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Unlike PSL, IPL isn't producing players for the national team - Why?

babajee said:
Rohit is an upgraded version of Ahmed Shehzad.
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Outside Asia + SC yes he is, that innings in the group stage match against Pakistan was such a Shehzad esque knock and simply epitomises this. Hardly ever saw that SR hover above 60 and then ended his 91 runs @ 76.

When he perfect batting conditions + small Indian grounds he is a beast but that's his capacity right there. No joke - the likes of Imran Nazir if he was playing in this era, with his talent and on such flat Pakistan wickets (where 350+ would be par) I would back him to score a double hundred.
 
Rishta Aunty said:
All fair points that I effectively alluded to even in my comment. I rate Dhawan much more than Rohit; however, removing my green tinted specs, the average neutral will still pick him over Fakhar right now. With right now being the qualifying statement; Fakhar simply has had too short a career. With more such performances I can definitely see him getting there, but right now I'd say that would be a step too far. Give Fakhar a year and sure; he's got technical flaws but delivering on a big day is something that he has been there and done. The closest Rohit innings was against Bangladesh in the 2015 World Cup QF; which obviously says a lot about him by itself.

The thing with Rohit is I actually feel that attack matters less than how true the pitch is. He can smoke the best attack going (done a fair few times against Aus) on a good deck. And most ODI decks nowadays are pretty much that. Can you otherwise imagine a Jason Roy doing what he did against Aus?
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Ok assuming there was no ICC tournaments coming nearby, you could afford to play Rohit and have that faith that one day he is going to deliver on the big stage when that time comes since he has far more ability than Fakhar however if the WC was around the corner (say this summer) and you have Dhawan, Rohit and Fakhar as openers it would be irrational to pick Rohit over Fakhar especially when the latter outperformed the king Shikhar Dhawan in last year's CT according to Agarkar and Dravid on Cricinfo.

Your point about all pitches being flat - yes they are but that doesn't make the same or even similar. The par score for an ODI surface is 300 and that would be on a typical flat surface. Rohit on the other hand thrives on even truer wickets, where there isn't excessive steep bounce, no lateral movement and an exploit of small grounds. These wickets are actually 350+ - that is a difference of almost 20%!
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am going to revisit this thread in few years lol I will sure have lot of laughs.
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Please do - India may win the WC but Rohit will be a failure. Lazy, selfish and mentally weak players stand no chance of delivering on the big stage regardless of their level of talent and ability.
 
backfootpunch said:
Outside Asia + SC yes he is, that innings in the group stage match against Pakistan was such a Shehzad esque knock and simply epitomises this. Hardly ever saw that SR hover above 60 and then ended his 91 runs @ 76.

When he perfect batting conditions + small Indian grounds he is a beast but that's his capacity right there. No joke - the likes of Imran Nazir if he was playing in this era, with his talent and on such flat Pakistan wickets (where 350+ would be par) I would back him to score a double hundred.
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yea upgraded version of Ahmed shezad scored a 60 plus in CT final against raging Brett Lee when India was in spot of bother. We also make fun of him. But his ability against pace and bounce is undoubtedly far superior to any of the pakistan batsman ever played. His only issue is movement. We all know how lot of pak batsmen struggle moment there is some bounce on the wicket. All the hacks will be exposed in due course.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...vs-india-1st-final-aus-tri-series-cb-2007-08/
 
backfootpunch said:
Please do - India may win the WC but Rohit will be a failure. Lazy, selfish and mentally weak players stand no chance of delivering on the big stage regardless of their level of talent and ability.
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In the world T20 2007 against SA on a very juicy pitch he made 50. On the same pitch SA was reduced to 13/4 by RP singh.
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
yea upgraded version of Ahmed shezad scored a 60 plus in CT final against raging Brett Lee when India was in spot of bother. We also make fun of him. But his ability against pace and bounce is undoubtedly far superior to any of the pakistan batsman ever played. His only issue is movement. We all know how lot of pak batsmen struggle moment there is some bounce on the wicket. All the hacks will be exposed in due course.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...vs-india-1st-final-aus-tri-series-cb-2007-08/
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Which Champions trophy final was this? I missed this match - a scorecard would be appreciated love.

