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U-19 Asia Cup 2017 | Malaysia | Nov 10-19, 2017 | Discussion Thread (Pakistan to meet Afg in final)

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Pakistan U19 in a tense run-chase in their game against Sri Lanka U19; Target is 142 and Pak U19 are 69/3 (14.2 Ovs), need 73 runs to win #ACCU19YAC #Cricket
 
Another 69 runs needed. Pakistan’s run rate is quite good under circumstances.

If Pak win, all theee teams of Pak,SL and AFG (given they defeat UAE) will have 2 wins. Are there bonus points here? And what about net RR and victories against eachother?
 
Rohail is the key here, and Hasan Khan of course, if it’s the same Hasan who played last WC as well.
 
Our batting is too weak. We are struggling to play full 50 overs last match against weaker UAE.
 
another drop catch said:
Bangladesh u19 team seems stronger in this asiacup
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They were defeated at home recently by AFG, 4-1, according to another poster here, so I don’t think they are the strongest. Going by results so far I think SL is the strongest here.
Batting first today they got 140, not bad at all and they defeated AFG easily who crushed Pak. Toss is vital here it seems and Pakistan should have played some matches before this cup.
Pakistan can still win the whole cup in sha Allah!
 
57 runs needed with 6 wickets in hand. Should win it from here, only a grand choke can hurt us.
 
IAJ said:
They were defeated at home recently by AFG, 4-1, according to another poster here, so I don’t think they are the strongest. Going by results so far I think SL is the strongest here.
Batting first today they got 140, not bad at all and they defeated AFG easily who crushed Pak. Toss is vital here it seems and Pakistan should have played some matches before this cup.
Pakistan can still win the whole cup in sha Allah!
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People are too hell bent on winning at the junior level. tbh, success at u19 does not guarantee any success at the senior level. I actually agree with Rahul David here that the age group cricket is all about learning about the game then winning. Also, there is enough a kid can learn from a loss as a win. So even if any of these young guns don't win, it should not be taken too seriously as long as they are ready to learn from it.
 
Sidilicious said:
People are too hell bent on winning at the junior level. tbh, success at u19 does not guarantee any success at the senior level. I actually agree with Rahul David here that the age group cricket is all about learning about the game then winning. Also, there is enough a kid can learn from a loss as a win. So even if any of these young guns don't win, it should not be taken too seriously as long as they are ready to learn from it.
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I agree with that.

My post was a reply to another poster :)
 
Hard earned win at the end. Batting is way too weak, need to fix it ASAP
 
Close Call!

Hardwork for Pakistan U19 but they defeat Sri Lanka U19 by 3 wickets; Rohail Nazir top scores with 48; Scores : Sri Lanka U19 141 (49.4 Ovs); Pakistan U19 142/7 (32.1 Ovs) #ACCU19YAC #Cricket
 
MenInG said:
Close Call!

Hardwork for Pakistan U19 but they defeat Sri Lanka U19 by 3 wickets; Rohail Nazir top scores with 48; Scores : Sri Lanka U19 141 (49.4 Ovs); Pakistan U19 142/7 (32.1 Ovs) #ACCU19YAC #Cricket
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Who bowled well for pakistan?
 
Well done Pakistan. Batting first we would have lost this match easily.
 
India u19 187-8 after 32 overs vs Bangladeshu19
salman khan top scored with 39*
3-43 for robiul haque from 6 overs
match reduced to 32 overs per innings
 
Afg vs UAE :
Afgu19 144-3 in 14 overs
match reduced to 20 over per side
rasooli batting on 51 off just 17 balls with 4 fours and 5 sixes
 
Rasooli of Afghanistan u19 scored 105 notout off just 38 balls with 7 fours and 10 sixes
weaker opposition(UAE) but still scoring 100 in just 37 balls is just fabulous
Afg scored 224-3 in 20 overs
UAE are 21-4 after 6 overs
 
Pak vs Ban ,Afg vs Nep
Looks like the semis would be of this order.How on earth have Ind played so poorly though?
 
Yup definitely not the best team but there were some good players who have represented India U19 before too so they should be really disappointed.They had players like Abhishek Sharma,Himanshu Rana,Shiva Singh,Salman and few others who have been consistently playing but they just have been poor in this tournament
 
another drop catch said:
Worst team selected by BCCI
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definitely not the best team but there were some good players who have represented India U19 before too so they should be really disappointed.They had players like Abhishek Sharma,Himanshu Rana,Shiva Singh,Salman and few others who have been consistently playing but they just have been poor in this tournament
 
Bangladesh knock India out of the tournament.

Were India playing their full-strength team in this tournament? Don't see Prithvi Shaw playing?
 
Well done Bangladesh.
Bangladesh was a new under team this time around. It was not our full strength squad. Still won it like a boss.

So a good job done, boys!!
 
Dios said:
Bangladesh knock India out of the tournament.

Were India playing their full-strength team in this tournament? Don't see Prithvi Shaw playing?
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You are behaving as if, Shaw is the only good under 19 batsman of India :)) . Abhishek Sharma,Himanshu Rana,Shiva Singh,Salman khan etc were there and are regulars.

