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it was sustained pace for 7 overs....say whatever u want but this guy is genuine pacer
even of rhythm he is quick but bowls crap
when in rhythm he can get u wickets im sure if we have to win this he needs to bowl good long spell tomorrow...lets hope he stays fit cos this could be his series to learn and show the world he belongs
even of rhythm he is quick but bowls crap
when in rhythm he can get u wickets im sure if we have to win this he needs to bowl good long spell tomorrow...lets hope he stays fit cos this could be his series to learn and show the world he belongs
I think he'll pick up an injury in IPL
man i hate ipl but we have managed him well
he is not part of odis squad or t20 ...tests and jsut ipl is not bad
but f he plays everything then no one can survive but he is fitter then those australian pacers!
pattinson already lost so much pace
its definately fitness,less said about cummings better ,starc on other hand is getting better an better!
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his age is 25
He is good in test cricket but not good in one day cricket with White bowl
17 odi matches 18 wickets Average of 46 Econ is 6.26 even worse than Sami
LIST A matches 37 matches 37 wickets at average of 43.55
his one day record shows his is not good in one day cricket as he is in test cricket
He is good in test cricket but not good in one day cricket with White bowl
17 odi matches 18 wickets Average of 46 Econ is 6.26 even worse than Sami
LIST A matches 37 matches 37 wickets at average of 43.55
his one day record shows his is not good in one day cricket as he is in test cricket
yes and he should stay away from them
players like pathan are doing fine in odis..he needs to improve his control which he should in year or two...should be read for odis till next world cup
aaron showed much better control for odis with his natural length being full and yorker was not a problem but guy is always injured hopefully we will find some one else till then gotta back our batting in odis and hope tundlers get lucky
players like pathan are doing fine in odis..he needs to improve his control which he should in year or two...should be read for odis till next world cup
aaron showed much better control for odis with his natural length being full and yorker was not a problem but guy is always injured hopefully we will find some one else till then gotta back our batting in odis and hope tundlers get lucky
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Next WC is in Australia. Not sure the batters gonna be of much use 
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Very promising pacer. If managed properly, can be lethal. I hope he plays tests only. I heard he is a coal miner's son. Maybe that's why he is so strong.
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Better than any Pakistani pacer these days barring Junaid.
Next WC is in Australia. Not sure the batters gonna be of much use
we will do fine with batting if we select proper players ,,no tailunt allowed,get pujara ,rahane in before saying pujara is too defensive plz see his list a stats even on a tours
good batsmen know how to change gears for different formats
@leatherface yep he is also he was trying to get into police force and fitness it does not depends on where he came from maybe natural talent of bowling quick does but fitness is cos of hard work
he said in some interview i cannot find it its probably in cric info
that he follows a fitness regime works hard even take cares about eating (zack should take note )
he has to be fittest fast bowler in sub continent..
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Junaid khan average 26 and something he has taken three five wicket haul
And also look at Jadav one day record 17 matches 18 wickets average 46 Econ-6.26 this record is even worse than Sami,Tanver
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What stunning logic. So you don't play your most promising bowler on a pitch which is difficult for bowlers? someone who has more chance of picking up wickets than anyone else?
Shoaib destroyed himself. No one else to be blamed.
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I've already agreed that Junaid is better. But he is better than Umar Gul on current form and Sohail Tanvir shouldn't play for Pakistan in any format ever again.
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Hahahaha you are mad or Blind
Gul average is 28 in One day cricket he has done lots for pakistan in last 5 years at the moment he is just out of from remember Gul 6/38 against England in Oval in 2010 2nd highest wicket taker as fast bowler in 2011 WC hoe he bowled against Aussies in final group game
Highest wicket taker in 2007 T-20 WC
Highest wicket taker in 2009 T-20 WC
Gul is good player but bit out of from
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Man you deserve a big facepalm
I have clearly stated that he is better than Gul and co on current form.
"Better than any Pakistani pacer these days barring Junaid
I've already agreed that Junaid is better. But he is better than Umar Gul on current form and Sohail Tanvir shouldn't play for Pakistan in any format ever again".
