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Umar Akmal - The most talented Pakistani batsman of the last decade?

Logical said:
That's your comeback ? Since when do averages not matter?
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Seems like 'comebacks' have more value here than just stating your opinion.
If you want comebacks, go watch a comedian or something.
 
Anfield said:
Didn't know averaging 30 was the new benchmark.
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:))) You're the same guy who is a Shehzad fanboy. Talk about double standards.

ahanank said:
Don't try to change the point.
I was strictly talking about the style of play.
Never mentioned averages.
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He's changing the point because he don't have any argument. Shehzad is the worst of the lot, averaging early 30s at close to 60s strike rate, yet supports him.

Umar has a lot better average+strike rate, Shehzad can't even dream of achieving that SR - yet the guy is targeting Umar because he don't like him.

People have favorites and biases.
 
Hawkeye said:
:))) You're the same guy who is a Shehzad fanboy. Talk about double standards.



He's changing the point because he don't have any argument. Shehzad is the worst of the lot, averaging early 30s at close to 60s strike rate, yet supports him.

Umar has a lot better average+strike rate, Shehzad can't even dream of achieving that SR - yet the guy is targeting Umar because he don't like him.

People have favorites and biases.
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I'm not a blind fan nor a teenager. I have seen enough cricket to know about the limitations of our system. Our system doesn't allow us to produce good openers never has. Weave produced only one good opener that is Saeef anwar, rest has been way below par, worse than AS. AS is not the best but by our standard he is quite good and would only get better.
UA is a slogger. Only shot he can play is clear his left leg and slog. Play him as an opener he would be averaging around 15.

And you should be the last person to be calling other biased.
 
Just to add.. AS avgs 35@73 not early 30s@close to 60 At least get your facts right.
 
Anfield said:
I'm not a blind fan nor a teenager. I have seen enough cricket to know about the limitations of our system. Our system doesn't allow us to produce good openers never has. Weave produced only one good opener that is Saeef anwar, rest has been way below par, worse than AS. AS is not the best but by our standard he is quite good and would only get better.
UA is a slogger. Only shot he can play is clear his left leg and slog. Play him as an opener he would be averaging around 15.

And you should be the last person to be calling other biased.
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You're now shifting the argument again from 'average' to your 'personal' views. Funny how you used 'average' against Umar, but not even going close to 'average' when it coems to Shehzad.

You can't do this to protect your favorite guy.

Umar is regarded by everyone as a superior, much superior talent. You seem to think Umar can only play one shot -- shows how little cricket you watch. He's ONE guy, who can play not only all shots from the book, but also improvise: ABD-esque.

All this at a much better average+strike rate than your guy Shehzad. Interesting you ran away from this average/strike rate argument when I brought in Shehzad.

Umar isn't an opener, shouldn't open, but if he does, Shehzad is very easy to overtake. Farhat-like record is not hard to beat.
 
Anfield said:
I'm not a blind fan nor a teenager. I have seen enough cricket to know about the limitations of our system. Our system doesn't allow us to produce good openers never has. Weave produced only one good opener that is Saeef anwar, rest has been way below par, worse than AS. AS is not the best but by our standard he is quite good and would only get better.
UA is a slogger. Only shot he can play is clear his left leg and slog. Play him as an opener he would be averaging around 15.

And you should be the last person to be calling other biased.
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I think our major problem is our fixation with specialist ODI openers. They have no place in modern day cricket anymore.

In fact, the best ODI opener of all time (Tendulkar) wasn't a specialist either, and neither were the likes of Jayasuriya, Ganguly etc. A specialist opener opens in Test cricket, most of them were specialist no 3 or no 4 in Test cricket. (Jayasuriya opened in Tests but he started his career as a middle-order batsman, like Dilshan).

The likes of Amla are not specialist openers either.

90% of PPers thought Azhar would be a grandiose failure in ODIs as well. My point is that we need to be a little more flexible when it comes to ODI openers. Its the easiest position to bat in this era, thanks to two new balls, fast outfields, big bats and field restrictions.

There is no reason why we cannot try someone like Umar Akmal as an opener.

In fact, someone like Sarfraz has done much better at the top compared to the lower order.

If we continue to fixate on specialist openers, then Shehzad has indeed done better than his competition.
 