I'm not concerned about bi laterals or tri/quadrangular series btw.
 
backfootpunch said:
Which Champions trophy final was this? I missed this match - a scorecard would be appreciated love.

I'm not concerned about bi laterals or tri/quadrangular series btw.
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Well. you get to final once in your life time. If you fail that doesn't mean you suck lol That is a very lame way of judging a player. Then pandya must be next bradman then as he smashed your bowlers all over. In the same CT didn't he score a 50 against your team.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
In the world T20 2007 against SA on a very juicy pitch he made 50. On the same pitch SA was reduced to 13/4 by RP singh.
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You quoted me from a post of mine based on a 50 over tournament i.e. WC next year. This T20 innings was 10 years ago and will have no bearing in English conditions where he will face lateral movement at pace against the likes of Amir, Boult, Starc et al
 
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jnaveen1980 said:
Well. you get to final once in your life time. If you fail that doesn't mean you suck lol That is a very lame way of judging a player. Then pandya must be next bradman then as he smashed your bowlers all over. In the same CT didn't he score a 50 against your team.
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Bro I wouldn't judge him from a final because by that standard I wouldn't rate Kohli but I actually think he's on his way to becoming best ODI player of all time.

I judge Rohit on his performances against top 5/6 sides in ICC ODI tournaments and let's be honest it isn't great is it?
 
backfootpunch said:
You quoted me from a post of mine based on a 50 over tournament i.e. WC next year. This T20 innings was 10 years ago and will have no bearing in English conditions where he will face lateral movement at pace against the likes of Amir, Boult, Starc et al
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Pak batsmen are experts against lateral movement?
 
backfootpunch said:
Bro I wouldn't judge him from a final because by that standard I wouldn't rate Kohli but I actually think he's on his way to becoming best ODI player of all time.

I judge Rohit on his performances against top 5/6 sides in ICC ODI tournaments and let's be honest it isn't great is it?
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Yes i have made several jokes about him. But also i understand his strengths. He is a game changer on his day. Just check his record over the last 3 years. Apart from SA he has done well in other parts. His century in Australia is as good as any. Write him off at your will. WHen the opposition runs into him after he gets over his initial nerves he will annihilate the opposition. I won't bet against him in England.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pak batsmen are experts against lateral movement?
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lol this isn't about bashing Indian players if you think what this is about. I just don't rate Rohit. I always have time for Kohli and Dhawan. That's what true batsmanship is about.

As for your comment about Pak batsmen being experts against lateral movement, when the 2 teams last played, Azhar Ali showed Rohit with his 50 how it's done without forgetting he is one of Pakistan's worst ODI players of all time. Says a lot doesn't it?
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Yes i have made several jokes about him. But also i understand his strengths. He is a game changer on his day. Just check his record over the last 3 years. Apart from SA he has done well in other parts. His century in Australia is as good as any. Write him off at your will. WHen the opposition runs into him after he gets over his initial nerves he will annihilate the opposition. I won't bet against him in England.
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At best he will make impact less runs like he did in the group stage game against Pak last year. I need to see that this guy has the mental strength and changes from his lazy and selfish approach when he needs to score crucial runs like for e.g. in a big run chases in Eng/Aus/NZ/SA and actually see his team through and bat at least 35-40 overs or a brisk hundred to take the pressure off the middle order. But that will never happen against good bowling attacks outside Asia because of the way he bats overs 1 - 10.
 
backfootpunch said:
lol this isn't about bashing Indian players if you think what this is about. I just don't rate Rohit. I always have time for Kohli and Dhawan. That's what true batsmanship is about.

As for your comment about Pak batsmen being experts against lateral movement, when the 2 teams last played, Azhar Ali showed Rohit with his 50 how it's done without forgetting he is one of Pakistan's worst ODI players of all time. Says a lot doesn't it?
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All the more reason it was just an aberration.Rohit sharma has initial jitters always. Kudos to Amir to bowl a good one to him early on. If India had batted first we would be talking about something else.
 
backfootpunch said:
lol this isn't about bashing Indian players if you think what this is about. I just don't rate Rohit. I always have time for Kohli and Dhawan. That's what true batsmanship is about.

