UN Chief Urges India, Pak to Exercise 'Maximum Restraint' on Kashmir, Invokes Simla Agreement

[Lego20]

United Nations: UN chief Antonio Guterres on Thursday urged India and Pakistan to exercise "maximum restraint" and refrain from taking steps that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir, as he highlighted the Simla Agreement which rejects any third-party mediation on the issue.

The Secretary-General's remarks came after India on Monday revoked Article 370 to withdraw the special status to Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the state into two Union Territories - Jammu and Kashmir and Ladakh.

Pakistan termed the Indian action as "unilateral and illegal", and said it will take the matter to the UN Security Council.

"The Secretary-General has been following the situation in Jammu and Kashmir with concern and makes an appeal for maximum restraint," Guterres' spokesman Stephane Dujarric said here.

Dujarric specifically said that the Secretary-General "also recalls the 1972 Agreement on bilateral relations between India and Pakistan, also known as the Simla Agreement, which states that the final status of Jammu and Kashmir is to be settled by peaceful means" in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

The Secretary General did not offer his good offices nor did he make any offer to mediate between India and Pakistan on Kashmir. Instead, he referred to the Simla Agreement, which is a bilateral agreement between India and Pakistan and rejects any third-party mediation in the issue.

Guterres also called "on all parties to refrain from taking steps" that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir. He said the position of the United Nations on the region was governed by the Charter of the United Nations and is applicable to Security Council resolutions.

When asked to be more specific about reference to the UNSC resolutions on Kashmir in the statement, Dujarric said "I'm not going to go into any more specifics of the statement which also refers to our concern" about reports of restrictions in Kashmir in India. "So I'll refer you to the statement," he said.

Dujarric reiterated that Guterres and the UN Secretariat were following the situation "very closely".

He said there had been contacts from the UN Secretariat both with the Indian and Pakistani authorities and with the Permanent Missions of India and Pakistan. He said there is no plan for the Secretary-General to brief the Security Council on Kashmir.

Reacting to India's move, Pakistan expelled the Indian envoy and downgraded its diplomatic ties with New Delhi.

India has said that Jammu and Kashmir is an integral part of India and the issue was strictly internal to the country.

https://www.news18.com/news/world/u...kashmir-invokes-shimla-agreement-2263887.html

 

[AdamM97]

Well, at least the UN has recognized that Kashmir issue has to be solved BILATERALLY by India and Pakistan in keeping with the Simla Agreement and not unilaterally by India.

 

[Majid Khan]

Well, at least the UN has recognized that Kashmir issue has to be solved BILATERALLY by India and Pakistan in keeping with the Simla Agreement and not unilaterally by India.

The real question in light of recent events and unilateral strategy for Kashmir outlined by India, does the Simla agreement count for anything or is it null and void?

Here’s a quote from the Simla agreement that we keep hearing about :-

“Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.”

 

[MenInG]

proper article added in post #1

 

[cricketjoshila]

The real question in light of recent events and unilateral strategy for Kashmir outlined by India, does the Simla agreement count for anything or is it null and void?

Here’s a quote from the Simla agreement that we keep hearing about :-

“Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.”

And Pakistan's continous support to armed terrorist groups was under the Shimla agreement, i guess.

 

[the Great Khan]

The real question in light of recent events and unilateral strategy for Kashmir outlined by India, does the Simla agreement count for anything or is it null and void?

Here’s a quote from the Simla agreement that we keep hearing about :-

“Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.”

all agreements are suspect now..everything is up in the air. Pakistan is well within its rights to fully support the fight for freedom in Kashmir.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Guterres also called "on all parties to refrain from taking steps" that could affect the status of Jammu and Kashmir. He said the position of the United Nations on the region was governed by the Charter of the United Nations and is applicable to Security Council resolutions.

When asked to be more specific about reference to the UNSC resolutions on Kashmir in the statement, Dujarric said "I'm not going to go into any more specifics of the statement which also refers to our concern" about reports of restrictions in Kashmir in India. "So I'll refer you to the statement," he said.

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Its time to back to UN the simla deal is void, pak need to find someone to sponsor the un resolution against Ind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

all agreements are suspect now..everything is up in the air. Pakistan is well within its rights to fully support the fight for freedom in Kashmir.

Pakistan was already doing it and violating international laws and Simla agreement,Lahore Declaration etc.

If all bilateral agreements are in air, then IWT too is.

 

[big_gamer007]

I have never quite understood why Pakistan is involved here. Maybe someone can educate me. From what I understand Kashmir was a dispute wherein the local population was against the rule of Hindu ruler. Some sections revolted against the king, Pakistani army backed the tribals and the king came to India for help. Indian government helped and king signed a document stating succession to union of India.

So the conflict is between India and Kashmiris. Why is Pakistan involved? Pakistan tried to take Kashmir as part of their country so isn't that morally incorrect as well? They did start war to take Kashmir, so they themselves want to occupy Kashmir.

What claim does Pakistan has on Kashmir? Even if the population was Muslim majority how does it justify Pakistan trying to annex Kashmir into their country without asking the entire population?

If Pakistan was trying to help from humanitarian perspective one could understand their view point, but it seems they are also after the land for strategic advantage.

Pakistanis (the people) on the other hand might be involved due to humanitarian reasons. But the state seems to be exploiting their emotions for their personal gain.

I feel genuinely sorry for the people of Kashmir, they have become pawns in game of two big powers. No one deserves to go through what they go through on daily basis.

Sub continent is atleast few decades behind the west in terms of democracy. If for next few decades Kashmir accepts the decision and development happens most physical and mental and trust builds up between all parties then only plebiscite will happen.

Current Kashmiris, for the sake of their future generations need to help build up the trust.

 

[warcry]

And Pakistan's continous support to armed terrorist groups was under the Shimla agreement, i guess.

since you want to talk about terrorism, what was kulbushan yadav doing in balochistan?

 

[Lonewarrior]

If all bilateral agreements are in air, then IWT too is.

so be it ...
all agreements are null and void. we are right now back to 47/48. no UN or any shimla agreement for us. India broke the UN resolution, its an open battle field....

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

since you want to talk about terrorism, what was kulbushan yadav doing in balochistan?

Having tea?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

so be it ...
all agreements are null and void. we are right now back to 47/48. no UN or any simla agreement for us. India broke the UN resolution, it an open battle field....

I would want to see india cut off the water supply which is our water.

