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It's early days yes, but so far I've not been impressed with the Pakistani batting talent on view at PSL 3.

The batsmen look a bit technically weak, lacking in intention and hesitant.

Hope the situation improves as the cupboard looks a bit bare at the moment.
 
Disappointed with PSL so far but give them couple of games. Must be nervy to play free.
 
True, have seen some decent bolwers though. That leggie for zalmi looks decent given his inexperience. Sahibzada Farhan would be one batsman to watch out for, hopefully he has a good PSL.
 
there are no high scoring games even in last two seasons as well ... make things boring
 
Nothing new so far - TTF the way forward it seems
 
I will be satisfied even with power hitters, but that too none yet, in PSL.
 
Which batting talent have we looked up at here?

Saif Badar got one chance to bat that too at #7.

Do you recognize Iftikhar Ahmed as Talent?
 
Hussian Talat?


Played excellent today in a very very pressure situation, carried his side home by absorbing some pressure early on and then smashing it about to close the game. A very mature innings. He is ready for international cricket.
 
Syed1 said:
Hussian Talat?


Played excellent today in a very very pressure situation, carried his side home by absorbing some pressure early on and then smashing it about to close the game. A very mature innings. He is ready for international cricket.
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Even if he is not he is already very good for Pakistani standards.

This man is probably the best batting talent after Babar Azam in Pakistan.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Even if he is not he is already very good for Pakistani standards.

This man is probably the best batting talent after Babar Azam in Pakistan.
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He is from Bobby's batch of u19 which has been very productive for Pakistan. I think the boys were selected and coached right in that batch, and yes I agree he is a very good talent. Reminds me of Sangakara in certain aspects. I say get him in the squad atleast, he won't learn much if he keeps playing in domestics.
 
Sahibzada Farhan
Hussain Talat
Saif Badar
Saud Shakeel

They all deserve chances. Talat has already repaid the “PP darling” faith, and Sahibzada looked good until he got a good ball.
 
babajee said:
Sahibzada Farhan
Hussain Talat
Saif Badar
Saud Shakeel

They all deserve chances. Talat has already repaid the “PP darling” faith, and Sahibzada looked good until he got a good ball.
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Which team does Shakeel play for? Sad that he hasn't featured yet.
 
I was also happy with Fahim's innings, although it was for only 12 runs but he showed immense patience and temperament and ability to knock it about. Goes to show he is not just one trick pony who can only go in 5th gear. A huge contrast from his 30 ball 50 in the last innings, but imo a better innings.
 
Syed1 said:
He is from Bobby's batch of u19 which has been very productive for Pakistan. I think the boys were selected and coached right in that batch, and yes I agree he is a very good talent. Reminds me of Sangakara in certain aspects. I say get him in the squad atleast, he won't learn much if he keeps playing in domestics.
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Last year it was Shadab who got in on the basis of PSL. This year it has to be Hussain Talat. 2018 is the year for him otherwise he will get wasted in the system.

Hussain should replace Hafeez in our ODI/T20 setup. A very good option for 4/5 and do not forget he can bowl well. A genuine 138 + kph bowler.
 
Syed1 said:
I was also happy with Fahim's innings, although it was for only 12 runs but he showed immense patience and temperament and ability to knock it about. Goes to show he is not just one trick pony who can only go in 5th gear. A huge contrast from his 30 ball 50 in the last innings, but imo a better innings.
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Showed great temperament. He could be useful for the test team as well if he continues to progress.
 
Also guys like Zeeshan Malik, Umair Masood and Nasir Nawaz have gone unpicked :facepalm:

There’s quite a lot of batting talent in Pakistan it’s just silly draft picks by TTF lovers
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Last year it was Shadab who got in on the basis of PSL. This year it has to be Hussain Talat. 2018 is the year for him otherwise he will get wasted in the system.

Hussain should replace Hafeez in our ODI/T20 setup. A very good option for 4/5 and do not forget he can bowl well. A genuine 138 + kph bowler.
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He's much needed in LOI teams
 
There is so much batting talent: Hussain Talat, Shahibzada Farhan, Sohail Akhtar. Now if you want to play the likes of Bilal Asif at No 3 then thats your issue or rave over TTF such as Shahzad.