Since I have mentioned it twice that I'm talking about current form, why are you bringing up years old performances?
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Interesting....
Never heard of it....
..so did some "you tube"ing & here is what came up. Heart touching !!
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Man you deserve a big facepalm
I have clearly stated that he is better than Gul and co on current form.
"Better than any Pakistani pacer these days barring Junaid
I've already agreed that Junaid is better. But he is better than Umar Gul on current form and Sohail Tanvir shouldn't play for Pakistan in any format ever again".
Since I have mentioned it twice that I'm talking about current form, why are you bringing up years old performances?
time will replay you waiting for Ehsan adil and Zia ul haq debut
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They need to use him properly, not play him in too many LOIs. A county stint would be useful as well I think or maybe it's clashing with IPL I think
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Wrong.
He needs to play every match of every format to grow as a bowler. He doesn't play enough at the moment and this will dampen his progress.
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i dont mind ipl with his current work load (no t20 and odis for india )
but when he plays in all formats i want him to stay away from it..but now its no big deal he can get smacked there and learn art of bowling in slog overs
also he should play ranji too..county is good but it doesn ot works for everyone and i dont even think he will be allowed to play county(gotta hate bcci for things like this )
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people seem to underestimate how intelligent he is...getting wickets u learn with experience but guy follows good fitness regime ..puts in lot of hard work and see how fit he is!
he is doing everything right atleast the things he can control unlike zack who gets fat when there is no cricket
u guys have to appreciate the heart this kid has 7 overs at pace while english bowler gave up so quickly and were bowling at praveen kumar pace...
signs are good compare hsi bowling vs nz to this..he will do wine away from home i was certain about this but seeing how he rreversed the ball (im sure zack helped him with this ) im sure we can have a good bower from india...
btw talent is not problem our selectors jsut love tundlers there is this 6 feet 6 inch tall guy pankaj singh who can touch 140's easily can bowl long spells with accuracy but dinda is preffered infront of him
he took 8-9 wickets in match where dinda got 1
still dinda is the back up
Absolutely disagree !!
Its not the SPEED that is the key
Its the "AIR SPEED"
youtube'd 6'6" Pankaj Singh. saw his latest Ranji 5'fer.
Youtube'd 6'10" Mohammed Irfan saw his highlights.
I am convinced. 6'6" Pankaj Singh at age 27 wont be penetrative enough internationally.
In india he will struggle clearly on flat dead tracks cuz lack of air speed and poor bowling action (slow arm speed).
In Aus, SA, NZ, Eng he will struggle because of lack of arm speed, conservative bowling action & lack of high arm action to extract bounce at the height of 6' 6"
I'll stick with Varun Aaron just purely on "air speed" & young age & smoother bowling action.
Pankaj Singh is history at age 27.
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Well CSA sparingly use Steyn in LOIs and only play him in ICC tournaments but that hasn't hampered his progress, in fact it's allowed him to stay injury free and can bowl really long spells for a fast bowler. So it does work
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Not really. Inzy used to bowl him all day long on flat Pakistani wickets
and he wasnt spared in domestic cricket either
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Agree air speed is very important, Ishant here in AUS in spite of his pace sits up to be hit.
dude i dont wanna be rude but there is nothing like air speed!!
the speed measured is speed of ball released from hand,it decelerates all the while reaching batsman
so 150 k ball released from 2 bowlers would have similar speed in air the difference is pace of pitch
the ball ALWAYS slows down a LOT after it hits the pitch...but some guys land it on seam and cos of tht it bounces more and loses LESS pace ,,that is the only difference two bowlers can have while bowling at same speed
also what ur talking about is kind of optical illusion its the movement of ball in air which makes u think its quicker in air its just late reverse swing and cos of it batsmen cant play him sincei ts moving in too late perfect example waqar younis
also i know good bowler when i see him pankaj singh was getting nip of pitch swinging them both ways and bowled some snoters not saying he is going be best bowler in world or even close to that but good enough for our team...does dinda has 'air speed'? or even anything? lol
my point was we have decent bowlers but select guys with no potential..hope i explained it properly u can disagree but its face there is nothing like air speed .. im not being rude lke i said it looks like that its quicker cos of movement its just ball doing things in air..