You starve pak of thirst pak will throw the nukes.

Those days are gone where Ind bullied pak, its even battlefield now.

 

[IMMY69]

I have never quite understood why Pakistan is involved here. Maybe someone can educate me. From what I understand Kashmir was a dispute wherein the local population was against the rule of Hindu ruler. Some sections revolted against the king, Pakistani army backed the tribals and the king came to India for help. Indian government helped and king signed a document stating succession to union of India.

So the conflict is between India and Kashmiris. Why is Pakistan involved? Pakistan tried to take Kashmir as part of their country so isn't that morally incorrect as well? They did start war to take Kashmir, so they themselves want to occupy Kashmir.

What claim does Pakistan has on Kashmir? Even if the population was Muslim majority how does it justify Pakistan trying to annex Kashmir into their country without asking the entire population?

If Pakistan was trying to help from humanitarian perspective one could understand their view point, but it seems they are also after the land for strategic advantage.

Pakistanis (the people) on the other hand might be involved due to humanitarian reasons. But the state seems to be exploiting their emotions for their personal gain.

I feel genuinely sorry for the people of Kashmir, they have become pawns in game of two big powers. No one deserves to go through what they go through on daily basis.

Sub continent is atleast few decades behind the west in terms of democracy. If for next few decades Kashmir accepts the decision and development happens most physical and mental and trust builds up between all parties then only plebiscite will happen.

Current Kashmiris, for the sake of their future generations need to help build up the trust.

Simply put because the divide was created on the basis that the Muslim majority states would become part of Pakistan and at that time Kashmir was muslim majority but Hari Singh a Hindu Raj was the leader.

So the ascension to India was refuted and both countries then decided that a plebiscite would be held which never did.

So Pakistan is very much involved in this.

 

[Lonewarrior]

I would want to see india cut off the water supply which is our water.

You starve pak of thirst pak will throw the nukes.

Those days are gone where Ind bullied pak, its even battlefield now.

cutting waters isnt easy for them, its just a wet dreams. the indian joshilas over here should read the International law on water resources. Indus water belong to Pakistan according to International law, becoz it falls into arabian sea, which is a pakistani territory. if india try to cut our water, they will be seen as aggressor in the eyes of the world. if someone have a doubt. feel free to google it.

 

[Pakpak]

I have never quite understood why Pakistan is involved here. Maybe someone can educate me. From what I understand Kashmir was a dispute wherein the local population was against the rule of Hindu ruler. Some sections revolted against the king, Pakistani army backed the tribals and the king came to India for help. Indian government helped and king signed a document stating succession to union of India.

So the conflict is between India and Kashmiris. Why is Pakistan involved? Pakistan tried to take Kashmir as part of their country so isn't that morally incorrect as well? They did start war to take Kashmir, so they themselves want to occupy Kashmir.

What claim does Pakistan has on Kashmir? Even if the population was Muslim majority how does it justify Pakistan trying to annex Kashmir into their country without asking the entire population?

If Pakistan was trying to help from humanitarian perspective one could understand their view point, but it seems they are also after the land for strategic advantage.

Pakistanis (the people) on the other hand might be involved due to humanitarian reasons. But the state seems to be exploiting their emotions for their personal gain.

I feel genuinely sorry for the people of Kashmir, they have become pawns in game of two big powers. No one deserves to go through what they go through on daily basis.

Sub continent is atleast few decades behind the west in terms of democracy. If for next few decades Kashmir accepts the decision and development happens most physical and mental and trust builds up between all parties then only plebiscite will happen.

Current Kashmiris, for the sake of their future generations need to help build up the trust.

To be honest it's become an issue of pride. Both sides would never back down, if they did they'd be butchered from the public. That's why in my opinion after this move there is no chance for peace. Before the region was disputed and if India agreed to anything then atleast they could sell it as hey it was a disputed region. Now they've made it into Union Territory. There is no step down from that. If India tries to negotiate a part of its official union Territory the politicians would kill their own career.

There is no solution now and Pakistan at some point will have to accept the status quo. The only way is a rebellion but that's the reason for India's million troops in the valley.

 

[the Great Khan]

Pakistan was already doing it and violating international laws and Simla agreement,Lahore Declaration etc.

If all bilateral agreements are in air, then IWT too is.

if IWT is up in the air then prepare for the inevitable..

 

[the Great Khan]

since you want to talk about terrorism, what was kulbushan yadav doing in balochistan?

he was a poor indian toruist who got lost and then happened to meet some dodgy BLA militants..after which he encouraged them to kill shia civilians..

 

[Thomaskutty]

I feel genuinely sorry for the people of Kashmir, they have become pawns in game of two big powers. No one deserves to go through what they go through on daily basis.
.

Like you said, they're tired of being pawns hence why it looks like a good chunk of Kashmiris are silently welcoming this move.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have not watched TV whole day and don’t know what is being doled out. I spoke to a number of people today. I say this with absolute conviction: so many Kashmiris are happy that 370 is gone. But their belief is that the rampant corruption and privilege of a few won’t go</p>— Rahul Pandita (@rahulpandita) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahulpandita/status/1159121666422607872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[cricketjoshila]

since you want to talk about terrorism, what was kulbushan yadav doing in balochistan?

Why has ICJ asked that his sentence be effectively reviewed?

 

[cricketjoshila]

if IWT is up in the air then prepare for the inevitable..

These threats may work on some others, but will do zilch to nuclear nation with more resources and a bigger conventional force than pakistan.

Pakistan doesnot respect agreements, it shouldnot expect others to do the same.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

These threats may work on some others, but will do zilch to nuclear nation with more resources and a bigger conventional force than pakistan.

Pakistan doesnot respect agreements, it shouldnot expect others to do the same.

You dont get it do you, Ind can have far superior weapons, but once you hav nuclear its all even outs.

I dare ind to block the rivers and cancel the treaty.

India has option to end pakistan but when this happens pak will also end India. So who has won?

Your rhetorics me f all to pakistan so glad pak had nuclear.

 

[Lonewarrior]

These threats may work on some others, but will do zilch to nuclear nation with more resources and a bigger conventional force than pakistan.

Pakistan doesnot respect agreements, it shouldnot expect others to do the same.

Its not a threat dum dum ... its what we will do..
you do know the consequences of cutting Indus water ...
you know very well, you will be aggressor if you do that...
i say go ahead , infact we want you to do that ...