My Pakistan XI:

F Zaman,
S Akhtar
B Azam
H Sohail
Sarfaraz
Talat
Faheem
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Amir
Shinwari

If only I was a selector.
 
Syed1 said:
He is from Bobby's batch of u19 which has been very productive for Pakistan. I think the boys were selected and coached right in that batch, and yes I agree he is a very good talent. Reminds me of Sangakara in certain aspects. I say get him in the squad atleast, he won't learn much if he keeps playing in domestics.
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Bobby?
 
King-Misbah said:
There is so much batting talent: Hussain Talat, Shahibzada Farhan, Sohail Akhtar. Now if you want to play the likes of Bilal Asif at No 3 then thats your issue or rave over TTF such as Shahzad.

My Pakistan XI:

F Zaman,
S Akhtar
B Azam
H Sohail
Sarfaraz
Talat
Faheem
Shadab
Hassan Ali
Amir
Shinwari

If only I was a selector.
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Sohail akhtar is too old now. Not wise to invest in him unless it's for some T20's.
 
In the last 5 years or so, our domestic setup hasn't produced a single batsman such as the likes of Kohli, Root or Williamson. We need to change things at the grass root level.
 
Talat was good today. Hope we see Saud Shakeel. These are the only two to look up to in my book. I agree with Saj not much talent in batting in Pakistan.
 
punter17 said:
In the last 5 years or so, our domestic setup hasn't produced a single batsman such as the likes of Kohli, Root or Williamson. We need to change things at the grass root level.
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Well... Haris could have been. He should have been a regular since 2011.
 
batting talent has been close to none - but I'm not surprised by that, you look at domestic, and the U19 WC - its clear the batting talent isn't coming thru the same way as the bowlers are

and thats reflected in the Pakistani teams
 
How many countries are producing 5-6 top notch batsmen in a year?


Last year we "found" Fakhar, this year if we are lucky we may have Talat and maybe Shakeel or Sohail Akhtar.


You lot have huge expectations from the PSL and when your expectations are not met you are deeply dejected.


The IPL has been running for 10 years but India just recalled 31 year old Raina to bat in the middle order since no youngster was good enough to be picked in his place.
 
Syed1 said:
How many countries are producing 5-6 top notch batsmen in a year?


Last year we "found" Fakhar, this year if we are lucky we may have Talat and maybe Shakeel or Sohail Akhtar.


You lot have huge expectations from the PSL and when your expectations are not met you are deeply dejected.


The IPL has been running for 10 years but India just recalled 31 year old Raina to bat in the middle order since no youngster was good enough to be picked in his place.
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People need to take off their negative tinted glasses and realise that Pakistan cricket is on an upward trajectory.
 
Exactly I've been happy with the competition so far ,

Islamabad united have been a revelation Hussain talat excellent knock .

The bowling has been excellent top class that's why there's not the consistent big scores just shows we have a lot of talented bowlers in t20 format which is the future of cricket not test cricket which will be dead soon ,

also the Dubai pitch has favoured the Seamers due to the grass and cooler condition.
Once we move later to Sharjah you will see a much flatter wicket and a bit more atmosphere in the stadium.

The only negative thing atm is the crowd but we can't do anything about that until psl is held in Pakistan then you will see more crowds
 
Saj said:
It's early days yes, but so far I've not been impressed with the Pakistani batting talent on view at PSL 3.

The batsmen look a bit technically weak, lacking in intention and hesitant.

Hope the situation improves as the cupboard looks a bit bare at the moment.
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problem is tested tried failure batsmen are playing over young untested batsmen; for example Asad Shafiq is playing over Saad Ali :facepalm:
 
Haris Sohail has been atrocious in PSL so far.

His scores this season : 1 (5), 14 (15), 4 (5):haris

He's had enough chances, last season he used the excuse of 'recovery and comeback'. Now he's failing again, Khushdil should replace him for now. Even Talat makes the most of his limited chances, he's already played 2 brilliant knocks in 4 or 5 PSL matches.
 
Enjoyed Hussain Talat's innings today.

Batted responsibly and then hit some big shots at the end.
 
What has been especially disappointing is the way they played spin. It was as if they saw flight for the first time in their lives. They are far too used to darters in FC cricket so much so that they were playing flighted deliveries off the back foot. Consequently Tahir feasted on their poor techniques. We always had problems against pace but if this is how we are playing spin then something is seriously wrong. Asif Ali, Sohail Akhtar, Sahibzada Farhan all displayed poor footwork against spin.
 