lol... ishant's problem was his seam.. most of time ball did not hit seam so what happened? (it lose lot of pace )
a statistical comparison
in 2008 tour brett lee was bowling at 150k in odis
ishant sharma at 143 k
while bowl got to batsman ishant was quicker then lee cos he was hitting seam and it was losing less pace there is nothing like air speed use some common sense
when u release bowl at 150 it stays at same speed in air (it slows down at same rate for both bowlers ) not like its accelerating lol
pace is registered when bowl is released from hand...when it reaches batsman its no way near full speed it probably loses 30 percent of pace or maybe 20 i dont remember it can war but not in air off the pitch...im sure many people here know this and they can back me up i dont have time to dig sources getting late!
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That's what I'm saying lol Ishant has a technical problem, he loses a lot of pace after ball lands on the pitch. Ball generally loses pace after landing but Ishant's losing even more.
yes thats bcos 80 percent of time it does not lands on seam and his wrist isnt behind the ball properly so there is no chance of any movement or nip of deck even on tracks like perth where yadav wrecked havoc when he found correct length (it was too late after warner ton but 5 wicket haul was impressive )
He is developing nicely. In Oz he was quick, but sprayed it a bit.
Now a year or so two later he is still quick (which is challenge #1) but his control has improved a lot. His reverse swing has also improved.
300-400 wickets, who can tell? Anything can happen in 9-10 years.
But if he keeps improving and holds his pace I think he can be a 200+ test wickets bowler for sure. The rest depends a little bit on luck.
I think the spinners in India might grab too many wickets for him to take a huge amount. The great pakistani bowlers bowled on similaar pitches but didn't have so many good spinners alongside them gobbling up so many wickets.
Now a year or so two later he is still quick (which is challenge #1) but his control has improved a lot. His reverse swing has also improved.
300-400 wickets, who can tell? Anything can happen in 9-10 years.
But if he keeps improving and holds his pace I think he can be a 200+ test wickets bowler for sure. The rest depends a little bit on luck.
I think the spinners in India might grab too many wickets for him to take a huge amount. The great pakistani bowlers bowled on similaar pitches but didn't have so many good spinners alongside them gobbling up so many wickets.
totally agree but wickets dont matter if he can win us matches isnt that good enough ?
but one thing which happened in near past is that when we had good quick bowlers win zack and ishant for a year or two we did see pitches with bit of help for seamers nothing like away games but enough that they can be effective
also reverse swing is natural thing in india on some ground u will see more reverse in kolkata i think..
even in mumbai track will have something on first day for few hours
if we get wickets like we had vs west indies this lad can come in handy in this series
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So what was he supposed to do? Hide him and protect him because he was physically too delicate?
Haha, you may be a big fan of his but don't go to an extent where it becomes embarrassing. Shoaib messed up his career because of not working hard enough on the pitch but working his guts off in the gym how ironic and having poor discipline and work ethic.
akthar can only blame himself..he was always in controversy ,and now that he has retired people are forgetting all the bad parts of his career and remembering only good ones
he was great his peak but that did not lasted very long he got banned several times..also after controversies he was now way near the bowler he once was
he could have been next waqar or wasim but he never achieved that
he was great his peak but that did not lasted very long he got banned several times..also after controversies he was now way near the bowler he once was
he could have been next waqar or wasim but he never achieved that
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Mark of a "greatness" in fast bowler is due tomorrow
This is where Zaheer failed.
"A great fast bowler has ability to take 5'fer on Phatta flat dusty spinner friendly wicket of likes of Ahmedabad. although the rule is not written on the stone"
Yadav's most important day tomorrow as he has set himself nicely with 2/60
5 wickets are still there for the taking. If Yadav can can run through the middle order tomorrow & get to 4 wickets.....That 5th Wicket of a tail ender will be there for the taking!!