Even Bangladesh didn't play their best under 19 bats like Shanto and Zakir. It was us who were not full strength this time around still won it easily.
 
Most surprising team is the Nepal team - won’t be surprised if they win the cup!!! They beat IND, crashed hosts and lost a tight match against us on DWL finish.

However, if their team is like their Captain, then I guess they have wrapped their national team in U19 pack.
 
MMHS said:
Most surprising team is the Nepal team - won’t be surprised if they win the cup!!! They beat IND, crashed hosts and lost a tight match against us on DWL finish.

However, if their team is like their Captain, then I guess they have wrapped their national team in U19 pack.
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I think Associate teams are allowed to play their u-23 players . if i am not mistaken same rule was last time and Afghanistan won that tournament .
 
Naim said:
I think Associate teams are allowed to play their u-23 players . if i am not mistaken same rule was last time and Afghanistan won that tournament .
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In WC, they are given 1 year handicap (U20), not sure about this one.

1/2 years in it probably can be questioned for most every team including BD (but BCB normally don’t pick U19, rather picks U18 players - those who cross 19 officially, hardly ever played in U19 level), but Afghans & Nepalese are taking it to next level.

I for someone don’t buy the idea of genetically superior breed, because I have lived in 5 continents - can filter men from boys without genetic codes. I have seen more Afghan kids & boys than most here - so, it’s tough to sell 18 years old Rashid Khan to me....

For age level cricket, this is the biggest factor because of the learning curve & physical growth - it doesn’t matter much if a 29 years old plays as 23; but there should be a ocean wide gap between same player at 18/19 and 23, may not be much in skills but that’s only one part of cricket.

In football, no matter how talented a generation can be, I have hardly seen U19s beating even U20s of same country. In France, in their Clarifontain (best football academy in world by some margin), they do play practice matches among cross generations - result hardly comes as surprise... this is the biggest reason almost every FIFA age level tournament is dominated by Africans and Latins.
 
MMHS said:
In WC, they are given 1 year handicap (U20), not sure about this one.

1/2 years in it probably can be questioned for most every team including BD (but BCB normally don’t pick U19, rather picks U18 players - those who cross 19 officially, hardly ever played in U19 level), but Afghans & Nepalese are taking it to next level.

I for someone don’t buy the idea of genetically superior breed, because I have lived in 5 continents - can filter men from boys without genetic codes. I have seen more Afghan kids & boys than most here - so, it’s tough to sell 18 years old Rashid Khan to me....

For age level cricket, this is the biggest factor because of the learning curve & physical growth - it doesn’t matter much if a 29 years old plays as 23; but there should be a ocean wide gap between same player at 18/19 and 23, may not be much in skills but that’s only one part of cricket.

In football, no matter how talented a generation can be, I have hardly seen U19s beating even U20s of same country. In France, in their Clarifontain (best football academy in world by some margin), they do play practice matches among cross generations - result hardly comes as surprise... this is the biggest reason almost every FIFA age level tournament is dominated by Africans and Latins.
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Not this year. Its been England all the way :bhajji
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="in" dir="ltr">Asian Cricket Council Under 19 Youth Asia Cup 2017 semi-finalists:<br>Pakistan<br>Afghanistan<br>Bangladesh<br>Nepal<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/930417495676260352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2017</a></blockquote>
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MMHS said:
Most surprising team is the Nepal team - won’t be surprised if they win the cup!!! They beat IND, crashed hosts and lost a tight match against us on DWL finish.

However, if their team is like their Captain, then I guess they have wrapped their national team in U19 pack.
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Associates are usually allowed to play u-20 teams in u-19 tournaments
 
Does anyone have any information about taha khan? Seems to be a decent batting all rounder looking from the scorecards. Plus he has hit quite a few sixes as well. Had a very good u19 pentengular too.
 
Khan12 said:
Does anyone have any information about taha khan? Seems to be a decent batting all rounder looking from the scorecards. Plus he has hit quite a few sixes as well. Had a very good u19 pentengular too.
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He played for Karachi U-19 team. One of the highest run scorer and wicket taker for Karachi U-19.
 
MMHS said:
In WC, they are given 1 year handicap (U20), not sure about this one.

1/2 years in it probably can be questioned for most every team including BD (but BCB normally don’t pick U19, rather picks U18 players - those who cross 19 officially, hardly ever played in U19 level), but Afghans & Nepalese are taking it to next level.

I for someone don’t buy the idea of genetically superior breed, because I have lived in 5 continents - can filter men from boys without genetic codes. I have seen more Afghan kids & boys than most here - so, it’s tough to sell 18 years old Rashid Khan to me....

For age level cricket, this is the biggest factor because of the learning curve & physical growth - it doesn’t matter much if a 29 years old plays as 23; but there should be a ocean wide gap between same player at 18/19 and 23, may not be much in skills but that’s only one part of cricket.