As for your comment about Pak batsmen being experts against lateral movement, when the 2 teams last played, Azhar Ali showed Rohit with his 50 how it's done without forgetting he is one of Pakistan's worst ODI players of all time. Says a lot doesn't it?
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Yes Azhar Ali is better then Rohit and Agarkar is better than Sachin for his 100 at Lord's in the same game. Now I've seen all kinds of absurdity on PP.
 
rhony said:
Yes Azhar Ali is better then Rohit and Agarkar is better than Sachin for his 100 at Lord's in the same game. Now I've seen all kinds of absurdity on PP.
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Never implied Azhar Ali was better than Rohit as I clearly mentioned he is one of the worst ODI players to play for Pakistan. This was a tongue in cheek response to someone bashing Pakistan's ability to play lateral movement.
 
backfootpunch said:
Yes he has technical issues and doesn't have the same talent as Rohit, but however gifted you are you need other attributes like mental, work ethic, playing for the best interests in the team which is where Rohit falls short.
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Rohit has more character and courage in his left toenail than any other player you are comparing him with.
 
backfootpunch said:
Never implied Azhar Ali was better than Rohit as I clearly mentioned he is one of the worst ODI players to play for Pakistan. This was a tongue in cheek response to someone bashing Pakistan's ability to play lateral movement.
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Azhar is an excellent test batsman. That should explain his ability to play lateral movement
 
backfootpunch said:
You quoted me from a post of mine based on a 50 over tournament i.e. WC next year. This T20 innings was 10 years ago and will have no bearing in English conditions where he will face lateral movement at pace against the likes of Amir, Boult, Starc et al
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You are mistaken if you think the ODI WC will have lateral movement. It will be flat as patna. Other than the precious CT, England only produces pattas. And thats what they will produce because thats what the England team is best at.
 
I guess Bumrah, Sundar, Chahal and Kuldeep dropped from heaven. Bhuvi has also improved his bowling in the IPL.

I also heard the better Pandya is yet to be picked by the selectors.
 
I'm new here, but it's amazing how every thread eventually ends up as a trolling fest between Pakistan and India fans.

With respect to the actual thread topic: Both the IPL and PSL are producing players for the national team, but they can only augment an existing strong first-class structure not replace it. That's my two-cents.
 
Sidilicious said:
You are mistaken if you think the ODI WC will have lateral movement. It will be flat as patna. Other than the precious CT, England only produces pattas. And thats what they will produce because thats what the England team is best at.
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The new ball will swing for 5 overs or so and this is where Rohit will struggle - yes a small window in an innings but that's all it takes for quality swing bowlers like Starc, Boult and Amir to run through the top order as evident from Amir in last year's CT final.

Everyone knows the pitches aren't expected to seam or spin but these wickets are still faster than what he loves face in India, so Rohit will not be in his comfort zone when he's up against a quality pace attack.
 
Napa said:
Rohit has more character and courage in his left toenail than any other player you are comparing him with.
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On display in the final last year, 2015 WC semi and all the games he's played against top 6 ODI teams in ICC 50 over events since 2013 CT.

Fakhar Zaman delivered against every world class bowling attack with clutch knocks last year in the winning campaign. Even Dravid and Agarker said after the final he was even better than Dhawan in that tournament and in fact the best batsman after its conclusion.
 
backfootpunch said:
The new ball will swing for 5 overs or so and this is where Rohit will struggle - yes a small window in an innings but that's all it takes for quality swing bowlers like Starc, Boult and Amir to run through the top order as evident from Amir in last year's CT final.

Everyone knows the pitches aren't expected to seam or spin but these wickets are still faster than what he loves face in India, so Rohit will not be in his comfort zone when he's up against a quality pace attack.
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And you think every time Indian top order fails like CT'17 final? Conclusion from one match performance may not be logical in the long run. IND is No.1 ranked team for being consistent !
 