Must appreciate Hussain Talat here. He looked ready for national colours last year, it will be criminal if he doesn't get selected.

Quetta should give a go to Saud Shakeel. I want to see how he goes and he will be an improvement over Shafiq.
 
The way Pak fans bash Kohli at any given chances, I thought they must have seen much better prodpects than Kohli in their domestic circuit and they should be the last people to worry about their batting future. Was not expecting them to worry about their batting atm.
 
yeah was so excited to see some new faces but most of the new players can't even do better than hafeez, someone we bash every game. umar amin is called talented but even againtst 133kphs he is not moving his feet towards the ball, even a sunday league cricketer like me will move his feet atlast. looking at this batting, i feel like going to pakistan and trying out bc without practice i am batting like umar amin so maybe with practice daily i will be better than him. what is worse is the lack of intent of every batsman, they are not looking for singles and don't really have a plan. dot dot dot and then try to hit and get out. what is worse is that asad shafiq type players are picked but mukhtar ahmed and shahzaib hasan aren't, atleast those are t20 players and may give you a fast start. psl is not good for us viewers, disappointed by mostly everyone. i already say talat and he is good from last time but now he is being used lower instead of opening
 
Well the young players need to be given a proper and fair chance first.
 
Is PSL some magic factory that will produce talent? all the talent comes through domestic cricket which is atrocious ruled by dinosaurs like Haroon Rashid.
 
kuskash said:
The way Pak fans bash Kohli at any given chances, I thought they must have seen much better prodpects than Kohli in their domestic circuit and they should be the last people to worry about their batting future. Was not expecting them to worry about their batting atm.
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Most Pakistani fans appreciate Virat Kohli, rather than slate him.
 
Lack of local batting talent in the PSL

I have said it in my previous thread as well that there is almost zero local batting talent in PSL. All of them are either failures like Maqsood, Umar or players like Sangakkara. LQ had a golden chance to include a local batsmen when the squads were announced to be increased to 21 but they instead went for Grade 2 performer in Australia and absolute crap like Imran Khan Jr when they knew they lacked batting talent, They could have easily gone for someone like Mohammad Saad, Sami Aslam, Rizwan Hussain or even Imam Ul Haq. QG are not willing to get rid of Shafiq, Anwar and Hassan Khan even though they both have been average performers and could be easily replaced by Saad Ali, Saud Shakeel and Azam Khan. KK don't have any local batsmen apart from Babar and Manzoor. I don't think they will play Mohammad Taha at all. Peshawar Zalmi could do away with Haris Sohail who is a joke of a player in this format and could replace him with Saad Nasim or Khushdil Shah. Less said about local batting talent of Multan Sultans the better. Their tail literally starts at number 7 when Tanvir whereas in current times, even number 11 is expected to bat a bit. Islamabad United is only the team to have taken the punt with young batsmen but even they will be replaced when Misbah gets fit to play. Luke Ronchi is a massive failure and a has-been player but still, he is eating up a spot when he could be easily replaced by Mohammad Hassan the wicketkeeper who is a good player.
 
Shera said:
They could have easily gone for someone like Mohammad Saad, Sami Aslam, Rizwan Hussain or even Imam Ul Haq.
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Sorry what format is this?

Shera said:
Peshawar Zalmi could do away with Haris Sohail who is a joke of a player in this format and could replace him with Saad Nasim or Khushdil Shah.
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Replace one of the best batsmen in the country for comedians with a willow like Saad Nasim, I've heard it all now
 
HuzaifaE said:
Sorry what format is this?



Replace one of the best batsmen in the country for comedians with a willow like Saad Nasim, I've heard it all now
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Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam performed in the National T20 Cup in 2017. They could have been easily selected over that vaahiyaat bowler Imran Khan Junior and Salman Irshad who has been fooling the whole PP and Pakistani cricket fans by taking wickets in galli mohala level cricket.
 
Shera said:
Imam Ul Haq and Sami Aslam performed in the National T20 Cup in 2017. They could have been easily selected over that vaahiyaat bowler Imran Khan Junior and Salman Irshad who has been fooling the whole PP and Pakistani cricket fans by taking wickets in galli mohala level cricket.
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Not sure you quite get how a team is selected, you need a contingent of bowlers and a contingent of batsman, why you'd advocate top order batsman take the spot of a fast bowler is beyond me.
 
