Toothless pace bowling at the 2019 World Cup

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Looking at the first match and also the series against Pakistan, it looks most of the times pace bowling will be toothless.

Held in England, but pace bowlers cannot move the ball an inch. It looks pace bowlers are there just to bowl 30 overs, rather than bowling some match winning spells.

In 2015, there were so many good spells from faster men.

Too early, but, I do not think it is going to change.

Such a disgrace is ICC, when bowlers like Rabada, Ngidi, etc are struggling. The less said about pace, the better.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

Will we see better bowling in the future matches from other bowlers, or will this be the norm, with some good spell here and there
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[NeVerMind]

Exactly...these pitches are making a good batsmen into great one and good bowler into an awful one...where's the justice in that? Not everyone is Trent Boult...

 

[Stewie]

If a pace bowler can move the new ball in the air like Boult and Southee or the way Amir used... they will still be a major force in this World Cup.

 

[Hawkeye]

During the cup, pace bowling will come into play.

The stage is different, pitches will slowly wear out, and bowlers will bowl with more heart + energy.

Plus, nerves for batsmen will also matter a lot - it won't be the same joke as Eng v Pak, and you will see Eng struggle as well.

Though yes, spinners will have a role as well, and Pak made a mistake by going with Imad Wasim who is a darter. Needed an attacking spinner.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Just see how Trent Boult bowls, he will always get that lovely swing and wickets upfront. Terrific bowler.

 

[Sean143]

Looking at the first match and also the series against Pakistan, it looks most of the times pace bowling will be toothless.

Held in England, but pace bowlers cannot move the ball an inch. It looks pace bowlers are there just to bowl 30 overs, rather than bowling some match winning spells.

In 2015, there were so many good spells from faster men.

Too early, but, I do not think it is going to change.

Such a disgrace is ICC, when bowlers like Rabada, Ngidi, etc are struggling. The less said about pace, the better.

And after the recently concluded series, you gave Pakistan no chance. Would you mind reconsidering your prediction.

These pitches are a nightmare for the pacers.

 

[Stewie]

Just see how Trent Boult bowls, he will always get that lovely swing and wickets upfront. Terrific bowler.

I think someone like Jimmy Anderson would also have been very successful had he played.. he swings the new ball both ways st will.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I won't. I am talking about the pace bowling. Other teams can make it up with spin bowling or even with batting. But, Pakistan lack in spin and batting too.

Teams that can make it up with batting:
Eng
Ind
Aus
Nz
Win

Teams that can make it up with spin:
Ind
Nz
SA

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I think someone like Jimmy Anderson would also have been very successful had he played.. he swings the new ball both ways st will.

This is white kookaburra, on flat pitches. He'll be eaten alive with that pace. Even if he manages an edge, there won't be any slip after 10 overs, as ball will be flying all over the ground,off batsmen's bat.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

I think someone like Jimmy Anderson would also have been very successful had he played.. he swings the new ball both ways st will.

Can't Agee, Trent Boult bowls around 140 Kph and that is why he is that effective. James Anderson with 130 Kph bowling would have gone for plenty irrespective of his swing.

 

[Sean143]

I won't. I am talking about the pace bowling. Other teams can make it up with spin bowling or even with batting. But, Pakistan lack in spin and batting too.

Teams that can make it up with batting:
Eng
Ind
Aus
Nz
Win

Teams that can make it up with spin:
Ind
Nz
SA

The trio of shadab, imad and hafeez is going to be much better together, and secondly the batting is very good with wahab riaz/amir batting at 11 in the line up which is gonna play.
Fielding made our bowlers look a lot more horrendous that they actually were, and if that can be sorted out our team has every chance of winning this WC.

 

[Hasan123]

Pitches won't always be flat. Reverse swing and spin will play a part. But also if the weather is cloudy in early starts , seam will and swing will be in play.

 

[hadi123]

Our bowling is extremely unpenetrative.

 

[Kianig89]

We have a pop gun attack :rana

 

[Syed1]

One strategy to possibly employ is that every time the ball goes to the outfield, fielders should throw it in on the bounce. Rough up the ball by legal means. The team that can exploit reverse swing the best will definitely have an edge.

 

[Kianig89]

For Pakistan to have any chance i.e. 0.01% chance our pacers need to pull their socks we cant compete without our pacers

 

[Stewie]

One strategy to possibly employ is that every time the ball goes to the outfield, fielders should throw it in on the bounce. Rough up the ball by legal means. The team that can exploit reverse swing the best will definitely have an edge.

All teams have been using this strategy for the last 15 years, genius..

 

[Indiafan]

Archer seems to be picking wicket by the bucketloads

 

[Stewie]

score board pressure!