IndianFan2018 said:
And you think every time Indian top order fails like CT'17 final? Conclusion from one match performance may not be logical in the long run. IND is No.1 ranked team for being consistent !
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Rohit played a role in the 2015 WC semi as well - these 2 were biggest matches where he had a chance to deliver but looked so unconvincing where you could see from his body language that he was hopeless.
 
backfootpunch said:
Rohit played a role in the 2015 WC semi as well - these 2 were biggest matches where he had a chance to deliver but looked so unconvincing where you could see from his body language that he was hopeless.
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Not every player will deliver on knockout stages, some will help team to get to knockout stages and some other top order batsman may deliver on that day. Cricket is a team game :19:

Overall Ind is second best in ICC tournaments for a reason.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Yes! Sundar played against the same minnow Lanka that defeated your full test team in your own backyard and that definitely qualifies as an international outing! And Sundar is the man of the series award winner in an international tri-series outing! Talat is a nobody as of now when it comes to international arena and no matter how high you talk about him, it doesn't matter to neutral fans unless he proves himself against international sides!
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You mean the same minnow Lanka team that were whitewashed 5-0, and 3-0 in ODI and T20s respectively, in the same tour?
 
Some of the posters here are so delusional, trolling rohit for his test performances is ok but in odis he is better than any batsman produced by pak in last 15 years.
If he was a pakistani he would already have been a pakistani odi great avg of 45, at str rate 86.
His peformances against aus in aus has been amazing. His innings of 153 against a ferocious starc was one of the best he ever played. Combine with this his unbelievable record of 3 doubles in odi. One of them being more than what whole pakistani team scores.
Rohit doesn't have a very good innings in
Wc knockouts (against non minnows) but he has atleast one worldcup and ct left in him. I am sure he'll do that.
These posters rate hacks like sharjeel and troll rohit.
 
Obviously the fans remember only the last game. It was a final. Pak fans have bragging rights until india reverses it in the WC next year. This CT win is like Miandad's six. The decimation has rejuvenated the entire base. Pak team and fans are no more resigned to the fate after India's dominance in the last few years. I expect Pak to win against India in the world cup and break the jinx.
 
Kohli said:
And Hussain gets MOM on his debut.
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I think purpose of ipl is money and psl is to bring cricket to Pak and identify talent. Do u agree about ipl purpose or does ipl have other purposes?
 
The difference is IPL is an additional feather in the cap for Indian domestic players....Indian domestic system is so strong and organized that you are still expected to pay your dues at that level and if you show up in IPL then you get an entry into international cricket or atleast it eases up the process.

Not taking a dig, I obviously don’t follow Pakistan domestic cricket but going by the “experts” and “legends” of Pakistani cricket who keep saying “system ko theek Karo” “system kharaab hai” etc etc it gives an impression that Pakistani domestic system is in the doldrums...so any one who shows an odd spark in PSL is hyped up and is given a shot at internationals more as a desperation than an actual well thought out process.

Let us take an example of guys like Krunal Pandya or Sanju Samson...they both have had moments of brilliance in the IPL and they have tremendous potential but they don’t have stellar performances at the domestic level as far as I know,so there is a performance curve for Indian players to get in.

On the other hand Shadab Khan who I think is a very good talent is brought straight into the international level, while that is good enough for T20 or the odd ODI but the result is he looks like a deer caught in headlights in tests.

Thats what separates a player who paid his dues to someone who shows the odd spark.

People might say India has fast tracked Kohli,Ashwin,Jadeja or even Hardik Pandya based on IPL...sure they shone bright in the IPL but they also have had very impressive domestic performances or A tour games or where identified at U-19 level or a combination of all of the above . They did enough to prove that the selectors can take a punt with them.

IPL or PSL should be a platform to make yourself a household name but the performances there shouldn’t be a ticket to international cricket unless you paid your dues at all levels and have backed up with performances.