 

[Lonewarrior]

Like you said, they're tired of being pawns hence why it looks like a good chunk of Kashmiris are silently welcoming this move.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I have not watched TV whole day and don’t know what is being doled out. I spoke to a number of people today. I say this with absolute conviction: so many Kashmiris are happy that 370 is gone. But their belief is that the rampant corruption and privilege of a few won’t go</p>— Rahul Pandita (@rahulpandita) <a href="https://twitter.com/rahulpandita/status/1159121666422607872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 7, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

sell this scripted Bullcrap to someone else. watch BBC video for a change.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Why has ICJ asked that his sentence be effectively reviewed?

now you should forget your monkey...

 

[xbronze]

I would want to see india cut off the water supply which is our water.

You starve pak of thirst pak will throw the nukes.

Those days are gone where Ind bullied pak, its even battlefield now.

I can understand why as a Pakistan supporter you feel helpless and frustrated in this situation. However, the total inaction by the Pakistan government (other than the usual platitudes) is baffling.

Since Pakistan appears to be politically, militarily, and diplomatically, rolling over and surrendering with respect to article 370, what makes you so sure that Pakistan will react when India stops the river waters flowing into Pakistan?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

You state whole of kashmir belongs to you, when is modi coming for Azad Kashmir?

Pakistan want the kashmiris to decide their own fate.

Are you coming, your threats mean nothing, we shot down your airforce and you did nothing.. Those days are gone if pak ends india ends.

 

[xbronze]

cutting waters isnt easy for them, its just a wet dreams. the indian joshilas over here should read the International law on water resources. Indus water belong to Pakistan according to International law, becoz it falls into arabian sea, which is a pakistani territory. if india try to cut our water, they will be seen as aggressor in the eyes of the world. if someone have a doubt. feel free to google it.

So how many countries do you think bothered to google anything when India threw article 370 into the garbage bin? Why do you think any country will bother with google when India throws Indus Water Treaty into the garbage bin?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

I can understand why as a Pakistan supporter you feel helpless and frustrated in this situation. However, the total inaction by the Pakistan government (other than the usual platitudes) is baffling.

Since Pakistan appears to be politically, militarily, and diplomatically, rolling over and surrendering with respect to article 370, what makes you so sure that Pakistan will react when India stops the river waters flowing into Pakistan?

India doesnt have the galls to stop the rivers, do it. Then you will see what happens?

 

[xbronze]

You state whole of kashmir belongs to you, when is modi coming for Azad Kashmir?

Pakistan want the kashmiris to decide their own fate.

Are you coming, your threats mean nothing, we shot down your airforce and you did nothing.. Those days are gone if pak ends india ends.

India did NOT need to do anything. UAE, US, and Saudi, were on the phone with Pakistan and gave them a deadline to return the Indian pilot unharmed.

What most Pakistanis are not getting is that in the modern world countries do not want to support a bankrupt nation. With the enormous trade deals that they have with India why would nations risk their standing with India just for the sake of a bankrupt Pakistan.

 

[xbronze]

India doesnt have the galls to stop the rivers, do it. Then you will see what happens?

Isn't this the EXACT same threat that Pakistan had made a million times regarding revoking article 370?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Isn't this the EXACT same threat that Pakistan had made a million times regarding revoking article 370?

So move in the hindus then. What ind has done is illegal they have become a pariah state.

International community will condemn the revoking of article 370, resolution will be put forward at the UN.

Modi should be elected for 3rd time also, totally ruining india. Cant believe vast majority support this buffoon.

 

[IMMY69]

India did NOT need to do anything. UAE, US, and Saudi, were on the phone with Pakistan and gave them a deadline to return the Indian pilot unharmed.

What most Pakistanis are not getting is that in the modern world countries do not want to support a bankrupt nation. With the enormous trade deals that they have with India why would nations risk their standing with India just for the sake of a bankrupt Pakistan.

Correct, but they DO want to support a bankrupt nation that has nuclear arms.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

India did NOT need to do anything. UAE, US, and Saudi, were on the phone with Pakistan and gave them a deadline to return the Indian pilot unharmed.

What most Pakistanis are not getting is that in the modern world countries do not want to support a bankrupt nation. With the enormous trade deals that they have with India why would nations risk their standing with India just for the sake of a bankrupt Pakistan.

Now you making things up, so why didnt the same logic work for the other terrorist working in Bolochistan?

Pakistan showed a hand in peace but you racist rejected it.

 

[AdamM97]

I have never quite understood why Pakistan is involved here. Maybe someone can educate me. From what I understand Kashmir was a dispute wherein the local population was against the rule of Hindu ruler. Some sections revolted against the king, Pakistani army backed the tribals and the king came to India for help. Indian government helped and king signed a document stating succession to union of India.

So the conflict is between India and Kashmiris. Why is Pakistan involved? Pakistan tried to take Kashmir as part of their country so isn't that morally incorrect as well? They did start war to take Kashmir, so they themselves want to occupy Kashmir.

What claim does Pakistan has on Kashmir? Even if the population was Muslim majority how does it justify Pakistan trying to annex Kashmir into their country without asking the entire population?

If Pakistan was trying to help from humanitarian perspective one could understand their view point, but it seems they are also after the land for strategic advantage.

Pakistanis (the people) on the other hand might be involved due to humanitarian reasons. But the state seems to be exploiting their emotions for their personal gain.

I feel genuinely sorry for the people of Kashmir, they have become pawns in game of two big powers. No one deserves to go through what they go through on daily basis.

Sub continent is atleast few decades behind the west in terms of democracy. If for next few decades Kashmir accepts the decision and development happens most physical and mental and trust builds up between all parties then only plebiscite will happen.

Current Kashmiris, for the sake of their future generations need to help build up the trust.

You do realize that the Nizam of Hyderabad didn’t want to accede Hyderabad to India? Yet Patel and co annexed Hyderabad because of it’s majority Hindu population. The Nawab of Junagadh was a muslim with a Hindu majority population, he wanted to accede Junagadh to Pakistan yet India annexed it on the basis of religion.

But it doesn’t matter now, the real victims of this dispute are the Kashmiri people stuck in between a dispute they have no say in.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

You do realize that the Nizam of Hyderabad didn’t want to accede Hyderabad to India? Yet Patel and co annexed Hyderabad because of it’s majority Hindu population. The Nawab of Junagadh was a muslim with a Hindu majority population, he wanted to accede Junagadh to Pakistan yet India annexed it on the basis of religion.

