Two new batsmen and two batsmen that are too old

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

So two new players babar and sami.....to too old misbah and younis cost us the series....this is the only reason for our loses other than awful bowling

 

[Syed1]

Sami I have never rated. He is actually performing to his potential. Blunting 20-30 balls is the peak of what we should expect from him.

As for Babar, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He does belong to the Akmal clan after all and seems to me the little bit of fame that he has received has gone to his head already. Just like his cousin Umar Akmal. Absolutely careless dismissals throughout the series.


Yk and Misbah I don't even want to discuss.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

So basically 4 batsmen and the entire bowling lineup is why we lost. That's 8 people. That's the only reason?

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Sami I have never rated. He is actually performing to his potential. Blunting 20-30 balls is the peak of what we should expect from him.

As for Babar, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He does belong to the Akmal clan after all and seems to me the little bit of fame that he has received has gone to his head already. Just like his cousin Umar Akmal. Absolutely careless dismissals throughout the series.


Yk and Misbah I don't even want to discuss.

Please stop changing your opinion about Babar man. And he is comepletely different from his cousins when it comes to temperament

 

[Belawal2014]

The only thing is, 2 of them are one their way out while 2 of them are just beginning to find their feet.

 

[MMHS]

After AUS lost the 2nd Test to SAF - there were chnages in selection committee & 6 or 7 players lost their Test spot. After losing to WI at UAE, PAK took the same team to NZ - after losing 2-0 & 9/40 in last session to lose a Test, same 16 were taken to AUS, therefore I am not sure why it's coming as a surprise?

Junaids is shouting his vocal cord out regarding 40+ YK & Misbah; but has anyone noticed that barring Yasir (as he is spinner) & Amir - all the other bowlers are at least 35 or more, in the toughest place for fast bowler, that too in a 4 bowler strategy & no batting all-rounder? What else is expected from this team, without Babar & Sami, having an official average age og almost 35 !!!!!!!!!!! Basically, PAK is out of the Test from Tea, Day 1 - if they bowl first & lunch Day 2, if they bat first.

 

[AlphaFighter]

The biggest positive for me is to see Arthur taking full control of the team now.

 

[MMHS]

The biggest positive for me is to see Arthur taking full control of the team now.

Won't happen - you can bet on that. PCB'll make Azhar Captain & he'll text Misbah from middle of the ground for his tactics.

Only way, Arthur can do that is mass cleaning - Yasir, Azhar, Asad & Sarfu only players over 30 remains in the team & he picks 4-5, U25 fast bowlers to work with Amir & rebuild the attack. That's not going to happen - if not Azhar, PCB will appoint YK as Captain or bring back MoHa to lead the side.

 

[Hasan123]

Sami I have never rated. He is actually performing to his potential. Blunting 20-30 balls is the peak of what we should expect from him.

As for Babar, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He does belong to the Akmal clan after all and seems to me the little bit of fame that he has received has gone to his head already. Just like his cousin Umar Akmal. Absolutely careless dismissals throughout the series.


Yk and Misbah I don't even want to discuss.

Lol one day Babar is better playing better than tailender Azhar Ali, the next day he has the Akmal gene. Make up your mind on him and stop posting on emotion.

He is a good young batsmen. He is going to have rough patches the only way he will get better is by playing test matches. There aren't many better in our domestic scene so better to support him instead of saying he is similar to Umar just because he fails in a couple of innings.

 

[Junaids]

After AUS lost the 2nd Test to SAF - there were chnages in selection committee & 6 or 7 players lost their Test spot. After losing to WI at UAE, PAK took the same team to NZ - after losing 2-0 & 9/40 in last session to lose a Test, same 16 were taken to AUS, therefore I am not sure why it's coming as a surprise?

Junaids is shouting his vocal cord out regarding 40+ YK & Misbah; but has anyone noticed that barring Yasir (as he is spinner) & Amir - all the other bowlers are at least 35 or more, in the toughest place for fast bowler, that too in a 4 bowler strategy & no batting all-rounder? What else is expected from this team, without Babar & Sami, having an official average age og almost 35 !!!!!!!!!!! Basically, PAK is out of the Test from Tea, Day 1 - if they bowl first & lunch Day 2, if they bat first.

Well said.