HuzaifaE said:
Not sure you quite get how a team is selected, you need a contingent of bowlers and a contingent of batsman, why you'd advocate top order batsman take the spot of a fast bowler is beyond me.
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They have already got so many bowlers. Their whole emerging players quota is filled by the bowlers. They don't even have a single middle order batsmen that's why you saw that strange lineup where Hasan Raza was batting at number 7.
 
HuzaifaE said:
Not sure you quite get how a team is selected, you need a contingent of bowlers and a contingent of batsman, why you'd advocate top order batsman take the spot of a fast bowler is beyond me.
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He has a point though. Lahore has selected too many bowlers which apart from making their batting weaker has resulted in some good prospects getting selected in teams with stronger batting lineups. If Saud or Badar had an emerging quota spot in LQ, there was greater possibility of them getting their chances by now.
 
LordEddardStark said:
He has a point though. Lahore has selected too many bowlers which apart from making their batting weaker has resulted in some good prospects getting selected in teams with stronger batting lineups. If Saud or Badar had an emerging quota spot in LQ, there was greater possibility of them getting their chances by now.
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They also made an effort to advance youth by picking Shaheen, are we going to not give them credit for that? Sohail Akhtar walked in at 6 down in game 2, the quality of batsmen is an issue and that's a like for like problem, not really a squad selection issue.
 
A thread like this in the first three days of PSL sounds like just complaining. At least a week should be given to assess any sort of talent.
 
HuzaifaE said:
They also made an effort to advance youth by picking Shaheen, are we going to not give them credit for that? Sohail Akhtar walked in at 6 down in game 2, the quality of batsmen is an issue and that's a like for like problem, not really a squad selection issue.
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Not just Shaheen, they deserve to be commended to pick Ghulam Mudasser, Salman Irshad and to introduce Irfan Jr. in 2nd season too. However all I am talking about is non inclusion of a batsman in emerging quota. These 3 seem to be great pace prospects but not everyone of them would get a chance in PSL. If they had picked a batsman instead of one of these pacers, this would have been better for both.
 
hafizexpress said:
A thread like this in the first three days of PSL sounds like just complaining. At least a week should be given to assess any sort of talent.
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But in a league consisting of 30 odd matches, 7 have been played already and there has just one impressive innings from Talat
 
I for one believe its PCB's fault for not forcing teams to focus more on young talent. Unlike India which has a better talent pool and domestic structure than us, PSL is the only real chance for Pakistani youngsters to showcase their talents. PCB should have used this to give as much chance to younger players as possible. It should have asked all teams to pick at least 4-5 uncapped players in their squads and play 2 or even 3 every game (given the mediocre foreign talent on show, it would have been far better to decrease the foreign player limit to 3 and give a chance to young players instead). Without that there is very little chance for youngsters with captains like Misbah and Malik at the helm.
 
There are hundreds of players like Hussain Talat who perform in IPL every year: Nitish Rana, Tripathi, Vohra, Pant etc yet there's one such player in PSL and people are losing their minds and even comparing him to Lara.
 
Shera said:
There are hundreds of players like Hussain Talat who perform in IPL every year: Nitish Rana, Tripathi, Vohra, Pant etc yet there's one such player in PSL and people are losing their minds and even comparing him to Lara.
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Yeah because from the PSL we have got Sharjeel Khan, Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Shadab Khan who have all made their mark on international cricket.

Clearly PSL products > IPL products. :salute

Talat will be another one of those.
 
UN talkz said:
But in a league consisting of 30 odd matches, 7 have been played already and there has just one impressive innings from Talat
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But you can't judge the batsmen off their first game or two. I get the technical and intention part where some batsmen may be looking weak and hesitant but you have to consider most of them don't play often in a big platform like this; so it's best to give them some time. Unfair to judge batsmen based off their first game or two
 
babajee said:
Yeah because from the PSL we have got Sharjeel Khan, Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Shadab Khan who have all made their mark on international cricket.

Clearly PSL products > IPL products. :salute

Talat will be another one of those.
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It's harder to get into the Indian team
 
Sahibzada Farhan, Agha Salman looked okay during their short stay.