Hawkeye said:
:))) You're the same guy who is a Shehzad fanboy. Talk about double standards.



He's changing the point because he don't have any argument. Shehzad is the worst of the lot, averaging early 30s at close to 60s strike rate, yet supports him.

Umar has a lot better average+strike rate, Shehzad can't even dream of achieving that SR - yet the guy is targeting Umar because he don't like him.

People have favorites and biases.
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Don't you do the same thing??
 
Hawkeye said:
You're now shifting the argument again from 'average' to your 'personal' views. Funny how you used 'average' against Umar, but not even going close to 'average' when it coems to Shehzad.

You can't do this to protect your favorite guy.

Umar is regarded by everyone as a superior, much superior talent. You seem to think Umar can only play one shot -- shows how little cricket you watch. He's ONE guy, who can play not only all shots from the book, but also improvise: ABD-esque.

All this at a much better average+strike rate than your guy Shehzad. Interesting you ran away from this average/strike rate argument when I brought in Shehzad.

Umar isn't an opener, shouldn't open, but if he does, Shehzad is very easy to overtake. Farhat-like record is not hard to beat.
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You do realize AS has a higher average than UA? Right? There is a 5 runs average difference between farhat and AS, and not to mention 5 centuries difference. Do you even watch cricket?

ABDV like improvisation? Lol yea maybe in your dreams.
Talent without brains is nothing. After six years he has done other than mindless slogging so maybe time people would realize he is not much talented.
And just to add. I don't hate UA I say what I see and unlike you I do t go and start posting about UA in every thread (like you do against Shahzad).
 
Mamoon said:
I think our major problem is our fixation with specialist ODI openers. They have no place in modern day cricket anymore.

In fact, the best ODI opener of all time (Tendulkar) wasn't a specialist either, and neither were the likes of Jayasuriya, Ganguly etc. A specialist opener opens in Test cricket, most of them were specialist no 3 or no 4 in Test cricket. (Jayasuriya opened in Tests but he started his career as a middle-order batsman, like Dilshan).

The likes of Amla are not specialist openers either.

90% of PPers thought Azhar would be a grandiose failure in ODIs as well. My point is that we need to be a little more flexible when it comes to ODI openers. Its the easiest position to bat in this era, thanks to two new balls, fast outfields, big bats and field restrictions.

There is no reason why we cannot try someone like Umar Akmal as an opener.

In fact, someone like Sarfraz has done much better at the top compared to the lower order.

If we continue to fixate on specialist openers, then Shehzad has indeed done better than his competition.
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You have a valid point but if you want to pick a player pick someone who plas on merit. Even if he goes aerial he needs to play on merrit. UA just slogs.
 
I back him to do well today. Already looking a class apart.

He should be a permanent part of the team, should always play no matter failing or succeeding.

That's how all successful batsmen developed. You see potential in a guy, you just play him. One example comes to mind is AB.

Nobody knew AB would turn into a beast he is today. Umar has the same ingredients.
 
This is sad.

He was on his way to score a ton. Looked the BEST batsman out there, so much class.

Maqsood, what a retarded act by him. He can't slog us to a win here.
 
The most talented batsman for the first 15 runs, maybe. But even that talent starts from shoulder down.
 
He was looking very very good today. All ground shots one big calculated hit a 96 meters six.

Was playing absolute correct cricket unlike his brain.

Sohaib sold him a dummy.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He was looking very very good today. All ground shots one big calculated hit a 96 meters six.

Was playing absolute correct cricket unlike his brain.

Sohaib sold him a dummy.
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Indeed. Looked totally a class apart from all the other "so called batsmen".

He truly is a gifted talent. Retarded running by Maqsood cost us this match. He himself can't play proper cricketing shots, just slog, and wanted to be not out by sacrificing Umar.

I'm sure if Umar was in team Aus/SA, they would've *made* him into a world class bat by now. Just like SA did with AB.
 
Hawkeye said:
This is sad.

He was on his way to score a ton. Looked the BEST batsman out there, so much class.

Maqsood, what a retarded act by him. He can't slog us to a win here.
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No, he wasn't on his way to a ton. He was gonna get out any minute. Please stop overrating this guy. He is nothing special.
 