There is a reason India is a top team in all 3 formats and Pakistan is struggling in 2 formats but are good at T20...again this is not a measuring contest but it is a fact....in before people bring up CT for the millionth time....as I said flash in the pan performances is what is the theme of this post.

If that is what you are content with then Good for you.PSL throwing up more players is not something to gloat about really. For example I think taking a punt on young Shaheen Afridi is ok because I remember there was a thread where he impressed in domestics as well and obviously showed spark in u-19 and probably did well in PSL(correct me if I am wrong).
 
The good news is that with CMA getting a champions trophy out of his players, plus steadily improving results in T20 and ODIs he's bought himself some time. I can't understate how important that was-taking India to the cleaners just two weeks after getting destroyed by them shows that the team has the right attitude and has clearly skilled players.
Plus now you can look at the leadership in the team. When CMA started his fittest players were Misbah and Younis, the oldest men in the team. Whatever else he did, he got those two to pass along their example to the new players, particularly Fakhar, Shadab, and Hasan Ali. Those three are absolutely leaders in this team.
Sarfraz has gotten the knack of captaincy right, and while it's time to start looking at his succession plan, we should expect him to play through 2021 at least. He has the aggression and desire to win that molds this team together.
As far as PSL goes, I would rate it as a net positive, but long term it needs to be the golden goose that helps funds improvements in the domestic and international infrastructure. It needs to make lots and lots of money, which once it moves back to Pakistan I expect it will do so without any issue. That money will allow PCB to fix the pitches, to have the academies in Lahore, Karachi, and elsewhere running at full capacity, and buying international standard equipment and coaching. That is what IPL does.
I recognize however that every board has a somewhat different vision for how to develop a great player. PSL recognizes the need for an even contest between bat and ball,and given that many top bowlers are not available for the PSL (Starc, Steyn, Bumrah, etc), the best way they can do this is to develop those bowlers internally. It's become something of an embarassment of riches with how many quality bowlers Pakistan is producing-it won't be much longer until we're back to where we need to be. Bowling has moved into a modern era-and Pakistan is showing the way on how to capitalize, more than what England or Australia or India are doing.
 
Savage said:
Tbh I haven't seen any exciting young Indian player in last 2 seasons of IPL.
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There are many exciting young Indian players like Parthiv Shaw, Shubman Gill, IC Porel, KL Nagarkoti, Shivam Mavi etc. It is just that we are sticking with the senior players so these youngsters are not getting a chance.

The ICC's #2 and #3 ranked all-rounders can't get into the Test team, it is not easy for a youngster to break into a team. At least they make a good living playing in the IPL even if they can't break into the national team.
 
Napa said:
There are many exciting young Indian players like Parthiv Shaw, Shubman Gill, IC Porel, KL Nagarkoti, Shivam Mavi etc. It is just that we are sticking with the senior players so these youngsters are not getting a chance.

The ICC's #2 and #3 ranked all-rounders can't get into the Test team, it is not easy for a youngster to break into a team. At least they make a good living playing in the IPL even if they can't break into the national team.
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Hopefully they do well in IPL.I think this will be their first season in IPL.
 
Then how is India number 1 in ODI and no 3 in T20? Overall a better LOI side than Pak?

Dude India have a much better domestic structure than Pak.
 
Kohli said:
Already bowling better than the trundler factory of Sran, Undakat, Shankar, Siraj and Thakur.
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Its a shame that pacers who can bowl in excess of 140 are not given a chance while the likes of Unadkat, Siraj and Thakur are getting chances.

Anyway, after that Nidahas trophy, it must have been clear to the selectors that the likes of Unadkat, Thakur and Siraj are domestic level trundlers.

Lets see what Nagatkoti and Mavi can do in IPL.
 
troodon said:
Its a shame that pacers who can bowl in excess of 140 are not given a chance while the likes of Unadkat, Siraj and Thakur are getting chances.

Anyway, after that Nidahas trophy, it must have been clear to the selectors that the likes of Unadkat, Thakur and Siraj are domestic level trundlers.

