trolling.
 
Mind your own business it is none of concern for india who ever we select next PM.
 
Why Indian media is curious about our Elections? :))

Thanks for such deep concern but we dont need it.
 
This is how senior Indian journalists see the Pakistani elections

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">All eyes on Pakistan elections today: every time you are depressed about aspects of Indian democracy, look to our neighbour. Violence, corruption, shadow of rigging, role of army, terror machines: the people of Pakistan deserve better.. good luck! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakistanElection2018?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakistanElection2018</a></p>— Rajdeep Sardesai (@sardesairajdeep) <a href="https://twitter.com/sardesairajdeep/status/1021974493928022016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Yes there are rigging concerns and Pakistan election commission needs to be reformed but look at them painting such a bleak picture that it's all doom and gloom here :facepalm:
 
cricketjoshila said:
Again. A problem between Hari Singh and his people is not an invite to Pakistan to invade Kashmir. Is that not clear?

Most absolute monarchs impose their will with impunity till today.

Just because muslims didnot like a hindu king doesnot make him illegal.

"According to the Assistant British High Commissioner in northern Pakistan, H. S. Stephenson, "the Poonch affair... was greatly exaggerated".Henry Lawrence Scott's report on 31 August states that the army action targeted persons known or suspected of "rioting, looting, murder or inciting", but "exaggerated reports of events in Poonch circulated in these Pakistan districts in which State troops are cited as the aggressors"
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Do you hv a comprehension problem. Let me break it down for you.

The mutiny of poonch forced Maharaja Hari Singh to fled the country and poonch and the other areas around it declared their independence, once Maharaj fled the country he longer remained the ruler of the country but he still went ahead and singed a treaty with India which wasn't that of accession full in full but he wanted India's support on defence and communication front and a deal was signed by him with India that India would help Maharaja to curb the revolt in poonch. So, it was Maharaja who ran to the foreign powers for their help to begin with. When this news reached poonch that Indian army has been called by Maharaja to quash the revolt, they sought help from their relatives and acquaintances who lived in the parts of Kashmir what is known as Azad Kashmir today.

This is how it all started but India which has a phd in lying, propaganda and deceit has been lying about Kashmir from day one and we Kashmiris are well aware of it..
 
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saeed5646 said:
Mind your own business it is none of concern for india who ever we select next PM.
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Hermoine Green said:
Why Indian media is curious about our Elections? :))

Thanks for such deep concern but we dont need it.
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PMLN winning and curbing the Army's influence is good for India, so it does concern us.

It is actually ten times more good for the common Pakistani citizen, and it is the only way the Pakistani economy is going to develop beyond its current pathetic state.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/
 
Napa said:
PMLN winning and curbing the Army's influence is good for India, so it does concern us.

It is actually ten times more good for the common Pakistani citizen, and it is the only way the Pakistani economy is going to develop beyond its current pathetic state.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/
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thanks for your suggestion but don,t need any help from india or their media .Pakistanis are smart

enough to know what are they doing .
 
Napa said:
If that were true, maybe you could explain why modern industries (Electrical machinery, equipment) are 3.2% of Somalia's exports, but only 1.9% of Pakistan's exports (Optical, technical, medical apparatus).

http://www.worldstopexports.com/somalias-top-10-exports/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/
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what has this deficiencies do with the thread title or imran khan as i said earlier india should not try

To involve too much in pakistan matters otherwise if pakistan try to take intrest in your

india next election

you guys and your media will whine like a no tomorrow
 
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I think we should mind our own business here. Pakistani public knows better who they should choose as their next PM.

Our media is focussing too much on these elections and then we say that we are not obessed with Pakistan. :inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
1. So you yourself has answered the question. There was no nation state and international law during mughal times. But both the govt of India and Pakistan recognised the validity of the indian independence act. Then why did pakistan invade Kashmir. Why was an issue between Hari Singh and his people made a pakistani issue?

2.What legal authority pakistan has in Kashmir? Its an intruder who first interfered in a dispute between Kashmiris and their king and now interferes between Kashmiris and India and supports terrorism.