 

[Stewie]

Oh what I have seen so far, Archer is easily head and shoulders above others including Rabada, Bhumrah, Boult..

He just casually jogs in and the speed reads 90mph. With his action, it’s so hard to pick the change of pace and the bounce he is getting is unbelievable..

He will definitely be the bowler of the tournament I feel.

 

[James]

Archer was awesome today. Fearsome pace and good accuracy too. Would have had Man of the Match on any other day, but for the all-round brilliance of Stokes.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

England have an extra edge in their pace attack and that is bounce. All of their bowlers are a decent height so they get a bit of extra lift. They showed today that good pitches are still not that easy for batsmen if bowlers can show discipline and some nous to go with their natural assets.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Archer was awesome today. Fearsome pace and good accuracy too. Would have had Man of the Match on any other day, but for the all-round brilliance of Stokes.

94mph. Too quick too good. Only Warner or Sharma can deal with that pace.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

score board pressure!

Exactly. We should bat first tomorrow. It's a WC chasing is not easy.

 

[Syed1]

Archer was awesome today. Fearsome pace and good accuracy too. Would have had Man of the Match on any other day, but for the all-round brilliance of Stokes.

Yeah but can he do for 10 over every match for 11 matches over the span of a month

 

[Stewie]

England have an extra edge in their pace attack and that is bounce. All of their bowlers are a decent height so they get a bit of extra lift. They showed today that good pitches are still not that easy for batsmen if bowlers can show discipline and some nous to go with their natural assets.

Well said.. even SA bowlers actually did pretty good to drag things back. At one point it looked like Eng will get to 350 plus easily.

The performance of bowlers today was in stark contrast to how our guys have performed in the eng series as well as the warmup against Afghanistan.

Our bowlers just don’t seem to have a backup plan B. Other teams seem to have plan B, C and D when they are under fire.

I am hoping for better from our bowlers or else 400 is realistic tomorrow.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly. We should bat first tomorrow. It's a WC chasing is not easy.

Somehow I feel our pace bowlers might have difficulty replicating England's efforts.

 

[shane]

I wouldn't get too excited about England's bowling. They have been consistently giving away 300+ to the likes of Pakistan. The same Pakistan who could not score against Afghanistan.

I would like to see how they go against the likes of India and NZ, two teams which, unlike SA, won't just give their wickets away under pressure.

 

[Stewie]

I wouldn't get too excited about England's bowling. They have been consistently giving away 300+ to the likes of Pakistan. The same Pakistan who could not score against Afghanistan.

I would like to see how they go against the likes of India and NZ, two teams which, unlike SA, won't just give their wickets away under pressure.

The difference is Archer. England never fielded a full strength side against us in the series and we batted pretty well as well. But I don’t expect an England team all geed up with all their key players to concede more than 320 runs. That’s a target they can easily chase.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

The whole world misses the pace of the West Indian greats including Marshall and holding
It’s so nice to see someone with the same height and flair

Tino best and fidel Edwards were good but they weren’t tall enough

 

[shane]

They even conceded 300 in the warm up game against Australia and then failed to chase it. No Archer there either, but I think he is not quite as good as SA made him look today. The hype around England has become so incredible that I cannot see them winning this. Cricket is not quite that predictable.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Rabada bottled it. They should have never gotten 311 at all. Rabada conceded 31 runs in 3 overs in the end.

 

[Stewie]

They even conceded 300 in the warm up game against Australia and then failed to chase it. No Archer there either, but I think he is not quite as good as SA made him look today. The hype around England has become so incredible that I cannot see them winning this. Cricket is not quite that predictable.

Nobody is already handing out the Cup to them, just discussing their all round balance and potential. Their bowling was considered average but they looked pretty good today with the two spinners, the pacers and all.
But most of all it’s Archer who really needs to be celebrated. The world needs fast bowlers like him to somewhat restore the balance in the game. I am getting tired sick of batsmen just running all over them these days.

 

[Stewie]

Rabada bottled it. They should have never gotten 311 at all. Rabada conceded 31 runs in 3 overs in the end.

He did. I thought Phelu and Ngidi bowled better than him. It was a bit sad..

 

[jnaveen1980]

Nobody is already handing out the Cup to them, just discussing their all round balance and potential. Their bowling was considered average but they looked pretty good today with the two spinners, the pacers and all.
But most of all it’s Archer who really needs to be celebrated. The world needs fast bowlers like him to somewhat restore the balance in the game. I am getting tired sick of batsmen just running all over them these days.

They have a team that can come back in the game even if they falter at some point. But if they run into an opposition that can match shot for shot, that is when they will have some issues. I don't expect any pitch to be overly bowler friendly here. Even spin won't be that threatening.