Nobody ever comments on the rampant age cheating of Pakistan cricketers.

And I think Mickey Arthur has probably learned from Geoff Lawson that the biggest problem facing him is that his team is actually much, much older than the players' official ages.

I can't stop laughing each time the TV coverage tells me that Sami Aslam was "21" a fortnight ago.

There is a useful core in this team: Aslam, Azhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Amir and Yasir.

But the squad has really been handicapped by being absolutely ancient.

Australia has 1 player aged 30, the rest are in their twenties.

Pakistan has Babar, Amir and Aslam who are in their twenties.

 

[Deception]

Massive cleaning require in Test team i hope now Mickey gets the full control and turns the whole thing upside down.

 

[Shafi]

Sami I have never rated. He is actually performing to his potential. Blunting 20-30 balls is the peak of what we should expect from him.

As for Babar, as they say, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. He does belong to the Akmal clan after all and seems to me the little bit of fame that he has received has gone to his head already. Just like his cousin Umar Akmal. Absolutely careless dismissals throughout the series.


Yk and Misbah I don't even want to discuss.

Fully agree!!!! Sami is a total rubbish and Babar is not good enough to play test. Asad is not good to play few good innings in a row

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Babar at least doesn't play like he's scared. Sami looks scared all the time.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

not every batsmen scores everyday....Sami, babar early into their test career and falls in this category of not avg 50 every inns.... but it is not the same what been expected from the seniors YK and Misbah... Seniors are expected to avg atleast 40-45+ in every inns as they have years of experience...which Azhar and Asad have delivered but YK and misbah failed to do so and pak lost 4 in a row now...

 

[Pete Rose]

I never criticize method because it has worked. It doesn't mean some of the things he does are not questionable rather you don't argue with success. But I think there are a few things that come to mind:
1 - pakistan has been poorly since the windies series
2 - I really do feel that the shafiq change and then rechange and then putting babar one down hasn't worked out perfectly
3 - misbah has always played cricket under the philosophy that you need to keep absorbing pressure until the opposition is tired and that's when you strike: and it has worked for large parts of his captaincy
4 - but I think when pakistan in recent matches look to bat for a session, this pressure gets magnified because there is no release mechanism: there is no room for error, for you are required to keep absorbing pressure and wait for a mistake.
5 - matches like today and last day of NZ second match: the opposition actually had nothing to lose so they were relentless
6 - so while I think there are many positives to carry from misbahs era (namely our batting renaissance) I hope we evolve to have a player or two whose job it is to negate this pressure by being a bit more positive. I thought babar Azam might be that player, maybe he is. But I do think they can use sharjeel in the test line up and preferably higher up the order.

 

[srh]

The 2 young batsmen (Sami and Babar) are not that good in domestic FC cricket in the first place so it was wrong to expect them that they will overachieve in Test cricket.

Regarding the 2 old batsmen (YK and Misbah), both have slow down with age especially Misbah.

 

[Markhor]

We only have two in-form batsman in Azhar and Shafiq. Sarfraz is making pretty 40s and 50s before getting out which is useless in Tests, albeit to some good balls. We should've in hindsight stuck it out with Shafiq at 3 and given Babar an easier transition into Test cricket at 6. Putting him at 3 in his first international Test tours in New Zealand and Australia was throwing him into the lion's den.

Sami Aslam seems lacking in self-belief. People were hyping his impressive List A record and all the shots he had yet has been doing an impression of Chris Tavare. I'd stick with him as he has scored runs in challenging conditions in England and New Zealand but he needs to avoid getting bogged down at the crease.

Younis and Misbah look completely out of sorts. When players known for being excellent against spin are losing cheap wickets to Lyon you know there's something wrong. The England tour took a lot out of Misbah - that was his one last push. He said himself he was considering retiring after the England series in UAE but stuck around for the England tour upon the insistence of the PCB. Even then, I can still understand them staying on as Australia is a baptism of fire for any youngster but clearly they've reached the end.

However PPers should be under no illusions. Pakistan are not producing a lot of quality bats in domestic, partly due to terrible grassroots coaching but also due to the low bounce underprepared filth that PCB curators call "pitches" so let's not pretend we have Laras or Pontings waiting in the wings that were just being blocked by the two stalwarts.