3.Nice attempt at trolling.
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You're being disingenuous here. Of course there was no concept of "international law" but the Mughals were DE FACTO rulers of the SC for everyone who was concerned with this part of the world. In the same way Marathas would have been termed as rebels. In fact, I'll use your rhetoric against Hindu nationalists : how can there be Hindu genocide if the term "genocide" entered legal discourse only after WWII ? You perfectly got what I meant, and again, if Hari Singh was the DE FACTO ruler (and not "legitimate ruler"), that still doesn't change the fact that BEFORE the Independence Act he was going to betray the popular sentiments of J&K (pro Pak) and the terms of the act. He was never going to respect the imposed conditions.

And had you looked into the Poonch rebellion - that's why we keep referring to it - you'd know what Pak role is : the peoples who led the Poonch rebellion are the same who basically accelerated the '48 war and formed AJK.

And "trolling" is the one who keeps trying to sell the "legal legitimacy" of the Dogras to us. If you don't accept the Mughals (even if I guess you do accept the Taj Mahal as "your heritage" ?) don't try to sell us these treacherous Hindus (after all they betrayed your heroic Sikhs).
 
Napa said:
PMLN winning and curbing the Army's influence is good for India, so it does concern us.

It is actually ten times more good for the common Pakistani citizen, and it is the only way the Pakistani economy is going to develop beyond its current pathetic state.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/
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PMLN is a corrupt party and you supporting a corrupt party doesn't even surprise me much. Are you a Lalu Prasad Fan? :inti
 
Napa said:
PMLN winning and curbing the Army's influence is good for India, so it does concern us.

It is actually ten times more good for the common Pakistani citizen, and it is the only way the Pakistani economy is going to develop beyond its current pathetic state.

http://www.worldstopexports.com/pakistans-top-10-exports/
http://www.worldstopexports.com/indias-top-10-exports/
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You and your skewed, propped up, selective data that you use just because you heard a non brown man saying it on a TV channel that you watch regularly with perceived mindset and some brown guy from India said the same thing.

You have no idea what Pakistan is and what has ruined Pakistan’s economy and how institution are destroyed to benefit the people in power.

$33 billion in country like Pakistan under Musharraf era given to Pakistan while fighting a war on two fronts, which cost money, isn’t enough to get Pakistan’s economy to better a place, it had also to do with making institution efficient and earn more money through Pakistan’s economy. And the same government couldn’t be translated in to better economy under two of the corrupt politicians when Pakistan was not fighting the same battles at the same level with almost no sanctions.

You don’t know anything about Pakistan, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you don’t seem smart when you copied paste a distort data or talking point to support a narrative that you’ve heard on your favorite TV channel.

Stop kidding yourself and rest of us.

Thank you.
 
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slipcatch said:
You and your skewed, propped up, selective data that you use just because you heard a non brown man saying it on a TV channel that you watch regularly with perceived mindset and some brown guy from India said the same thing.

You have no idea what Pakistan is and what has ruined Pakistan’s economy and how institution are destroyed to benefit the people in power.

$33 billion in country like Pakistan under Musharraf era given to Pakistan while fighting a war on two fronts, which cost money, isn’t enough to get Pakistan’s economy to better a place, it had also to do with making institution efficient and earn more money through Pakistan’s economy. And the same government couldn’t be translated in to better economy under two of the corrupt politicians when Pakistan was not fighting the same battles at the same level with almost no sanctions.

You don’t know anything about Pakistan, you have no idea what you are talking about, and you don’t seem smart when you copied paste a distort data or talking point to support a narrative that you’ve heard on your favorite TV channel.

Stop kidding yourself and rest of us.

Thank you.
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Dude he doesn't even know about whats happening in India either. He is a NRI and blindly supports India to prove he is more patriotic than us who are living here.

I am not against NRI's but they should keep their fake patriotism to themselves and do not even dare to call someone else a traitor. Especially those who are living in India.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan winning the Pakistan general elections today with the support of Pakistan Army and the ISI. <a href="https://t.co/4Ip2mB7pGX">pic.twitter.com/4Ip2mB7pGX</a></p>— Aditya Raj Kaul (@AdityaRajKaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1022057559342178305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imran Khan winning the Pakistan general elections today with the support of Pakistan Army and the ISI. <a href="https://t.co/4Ip2mB7pGX">pic.twitter.com/4Ip2mB7pGX</a></p>— Aditya Raj Kaul (@AdityaRajKaul) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1022057559342178305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 25, 2018</a></blockquote>
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In Sha' Allah

Another clueless Indian.
 
[MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION]
I’m not an expert in Pak politics but if my understanding is right, a deal has been made between Imran Khan and the Army. Imran Khan is not going to have the power to overrule the army on matters regarding the relations with India or the eastern border. Army will continue to have a role in Pakistan’s foreign policy.

Under Imran Khan the generals in Rawalpindi are likely to gain more power, which if happens is not going to do Pakistan any good. Nawaz Sharif may not be a good guy. But that doesn’t mean Imran Khan is. I don’t argue much about it because it’s your internal matter and the results will be there in a few years for everyone to see and judge. However I don’t disagree with the fact that Imran Khan is the best choice for Pakistan right now.

India’s perspective on the matter is quite understandable. Someone who can control Pakistan’s army is better for India. The tension at the border will ease if that happens. It’s very clear Imran Khan is not going to be that guy. He has changed a LOT. So India will have to prepare for more surgical strikes :).
 
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Mr.Q said:
[MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION]
I’m not an expert in Pak politics but if my understanding is right, a deal has been made between Imran Khan and the Army. Imran Khan is not going to have the power to overrule the army on matters regarding the relations with India or the eastern border. Army will continue to have a role in Pakistan’s foreign policy.

Under Imran Khan the generals in Rawalpindi are likely to gain more power, which if happens is not going to do Pakistan any good. Nawaz Sharif may not be a good guy. But that doesn’t mean Imran Khan is. I don’t argue much about it because it’s your internal matter and the results will be there in a few years for everyone to see and judge. However I don’t disagree with the fact that Imran Khan is the best choice for Pakistan right now.

India’s perspective on the matter is quite understandable. Someone who can control Pakistan’s army is better for India. The tension at the border will ease if that happens. It’s very clear Imran Khan is not going to be that guy. He has changed a LOT. So India will have to prepare for more surgical strikes :).
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A reply by @enkidu in other thread, and this is why i believe India will and does not want peace with Pakistan at the moment. At least not until and after next Indian election.

Nothing will change, both nations have been built on fundamentally contradictory systems (Islam vs "secularism", which is giving its way to Hindu nationalism, as Jinnah already guessed way back.) Even with a "sympathetic" govt. (Sharif slaves), Modi-fied India will still play its tricks (internal strife, water issues, etc) because they perceive Pak (and a dozen of other countries) as illegitimate for having "stolen" parts of "Akhand Bharat".

If Imran Khan comes to power he should look to cement relations with countries like Turkey/Iran/Malaysia/China.
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Rubbish comment by indian media. Imran Khan is more harmful to Pakistan than he can ever be to india.
 
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Ridiculous headlines from Times now. Also interesting that they dont have their own transmission but are showing a live stream of Geo.

"ISI proxy Imran Khan leads"
"Should India snap all ties now"
"Terror mainstream in Pakistan"
"Pak votes for islamist terror"
 
Jin Chacha said:
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Ridiculous headlines from Times now. Also interesting that they dont have their own transmission but are showing a live stream of Geo.

"ISI proxy Imran Khan leads"
"Should India snap all ties now"
"Terror mainstream in Pakistan"
"Pak votes for islamist terror"
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Does India has any ties with Pakistan?
ISlamist terrorist?

Genuine question, don't you think your media is just simply ridiculous?
 
Jin Chacha said:
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Ridiculous headlines from Times now. Also interesting that they dont have their own transmission but are showing a live stream of Geo.

"ISI proxy Imran Khan leads"
"Should India snap all ties now"
"Terror mainstream in Pakistan"
"Pak votes for islamist terror"
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Lol that is indeed ridiculous. Some of these guys talk as if Imran Khan is a terrorist or something. Silly from times now. It’ll be very interesting to hear what IK has to say about relations with India though.
 
slipcatch said:
A reply by @enkidu in other thread, and this is why i believe India will and does not want peace with Pakistan at the moment. At least not until and after next Indian election.
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I’m someone who strongly believes that India and Pakistan will be in good relations in the future. Unlike enkidu, I believe there are so many things that unite us. His post isn’t balanced either. When putting the blame on India and its government for the poor relations he should remember that some of the most wanted terrorists are in Pakistan and I’m not ready to accept that it represents Islam.

And in the long term this fight between followers of religions will cease to exist. We have greater priorities and we’ll realise it very soon. There will be problems that we’ll have to fight together.
 