In football, no matter how talented a generation can be, I have hardly seen U19s beating even U20s of same country. In France, in their Clarifontain (best football academy in world by some margin), they do play practice matches among cross generations - result hardly comes as surprise... this is the biggest reason almost every FIFA age level tournament is dominated by Africans and Latins.
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Latin American football teams are not known for cheating with their ages.
Brazil and Argentina are the most successful u.20 world champions which is pretty natural as those nations produce the best football talent as well.

Only one African team has ever won.
 
MMHS said:
In WC, they are given 1 year handicap (U20), not sure about this one.

1/2 years in it probably can be questioned for most every team including BD (but BCB normally don’t pick U19, rather picks U18 players - those who cross 19 officially, hardly ever played in U19 level), but Afghans & Nepalese are taking it to next level.

I for someone don’t buy the idea of genetically superior breed, because I have lived in 5 continents - can filter men from boys without genetic codes. I have seen more Afghan kids & boys than most here - so, it’s tough to sell 18 years old Rashid Khan to me....

For age level cricket, this is the biggest factor because of the learning curve & physical growth - it doesn’t matter much if a 29 years old plays as 23; but there should be a ocean wide gap between same player at 18/19 and 23, may not be much in skills but that’s only one part of cricket.

In football, no matter how talented a generation can be, I have hardly seen U19s beating even U20s of same country. In France, in their Clarifontain (best football academy in world by some margin), they do play practice matches among cross generations - result hardly comes as surprise... this is the biggest reason almost every FIFA age level tournament is dominated by Africans and Latins.
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Your entire post is basically conjecture.

ACC has been testing the players' ages for more than a decade now. For example, look at this tournament where a number of teams were disqualified way back in 2006: http://www.asiancricket.org/index.php/tournaments/acc-u-15-cup-2006-elite-division

There are childhood pictures of Rashid from the early to mid 2000s. He has always had an older looking face: https://imgur.com/LOAjZiN
 
thelandofthebravepeople said:
Latin American football teams are not known for cheating with their ages.
Brazil and Argentina are the most successful u.20 world champions which is pretty natural as those nations produce the best football talent as well.

Only one African team has ever won.
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Why you are considering "domination" means winning titles only? Check what African teams are doing in FIFA WC at QF and above level and what they are doing in U20 & U17 level. Brazil, Germany, Argentina & Italy has won 15 of the 20 WCs, Nigeria & Ghana has won 7 or 8 U17 WC ......

Among Latin countries, Brazil, Mexico, Chile, Colombia & Argentina are most developed - probably each at least has once been penalized for age cheating; Mexico has missed a WC & Colombia as well (?).
 
nighthawk23 said:
Your entire post is basically conjecture.

ACC has been testing the players' ages for more than a decade now. For example, look at this tournament where a number of teams were disqualified way back in 2006: http://www.asiancricket.org/index.php/tournaments/acc-u-15-cup-2006-elite-division

There are childhood pictures of Rashid from the early to mid 2000s. He has always had an older looking face: https://imgur.com/LOAjZiN
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Disqualification happens if there is a discrepancy of players date of birth in multiple documents submitted - do you have any record to prove that team (s) were disqualified because couple of players were found to be over aged via testing?

Please post a picture of Rashid Khan with date on the film, without beating about the bush, then we'll talk. This Nepal captain was also bay faced in some days, some years back.
 
Someone said:
And i thought Shaheen Afridi is next Wasim Akram.. BIG lol
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He can be, you never know; this is just U19 cricket. If he is genuine 17 he has every tool to become someone (there won't ever be a 2nd Wasim Akram).

Besides, these 2 openers can be someone as well in future.
 
Saif should be our Test opener against SRL & WI early next year (after U19 WC) - kid averages 48 as opener in FC. Pinak is probably the next man in ODI team.

Form this team, Afif also might make the WC 2019 squad.
 
MMHS said:
Saif should be our Test opener against SRL & WI early next year (after U19 WC) - kid averages 48 as opener in FC. Pinak is probably the next man in ODI team.

Form this team, Afif also might make the WC 2019 squad.
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Which team has most experience players?
 
In the same pitch we would have all out under 200. Our bowling looks too average. Even Nepal and UAE did better than us
 
Shafi said:
Which team has most experience players?
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I think, this BD side is quite experienced, because BCB is building this team for next U19 WC, from last year.

Normally, it works in a 2 year cycle - they dropped almost every player after 2016 tournament (I think only 2 retained - Saif & Pinak), and most players were officially 16-17 in next series after WC '16 & they are playing together for almost 2 years now. Almost, every player from this team knows that WC is their last match at age level cricket.
 
MMHS said:
I think, this BD side is quite experienced, because BCB is building this team for next U19 WC, from last year.

Normally, it works in a 2 year cycle - they dropped almost every player after 2016 tournament (I think only 2 retained - Saif & Pinak), and most players were officially 16-17 in next series after WC '16 & they are playing together for almost 2 years now. Almost, every player from this team knows that WC is their last match at age level cricket.
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How about Pakistan team?
 
DRsohail said:
200 plus and bangladesh will easily win,this pak batting is too fragile,
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Probably a better wicket - we should reach 300+ However, if set, Pinak, Saif, Hridoy & Afif are really sweet striker of the ball.
 
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