Umar Akmal versus Rishabh Pant

[sensible-indian-fan]

Akmal never disappoints, someone please open up Akmal vs Shaw thread.

Ummy bhai is a legend.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

It only works when a Pakistani makes the thread.

Apparently not.

 

[Ab Fan]

Prithvi Shaw needs a career resurrection thread. His technical weakness are exposed and inferior bowlers are getting him out.

Rishabh Pant issue was mindset and lack of confidence which has been fixed and result is there to be seen for everyone.

 

[JaDed]

Lol , I remember a poster once suggested there should had been an U Akmal vs U Akmal thread to revive his career lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

Can we have a Prithvi shaw vs Umar Akmal thread?

 

[Kaddy]

Umar Akmal's contributions for Indian cricket are unparalleled.

 

[Ab Fan]

Rishabh Pant is better.

 

[Saurav]

Prithvi Shaw needs a career resurrection thread. His technical weakness are exposed and inferior bowlers are getting him out.

Rishabh Pant issue was mindset and lack of confidence which has been fixed and result is there to be seen for everyone.

lack of confidence?Rishabh Pant?

 

[cricket.mad]

Eh?

Nothing has changed. Pant is a sensational talent and he will be a top player for India for 15 years. He is just going through a lean patch which is part of his learning curve.

He is India’s Gilchrist and the most talented WK batsman to emerge out of the subcontinent since Dhoni in 2004-05.

BCCI have given him an A contract in spite of your assumption that India has given up on him. They haven’t and they won’t, because even a team like India can’t produce talents like him all the time.

Our fans are setting themselves up for disappointment as usual. They never learn. You can laugh and make fun now, but you will see where Pant stands in the game 10 years from now.

Woww..what a prophecy!!

 

[Ab Fan]

lack of confidence?Rishabh Pant?

Yeah, it which was the reason for his failures earlier and last year in IPL, it was clearly visible. Skills were there back then too and he has proved everyone wrong by his performance in last three months.

He will have a great career in all three formats but his next challenge will come up against moving ball in England conditions. Against pace, bounce and spin, he is already excellent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Eh?

Nothing has changed. Pant is a sensational talent and he will be a top player for India for 15 years. He is just going through a lean patch which is part of his learning curve.

He is India’s Gilchrist and the most talented WK batsman to emerge out of the subcontinent since Dhoni in 2004-05.

BCCI have given him an A contract in spite of your assumption that India has given up on him. They haven’t and they won’t, because even a team like India can’t produce talents like him all the time.

Our fans are setting themselves up for disappointment as usual. They never learn. You can laugh and make fun now, but you will see where Pant stands in the game 10 years from now.

Mamoonadamus

 

[Romali_rotti]

I believe the Pseudo Secular : said Pant is an Umar Akmal...

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[Ab Fan]

"Headless chicken" and "proper muhallay waala Tullyabaaz" is heading on its way to become the next Gilchrist in making.

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Headless chicken" and "proper muhallay waala Tullyabaaz" is heading on its way to become the next Gilchrist in making.

Its amusing how some pakistanis think that power hitters from India are all Afridi type hacks and hence call them Tullaybaaz.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol Indian fans like mamoon are nowhere to be seen on this thread apparently who he was so sure about that pant would be the next superstar in world cricket is being compared to the likes of Umar Akmal now. Even Indians have given up on him now.

Genius.

 

[Mamoon]

Woww..what a prophecy!!

Mamoonadamus

Anyone with half-decent understanding of cricket could see that Pant has immense potential.

The issue is that the vast majority of Pakistani fans are clueless and know nothing about cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What's the use of quoting posts that are almost 2 years old now lol? Why didn't people quote those posts (that were perfectly right at that time) if you really believed in his abilities then? I called him a tullaybaaz because he was playing like that and was dropped for the same reason from LOI teams. He did the same in T20 series against England too. He played 2 good innings so fans are back to hyping him up.

 

[Ab Fan]

<B>Anyone with half-decent understanding of cricket could see that Pant has immense potential</B>.

The issue is that the vast majority of Pakistani fans are clueless and know nothing about cricket.

I agree with that part

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I agree with that part

Me too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Anyone with half-decent understanding of cricket could see that Pant has immense potential.

The issue is that the vast majority of Pakistani fans are clueless and know nothing about cricket.

I hardly open threads on PP. Glad i opened this one.

 

[Slog]

I hardly open threads on PP. Glad i opened this one.

Had he not not already scoring centuries in Australia and England by then? So in terms of a comparison with Umar Akmal; he was already well ahead

 

[Slog]

Hahahaha joshila Bhai trying so hard to make Umar akmal comparison luck rub onto Pant.

Haha it did though. It did.

It ALWAYS works

 

[cricketjoshila]

Had he not not already scoring centuries in Australia and England by then? So in terms of a comparison with Umar Akmal; he was already well ahead

He was still called Tullaybaaz.

 

[Slog]

He was still called Tullaybaaz.