We can always name X or Y player but batting collapses in Australia have been a fixture of Pakistan cricket no matter who's played. Fawad has his limitations as a player whilst Haris Sohail is perenially unfit. On the bright side, 2017 brings an easier fixture list for Pakistan and is the ideal transition year to test youngsters.

 

[Dark Magician]

Well said.

Nobody ever comments on the rampant age cheating of Pakistan cricketers.

And I think Mickey Arthur has probably learned from Geoff Lawson that the biggest problem facing him is that his team is actually much, much older than the players' official ages.

I can't stop laughing each time the TV coverage tells me that Sami Aslam was "21" a fortnight ago.

There is a useful core in this team: Aslam, Azhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Amir and Yasir.

But the squad has really been handicapped by being absolutely ancient.

Australia has 1 player aged 30, the rest are in their twenties.

Pakistan has Babar, Amir and Aslam who are in their twenties.

Butt
Aslan
Azhar
Babar
Shafiq
Harris/Umar Akmal/
Safraz
Amir
Khan
Yasir
Riaz

That's your upcoming team?

 

[Junaids]

Butt
Aslan
Azhar
Babar
Shafiq
Harris/Umar Akmal/
Safraz
Amir
Khan
Yasir
Riaz

That's your upcoming team?

How many times must I repeat that Asif and Butt were horses-for-courses stopgap selections for Australia.

And that going forward I'd rather pick Imam.

 

[hadi123]

We have to keep these two in our future squads at least. Best young talents in Pakistan

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

So basically 4 batsmen and the entire bowling lineup is why we lost. That's 8 people. That's the only reason?

I'm not talking about people but about reasons

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

So basically 4 batsmen and the entire bowling lineup is why we lost. That's 8 people. That's the only reason?

The 2 young batsmen (Sami and Babar) are not that good in domestic FC cricket in the first place so it was wrong to expect them that they will overachieve in Test cricket.

Regarding the 2 old batsmen (YK and Misbah), both have slow down with age especially Misbah.

Exactly what I'm saying...So,we should not worry about future test batting line.
Sami and Babar will become good and hopefully two good batsmen will replace two stalwarts....and don't feel sad why our batting line failed in last few tests as it was above said two reasons. So, faliure was bound to happen.

 

[MMHS]

Well said.

Nobody ever comments on the rampant age cheating of Pakistan cricketers.

And I think Mickey Arthur has probably learned from Geoff Lawson that the biggest problem facing him is that his team is actually much, much older than the players' official ages.

I can't stop laughing each time the TV coverage tells me that Sami Aslam was "21" a fortnight ago.

There is a useful core in this team: Aslam, Azhar, Babar, Sarfraz, Amir and Yasir.

But the squad has really been handicapped by being absolutely ancient.

Australia has 1 player aged 30, the rest are in their twenties.

Pakistan has Babar, Amir and Aslam who are in their twenties.

Age cheating is not new in Asia as there is no initiatives by respective sports administration - may be SRL is in better situation & AFG/PAK worst. But, you can always factor that in your selection process. I have written several times on "Khan's Scouting" - basically he won't pick any pacer over "official" 30 & debut anyone 20. His pacers (bowlers) were super talented at "tender age" - debuted before 20 & lost hunger by 30.

Much lower scope, but more or less in Bangladesh, BCB doesn't pick any pacer over 29/30. And, BCCI has gone to that standard as well. Problem is, everyone in PAK/PCB knows it - they just don't care about fitness or stamina. Unfortunately - Misbah & YK are used as example for the wrong reason in this regard. First, they are not fast bowlers, then they travelled to AUS once in 6 years.


I don't take any problem on it's face value - rather I try to find the reason from root cause. For me, the bigger problem is not which player was picked or whom not - rather I see this one from different perspectives - domestic wickets, FC system, age cheating, poor combination. Unless these are sorted; changing players or coaches won't help much.

 

[Justcrazy]

Pakistan selectors will destroy the team.

In Talk shows cricketers like Saqlain and others speak pure nonsense. Its really ridiculous to see same team playing in three different conditions and loosing and still no changes.

 

[Syed1]

We have to keep these two in our future squads at least. Best young talents in Pakistan

Sami is best young talent? )



In that case, may God have His mercy on us. We are doomed.