The_KING said:
No, he wasn't on his way to a ton. He was gonna get out any minute. Please stop overrating this guy. He is nothing special.
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If you watch him bat and you still don't think he's special, then I can't stop myself from saying that your eye for batting talent is quite weak.

How come you can ignore his class today. Just compare with the other 'batsmen' we have.
 
Hawkeye said:
If you watch him bat and you still don't think he's special, then I can't stop myself from saying that your eye for batting talent is quite weak.

How come you can ignore his class today. Just compare with the other 'batsmen' we have.
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I couldn't care less about his class or talent. Something called brain is also important and he doesn't have that unfortunately. He looked decent today like he always does at the start of the innings but threw it away as always. And the run out wasn't just Maqsood's fault.
 
Umar Akmal looked the best Pakistani LOI batsman today. No hacking, slogging or lucky shots, all pure cricketing shots until he was sold out by his partner.
 
The_KING said:
I couldn't care less about his class or talent. Something called brain is also important and he doesn't have that unfortunately. He looked decent today like he always does at the start of the innings but threw it away as always. And the run out wasn't just Maqsood's fault.
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yes he should have waited for Maqsood's second call as well..you got to be kidding me.Your knowledge of cricket sometimes really makes me laugh.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
He was looking very very good today. All ground shots one big calculated hit a 96 meters six.

Was playing absolute correct cricket unlike his brain.

Sohaib sold him a dummy.
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Hawkeye said:
Indeed. Looked totally a class apart from all the other "so called batsmen".

He truly is a gifted talent. Retarded running by Maqsood cost us this match. He himself can't play proper cricketing shots, just slog, and wanted to be not out by sacrificing Umar.

I'm sure if Umar was in team Aus/SA, they would've *made* him into a world class bat by now. Just like SA did with AB.
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MRSN said:
Umar Akmal looked the best Pakistani LOI batsman today. No hacking, slogging or lucky shots, all pure cricketing shots until he was sold out by his partner.
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He just hit two shots, one four and one six.
 
Indiafan said:
He just hit two shots, one four and one six.
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he was constructing his innings very well before being sold out. He has played 2 match winning innings in his last 4 T20Is and he got run out like this in one of T20. That means he had only one failure in his last 4 T20s..he could have played another match winning innings today.
 
Hard for many people to accept but Umar Akmal's talent is undeniable. Still remember those sixes to MALLINGA in 2009.
 
Totally umar fault. Just to save his sorry *** , he tried to make an impossible run without looking at maqsood.
 
Talent wise. Plz dont get me started again. That pull six, a 10 yr old can play that shot. The ball was that bad.

Infact he is lucky that he was runout so he can blame maqsood for his dismisal. I guess thats not new from him.
 
iRfaN_LA said:
He was playing very well today. His partner sold him out.
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What exactly happened? I never watched it live just saw Umar and Maqsood trying to get back in the crease at non strikers end. And yeah in T20's he has always been brilliant and am glad he's in the team despite all the rubbish that has happened in his personal life
 
He was looking a beast today. Played really good shots. And mind you he might be playing in the top order in the next game. Shame really the way he got out. But he was middling the ball well today.


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got himself out today, who cares about talent, if you dont use ur brain.
 
shaz619 said:
What exactly happened? I never watched it live just saw Umar and Maqsood trying to get back in the crease at non strikers end. And yeah in T20's he has always been brilliant and am glad he's in the team despite all the rubbish that has happened in his personal life
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It was an easy run for them and Maqsood seemed too scared to take it and ran back to his end when Umar would have gotten and he selfishly saved himself and did nothing later in the match.
 
WC-Passion said:
It was an easy run for them and Maqsood seemed too scared to take it and ran back to his end when Umar would have gotten and he selfishly saved himself and did nothing later in the match.
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Oh my :facepalm: kick that idiot out the team please, maqsood is a hack anyway; Akmal is a gun player for us in T20's.
 
Umar Akmal will bat at number 4 and maqsood at 6 in next game. While Rizwan would bat at 6.
 
shaz619 said:
Oh my :facepalm: kick that idiot out the team please, maqsood is a hack anyway; Akmal is a gun player for us in T20's.
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Yeah pretty stupid, he got out to I think it was Moeen or someone by a stumping not long later. Looked like nervous guy 60% of the time.
 
one of the very unluckiest player I've to say. poor guy gets run out or is victim of blind umpiring most of the times. You can't be that unlucky surely.
 