Hussain Talat is probably the best deal. But we already knew that as he had shown that in PSL2 against Quetta.
 
hafizexpress said:
It's harder to get into the Indian team
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That doesn't seem to be true, otherwise a 31 year old Raina wouldn't be making a comeback, and even on his best day Raina was a run-of-the-mill batsman.
 
babajee said:
Yeah because from the PSL we have got Sharjeel Khan, Hasan Ali, Fakhar Zaman and Shadab Khan who have all made their mark on international cricket.

Clearly PSL products > IPL products. :salute

Talat will be another one of those.
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India doesn't generally give out Intl caps based on few IPL performances.. they expect to have some first class, List A experience.. India has a fine first class setup for your information.. ALl IPL superstars have some first class background either before they become IPL superstars or after that... One recent exception is Pandya. His brother Krunal is finding out that hard way..

Pakistan has a horrible first class setup.. for them PSL is an excellent platform..
 
Can't judge batsmen on these turning seaming wickets. I will wait for sharjah pitches and hope sahibzada farhan and sohail akhtar can stand up and be counted
 
Syed1 said:
That doesn't seem to be true, otherwise a 31 year old Raina wouldn't be making a comeback, and even on his best day Raina was a run-of-the-mill batsman.
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Raina is the highest run getter in the IPL. He's a very consistent performer and is a better batsman than any Pakistani batsman except Babar in limited overs cricket. It's not easy at all like you think. A bit like being a bowler in Pakistan.
 
Mr.Q said:
Raina is the highest run getter in the IPL. He's a very consistent performer and is a better batsman than any Pakistani batsman except Babar in limited overs cricket. It's not easy at all like you think. A bit like being a bowler in Pakistan.
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Hahahahhaha ok bro your saffron is showing :)))
 
Syed1 said:
That doesn't seem to be true, otherwise a 31 year old Raina wouldn't be making a comeback, and even on his best day Raina was a run-of-the-mill batsman.
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Blame lies with selector for not introducing yongsters. But 31 year old Raina is still beast specially his proven track record in WorldCup

Upcoming Tri series is important as youngsters getting chance.
 
CanadianG00se said:
Rather than attacking him personally why not counter his argument? He isnt wrong saying Raina is better than most Pakistani batsmen bar one or two.
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No man every Indian batsman currently playing is better than every Pakistani who has ever picked up the bat.
 
Mr.Q said:
Raina is the highest run getter in the IPL. He's a very consistent performer and is a better batsman than any Pakistani batsman except Babar in limited overs cricket. It's not easy at all like you think. A bit like being a bowler in Pakistan.
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Raina is far better than Babar. He is a high impact player and a pure match-winner. In fact throughout Pakistan's history, there are only a handful of batsman that can be considered better than Raina in Limited Overs.

India have a huge batting legacy due to which brilliant players like Raina etc. are often underrated. If he was a Pakistani, he would have been a Limited Overs legend for us.
 
PSL continues to expose how rubbish our batting stocks are. People talking about how PSL has given us Fakhar and Sharjeel etc. need to realize that these two would not have made the Indian team. They are nowhere near the likes of Rohit and Dhawan.

Hasan would make the Indian team, but Shadab will not either. India have better leg-spinners than him.

IPL has given India better talents than the PSL, but since India is leagues above Pakistan, getting into the Indian team is a much tougher ask.
 
Syed1 said:
Hahahahhaha ok bro your saffron is showing :)))
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Really who is that better batsman in Pakistan team than Raina? he is just 31 around same as your captain and an excellent batsman.. he is certainly better than babar, harris, Moha, Fakhar and others in your team.
 
Pakistani batsmen barring one or two, have been pathetic.
 
Mamoon said:
PSL continues to expose how rubbish our batting stocks are. People talking about how PSL has given us Fakhar and Sharjeel etc. need to realize that these two would not have made the Indian team. They are nowhere near the likes of Rohit and Dhawan.

Hasan would make the Indian team, but Shadab will not either. India have better leg-spinners than him.

IPL has given India better talents than the PSL, but since India is leagues above Pakistan, getting into the Indian team is a much tougher ask.
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Once again.. do you think the best batsmen in Pakistan have been selected in the PSL/or getting games?
 
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