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Abdullah719 said:
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Do people actually watch or believe this rubbish?
 
Abdullah719 said:
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He said Hafiz Saeed will make policy.

:))
 
This indian guy certainly have some serious mental issues .i am feeling sorry for his health.india may have improve in other aspect but their media is still one of the most unprofessional department with bizzare propoganda which have zero weight .
 
Mr.Q said:
[MENTION=147221]slipcatch[/MENTION]
I’m not an expert in Pak politics but if my understanding is right, a deal has been made between Imran Khan and the Army. Imran Khan is not going to have the power to overrule the army on matters regarding the relations with India or the eastern border. Army will continue to have a role in Pakistan’s foreign policy.

Under Imran Khan the generals in Rawalpindi are likely to gain more power, which if happens is not going to do Pakistan any good. Nawaz Sharif may not be a good guy. But that doesn’t mean Imran Khan is. I don’t argue much about it because it’s your internal matter and the results will be there in a few years for everyone to see and judge. However I don’t disagree with the fact that Imran Khan is the best choice for Pakistan right now.

India’s perspective on the matter is quite understandable. Someone who can control Pakistan’s army is better for India. The tension at the border will ease if that happens. It’s very clear Imran Khan is not going to be that guy. He has changed a LOT. So India will have to prepare for more surgical strikes :).
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I was almost wanted to agree wtih but then you said more surgical strikes:46:
 
Abdullah719 said:
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Let's call for war against Pakistan officially ..
 
saeed5646 said:
This indian guy certainly have some serious mental issues .i am feeling sorry for his health.india may have improve in other aspect but their media is still one of the most unprofessional department with bizzare propoganda which have zero weight .
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Not only him, the whole of India suffers from a phobia called Pakistan..
 
Mr.Q said:
I’m someone who strongly believes that India and Pakistan will be in good relations in the future. Unlike enkidu, I believe there are so many things that unite us. His post isn’t balanced either. When putting the blame on India and its government for the poor relations he should remember that some of the most wanted terrorists are in Pakistan and I’m not ready to accept that it represents Islam.

And in the long term this fight between followers of religions will cease to exist. We have greater priorities and we’ll realise it very soon. There will be problems that we’ll have to fight together.
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Why did India not accept the human rights violations report which was recently issued by UN??
 
Mamoon said:
As usual, Imran Khan wants peace, but he wants things to be on his terms. That has been the hallmark of his political career - you are either with him or against him, and if there has to be a compromise, he is the one who is going to set the terms.

And his “terms” as far as India is concerned are going to be decided by the military, because they determine our foreign policy.

However, they will never get what they want because India will never allow Pakistan to call the shots over its internal problem. We will never have peace with India unless we swallow our pride and accept that we have no business in Kashmir, and it does with the people of Kashmir is it’s internal problem.
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Imran Khan can have this my way or highway attitude with India if Congress wins our general elections next year and Rahul Gandhi becomes a PM. But at present we have a TIGER sitting in PMs post and that attitude will never work with him. In his own words - "Ganatantra me dhamki na to kisi ki chali hai aur na chalegi. Yeh Modi hai...ussi bhasha me jawaab dena jaanta hai" :11:

However, Modi can lose the next years election though. Obviously in 1 on 1 battle no one can beat him. But all opposition parties in India coming together and forming an alliance to beat Modi, so its possible. It will be a chaotic election for us next year.
 
pakistan cricket fan said:
I was almost wanted to agree wtih but then you said more surgical strikes:46:
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Haha. I said ‘prepare for surgical strikes’. Those preparations cost us a lot of ₹₹₹. And seriously who would want to undertake such serious missions? If Imran Khan lets the army do whatever it wants, you know how the situation would be at the border. It won’t be very good for both parties.

shaaik said:
Why did India not accept the human rights violations report which was recently issued by UN??
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Which report? One guy made some statements based on certain assumptions. The timing and motive were very questionable, which is why many countries were quick to oppose it. India however has no issues with a UN delegation visiting Kashmir.
 
Abdullah719 said:
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what a gem!
 
Not really been following Pakistan elections but a few Indian commentators that I follow have compared IK to Modi.
For Pakistan's sake ,I hope that is not true .Pakistan does not need to go back into the rightwing, fundamentalist abyss that india is hurtling towards.
 