But it doesn’t matter now, the real victims of this dispute are the Kashmiri people stuck in between a dispute they have no say in.

But but they didnt have border with pakistan so they couldn't join pak. Wait for joshila to come and spout nonsense.

It was reasons like you mention that tge UN stated a Plebiscite should occur in kashmir.

 

[xbronze]

Correct, but they DO want to support a bankrupt nation that has nuclear arms.

Correct, as they did when Pakistan PM Imran Khan went requesting for bailout money (Saudi gave a few billion dollar, UAE, China etc. all gave something). But that is the kind of support you can expect.

Other than that powerful nations will support other powerful nations who have something 'substantial' to offer then in return, like big trade deals.

Nuclear blackmail cannot be an economic strategy long term for any nation.

 

[Lonewarrior]

So how many countries do you think bothered to google anything when India threw article 370 into the garbage bin? Why do you think any country will bother with google when India throws Indus Water Treaty into the garbage bin?

another ignorant indian, read the international law on water resources. its clearly mention that any country where the water falls from river to the sea in thre territory, belongs to them. means in case of pakistan Indus water is ours. you cut it. you will be seen as aggressor, infront of the whole world. any halt of a water sources from other country is equal to dropping nuke and call for a war.

 

[xbronze]

So move in the hindus then. What ind has done is illegal they have become a pariah state.

International community will condemn the revoking of article 370, resolution will be put forward at the UN.

Modi should be elected for 3rd time also, totally ruining india. Cant believe vast majority support this buffoon.

Too many 'will' in this sentence below tells me that you are being very 'hopeful'. 'Hope' is not a good strategy. Often fails.

International community will condemn the revoking of article 370, resolution will be put forward at the UN.

 

[IMMY69]

Correct, as they did when Pakistan PM Imran Khan went requesting for bailout money (Saudi gave a few billion dollar, UAE, China etc. all gave something). But that is the kind of support you can expect.

Other than that powerful nations will support other powerful nations who have something 'substantial' to offer then in return, like big trade deals.

Nuclear blackmail cannot be an economic strategy long term for any nation.

Again I agree with what you say but the crucial thing here is that with the new government, Pakistan is finally starting to implement economic policies that will help the economy to recover. Decades of corruption and mismanagement will take years to rectify.

Coming back to Kashmir, in my opinion India has played in to Pakistan's hands. It is now up to Pakistan to decide on what it wants to achieve.

I said this before, the best course would be to pull its military out and call India's bluff on a referendum.
India won't want this because the vote will be for Independence or to join Pakistan.

Morally and legally, Kashmir should have been part of Kashmir. I don't think even you would argue against that.

 

[Gullycricket]

https://www.independenturdu.com/node/13331/%D8%AF%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7/%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%A7/%E2%80%99%D8%AE%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7-%DA%A9%DA%86%DA%BE-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%88%E2%80%98-%D8%B3%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%86%DA%AF%D8%B1-%D8%B3%DB%92-%D8%A7%DB%8C%DA%A9-%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%BA-%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D9%8F%DB%81%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C
What Indian posters think about this?How long will you defend this fascist regime

 

[AdamM97]

https://www.independenturdu.com/node/13331/%D8%AF%D9%86%DB%8C%D8%A7/%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4%DB%8C%D8%A7/%E2%80%99%D8%AE%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7-%DA%A9%DA%86%DA%BE-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D9%88%E2%80%98-%D8%B3%D8%B1%DB%8C-%D9%86%DA%AF%D8%B1-%D8%B3%DB%92-%D8%A7%DB%8C%DA%A9-%D9%85%D8%A7%DA%BA-%DA%A9%DB%8C-%D8%AF%D9%8F%DB%81%D8%A7%D8%A6%DB%8C
What Indian posters think about this?How long will you defend this fascist regime

Bhai, they can’t read in the Nastaliq script.

 

[xbronze]

another ignorant indian, read the international law on water resources. its clearly mention that any country where the water falls from river to the sea in thre territory, belongs to them. means in case of pakistan Indus water is ours. you cut it. you will be seen as aggressor, infront of the whole world. any halt of a water sources from other country is equal to dropping nuke and call for a war.

Totally agree with you. However, the same was said a million times by Pakistan about India revoking article 370 and snatching/integrating Indian Kashmir into India in broad daylight.

What happened when Modi did just that? Nothing.

DGISPR/Pakistan Army is now saying that if India crosses LOC India will have hell to pay. India's reponse is ... a big yawn followed by, "Hey, that won't be needed, we already got what we wanted - Kashmir. It has become an integral part of India now"

 

[Muddaser]

Totally agree with you. However, the same was said a million times by Pakistan about India revoking article 370 and snatching/integrating Indian Kashmir into India in broad daylight.

What happened when Modi did just that? Nothing.

DGISPR/Pakistan Army is now saying that if India crosses LOC India will have hell to pay. India's reponse is ... a big yawn followed by, "Hey, that won't be needed, we already got what we wanted - Kashmir. It has become an integral part of India now"

What have I missed?

Considering 35% of Kashmir is with Pakistan and another 20% with China.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Totally agree with you. However, the same was said a million times by Pakistan about India revoking article 370 and snatching/integrating Indian Kashmir into India in broad daylight.

What happened when Modi did just that? Nothing.

DGISPR/Pakistan Army is now saying that if India crosses LOC India will have hell to pay. India's reponse is ... a big yawn followed by, "Hey, that won't be needed, we already got what we wanted - Kashmir. It has become an integral part of India now"

do you think Islamabad will tell you thre strategy ?
its a long game, its not over yet...
Enjoy the moment ...

 

[IMMY69]

do you think Islamabad will tell you thre strategy ?
its a long game, its not over yet...
Enjoy the moment ...

I was thinking just that.
Its been two/three days. Indian Army is on high alert...I would be extremely disappointed with Pakistan if they did anything at this point in time.

Best strategy would be to just wait and watch. From a military and diplomatic perspective the best course of action would be to take no action. But any action should not be telegraphed

 

[Lonewarrior]

I was thinking just that.
Its been two/three days. Indian Army is on high alert...I would be extremely disappointed with Pakistan if they did anything at this point in time.

Best strategy would be to just wait and watch. From a military and diplomatic perspective the best course of action would be to take no action. But any action should not be telegraphed

Endgame, thats all it matters now ...

