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Ultimatum to the poor: risk your life or starve

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As the calls for the public to get back to work grow it becomes evident that the greed of the few trumps the health of the masses.

In basic terms, the wealthy who own the companies can afford to self-isolate in perfect safety. Yet they will force their workers to return for the simple reason of topping up their coffers. If they don’t they face bankruptcy or starvation.

Same goes for the religious folk who are resisting lockdown. You take traffic away from the mosque you take money from their collections and lose the ears they talk to, to maintain their sphere of influence.

Something to ponder.
 
It is a tricky situation.

If workers don't go to work, some of them can starve. If they go to work, it can be a health hazard.

I think it is not very black and white. Every country/area has different situation.
 
It is a tricky situation.

If workers don't go to work, some of them can starve. If they go to work, it can be a health hazard.

I think it is not very black and white. Every country/area has different situation.

The question is why are they facing this ultimatum?

How can a system allow it to happen?

These are questions we should all be asking.
 
1 in 6 die of hunger.

It makes no sense to kill people in another way. Lockdowns and safety can only be sensible if they save lives overall. When the rate of deaths decreases the lockdown should be stopped.

We dont even know the full extent of child abuse taking place right now!
 
1 in 6 die of hunger.

It makes no sense to kill people in another way. Lockdowns and safety can only be sensible if they save lives overall. When the rate of deaths decreases the lockdown should be stopped.

We dont even know the full extent of child abuse taking place right now!

The question isn’t what will happen but why?

Why are 1 in 6 allowed to die of hunger, when you have billionaires?
 
I agree with you. System is broken.

Wealth gap between top 1% and 99% is massive.

Yet, the 1% will force the 99% to risk their lives and most shockingly of all, there will be widespread support for this.
 
The question isn’t what will happen but why?

Why are 1 in 6 allowed to die of hunger, when you have billionaires?

This is a deep question but in the end it boils down to 'more bad people in the world than good'. When people dont stand up for others and become selfish, worrying about their own interests this is what happens.

The problem is most are so brainwashed by 'YOLO' (You only live once), Live life to the full, Its My life etc etc. Why would anyone want to help others if they are eating well, sleeping well, travelling the globe, wearing good clothes, driving nice cars etc? Materialism is the new religion of the world.

Being rich isnt an issue but it is when you keep all your wealth and do not share it. Those who do share it , share a very tiny percentage. The billionaires between them can solve all hunger, all thirst and all poverty by simply giving 2% of their wealth. £20Million is 2 % of a billion. There are 2,153 billionaires(approx) in the world. 20 x 2153 = enough to feed, cloth and treat everyone with change.
 
This is a deep question but in the end it boils down to 'more bad people in the world than good'. When people dont stand up for others and become selfish, worrying about their own interests this is what happens.

The problem is most are so brainwashed by 'YOLO' (You only live once), Live life to the full, Its My life etc etc. Why would anyone want to help others if they are eating well, sleeping well, travelling the globe, wearing good clothes, driving nice cars etc? Materialism is the new religion of the world.

Being rich isnt an issue but it is when you keep all your wealth and do not share it. Those who do share it , share a very tiny percentage. The billionaires between them can solve all hunger, all thirst and all poverty by simply giving 2% of their wealth. £20Million is 2 % of a billion. There are 2,153 billionaires(approx) in the world. 20 x 2153 = enough to feed, cloth and treat everyone with change.
Give their wealth to who (which charity)? What’s your way of sharing? What’s your model?

People like Bill Gates have donated a lot through their foundation. What else can be done?
 
This is a deep question but in the end it boils down to 'more bad people in the world than good'. When people dont stand up for others and become selfish, worrying about their own interests this is what happens.

The problem is most are so brainwashed by 'YOLO' (You only live once), Live life to the full, Its My life etc etc. Why would anyone want to help others if they are eating well, sleeping well, travelling the globe, wearing good clothes, driving nice cars etc? Materialism is the new religion of the world.

Being rich isnt an issue but it is when you keep all your wealth and do not share it. Those who do share it , share a very tiny percentage. The billionaires between them can solve all hunger, all thirst and all poverty by simply giving 2% of their wealth. £20Million is 2 % of a billion. There are 2,153 billionaires(approx) in the world. 20 x 2153 = enough to feed, cloth and treat everyone with change.

By your calculations it is 43 billion dollor pretty sure Bill Gates alone has donated 30 to 40 billion through his trust.
World population is over 6billion and by very conservative nature if you count only 1 billion poor then you will give every poor 43 dollar at most.
 
Saddest thing is people don't have clean drinking water. If the elite just built hand pumps around the world (rural poor Areas with no access to clean water) which wouldn't cost too much would make a huge difference.
 
Saddest thing is people don't have clean drinking water. If the elite just built hand pumps around the world (rural poor Areas with no access to clean water) which wouldn't cost too much would make a huge difference.

Poverty shouldn't be a thing in 21st century. Human greed is really a disgusting thing.
 
Who's calling for the public to get back to work? This needs to be specified and substantiated before the points can be addressed.
 
It’s not simply the concentration of wealth.

