UK Election results 2019: Boris Johnson returns to power with big majority [Post#486]

[liam26]

The rising intolerance in the West and in India is basically a leveler to the butchering of minorities in Muslim countries.

For very long, Muslim immigrants would thrive in tolerant societies outside their countries of origin and take advantage of their freedom whilst advocating for religious laws in their home countries.

It was inevitable that this arrangement was eventually going to end one day. While some of the western countries may not be the best places to live anymore, one can hope that this inevitable rising intolerance would make the Muslim countries as well as the Muslim immigrants realize that the time has come for them to giving minorities their due rights.

After all, you only feel the pain of others when you can relate to them. Look at what is happening in India now.

We (Pakistanis) strongly condemn the rising Hindu nationalism and the Muslim discrimination, but what we don’t realize is that they are only following our footsteps.

For 72 years, we have treated the Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis in the same fashion as they treating Muslims now.

One can hope that this would make our leaders understand the implications and the significance of discriminating against the minorities.

Thats right, maybe its Karma. Muslims will find it difficult to continue to enjoy equal rights in countries where they are in minority and then implement Sharia and Islam to discriminate against minorities when in Majority.

 

[Mamoon]

Thats right, maybe its Karma. Muslims will find it difficult to continue to enjoy equal rights in countries where they are in minority and then implement Sharia and Islam to discriminate against minorities when in Majority.

It has been a long time coming and it is well deserved as well. We needed a taste of our own medicine to mend our ways.

I am usually not an optimist but I believe that this could spur Muslim countries to take better care of their minorities.

Moreover, we won’t have instances of religious scholars criticizing western freedom before running to western countries when they receive death threats.

 

[Technics 1210]

Wrong thread. This is not a thread for anti-Pakistani bile, but UK politics

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The rising intolerance in the West and in India is basically a leveler to the butchering of minorities in Muslim countries.

For very long, Muslim immigrants would thrive in tolerant societies outside their countries of origin and take advantage of their freedom whilst advocating for religious laws in their home countries.

It was inevitable that this arrangement was eventually going to end one day. While some of the western countries may not be the best places to live anymore, one can hope that this inevitable rising intolerance would make the Muslim countries as well as the Muslim immigrants realize that the time has come for them to giving minorities their due rights.

After all, you only feel the pain of others when you can relate to them. Look at what is happening in India now.

We (Pakistanis) strongly condemn the rising Hindu nationalism and the Muslim discrimination, but what we don’t realize is that they are only following our footsteps.

For 72 years, we have treated the Hindus, Christians and Ahmadis in the same fashion as they treating Muslims now.

One can hope that this would make our leaders understand the implications and the significance of discriminating against the minorities.

I have no idea about the intolerance of Muslims towards minorities in other countries, and I doubt most people in this country do either. We only know what happens here, and for the most part Muslims are fairly well behaved. The main objection would that they look different and dress differently, and with their halal shops and the rest of it, can change the look and feel of a city.

This is something that we are addressing now, but of course it will apply to other minorities too, and don't worry, their turn will come.

 

[KingKhanWC]

there was a time I used to think the same way and I stopped voting. I would vote in the local elections because it effected local issues like local education, roads,etc. I will still vote for councillors.

I only voted in this election because there was a chance that the Hindu right could have effected the outcome. Next time I will see if the same happens.

On a national level i agree with you. It is a futile effort. Better to work on the ground and help people you can, vote locally and look after your community/family. At the same time have a backup plan to migrate of required.

I only voted for the best outcome for the country and never on a personal level. It makes no difference to my personal life whoever is in charge.

The people of this country have chosen a right wing as PM, good luck to them for the future.

 

[irfan]

I only voted for the best outcome for the country and never on a personal level. It makes no difference to my personal life whoever is in charge.

The people of this country have chosen a right wing as PM, good luck to them for the future.

Same here, I will probably do better financially under a Tory govt than Labour whose tax policies would have affected me, but I chose to think of communities and the overall country first. I have grown up in northern working class areas and if I'm honest most are flag waving, nationalist bordering on xenophobia types who are socially conservative/right wing, Corbyn is too much of an internationalist for them. As you say good luck to them under the Tories.