 

[the Great Khan]

These threats may work on some others, but will do zilch to nuclear nation with more resources and a bigger conventional force than pakistan.

Pakistan doesnot respect agreements, it shouldnot expect others to do the same.

we dont need to be lectured by indian fascists baying for the blood of innocent pakistanis...and we also dont need to be lectured on abiding by agreements..we all know what india thinks of agreements as this recent kashmir round has shown.

we will never bow down to indian hindu fascism..

 

[the Great Khan]

I was thinking just that.
Its been two/three days. Indian Army is on high alert...I would be extremely disappointed with Pakistan if they did anything at this point in time.

Best strategy would be to just wait and watch. From a military and diplomatic perspective the best course of action would be to take no action. But any action should not be telegraphed

they cant keep the curfew going forever..and if there is a suicide attack then what? they have created hostility and this will translate into militant action..are tehy going to try to attack pakistan then?

standing against fascism is a good thing. Modi the tinpot hitler needs to be opposed.

 

[IMMY69]

they cant keep the curfew going forever..and if there is a suicide attack then what? they have created hostility and this will translate into militant action..are tehy going to try to attack pakistan then?

standing against fascism is a good thing. Modi the tinpot hitler needs to be opposed.

Yes you can see it all unfolding this way.

History shows that India's tactics cannot work in the long term.

Yugoslavia being case in point.

I just hope that the Kashmiri people will not have to suffer another 70 years of pain and see mass genocide before they are finally given their freedom.

 

[xbronze]

Again I agree with what you say but the crucial thing here is that with the new government, Pakistan is finally starting to implement economic policies that will help the economy to recover. Decades of corruption and mismanagement will take years to rectify.

Coming back to Kashmir, in my opinion India has played in to Pakistan's hands. It is now up to Pakistan to decide on what it wants to achieve.

I said this before, the best course would be to pull its military out and call India's bluff on a referendum.
India won't want this because the vote will be for Independence or to join Pakistan.

Morally and legally, Kashmir should have been part of Kashmir. I don't think even you would argue against that.

Nice post. And I totally agree with what you wrote about Imran Khan government doing its best to win this uphill battle to right Pakistan's economy.

How I wish more and more Pakistanis support Mr. Imran Khan. You folks are lucky to have someone like him who is grounded and not getting carried away to jump on a horse and make a charge on India, and take Pakistan's economy back by 20 years.

If he gets 10 or 15 years as PM, Pakistan could get transformed. I do not see another non-corrupt PM on the horizon in Pakistan for a long long long time. For all its faults India has had many non-corrupt and hardworking PMs in recent years (Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh, and Modi who works 18 to 20 hours a day and whose strongest opponent agrees that he can not be bribed/corrupted by money)

I said this before, the best course would be to pull its military out and call India's bluff on a referendum.
India won't want this because the vote will be for Independence or to join Pakistan.

That would be a master stroke. Pakistan would totally outplay India and regain the moral higher ground on the Kashmir Issue. It could also get a lot of nations to back Pakistan, unlike today where it is largely alone. That move would be like an Imran Khan move on the cricket field. I just don't see that happening in reality on the ground, unfortunately.

Morally and legally, Kashmir should have been part of Kashmir. I don't think even you would argue against that.

Very tough question. Legally, we are stuck with the UN resolution of many decades ago. That requires Pakistan to pull out completely and India to run all of Kashmir temporarily and coordinate a referendum along with UN (referendum held/run totally by UN representatives). I just don't see that ever happening. So legal route is done.

Morally? Again I have absolutely no clue who to give Kashmir to 'morally'. Ideally, a separate independent nation of 'Kashmir' for the Kashmiri people, that neither belongs to Pakistan or India, would be best. But unfortunately I don't see that happening as well.

Lets put it this way, if the British had decided to either leave WHOLE of Kashmir independent, or with Pakistan, or with India, I would have been perfectly fine with any of those 3 options.

Under the current/real situation, the only ideal long term solution in my opinion is one which will take decades or even a century or more. Maintain status quo. India actually co-operates with Pakistan to help Pakistan stabilize economically, and Pakistan and India become joint partners and custodians in mutual economic cooperation and growth. Increase Free trade, give one another MFN status, mutual investments. Indian educational institutions and industries build colleges and branches in Pakistan, and in turn Pakistani entities open presence in India. Closely integrated economies over decades. Boundaries and relations between the two countries become like those among EU states.

At that time it wouldn't matter which part of Kashmir is with which nation, as the people of Pakistan and India would all feel integrated even though we are two nations, with two Kashmir. Who knows at that time, it may feel like two nations with one shared entity of Kashmir.

Into that future, Kashmir may have transformed from being a barrier between Pakistan and India to being a bridge that brings the two nations and peoples even closer.

 

[xbronze]

What have I missed?

Considering 35% of Kashmir is with Pakistan and another 20% with China.

That may be the strategy. Holders keepers. Every country keeps what they have of Kashmir and move on. So we can all focus on other things, like economic growth and mutual cooperation between China, Indian, Pakistan.

If a century down the road, a smarter generation wants to relook at things differently and perhaps integrate all nations into an EU like union, where all Kashmirs feel like one, and all different nations (Pakistan, India, China) feel like fellow states within a larger economic union, so be it.

For now, maybe we should just accept things and move on.

 

[IMMY69]

Nice post. And I totally agree with what you wrote about Imran Khan government doing its best to win this uphill battle to right Pakistan's economy.

How I wish more and more Pakistanis support Mr. Imran Khan. You folks are lucky to have someone like him who is grounded and not getting carried away to jump on a horse and make a charge on India, and take Pakistan's economy back by 20 years.

If he gets 10 or 15 years as PM, Pakistan could get transformed. I do not see another non-corrupt PM on the horizon in Pakistan for a long long long time. For all its faults India has had many non-corrupt and hardworking PMs in recent years (Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh, and Modi who works 18 to 20 hours a day and whose strongest opponent agrees that he can not be bribed/corrupted by money)

I said this before, the best course would be to pull its military out and call India's bluff on a referendum.
India won't want this because the vote will be for Independence or to join Pakistan.

That would be a master stroke. Pakistan would totally outplay India and regain the moral higher ground on the Kashmir Issue. It could also get a lot of nations to back Pakistan, unlike today where it is largely alone. That move would be like an Imran Khan move on the cricket field. I just don't see that happening in reality on the ground, unfortunately.