So? Even then he has surpassed Umars career

 

[cricketjoshila]

So? Even then he has surpassed Umars career

Umar was not a TullayBaaz.

 

[saeed5646]

Its amusing how some pakistanis think that power hitters from India are all Afridi type hacks and hence call them Tullaybaaz.

Afridi was very good against your trundles .No need to drag him here

 

[saeed5646]

Still zero century in limited over cricket.But excellent knock against very good eng bowling attack today

 

[pillionrider]

I agree with that part

I agree with your agreement

 

[Rajdeep]

Afridi was very good against your trundles .No need to drag him here

He was not....he was shockingly poor and avg only 23 against us with the bat.

 

[Ab Fan]

I agree with your agreement

Based on Pant's recent performances, there is a lot that we will be agreeing on to.

 

[Saurav]

Still zero century in limited over cricket.But excellent knock against very good eng bowling attack today

won't get many tons at 4-5.More about impact innings

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Where is Umar Akmal these days? He is still 30 lol.

 

[topspin]

Even before his international debut you could see Pant was something special. He had a very good FC batting average after his first season.

Umar Akmal, even on his best day, was never anywhere as good as Pant.

It's disrespectful to see the number of posters call him a hack and an Afridi type player.

Pant will more than likely end his career as the greatest Asian wicket-keeper batsman of all-time. This guy is what you call a special talent.

In Pakistan cricket, we brand Azhar Ali, Asad Shafiq, Usman Salahuddin, Sami Aslam and Misbah as "talent" LMAO.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Where is Umar Akmal these days? He is still 30 lol.

i think his ban is clear now, only need to pay some hefty fine to be back in the field i guess..

Soon will the drama begin...A few smacks of 40 -50 runs will be back in the team to do the same ugly hoick hoick heave heave

 

[Mesozoic]

Man what is up with these threads?

One is a once in a generation talent who can single-handedly win any game for his team in any format on his day, puts fear into the opposition ranks, plays an aggressive brand of cricket and is a box office presence on and off the field....

And the other is a talentless tullaybaaz IPL product Rishabh Pant, who won't be seen in international cricket in two years time. How is this even a comparison?

 

[saeed5646]

He was not....he was shockingly poor and avg only 23 against us with the bat.

Very shocking indeed 50 odd ball hundred or 109 strike rate in 2000 era against arch rival .especially strike rate of 134 in india

 

[Indiafan]

Very shocking indeed 50 odd ball hundred or 109 strike rate in 2000 era against arch rival .especially strike rate of 134 in india

Lol he lost way more matches than he won against india. He became irfans bunny. His strike rate is mostly because of 2 ball 4 kind of innings

 

[cricketjoshila]

Afridi was very good against your trundles .No need to drag him here

Avgd 25 with the bat. Thats the level of your very good.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol he lost way more matches than he won against india. He became irfans bunny. His strike rate is mostly because of 2 ball 4 kind of innings

SR is useless if you avg 25.

 

[Rafa]

Pant may be more successful but as far as natural talent is concerned, he is no match in terms of potential that Young Umar Akmal possessed. Pant is just lucky that he is being managed by a more professional board.

 

[rhony]

Pant may be more successful but as far as natural talent is concerned, he is no match in terms of potential that Young Umar Akmal possessed. Pant is just lucky that he is being managed by a more professional board.

True. It's unfortunate that people lose their "natural" talent as they grow older

 

[BreadPakoda]

SR is useless if you avg 25.

Lala was the most talented player ever. He could have become the next Sobers had he been managed by a more professional board. Rather than getting so many chances after the strings of 0 (1) he would have been asked to go to domestic to improve his game. Would have come back strongly to break some test records. He was just unlucky.

 

[Kroll]

Pant should should be honoured and consider himself lucky to be mentioned in the same breath as the great Umar Akmal.

 

[WengerOut]

Umar Akmal is 30 these days!! We've grown old

 

[Kroll]

Umar Akmal is 30 these days!! We've grown old

Don't worry, he's still too young by another 3-5 years to get into a Misbah team.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I actually want Akmal to make a strong comeback and surprise all the Posters here but as of now it looks like a distant dream

 

[RyanRyan10]

I actually want Akmal to make a strong comeback and surprise all the Posters here but as of now it looks like a distant dream

I also want to see that happen

PP will become even more entertaining with Junaids' posts on him

 

[Saj]

You won't be laughing when Umar Akmal v 6.0 makes a comeback and smashes bowling attacks around the park when he is picked again by the Pakistani selectors.

 

[rhony]

You won't be laughing when Umar Akmal v 6.0 makes a comeback and smashes bowling attacks around the park when he is picked again by the Pakistani selectors.

India and Pakistan should play the next road safety series.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Where is Umar Akmal these days? He is still 30 lol.

He is struggling to pay PCB 42 lakhs and asked for some time. Thats where he is.

 

[pillionrider]

I never bought into the hype that Umar was as good as Kohli, but he still was a really good talent. Those late cuts to spinners

But I doubt he's ever gonna return.