A fast bowler is expected to take 5'fers on regular basis in AUS, SA, NZ, ENG, ZIM tracks. Even Sreeshant looked great in SA. DOES NOT mean he is a great bowler.
Zaheer failed to take a single 5'fer in his 85 TESTS on phatta flat indian or pakistani dust bowls in his whole career. 3'fer even 4'fer dont count.
Last memorable Indian 5'fer on phatta wicket has been of Irfan Pathan 1st over hattrick in karachi.
Steyn, donald, Marshall, Imran, waqar, wasim, Srinath, shoaib even Pathan have done it in India & Pakistan phatta tracks.
Zaheer failed
Yadav got 2 wickets off consequitive balls so far. 3 wickets might be asking too much. He may get 1 at most. maybe even 2 as the wicket is very slow now.
But he is young. fully develeped at age 25. Got Air speed & ball is reversing. Youthful exhuberance.
If he gets 5'fer at Ahmedabad tomorrow it will be much >>>>> than Boxing day 5'fer at MCG. That was expected.
This is where Zaheer failed.
"A great fast bowler has ability to take 5'fer on Phatta flat dusty spinner friendly wicket of likes of Ahmedabad. although the rule is not written on the stone"
Yadav's most important day tomorrow as he has set himself nicely with 2/60
5 wickets are still there for the taking. If Yadav can can run through the middle order tomorrow & get to 4 wickets.....That 5th Wicket of a tail ender will be there for the taking!!
A fast bowler is expected to take 5'fers on regular basis in AUS, SA, NZ, ENG, ZIM tracks. Even Sreeshant looked great in SA. DOES NOT mean he is a great bowler.
Zaheer failed to take a single 5'fer in his 85 TESTS on phatta flat indian or pakistani dust bowls in his whole career. 3'fer even 4'fer dont count.
Last memorable Indian 5'fer on phatta wicket has been of Irfan Pathan 1st over hattrick in karachi.
Steyn, donald, Marshall, Imran, waqar, wasim, Srinath, shoaib even Pathan have done it in India & Pakistan phatta tracks.
Zaheer failed
Yadav got 2 wickets off consequitive balls so far. 3 wickets might be asking too much. He may get 1 at most. maybe even 2 as the wicket is very slow now.
But he is young. fully develeped at age 25. Got Air speed & ball is reversing. Youthful exhuberance.
If he gets 5'fer at Ahmedabad tomorrow it will be much >>>>> than Boxing day 5'fer at MCG. That was expected.
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again airspeed
anyway 5 wickets form rookie that will be too much to expect
not to forget ms dhoni is the captain one wicket and spinners will be back
btw i was frustrated today i get short spells but one over spell ?
young bowlers take once over just to find there length and get rhythm!
anyway 5 wickets form rookie that will be too much to expect
not to forget ms dhoni is the captain one wicket and spinners will be back
btw i was frustrated today i get short spells but one over spell ?
young bowlers take once over just to find there length and get rhythm!
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What a colorful eyesore post. Anyhow, Irfan's hattrick was in extremely bowling friendly conditions. First 2 days of that test were a seamer's paradise and following that, it was pretty lifeless although for India it was never meant to be
What a colorful eyesore post. Anyhow, Irfan's hattrick was in extremely bowling friendly conditions. First 2 days of that test were a seamer's paradise and following that, it was pretty lifeless although for India it was never meant to be
eyesore ,,,really? LOL
Yes it is, to become an all time great Indian fast bowler (like Brett Lee gets a mention in great Aussie fast bowlers, but not worldwide legend). But for the guys on these boards, to become a world all time great, he will need 300 odd wickets, his share of fifers & win/break open a few games on his own too.
thing is zaheer might not have stats to show but he has respect of cricketers he plays against... anderson said he learned some tricks from zack
i think we can judge cricketer best by the respect he gets from his peers..i have seen threads here will this guy ever be great?
who makes them greats? not us we are jsut spectators its respect from fellow cricketers..even with mediocre stats many players were rated very highly..why is that?
can give u example of flintoff from top of my head he is not considered gr8 but many cricketers rate him very high even with okish bowling stats..he was my fav bowler when he was at peak
But Zack is not respected in Oz.