Morally and legally, Kashmir should have been part of Kashmir. I don't think even you would argue against that.

Very tough question. Legally, we are stuck with the UN resolution of many decades ago. That requires Pakistan to pull out completely and India to run all of Kashmir temporarily and coordinate a referendum along with UN (referendum held/run totally by UN representatives). I just don't see that ever happening. So legal route is done.

Morally? Again I have absolutely no clue who to give Kashmir to 'morally'. Ideally, a separate independent nation of 'Kashmir' for the Kashmiri people, that neither belongs to Pakistan or India, would be best. But unfortunately I don't see that happening as well.

Lets put it this way, if the British had decided to either leave WHOLE of Kashmir independent, or with Pakistan, or with India, I would have been perfectly fine with any of those 3 options.

Under the current/real situation, the only ideal long term solution in my opinion is one which will take decades or even a century or more. Maintain status quo. India actually co-operates with Pakistan to help Pakistan stabilize economically, and Pakistan and India become joint partners and custodians in mutual economic cooperation and growth. Increase Free trade, give one another MFN status, mutual investments. Indian educational institutions and industries build colleges and branches in Pakistan, and in turn Pakistani entities open presence in India. Closely integrated economies over decades. Boundaries and relations between the two countries become like those among EU states.

At that time it wouldn't matter which part of Kashmir is with which nation, as the people of Pakistan and India would all feel integrated even though we are two nations, with two Kashmir. Who knows at that time, it may feel like two nations with one shared entity of Kashmir.

Into that future, Kashmir may have transformed from being a barrier between Pakistan and India to being a bridge that brings the two nations and peoples even closer.

For all this to happen we need trust from both sides. Even in Pakistan itself, there are people who distrust their their own Army and the so-called "Deep State" and take the view that it is in the Pakistan Army's interest to keep the conflict going. However, I don't prescribe to that view.

There are many great people in Pakistan and for the first time in decades we have a Government that is not the product of corrupt dynastic politics. A leader who actually cares for the poor. Whatever hope there is on the Pakistan side, rests on the shoulders of Imran Khan.

However, I'm miffed that the Indian Government completely failed to pick up on the winds of change and to accept Imran Khan's proposal when he publicly called out to Modi with his "you take one step and we'll take two steps" offer.

The ordinary person can be fooled by the press and media spin, but I expected more from Modi and his government in this respect bearing in mind all the Intelligence they have to cut through all the propaganda.

So honestly, I think we have one man that is ready for peace but this is not being reciprocated.

 

[big_gamer007]

You do realize that the Nizam of Hyderabad didn’t want to accede Hyderabad to India? Yet Patel and co annexed Hyderabad because of it’s majority Hindu population. The Nawab of Junagadh was a muslim with a Hindu majority population, he wanted to accede Junagadh to Pakistan yet India annexed it on the basis of religion.

But it doesn’t matter now, the real victims of this dispute are the Kashmiri people stuck in between a dispute they have no say in.

This is exactly the problem. India did wrong so now Pakistan doing the same wrong just because India did wrong against someone else (junagadh, Hyderabad) does it give right to Pakistan to do same to a smaller state (Kashmir) without their permission? How is this a humanitarian issue then?

This kind of attitude and ego is the reasons why Kashmir is in a mess. Two wrongs never make a right but unfortunately no one seems to understand this simple point.

Like [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] mentioned, any rational unbiased person knows now that Kashmir is an ego war between two big countries. Anyone who gives even an inch to the other side will be persecuted by their local populace. So no government will let Kashmir/Kashmiris decide their fate.

What is the solution now? For Kashmiris unfortunately they need to start thinking of their future generations. The current generation and the next generation don't have any chance of plebiscite.

Their best chance is to accept the status quo and ask the governments of respective countries for development. After few decades trust will build up and without any terrorism on either side of the border they can hope for open borders between Indian Kashmir and Pakistani Kashmir. The mindset of Indian/Pakistanis will also advance in few decades in regards to democracy and right to self determination. Then maybe after few decades if majority don't feel the status quo is correct they can push for a plebiscite. At that time because of good trust between neighbours even if they become an independent state it won't make any difference and we can still have open borders and tourism will boom.

If we think for a moment what has Kashmir given to any side?

1. Kashmiris live life of fear and under constant curfews.
2. India as a country spends billions of defence. Taxpayers like me still breathe polluted air, eat adulterated food since most of the quality food is exported.
3. Pakistan is stuck in terrorism, posters here and public in general don't understand terrorism is an ideology. There's no bad terrorist good terrorist. It's only ideology which is like a cancer and needs to be curbed.

So who has gained?

Kashmiri parties have gained, they are super rich.
Army/defence are strong with deals
West corporation supplying weapons to both side
Governments using this issue to come to power or gain kickbacks

I don't want to guess a number but if you ask me I will say 95%+ population is brainwashed and gullible who don't understand no one apart from few individuals/companies is winning this entire saga.

 

[the Great Khan]

For all this to happen we need trust from both sides. Even in Pakistan itself, there are people who distrust their their own Army and the so-called "Deep State" and take the view that it is in the Pakistan Army's interest to keep the conflict going. However, I don't prescribe to that view.

There are many great people in Pakistan and for the first time in decades we have a Government that is not the product of corrupt dynastic politics. A leader who actually cares for the poor. Whatever hope there is on the Pakistan side, rests on the shoulders of Imran Khan.

However, I'm miffed that the Indian Government completely failed to pick up on the winds of change and to accept Imran Khan's proposal when he publicly called out to Modi with his "you take one step and we'll take two steps" offer.

The ordinary person can be fooled by the press and media spin, but I expected more from Modi and his government in this respect bearing in mind all the Intelligence they have to cut through all the propaganda.

So honestly, I think we have one man that is ready for peace but this is not being reciprocated.

Modi has shown to be a small minded street level politician. Not dissimilar to Nawaz sharif.

Here was the biggest chance to do something monumental. A true peace deal. That would bring the insecurity in the region to an end. Finally.

But alas they have chosen a different path. What Modi fails to see is that he could still have gotten what he wanted through a negotiated phased approach. it would have allowed the revoking of the articles and peace with Pakistan at the same time. But he doesnt think like that. They have an innate inferiority complex that means they have to show how "big" they are by oppressing their eprcieved previous oppressor.