It’s that those with that wealth reinforce the system of inequality which will never allow redistribution at any time in the future.

Far from it, it will continue to exacerbate.

How can you justify what we see in sweatshops?

Also, this isn’t a new phenomena. This has been prevalent since societies formed.
 
The way the money is being printed to save corporations do you think they would had printed money to feed the poor or bring people out of poverty?

Nothing can be expected from elites.
 
It's easy to blame the system, blame the rich and elites.

Its easy to complain.

But does anyone have any solution?

I guess none.
 
So what your point is?

Point is, life is unfair to begin with.

Accept it, and then try to force yourself to the upstream so that you can have better chance of survival. Those who can't, system will kick them out and that's the harsh truth yet unavoidable.

Or else, implement communism. Why no one is advocating for it?
 
The way the money is being printed to save corporations do you think they would had printed money to feed the poor or bring people out of poverty?

Nothing can be expected from elites.

Have you donated to PMCARES fund, or any fund?
 
It's easy to blame the system, blame the rich and elites.

Its easy to complain.

But does anyone have any solution?

I guess none.

Awareness is the only solution. World is still better at the hands of the nerds than it was in the hands of the kings and queens, next wave it would be even better and with every step it will improve with much control among the people to change their life with tools available.

Gates helped get rid of Polio in India, create massive HIV awareness, advancements in tech is helping and it will keep getting better.

Major hurdles religion,nationalism,believers of social media forwards.
 
Have you donated to PMCARES fund, or any fund?

Yes for other charities and have for PM national relief fund as well but not for PM cares fund, not until auditing is promised by CAG.

I don’t have kids it’s easy for me to donate..also this shouldn’t be a requirement to others.
 
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Yes for other charities and have for PM national relief fund as well but not for PM cares fund, not until auditing is promised by CAG.

I don’t have kids it’s easy for me to donate..also this shouldn’t be a requirement to others.

*for others to judge the elite corporations.
 
Yes for other charities and have for PM national relief fund as well but not for PM cares fund, not until auditing is promised by CAG.

I don’t have kids it’s easy for me to donate..also this shouldn’t be a requirement to others.

Pmnrf is also not audited by CAG, same way is PMcares is going, will be audited by independent auditors like PMNRF
 
I don't think most of the charitable insistution are audited by CAG( Can anybody verify this).
This propaganda was done by left media because they hate Modi
 
The question isn’t what will happen but why?

Why are 1 in 6 allowed to die of hunger, when you have billionaires?

Really surprised that an avowed skeptic like you is asking such questions. Never took you to be one to believe in illusory ideals like equality and justice.
 
Really surprised that an avowed skeptic like you is asking such questions. Never took you to be one to believe in illusory ideals like equality and justice.

And not being sarcastic, just surprised.
 
Buy a mask and let his family go hungry, or buy food and go out into the crowded city without one - that is the stark choice facing Hayatullah Khan, an Afghan labourer whose daily earnings have fallen below $1.50 during the coronavirus pandemic.

Like many poor South Asians, Khan has no choice but to leave the house for work.

But even without the hit to his earnings from the coronavirus pandemic, he would have struggled to afford the mask authorities tell him he should wear.

"I have earned less than 100 afghani ($1.32) today. What am I going to do?" Khan told the Reuters news agency in the Afghan capital Kabul. "Should I buy a mask or food for my family?"

Wearing a mask in public is now compulsory in most places in India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka and advised by Afghanistan and Bangladesh, resulting in soaring demand and prices.

With a basic disposable mask now costing up to $7 in some places, that has created a new form of inequality in cities where hundreds of millions live in cramped, unhygienic conditions.

Meenakshi Ganguly, South Asia director for Human Rights Watch, said coronavirus lockdown measures had disproportionately hurt marginalised communities.

"Certainly, the coronavirus itself does not distinguish between prince or pauper, race or religion," said Ganguly.

"But how it impacts individuals differs vastly depending on their access to food, shelter, health and other basic needs."

In India, business tycoon Anand Mahindra had to backtrack after tweeting an image of a woman and small child wearing leaves as makeshift masks with the words, "a reminder that nature provides us with all that we need".

He deleted the tweet saying it was "insensitive to the inequity of the situation" after others pointed out there was no evidence leaves provided protection from the virus.

In Sri Lanka, authorities have capped prices at 15 rupees (eight cents) for a disposable surgical-style mask, and 150 rupees for the closer-fitting ones sometimes called respirators.

Yet locals said it was difficult to find either at those prices, with pharmacies marking up costs.

"Earlier we bought surgical masks for 15 rupees, but now they are not available at that price, and some sell the same masks at 75 rupees," said Hashan, who lives in a slum in the capital Colombo.

"So most of the people in our area are wearing homemade masks now," he said, declining to give his full name as he was outside during the lockdown.

South Asia has been less hard-hit by the virus than many other parts of the world, with confirmed coronavirus deaths in India - a country of 1.3 billion - still below the 1,000 mark.

But Nipuna Kumbalathara, a spokesman for Oxfam in Asia, said cases like Hashan's highlighted the need for greater public investment.