He is regarded as skilled but lazy, too unfit to bowl several hard spells a day or day after day and too fragile to last out a test series because he is unfit. if he wants to last he has to drop his pace and bowl half power, he can't keep intensity up.
He is regarded as skilled but lazy, too unfit to bowl several hard spells a day or day after day and too fragile to last out a test series because he is unfit. if he wants to last he has to drop his pace and bowl half power, he can't keep intensity up.
yep i agree even i hate him for getting fat everytime there is no cricket
but u still cannot deny it even with hsi mediocre stats he is rated high by people who have seen him in action...his come back has been impressive he bowled better then any english pacer yesterday..
if and buts aside he will never be rated as great but still be rated highly by cricketers hwo have played against him
but yadav is different he still has to prove himself but he is doing many things right which ack ignored
he is focused he is fit and works hard everyday and any one who can bowl 7 overs with 140 k + pace gives his all...hopefully he will get the rewards..
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What a colorful eyesore post. Anyhow, Irfan's hattrick was in extremely bowling friendly conditions. First 2 days of that test were a seamer's paradise and following that, it was pretty lifeless although for India it was never meant to be
disagree.
Pathan is not a seam bowler not did he hit the seam. Irfan got those wickets because of his swing talent.
First 3 wickets he got off his 1st over "banana swung" viciously. That itself is a skill.
all 3 hattrick wickets were solely due to him pitching the ball up for the late banana inswing.
watch them again. Its on youtube.
It has nothing to do with hitting the seam & sporting wicket. Karachi wicket was still phatta as usual.
only 5th wicket of akhtar was a tail ender gift.
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He is at an ATG level by Indian standards considering they never had an out & out fast bowler
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The most impressive aspect of his bowling is that he's generating 90mph with a very short run-up. I feel he can increase his pace by lengthening his run-up and running faster. But for now he must concentrate on improving his embarrassing average and winning matches for India. To his credit he has an excellant Strike Rate, which is the most important stat for a Test Strike bowler.
Today he must be asked to bowl just yorkers and set a field accordingly. No use bowling length or back of a length on this slow wicket where even 145k ball slows down to 125k after pitching. He has troubled batsmen when he's bowled full. Wish he can pick a couple of quick wickets today.
Today he must be asked to bowl just yorkers and set a field accordingly. No use bowling length or back of a length on this slow wicket where even 145k ball slows down to 125k after pitching. He has troubled batsmen when he's bowled full. Wish he can pick a couple of quick wickets today.
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Love the catapult like bowling action... some genuine 'pacer' for India in decades!!
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He provides very good option for India, bowled very well in first test.
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^ He should have got 3 wickets which were plumb but not given.
That speed gun is wrong. Failed to go pass 145k recently in SL, where Md. Sami went up to 148k
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^ He hit 154k on the tour of Australia. Are those speed guns also wrong?
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Umesh Yadav is good in test cricket but he need to improve himself in one day
his One day average is 48 after 17 matches only taken 18 wickets Econ is 6.25
his One day average is 48 after 17 matches only taken 18 wickets Econ is 6.25
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Umesh Yadav is good in test cricket but he need to improve himself in one day
his One day average is 48 after 17 matches only taken 18 wickets Econ is 6.25
his One day average is 48 after 17 matches only taken 18 wickets Econ is 6.25
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great bowling on this dead track.should preserve him for tests
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Bowled with a big heart today. Fast, full and lots of reverse swing. He's a dream of a bowler for India, never had anyone like him.
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LoL he clocked 150 plus numerous times in Australia.And clocks 140.plus on most occassions.Even in that SL tour he was faster than Malinga.
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^ My buri nazar doesnt work on guys with tattoo on their body, so Yadav's secure.
Yeah, but I guess Indian team won't bother much about ODI matches right now.
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true..