The !ab buchu tumhain hum dikain gay" attitude..

He isnt a statesman. Just a small minded street racist. And he should now be dealt with in such a manner!!

Because they have chosen this path Pakistan should now openly support the Kashmir cause in its full entirety and openly do it. No need to support jihadi groups but take it right to the line. The Indian fascist regime must be resisted everywhere.

 

[big_gamer007]

For all this to happen we need trust from both sides. Even in Pakistan itself, there are people who distrust their their own Army and the so-called "Deep State" and take the view that it is in the Pakistan Army's interest to keep the conflict going. However, I don't prescribe to that view.

There are many great people in Pakistan and for the first time in decades we have a Government that is not the product of corrupt dynastic politics. A leader who actually cares for the poor. Whatever hope there is on the Pakistan side, rests on the shoulders of Imran Khan.

However, I'm miffed that the Indian Government completely failed to pick up on the winds of change and to accept Imran Khan's proposal when he publicly called out to Modi with his "you take one step and we'll take two steps" offer.

The ordinary person can be fooled by the press and media spin, but I expected more from Modi and his government in this respect bearing in mind all the Intelligence they have to cut through all the propaganda.

So honestly, I think we have one man that is ready for peace but this is not being reciprocated.

The current government in India has a different ideology. Also the trust between India/Pakistan is at an all time low. So even if the current government had a different ideology I doubt they would have taken up Imran khan's offer.

It's not Imran khan's fault but india/Pakistan relations are based on history and it's perception. Parliament attack, kargil, Uri, phulwama etc etc have ruined the perception about Pakistan as a whole. I don't know about Modi level but at domestic common man level Pakistan is a state which can't be trusted and who always back stabs. Also Pakistan as a state is run by army and not elected government. That's the perception at most of the levels and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same at PM level also.

That's why I say, now the issue can't be resolved for next few decades. Best way forward is to accept status quo and build up trust and give future generations a chance for self determination. If current generation remains selfish and keeps fighting it will only ruin the chance of future generations.

It's sad from current generation perspective but for the sake of their grand kids they need to let go of their ego.

 

[IMMY69]

Modi has shown to be a small minded street level politician. Not dissimilar to Nawaz sharif.

Here was the biggest chance to do something monumental. A true peace deal. That would bring the insecurity in the region to an end. Finally.

But alas they have chosen a different path. What Modi fails to see is that he could still have gotten what he wanted through a negotiated phased approach. it would have allowed the revoking of the articles and peace with Pakistan at the same time. But he doesnt think like that. They have an innate inferiority complex that means they have to show how "big" they are by oppressing their eprcieved previous oppressor.

The !ab buchu tumhain hum dikain gay" attitude..

He isnt a statesman. Just a small minded street racist. And he should now be dealt with in such a manner!!

Because they have chosen this path Pakistan should now openly support the Kashmir cause in its full entirety and openly do it. No need to support jihadi groups but take it right to the line. The Indian fascist regime must be resisted everywhere.

I whole heartedly agree. Modi is has caused all this.

IK offered more then an olive branch. Modi refused, perhaps due to his own elections. But there were no excuses after the elections.

Pulwama happened, but no western agency has been able to verify whether that originated from Pakistan. The Indians are the only people who claim to have evidence but have refused to show it to the world.

But even after Pulwama, Imran Khan reached out to Modi and was again met with deaf ears.

He has successfully whipped a lot of his countrymen in to a frenzy of hate and I'm beginning to wonder whether he even wants to climb down from it.

 

[IMMY69]

The current government in India has a different ideology. Also the trust between India/Pakistan is at an all time low. So even if the current government had a different ideology I doubt they would have taken up Imran khan's offer.

It's not Imran khan's fault but india/Pakistan relations are based on history and it's perception. Parliament attack, kargil, Uri, phulwama etc etc have ruined the perception about Pakistan as a whole. I don't know about Modi level but at domestic common man level Pakistan is a state which can't be trusted and who always back stabs. Also Pakistan as a state is run by army and not elected government. That's the perception at most of the levels and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same at PM level also.

That's why I say, now the issue can't be resolved for next few decades. Best way forward is to accept status quo and build up trust and give future generations a chance for self determination. If current generation remains selfish and keeps fighting it will only ruin the chance of future generations.

It's sad from current generation perspective but for the sake of their grand kids they need to let go of their ego.

You speak about perception and that is right. However, people have to open their eyes and try to get over this perception.

But forget the common man for a second, we are not talking about the common man. We are talking about the Indian Government who have to rise above perception.

The correct political route would have been to engage with Imran Khan.

When Imran Khan gave that speech the people of Pakistan backed him. They didn't call him out for pandering to the Indians. That there should have been the signal for the Indian Government to engage with Pakistan.

 

[big_gamer007]

You speak about perception and that is right. However, people have to open their eyes and try to get over this perception.

But forget the common man for a second, we are not talking about the common man. We are talking about the Indian Government who have to rise above perception.

The correct political route would have been to engage with Imran Khan.

When Imran Khan gave that speech the people of Pakistan backed him. They didn't call him out for pandering to the Indians. That there should have been the signal for the Indian Government to engage with Pakistan.

If people were so smart wouldn't sub continent be a way better place right now?

People are gullible and fight for non helpful issues/ego. For majority of population building temple/mosque is much more important than building a top class educational institute or hospital on that piece of land.

When majority of population is like that then your leaders will be the same who exploit emotional issues to be in power rather than actually working hard and focus on issues such as poverty, unemployment, blackmoney, corruption, air pollution, healthcare, education, or better standard of living somewhat comparable to the west.

So you are expecting too much, sub continent isn't that evolved yet. Your mindset and line of arguments I believe comes because you are thinking from British common man perspective.

 

[IMMY69]

If people were so smart wouldn't sub continent be a way better place right now?

People are gullible and fight for non helpful issues/ego. For majority of population building temple/mosque is much more important than building a top class educational institute or hospital on that piece of land.

When majority of population is like that then your leaders will be the same who exploit emotional issues to be in power rather than actually working hard and focus on issues such as poverty, unemployment, blackmoney, corruption, air pollution, healthcare, education, or better standard of living somewhat comparable to the west.

So you are expecting too much, sub continent isn't that evolved yet. Your mindset and line of arguments I believe comes because you are thinking from British common man perspective.

But I am not talking about the people.
I am referring to the Government of India and it's extremist, hard handed approach to all this.