"Clearly people who are struggling to put meals on their tables can't pay for their safety kits, testing or care," he said by email, urging governments to provide protective gear to poor and vulnerable people.

The World Health Organization says masks only need to be worn by those who are sick and showing symptoms, and those caring for people suspected to have the disease.

Although many governments are mandating the use of masks to curb the spread of the virus as they relax lockdown measures, others have urged the public not to buy them while there are shortages to ensure adequate supplies for healthcare workers.

In India, the government has released a manual for DIY face-coverings, including ones using rubber bands.

Many South Asians have found stopgap ways to cover their faces - from the loose end of sarees and scarves to handkerchiefs and towels - used before the outbreak to block out the sun, dust and pollution.

Meanwhile, police teams, charities and women's self-help groups have been making millions of washable masks that they give to poor and rural communities free or at a low cost.

Saral Design Solutions, a Mumbai-based start-up that makes low-cost sanitary pads, has switched to manufacturing up to 70 three-ply disposable surgical masks a minute for less than 6 cents each.

But these are the exception - most have no choice but to pay over the odds for poor-quality masks that they are only rarely able to wash.

"I have been using this one for many days now," said autorickshaw driver Gul Pacha Pacha in Kabul, pointing to a dirty, worn disposable mask as middle-class Afghan men wearing gloves and proper face-coverings walked by.

"It is difficult to breathe with it on, so I only wear it when I have passengers."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...a-poor-face-stark-choice-200428104653625.html
 
Point is, life is unfair to begin with.

Accept it, and then try to force yourself to the upstream so that you can have better chance of survival. Those who can't, system will kick them out and that's the harsh truth yet unavoidable.

Or else, implement communism. Why no one is advocating for it?

Communism is outdated, the alternative is now socialism, and I can see that gaining ground again in the future now that people in the west have seen that govt has to step in to safeguard the public from free markets under certain circumstances.
 
Point is, life is unfair to begin with.

Accept it, and then try to force yourself to the upstream so that you can have better chance of survival. Those who can't, system will kick them out and that's the harsh truth yet unavoidable.

Or else, implement communism. Why no one is advocating for it?

Communism is wrong but so is unchecked capitalism. Solution is a hybrid form of socialism (not pure socialism).

I think biggest obstacles to poverty are corruption and greed. Once these two are minimized or eliminated, poverty should go down worldwide.
 
Communism is wrong but so is unchecked capitalism. Solution is a hybrid form of socialism (not pure socialism).

I think biggest obstacles to poverty are corruption and greed. Once these two are minimized or eliminated, poverty should go down worldwide.

You can't eliminate greed. It's basic human nature. The flaws that are built into human mind before even we are aware of our existence. Greed and insecurities will always be the downfall of any system that you advocate. But then again, you can't get rid off these.

So in the end, we'll go from system A to system B. Then system B to System C. then back to system A/B and the game of music chair will continue.
 
The lockdown loving upper middle classes never cared about the poor before or after this crisis
 
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Really surprised that an avowed skeptic like you is asking such questions. Never took you to be one to believe in illusory ideals like equality and justice.

I can’t imagine why.

90% of my posts probably relate to it.
 
Give their wealth to who (which charity)? What’s your way of sharing? What’s your model?

People like Bill Gates have donated a lot through their foundation. What else can be done?

How much has Bill donated and to which charities?

The planet has more than enough to go around, in fact millions of tonnes of food are thrown away each day. The exact way to ensure poverty is eliminated can be debated and planned but there is no doubt nobody should be dying of hunger or thirst.

By your calculations it is 43 billion dollor pretty sure Bill Gates alone has donated 30 to 40 billion through his trust.
World population is over 6billion and by very conservative nature if you count only 1 billion poor then you will give every poor 43 dollar at most.

My calculations were minimul. Most Billionaires have more than 1 billion. Even if you average it out at 3 Billion and raise to 3%, how much will it be then? Its not just about giving poor people hard cash, you can invest in clean water and lay foundations to grow their own food, this isn't hard to do if the will is there.

Please show me some links to prove Bill Gate has donated $40 billion through his charities? Also where did this $40 billion go? Thanks .
 
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I can’t imagine why.

90% of my posts probably relate to it.

Perhaps didn't expect such idealism from you. Given how greed and self-interest/preservation are an integral part of the human condition, concepts like justice and equality on the scale you are envisioning them, have been and will remain utopian ideals.
 
Perhaps didn't expect such idealism from you. Given how greed and self-interest/preservation are an integral part of the human condition, concepts like justice and equality on the scale you are envisioning them, have been and will remain utopian ideals.

Agreed. Its an expectation that can be never achieved. Not even close.
 
90% people who want lockdown to be stopped and work to be allowed are not exactly poor people but they are the ones who will use these poor people to lift their bank balance. Most poor people can have a stock for 2 or 3 months so they won't die off hunger and others could be facilitated.

Some countries like India and Pakistan could have been covid free at this stage if they acted upon from the start. A proper lockdown when things were going bad in Wuhan would have saved us from this virus going viral in public. This is why it's really necessary to not to have a confused mind set deciding your future.
 
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