So how much the others were hitting? If Watson was also hitting 145k you know that the readings are over estimating. What actually showed was Yadav was not the quikest bowler in Asia, and it was Sami. Umar gul was barely hitting 140k, Nuwan Pradeep 145k, and Mathews', Perera's hitting 125k. That showed that Yadav is NOT considerably quicker than faster bowlers from other subcontinental countries. Sami, Yadav and Nuwan Pradeep basically bowl at similar pace.
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Whats with the obsession with pace? With all the pace, Sami is not even in the national side, get over it!
BS. Yadav was clocked at 145k, while Malinga at 144k. because of the amount of slower balls Malinga deliver, his average speed is lot lesser than Yadav's.
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Sami and Pradeep don't play much of test cricket though these days.
talking about Pradeep, he looked good in 1 ODI I saw him playing. Although he doesn't look good for tests. 3 tests and no wickets, FC average too pretty high. Why SL are not playing him in ODIs ? Considering his List A record, SL should try him the LOIs.
Malinga, Kulasekra and him can be good attack together I feel.
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What BS?I said Yadav was Faster than Malinga and you just said the same thing.We are talking abt Top speeds and avg speeds and Yadav was faster at both counts.
Sami...when was the last time he played test cricket?
Nuwan Pradeep....LOL.He has hardly played much international cricket.
Yadav his 150ks comtinously on Australia Not one or two balls.Didnt see.Watson bowl at 145ks.So if Indian bowler touches 150ks in Australia the speed guns are wrong but if Aamer does the same they are right.
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It would be better if once you can see things without your colored glasses. As already pointed out by many posters, Yadav has been pretty quick ever since his debut, and not just here and there. He consistently touched 150k+ in Aus and in this test, he was buy far the quickest (around 142k+ IIRC).
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Another BS. At respective ages Malinga was clocked 156ks so he was quicker with his quicker balls. And even after 8 seasons, he tops 140k. Would love to see what yadav will produce after 8 seasons. Malinga's quicker balls are as quick as Yadav's. I don't care what Yadav averaged in Aussie, I want then measured off the same speed gun. Now when it is obvious that yadav's pace is overhyphed, then brings out statements as how many tests etc. If that's the criteria, Junaid Khan shits all over yadav as a fast bowler. Don;t change goal posts. we are talking of pace, and the format doesn't matter as well as the quality of the bowler. The truth that created lot of **** pain is that Pakistan and Sri LAnka has bowlers as quick as yadav.
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These were the same speed guns that clocked Thisara Perera at 135ks, Mathews 132ks, Fernand 151ks and Malinga 148ks. Additionally all Aussie seamers were 145k+ with their effort balls, that including Watson! Either Aussie speed guns are over estimating, or Sri Lankan ones are under estimating. What ever, there is not much difference to overhype Yadav with his pace.
And if he maintains test bowling average of 25, then take a bow, and I will talk him up as a great Asian paceman. But all this ovehype about pace is BS. He is NOT THE FASTEST in ASIA, and that title belongs to Sami.
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Actually very important factor in India winning here was difference in fast bowlers performance.
Between them Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad and Tim Bresnan conceded 255 runs in the Test for a single wicket to Anderson. Zaheer and Yadav took seven for 166.
England Fast bowlers: 1 wicket at average of 255
Indian Fast bowlers: 7 wickets at average of 23.7
This had huge impact in this game despite focus being on Pujara, Cook and Ojha.
Between them Jimmy Anderson, Stuart Broad and Tim Bresnan conceded 255 runs in the Test for a single wicket to Anderson. Zaheer and Yadav took seven for 166.
England Fast bowlers: 1 wicket at average of 255
Indian Fast bowlers: 7 wickets at average of 23.7
This had huge impact in this game despite focus being on Pujara, Cook and Ojha.
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BS should apply to you. Watson did not bowl at that pace. even Starc didn't. Hilfy didn't.
did you see that in your dreams?
watson was injured in the tests.
I agree that Yadav is quick , equally quick to a few pacers you mentioned. quickest? no.
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