Get him up the order. He's still the best bet to actually hit some boundaries. The rest only bat to lose closely.
 
Hopefully he would be kicked out of the t20 team. Rafatullah has scored more runs then him in both games
 
The guy is clearly playing for his place in the side. It shows on his body language. We have the most pathetic team management in the world which cannot help and make the players feel at ease. This excess competition on the bench is going to cause us massive problems, too many players are going to resort playing for their positions in the team.
 
So peeved off about that shambolic decision.

A quick fire 30 from Akmal would have sealed the game for us, but that umpire handicapped us big time.

Hope I never see him umpire again and he should be banned from the PSL is well because he cost us the match and ultimately - a series loss.
 
Fact is, he is the best dynamic batsman in Pakistan. And I would take him over most.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
have you watched the game

both dismissals are hardly his fault
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Has been unlucky this series, especially considering he seems to be playing sensibly (or at least trying) in his short innings before he gets run out / given a wrong decision. Was rotating the strike yet still taking calculated risks.
 
Major said:
Hopefully he would be kicked out of the t20 team. Rafatullah has scored more runs then him in both games
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Have some shame. How was it his fault today ??

You fan boys of certain players are such a cancer to Pakistan cricket.
 
Know what the difference was???? Umar took singles today. Big thanks to malik who was at the other end.
 
Back when I watched proper cricket, talented batsmen were those who got you 100s, 150s and 200s -- I'm assuming these days the equivalent is 20s, 30s and 40s given how much talk there is about Umar Akmal's talent.
 
Umar is frustrating...bats like today and will probably flop next few matches. Hopefully this will be a turning point for him.
 
Woah!!! What an innings, what hitting God damn it!!! Umar akmal , with all that talent, you should be ashamed of yourself for not being a better international player than what you currently are.
 
Rameez forgot how to speak.

Alan Wilkins wit all his vocabulary couldn't describe it :)))

This is it guys. This is the Rohit Sharma type transformation we needed. Our #3 has arrived. Expect tons and double hun'eds from here.

Mark this date on your calendars. The day the qalandar Umar went through metamorphosis.
 
Suleiman said:
Rameez forgot how to speak.

Alan Wilkins wit all his vocabulary couldn't describe it :)))

This is it guys. This is the Rohit Sharma type transformation we needed. Our #3 has arrived. Expect tons and double hun'eds from here.

Mark this date on your calendars. The day the qalandar Umar went through metamorphosis.
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The heir of AB de Villiers is born today.
 
Dont be fooled by his one big innings, he has ability to do such things once in a while, there was no question about it , main problem is consistency and brainfarts at the wrong time.
 
He plays such innings once every 3-4 months so no biggie. Pak fans shouldn't get super excited for no reason because only disappointment is coming our way in regards to this.

Shehzad, Akmal, Jamshed etc are all inconsistent clowns of varying degrees and that much has been established long time back.
 
Slog said:
He plays such innings once every 3-4 months so no biggie. Pak fans shouldn't get super excited for no reason because only disappointment is coming our way in regards to this.

Shehzad, Akmal, Jamshed etc are all inconsistent clowns of varying degrees and that much has been established long time back.
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And yet, there are no other batsmen to get excited about EXCEPT Umar Akmal. That's the sadness of our current setup.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Make him open and you'll see a lot more of these innings.
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Do you have any idea where that thread of 2010 2011 is ?

The one which has title like who is more talented umar akmal , kohli , rahane , Barath, Joe Root, sharma ?

The thread where you posted Umar Akmal's six of morne Morkel?
 
Slog said:
He plays such innings once every 3-4 months so no biggie. Pak fans shouldn't get super excited for no reason because only disappointment is coming our way in regards to this.

Shehzad, Akmal, Jamshed etc are all inconsistent clowns of varying degrees and that much has been established long time back.
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Did pakistan play 2nd T20i against New Zealand 4 months ago ?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Do you have any idea where that thread of 2010 2011 is ?

The one which has title like who is more talented umar akmal , kohli , rahane , Barath, Joe Root, sharma ?

The thread where you posted Umar Akmal's six of morne Morkel?
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No, can't remember. It was something like "who is the best young batsman"?
 
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