 

[shaz619]

This bit was also in the Labour manifesto:

Conduct an audit of the impact of Britain’s colonial legacy to understand our contribution to the dynamics of violence and insecurity across regions

I thought of [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] straight away reading that and was like that's a vote right there from him

 

[shaykh]

Corbyn kind of reminded me of that 18 year old you meet at uni...lots of fanciful ideas but little of substance...the fact he lost so miserably to a candidate as poor as Boris tells you all you need to know...

We know he was a leaver but was obviously not in a position to express that so instead did even worse by not expressing a view...his whole stance over Brexit has been incredibly incompetent...

He has 0 charisma which is an important quality to have...whatever you think of Blair he had that in abundance...

His performance on the Andrew Neil show was a travesty...he showed he just can't think on his feet...his answers were shocking...

When dealing with the Waspi issue he was asked how it would be funded...and he responded by calling it a moral duty...yes ok...but that wasn't the question...

When challenged on figures and projections he used the worst buzzword...borrowing...

When challenged on security he showed his political naivety...even if he believes those convicted of terror offences should be eligible for parole half way through their sentences...he shouldn't have said it...the way he dealt with the ISIS questions were terrible too...

With the Anti-semitism thing...he had a very easy out...he could have pointed to the fact that the Rabbi is a supporter of the conservative party...instead he said 'I will chat to him and ask him why he's saying that.'

They promised lots of changes but couldn't articulate themselves at all...

The playing the class clash position was an awful strategy...the targeting of the upper classes while telling the poor they are poor because of people with money was an easy way to alienate the middle classes...

His answers on Scotland were terrible...

So much more can be said about how incompetent a campaign Labour ran...to suggest it was just Brexit is lazy...to suggest he lost cos of the media is equally lazy...but even if we are to accept that then its just a further show of how poorly Labour addressed it...

Had me missing Blair actually and I never thought I would say that...the quality of political discourse and political candidates appears to be at an all time low at the moment...

 

[JaDed]

This bit was also in the Labour manifesto:



I thought of [MENTION=137142]JaDed[/MENTION] straight away reading that and was like that's a vote right there from him

Lmao@ insecurity? I would pay to see Boris rule one more term Shaz! He is going to have the greatest legacy...

 

[Robert]

I dont care now.

I will never be voting again.

People are fooled into think the UK has free and fair elections. It does not, the media spread lies, disinformation knowing the majority of people living here are too stupid to think and research for themselves.

Only a zionist boot licker will be given power. No man like JC will ever get close.

Yeah, we require our Prime Ministers to have brains and skills. Corbyn lost - twice - due to his transparently obvious incompetence.

 

[James]

One thing is for sure, I don’t think a British politician will ever dare bring up Israel & Palestine again. It is a zero-sum game. One is either labelled as a rabid Zionist or a vehement antisemite (when both labels are usually inaccurate)...

 

[MenInG]

One thing is for sure, I don’t think a British politician will ever dare bring up Israel & Palestine again. It is a zero-sum game. One is either labelled as a rabid Zionist or a vehement antisemite (when both labels are usually inaccurate)...

Spot on and hope lesson learnt for all.

 

[Pakistanian]

One thing is for sure, I don’t think a British politician will ever dare bring up Israel & Palestine again. It is a zero-sum game. One is either labelled as a rabid Zionist or a vehement antisemite (when both labels are usually inaccurate)...

Pro-Israeli politicians are the status quo in the west, they aren't going away anytime soon.

 

[Robert]

One thing is for sure, I don’t think a British politician will ever dare bring up Israel & Palestine again. It is a zero-sum game. One is either labelled as a rabid Zionist or a vehement antisemite (when both labels are usually inaccurate)...

Digital thinking is so prevalent now. Nuance is being lost. It’s the same in the transgender debate. Whatever you say, either some TG activists or some radfems will pour vituperation on you. I was told I was in the wrong party for asking an innocent question about female safe spaces.

 

[Robert]

The country has voted for Brexit the second time. Labour lost because they offered a second referendum, LDs lost because they offered to revoke A50.

Chukka, Anna, Dominic et al have been silenced. This is the end of Remain, and perhaps the birth of Rejoin.