Kapil Dev is live on ABP News. He congratulard Imran and said the relations between India and Pakistan will improve now. We should play cricket.
 
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:sree :dw
 
One of the rare pro Imran Khan tweets I've seen from an Indian is a "Kapoor" (he's a writer), with more than probable roots in Pak Punjab considering his name. That's why the Bollywood crowd (also Punjabi-Khatri dominated :virat) is also genuine pro Pak (generally out of nostalgia), and Pakistani peoples think that they represent the whole of India - the BIMARU states (itself +300 millions peoples) are anything but pro Pak considering the meteoric rise of Hindu nationalism, the same with Gujrat/Maharashtra, where it's more of a mix between Hindu nationalism/ethnic nationalism. All of this is already half of India 1.3 billion roughly, not counting other little states.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hey friends go out and vote tomorrow. Wishing to see a better developed Pakistan. Love from India. &#55357;&#56390;&#55357;&#56898;&#55356;&#56814;&#55356;&#56819;&#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816;<br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NayaPakistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NayaPakistan</a></p>— Aniket Kapoor (@IAmAniketKapoor) <a href="https://twitter.com/IAmAniketKapoor/status/1021801527411961857?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Second best news today: Hafiz Saeed’s party put up 265 candidates including his son. Every one of them lost. Pak public still have their minds intact we don't vote for them
 
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India's army on high alert :))) :))) :)))
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Indian Media has gone mad! But look at the kind of Narrative Shaping: linking Imran Khan with Hafiz Saeed? Times Now is “India’s Comedy Central” &#55357;&#56834; <a href="https://t.co/fnYKQKjnc3">pic.twitter.com/fnYKQKjnc3</a></p>— Moeed Pirzada (@MoeedNj) <a href="https://twitter.com/MoeedNj/status/1022424421259194368?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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stocks of burnol are being shipped to indian media houses in droves..the Indian media really is pathetic..
 
Not sure why the paranoia on our side of the border tbh.

What's so bad about Imran Khan?
 
Varun said:
Not sure why the paranoia on our side of the border tbh.

What's so bad about Imran Khan?
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Actually it doesnot matter who is PM of Pakistan. Both Times Now and Republic are associated with Jang Group of Pakistan.

They are anti Imran Khan. So the same narrative is being spread.

Let IK be the PM. There is nothing sinister he can do that already has not been tried.

Lets wait and watch.

Poor stuff this.
 
Mian said:
Second best news today: Hafiz Saeed’s party put up 265 candidates including his son. Every one of them lost. Pak public still have their minds intact we don't vote for them
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I don't know why this is not highlighted more in the indian media?
 
cricketjoshila said:
Actually it doesnot matter who is PM of Pakistan. Both Times Now and Republic are associated with Jang Group of Pakistan.

They are anti Imran Khan. So the same narrative is being spread.

Let IK be the PM. There is nothing sinister he can do that already has not been tried.

Lets wait and watch.

Poor stuff this.
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The only sinister in the approach of covering this news from Pakistan is India currently.

Media has a huge impact of shaping people's opinion and i am sure there are huge population in India who would believe anything that is said on media as long as Pakistan is put in bad light.
 
I wish these pathetic Indian's views emerged well before the elections it would have greatly helped PTI with 2/3 majority. I request Indian news anchors to please make these videos at least a week before the elections next time around.
 
Whenever I think nothing can shock me, it comes back to slap me hard on the face.

An elderly gentleman visiting from India came to our office today. He comes over every year.
He is a Hindu.

When I asked him what he thought about the elections and Imran Khan he just shook his head both ways and gave a disgusted look. So I tried to engage with him but it was like talking to a Trump supporter or a Brexiteer. So I just gave up.

Now this is a smart and successful individual but clearly completely brain washed by what he see's and reads in the news.

Gentlemen, from both sides of the boarder, we need to build bridges and the first step towards an understanding is to keep an open mind.