It's possible that his personal relationship with Babar is fine, but can't see him playing under and alongside his cousin who is rightly feted as the best Pakistani batsman by yards. Doubt Umar would be able to handle that and find it in him to perform.

 

[Varun]

Ah, so it was this thread that worked the magic in Pant's career.

 

[Pakhs]

This is an embarrassing thread because Pant will never go to the levels Umar Akmal went to destroy his career.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

India and Pakistan should play the next road safety series.

That series isn't Covid safe though.

 

[Varun]

I also want to see that happen

PP will become even more entertaining with Junaids' posts on him

"3 ways Umar Akmal can smash Pakistan into the finals of the World Test Championship"

 

[IMMY69]

The way Pant is playing these days he could very well end up being an ATG keeper/batsman

 

[saeed5646]

Avgd 25 with the bat. Thats the level of your very good.

Matter of fact you mentioned him since he retired from cricket 10 year ago

 

[saeed5646]

Avgd 25 with the bat. Thats the level of your very good.

I wish same spectrum is used for pandya before he do something decent

 

[cricketjoshila]

Matter of fact you mentioned him since he retired from cricket 10 year ago

He is the very epitome of the word Tullaybaaz.

 

[Slog]

SR is useless if you avg 25.

25 @ 110 is actually very good stats for the lower order.

And averages 32-33 with the ball on top of that is really good too.

People underrate Afridi a lot

 

[JattMaula]

25 @ 110 is actually very good stats for the lower order.

And averages 32-33 with the ball on top of that is really good too.

People underrate Afridi a lot

This.

23.5/117 in odi's as batter and
34.5 average with ball along with four hundred wickets.

This are solid numbers for a no.8 in a low ranked team in time period of 1996-2016.

#Lalaforhalloffame

 

[Unleashed]

Pakistani fans obsession with Afridi and overhyping for him is one of the main reason why they've become such a mediocre team right now. He's nothing more than a slogger version of Chris Harris.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistani fans obsession with Afridi and overhyping for him is one of the main reason why they've become such a mediocre team right now. He's nothing more than a slogger version of Chris Harris.

Have you seen his t20 stats.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani fans obsession with Afridi and overhyping for him is one of the main reason why they've become such a mediocre team right now. He's nothing more than a slogger version of Chris Harris.

Pakistan’s mediocrity is because of romanticizing inconsistency and packaging it as unpredictability.

All this nonsense about cornered tigers mentality and how Pakistan cricket is a roller-coaster ride etc. is the reason why we are always mediocre and lack professionalism.

The 1992 World Cup damaged the mentality of Pakistan cricket and ensured that we became reliant on flukes rather than building a proper team and striving for consistency.

Afridi is simply a consequence of that damaged mentality and not the source. If Pakistan was not obsessed with unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality, an unprofessional and irresponsible player like Afridi would have been asked to mend his ways or go home.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

In T20's atleast, it seems like he is definitely the Indian version of Umar Akmal

 

[Ab Fan]

Umar Akmal's contribution to Indian cricket is much bigger than any Indian cricketer's contribution.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Said this few years(more than 3?) ago that he plays stupid shots to get out just like Umar Akmal. My comparison was solely based on their on field performances.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shaw reminds me a lot of Umar Akmal.

 

[msb314]

Pakistan’s mediocrity is because of romanticizing inconsistency and packaging it as unpredictability.

All this nonsense about cornered tigers mentality and how Pakistan cricket is a roller-coaster ride etc. is the reason why we are always mediocre and lack professionalism.

The 1992 World Cup damaged the mentality of Pakistan cricket and ensured that we became reliant on flukes rather than building a proper team and striving for consistency.

Afridi is simply a consequence of that damaged mentality and not the source. If Pakistan was not obsessed with unpredictability and cornered tigers mentality, an unprofessional and irresponsible player like Afridi would have been asked to mend his ways or go home.

Just seeing this now so thought I’d comment..

Actually Afridi was discarded multiple times but returned to the team due to various reasons.

First time was after the 2003 WC - he was dropped alongside our veteran players only to return when Inzy was made captain. Inzy saw the potential of Afridi as a pinch hitter and wanted him to open (which he did in LOI until 2006) but Afridi never liked that role for some reason..

Afridi was again dropped in 2013 but was asked to return after the humiliation of the 2013 CT. He returned with a bang with 7 wickets and a 50 against WI and was not dropped again until he retired in 2015 but remained inconsistent as ever.

In Tests - he was actually dropped in 2006 but returned as captain in 2010 - when YK and MoYo were both banned for various reasons. As you may recall his return lasted only one test after which he retired from Tests lol

Long story short - we put up with him due to lack of alternatives. Post 2005 - he became a “senior” and was considered a leader in the dressing room despite his inconsistent returns with the bat / ball. His leadership skills and good fielding made it hard to drop him during the Misbah era as he was one of the few cricketers who could accelerate at will - especially after Razzaq was dropped from LOI in 2012.

I think there was a commercial aspect too as Afridi always remained a highly marketable person - which could not be said for anyone else once Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib Akhtar retired.