I don’t think Rejoin will get any traction for at least ten years. We are leaving the EU. The argument is now about the least damaging form of Brexit.

 

[MenInG]

Northern Ireland Secretary Julian Smith and Business Secretary Andrea Leadsom are among the early casualties as Boris Johnson begins a cabinet reshuffle.

Housing Minister Esther McVey and Environment Secretary Theresa Villiers are also out of the government.

Attorney General Geoffrey Cox, who attended cabinet, has resigned.

Senior figures such as Chancellor Sajid Javid, Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab and Home Secretary Priti Patel are expected to remain in place.

Most of the cabinet were appointed when Mr Johnson became prime minister in July.

The prime minister left his cabinet largely untouched following the Conservative Party's decisive election victory in December, pending what sources suggested at the time would be a more significant overhaul after the UK left the EU on 31 January.

Mr Johnson is expected to make changes at junior ministerial level - namely parliamentary under-secretaries of state - that could see a 50/50 gender balance in a push to promote female talent.

Education minister Chris Skidmore and transport ministers Nus Ghani and George Freeman have been sacked.

There are expected to be promotions for a number of female MPs in government, including Anne-Marie Trevelyan, Suella Braverman and Gillian Keegan.

Cabinet Office Minister Oliver Dowden and International Development Secretary Alok Sharma are also expected to get more prominent roles.

When she was re-appointed as Culture Secretary in December, Nicky Morgan said she only expected to stay in the role for a couple of months, having stood down as an MP at the election and appointed a peer.

Among more junior ministers, those tipped for promotion include Victoria Atkins, Oliver Dowden, Kwasi Kwarteng and Lucy Frazer, while Stephen Barclay could make a quick return to cabinet after his role as Brexit Secretary was scrapped following the UK's departure from the EU.

Mr Johnson is expected to appoint a new minister to oversee the building of the HS2 rail line, final approval for which was given this week.

He also needs to find someone to run the COP26 climate summit in Glasgow later this year after its previous president Claire Perry O'Neill was sacked, and two former Tory leaders, David Cameron and Lord Hague, rejected the job.

In a statement confirming his resignation as the government's most senior law officer, Mr Cox said: "I have been truly privileged to have served as attorney general during the recent turbulent political times."

In a statement on her Facebook page, Ms Villiers said: "What the prime minister giveth, the prime minister taketh away: just over six months ago, I was delighted to be invited by the prime minister to return to government after three years on the back benches.

"This morning he told me that I need to make way for someone new."

She said she was "sad" no longer to be a part of the cabinet, but she said the prime minister would continue to have her "full support".

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51474171

 

[Firebat]

'Almost certain' Russians sought to interfere in 2019 UK election - Raab

"Russian actors" almost certainly sought to interfere in the 2019 UK election through illicitly acquired documents, the government has said.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said any attempt to meddle in UK democracy was "completely unacceptable".

The documents - on UK-US trade discussions - emerged online and were used by Labour in the 2019 campaign.

A much-delayed report into allegations of wider Russian interference into UK democracy is due next week.

A Downing Street spokesman dismissed as "nonsense" suggestions that the timing of Mr Raab's statement was aimed at pre-empting the publication of the Russia report by the intelligence and security committee.

At the 2019 election, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the documents proved the Conservatives were planning to include the NHS in a future trade agreement - something denied by the government.

The government launched an inquiry into how the papers got into the public domain, with help from the National Cyber Security Centre.

Spoiler

'No evidence'

In a written statement, Mr Raab said that the documents were "illicitly acquired before the 2019 general election and disseminated online via the social media platform Reddit".

"When these gained no traction, further attempts were made to promote the illicitly acquired material online in the run up to the general election."

The foreign secretary goes on to say that there is "no evidence of a broad spectrum Russian campaign against the general election" but that "any attempt to interfere in our democratic processes is completely unacceptable".

A criminal investigation is underway about how the documents were acquired.

The forum website Reddit said the unredacted papers had been uploaded as "part of a campaign that has been reported as originating from Russia".

It suspended 61 accounts that showed a "pattern of coordination".

The leaked documents of UK-US trade negotiations became a key part of Labour's election message on the NHS.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53433523