 

[The Viper]

Archer bowled really well, justifying England's decision to pick him. SA bowled pretty well at the death- restricting England.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think the pressure of the world cup is already making a difference. England were 200 for 3 (or something) by the 35th over and they got to 111 in the next 15 overs. Given England's recent form you expect more.
It still early days in the tournament. I think the we will see bowlers getting theirs back either due to stage fright from batsmen or as it becomes hotter and drier.

 

[shane]

Nobody is already handing out the Cup to them, just discussing their all round balance and potential. Their bowling was considered average but they looked pretty good today with the two spinners, the pacers and all.
But most of all it’s Archer who really needs to be celebrated. The world needs fast bowlers like him to somewhat restore the balance in the game. I am getting tired sick of batsmen just running all over them these days.

Personally, I am not a fan of lightning bowlers on these small grounds. Edges go for six without problems. Having said that, Shoaib Akhtar was successful in the 1999 World cup so perhaps Archer will be as effective this time. But I would not read much into a performance against South Africa.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Personally, I am not a fan of lightning bowlers on these small grounds. Edges go for six without problems. Having said that, Shoaib Akhtar was successful in the 1999 World cup so perhaps Archer will be as effective this time. But I would not read much into a performance against South Africa.

Difference is they didn't use two balls back then. Pitches were not this flatter. I am not sure what ball they used back then. Was that Kookaburra too? or Duke? Plus there was no concept of T20 approach.

 

[jonny darko]

when you tamper with the game & it's variables to suit a particular nation's agenda,

when you restrict shoulder-height, overhead bouncers, when you bring the boundary cushions further inward,

when you make gigantic-*ss bats but keep the ball same, make it even softer in case of white-kookaburra,

when you prepare absolute roads instead of 50/50 pitches (or prepare dustbowls when it suits india, roll out green-mambas when it suits NZ or keep the water-hose on when it suits ENG in Tests),

when you introduce TWO NEW Balls so that it stays HARD throughout for the batsmen to SMASH,

when you turn the game into a slog-fest on flat-beds with every rule made to push the run-rate up & up, turn the majestic game into nothing but a gimmicky circus just to bring in brain-dead fans who are foaming-at-the-mouth at the promise of another six-fest ---

then don't come here with your crocodile tears when you yourself removed the teeth & nails with modern pliers, so that no bowler dares to challenge your so-called"cricketing-gods" whom you worship like fanatics.

You wanted this, you got it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

when you tamper with the game & it's variables to suit a particular nation's agenda,

when you restrict shoulder-height, overhead bouncers, when you bring the boundary cushions further inward,

when you make gigantic-*ss bats but keep the ball same, make it even softer in case of white-kookaburra,

when you prepare absolute roads instead of 50/50 pitches (or prepare dustbowls when it suits india, roll out green-mambas when it suits NZ or keep the water-hose on when it suits ENG in Tests),

when you introduce TWO NEW Balls so that it stays HARD throughout for the batsmen to SMASH,

when you turn the game into a slog-fest on flat-beds with every rule made to push the run-rate up & up, turn the majestic game into nothing but a gimmicky circus just to bring in brain-dead fans who are foaming-at-the-mouth at the promise of another six-fest ---

then don't come here with your crocodile tears when you yourself removed the teeth & nails with modern pliers, so that no bowler dares to challenge your so-called"cricketing-gods" whom you worship like fanatics.

You wanted this, you got it.

Everything suits India, NZ, England, Australia and West Indies.

Let me guess.

You are from Pakistan and nothing suits Pakistan.

 

[Captain caveman]

Everything suits India, NZ, England, Australia and West Indies.

Let me guess.

You are from Pakistan and nothing suits Pakistan.

Pakistan cricket was predominantly based on fast reverse swing bowling. And yes, the powers that be, have removed reverse swing from odis, as much as they could. So yes, as far as bowling is concerned, nothing suits pakistan.

 

[MMHS]

Will we see better bowling in the future matches from other bowlers, or will this be the norm, with some good spell here and there

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I am sure pacers will come into the WC better than PAK-English series. Also, gradually, top pacers will get the idea of best length for these wickets, they’ll make it difficult for batsman. Even today Archer was outstanding (my MoM).

 

[James]

They even conceded 300 in the warm up game against Australia and then failed to chase it. No Archer there either, but I think he is not quite as good as SA made him look today. The hype around England has become so incredible that I cannot see them winning this. Cricket is not quite that predictable.

Root and Morgan were both not playing, and England still only lost by 12 runs. We will see what happens in the England v Australia group game.