The Government is not serving it's people well. You only have to watch a few of your news channels to see how hate is being drummed up.

The Government has a duty to its people and so the general perception should not apply.

When a new leader of the enemy country comes on television and says 'we will take two steps if you take one' then what does that mean?

 

[cricketjoshila]

But but they didnt have border with pakistan so they couldn't join pak. Wait for joshila to come and spout nonsense.

It was reasons like you mention that tge UN stated a Plebiscite should occur in kashmir.

Why dont you check the indian independence act? Sharing of border was essential.

How would Hyderabad communicate with outside world when it was surrounded by India on all sides.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Simla agreement is as valuable as toilet paper to many Indians. This agreement is void in reality as it has been broken many many times over the years.

What really matters is for Kashmir to stay in the news agenda reguarly and for nations and UN to keep commenting.

 

[big_gamer007]

But I am not talking about the people.
I am referring to the Government of India and it's extremist, hard handed approach to all this.

The Government is not serving it's people well. You only have to watch a few of your news channels to see how hate is being drummed up.

The Government has a duty to its people and so the general perception should not apply.

When a new leader of the enemy country comes on television and says 'we will take two steps if you take one' then what does that mean?

Which government in India actually cares about the people? All governments are self serving, BJP failed massively in all their promises they made during 2014 elections so they turned 2019 elections completely about Pakistan and national security.

You are talking about what governments should do, however that's not how it works in our part of the world.

Having said the above about BJP, I would like to add whatever Imran khan's intentions might be the fact is Indian government and public believe (for obvious reasons) Pakistani civilian leadership is just dummy and can't take bold decisions themselves without Army approval.

So whatever Imran said I don't think Indian government believed him. If army chief had said that then Indian government might have been interested.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Why dont you check the indian independence act? Sharing of border was essential.

How would Hyderabad communicate with outside world when it was surrounded by India on all sides.

Same way east pakistan was suppose communicate with outside.

Mr Hari signed over kashmir to India on the assumption that Kashmir would keep its constitution and flag.

Time and time again india cant keep to agreements they cant be trusted.

Resolution 80 is there to he seen the kashmiris have a right for self determination and a plebiscite is needed as promised.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Same way east pakistan was suppose communicate with outside.

Mr Hari signed over kashmir to India on the assumption that Kashmir would keep its constitution and flag.

Time and time again india cant keep to agreements they cant be trusted.

Resolution 80 is there to he seen the kashmiris have a right for self determination and a plebiscite is needed as promised.

East pakistan had sea on one side through which it could communicate with any country.

Hyderabad was land locked on all sides by India. It started violating Indian airspace by getting weapons air dropped. This is what precipitated the action.

Hari Singh's son is alive, he has every right to dispute the accession if he wants. He has not.

India is still respecting the IWT. Has pakistan respected any treaty on Kashmir?

Resolution 47 is there on basis of which the ceasefire was agreed upon. Has pakistan implemented it?

 

[Napa]

The real question in light of recent events and unilateral strategy for Kashmir outlined by India, does the Simla agreement count for anything or is it null and void?

Here’s a quote from the Simla agreement that we keep hearing about :-

“Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation and both shall prevent the organization, assistance or encouragement of any acts detrimental to the maintenance of peace and harmonious relations.”

Where does the Kargil War figure in this?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

East pakistan had sea on one side through which it could communicate with any country.

Hyderabad was land locked on all sides by India. It started violating Indian airspace by getting weapons air dropped. This is what precipitated the action.

Hari Singh's son is alive, he has every right to dispute the accession if he wants. He has not.

India is still respecting the IWT. Has pakistan respected any treaty on Kashmir?

Resolution 47 is there on basis of which the ceasefire was agreed upon. Has pakistan implemented it?

Why u mentioning resolution 47, resolution 80 superceded it.

Modi is old he cant live forever, in another 70 years ind will still not have kashmir.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

700k indian soldiers, how much is it costing to station them in kashmir. I fear the way they going they will be there for over 70 years.

They are rationing food and feeding them dhaal, eventually ind will realise its not worth it.

 

[KingKhanWC]

700k indian soldiers, how much is it costing to station them in kashmir. I fear the way they going they will be there for over 70 years.

They are rationing food and feeding them dhaal, eventually ind will realise its not worth it.

I wonder if this chap is still alive after this?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why u mentioning resolution 47, resolution 80 superceded it.

Modi is old he cant live forever, in another 70 years ind will still not have kashmir.

Lol. India agreed to the ceasefire under resolution 47. UN cannot unilaterally change the conditions by Resolution 80.

India already has kashmir.

 

[Zeeraq]

Confident UN will do all it can to resolve tensions in Kashmir: Maleeha Lodhi

NEW YORK: Reaffirming Pakistan’s intention to take the case of India’s ‘illegal’ annexation of occupied Kashmir to the UN Security Council, Permanent Representative of Pakistan to the UN Maleeha Lodhi said the government was prepared to use any diplomatic and political option to secure justice for the oppressed Kashmiri people.

The Indian government this week rushed through a presidential decree to abolish Article 370 of the Constitution which grants special status to Indian occupied Kashmir, as tensions mounted in the disputed valley with unprecedented numbers of Indian troops deployed in the region.

“We are ready for bilateral, multilateral any format (of mediation) so long as we can get justice for the people of occupied Kashmir,” she said in an interview with Sky News.

Lodhi said India had committed violations of the UN resolutions on Kashmir, besides sabotaging peace efforts made by Pakistan for the region. “Step by step diplomacy is being put in place to address the long-standing issue of Kashmir,” she added.

The Pakistani envoy added, as per the UN charter and clauses, India cannot amend the status of Kashmir.

Earlier, the ambassador while meeting with a top aide of UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres had urged the UN chief to play his due role in the crisis sparked by India’s unlawful action in occupied Kashmir.

During the meeting with Chief of Staff of the UN Secretary-General Maria Louisa Ribeiro Viotti, the Pakistani envoy asked for the UN chief to demand that India comply with UN Security Council's resolutions on occupied Kashmir that prohibits any alteration in the status of the disputed state.

The Pakistani ambassador had underscored the need for the establishment of a Commission of Inquiry, as recommended by the two reports of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights that exposed India’s abuses in the occupied valley.

https://www.geo.tv/latest/244773-co...-to-resolve-tensions-in-kashmir-maleeha-lodhi