I would like to add here that I have met people from Pakistan with equal views where they just don;t trust the Indian Government.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Why is <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ImranKhan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ImranKhan</a> licking our boots," asks ArnabTheGoswami, all because he apparently said he wants peace with India?? What kind of language is this on national TV? Disgusting.</p>— Uma Sudhir (@umasudhir) <a href="https://twitter.com/umasudhir/status/1022507537386459136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 26, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Toys out of the pram :))
 
Abdullah719 said:
Toys out of the pram :))
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Hindu nationalists don't want peace, they want to impose their own terms. Their peace is a violent pacification. Even their own Hindu neighbors in Nepal complain about their political interference. There's no peace possible with India and that's why I guess Imran Khan mentioned the country at the very last when he was outlining his foreign policy map (after Afghanistan/China/Iran/Saudi Arabia and even US).
 
enkidu_ said:
Hindu nationalists don't want peace, they want to impose their own terms. Their peace is a violent pacification. Even their own Hindu neighbors in Nepal complain about their political interference. There's no peace possible with India and that's why I guess Imran Khan mentioned the country at the very last when he was outlining his foreign policy map (after Afghanistan/China/Iran/Saudi Arabia and even US).
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Check the screenshot above lol so Arnab have these jang geo guys like Aizaz sitting on his channel giving Pak view
 
Mian said:
Check the screenshot above lol so Arnab have these jang geo guys like Aizaz sitting on his channel giving Pak view
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I said yesterday only. Both Republic and Times Now regurgitate what Jang Group tells them. Btw who is that Pakistani guy?
 
Mian said:
Check the screenshot above lol so Arnab have these jang geo guys like Aizaz sitting on his channel giving Pak view
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Their "specialists" of IK are the Raza Rumi's & co lol

now imagine if they begin inviting Murtaza Solangi. :rabada2

but like in Pak "liberals" are over represented in Indian media, and their coverage of Modi/BJP is as biased tbh.
 
cricketjoshila said:
I said yesterday only. Both Republic and Times Now regurgitate what Jang Group tells them. Btw who is that Pakistani guy?
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A reporter of Jang his Twitter timeline used to be full of anti IK (below the belt remarks) and anti Pak Army tweets while showing full love for Nawaz Sharif and his daughter during Panama case just like every Jang Geo reporter and journalist
 
enkidu_ said:
Their "specialists" of IK are the Raza Rumi's & co lol

now imagine if they begin inviting Murtaza Solangi. :rabada2

but like in Pak "liberals" are over represented in Indian media, and their coverage of Modi/BJP is as biased tbh.
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haha Raza Rumi while sitting in US from years comments on our politics like he knows it all he was saying PMLN is going to clean sweep Punjab people rejected Panama verdict :))
 
Mian said:
haha Raza Rumi while sitting in US from years comments on our politics like he knows it all he was saying PMLN is going to clean sweep Punjab people rejected Panama verdict :))
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Are Hassan Nisar and Rauf Klasra also in this Nawaz Sharif liberal group?
 
So read a couple of Indian news articles and even watched a video.

Their view is.... childish.

I doubt anyone takes them seriously, even in India.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Are Hassan Nisar and Rauf Klasra also in this Nawaz Sharif liberal group?
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Nope Hassan Nisar is in no one camp he is the only sane voice from Jang/Geo and he is taking Bhuttos/Zardaris and Sharifs to cleaners from decades and also criticize IK and PTI on issues i only watch Geo for his 30 mins show in a week.

Klasra is not part of Jang/Geo but he is a fair guy he is also exposing sharifs and zardari from years and his criticism of IK is mostly fair not below the belt type and only based on issues he don't go OTT like this Sharif's liberal brigade. Klasra also wrote a famous column about this brigade with the title "Rent a Liberal" last year and it's one of the thread here at PP where we posts gems of this brigade tiem to time http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?262131-Rent-a-Liberal-by-Rauf-Klasra/page5

Very few people know when IK launched PTI in 1996 at that time Hassan Nisar was Info Sec of PTI but later resigned and left politics.
 
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WhenSultansBowled said:
So read a couple of Indian news articles and even watched a video.

Their view is.... childish.

I doubt anyone takes them seriously, even in India.
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2/3rd of people in India rally with their media when it comes to talking foul about Pakistan. They literally take it at face value what ever their media shows and tells them
 
shaaik said:
2/3rd of people in India rally with their media when it comes to talking foul about Pakistan. They literally take it at face value what ever their media shows and tells them
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Some of them are in this thread too.
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They can't be serious. It's not like millions of people would vote for IK as if he were a terrorist plotting right now :facepalm:

The whole idea throws logic out of window.

Journalists talk a lot about 'free speech' and it's ironic they are the ones who sell news/programs. And it happens everywhere from USA to Australia :facepalm:
 
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