Lets see what Nagatkoti and Mavi can do in IPL.
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But I don't see Nagarkoti and Mavi before WC.
 
AuxiliA said:
Washington Sundar, 18 years old, too was the MoS in his debut series.

But I guess, the Nidhas tri-series wasn't as prestigious compared to a 3 days tour of a jet-lagged West Indies C Team. :cobra
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None of your IPL products compare to Hasan Ali, Shadab Khan, Fakhar Zaman etc etc etc etc.
 
Where is that guy who scored 300 runs for India in a test against England on his debut? How come he was never given another go again? That is just unbelievable

Too early to draw any conclusions on the PSL. Indians play a vast majority of their cricket at home or in flat pitches, they have hardly played anything on the slow grinding wickets of the UAE in the last 10 years where their patience would really be tested.

Pakistani's on the other hand play a vast majority of their cricket at the UAE and then all of a sudden we have to go to Australia, England, NZ. The real test of whether the PSL is delivering or not will be determined by how well the Pakistani team does in Australia, England, NZ, South Africa.

Right now it is not even close. We were horrible on our overseas tours.
 
AuxiliA said:
Washington Sundar, 18 years old, too was the MoS in his debut series.

But I guess, the Nidhas tri-series wasn't as prestigious compared to a 3 days tour of a jet-lagged West Indies C Team. :cobra
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Haha they have short term memories i think they forgot about these names

Ravindra jadeja(a top ten ranked all rounder in all formats)and Ravi Ashwin(a top ten ranked all rounder in all formats), jasprit bumrah(no1 ranked odi player), hardik pandya( an upcoming allrounder),shikhar dhawan,yuzvendra chahal to name a few.
 
Rocket23 said:
Haha they have short term memories i think they forgot about these names

Ravindra jadeja(a top ten ranked all rounder in all formats)and Ravi Ashwin(a top ten ranked all rounder in all formats), jasprit bumrah(no1 ranked odi player), hardik pandya( an upcoming allrounder),shikhar dhawan,yuzvendra chahal to name a few.
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But but but they all flopped in CT final. Doesn't count
 
Some Pakistanis have high level of delusion. Shadab is a psl product but Kuldeep and chahal are not. They don't even understand anything how selection happens. If their selector are incompetent to select players from domestic then it is the fault of India or IPL that they are not choosing player from it. Krunal Pandya is better than every single PSL batsman last year but he is not yet selected because in India selectors choose from domestic performances.
 
rhony said:
But but but they all flopped in CT final. Doesn't count
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Hahaha. Ofcourse, just like how wasim and waqar didnt count because of their humiliations in world cup by tendulkar. Even they would put a match in world cup well above a champions trophy match.
 
Savak said:
Where is that guy who scored 300 runs for India in a test against England on his debut? How come he was never given another go again? That is just unbelievable

Too early to draw any conclusions on the PSL. Indians play a vast majority of their cricket at home or in flat pitches, they have hardly played anything on the slow grinding wickets of the UAE in the last 10 years where their patience would really be tested.

Pakistani's on the other hand play a vast majority of their cricket at the UAE and then all of a sudden we have to go to Australia, England, NZ. The real test of whether the PSL is delivering or not will be determined by how well the Pakistani team does in Australia, England, NZ, South Africa.

Right now it is not even close. We were horrible on our overseas tours.
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Sri Lankan wickets are more slow, low and stickier than UAE. Indians played there. Also, only you would say Indians play on flat wickets in tests. Most of the games produced results and they are typical turning wickets where your skills are tested. Smith played one of the ATG innings on one such wicket not too long ago.

Pakistan domestic cricket is not very transparent tbh. Based on the posters here, it's not high quality either with poor pitches. So naturally, the most visible tournament PSL seems to be the only choice for youngsters to gain attention. I can watch Indian domestic cricket on willow and there is a lot of importance given to domestics. Only good players from domestic cricket typically get picked in IPL. To get into India's LOI team, one needs to perform in domestic cricket and IPL. There is a reason why India is the top ranked team in tests and ODIs. Their ODI team competes in every condition. Their T20 team isn't bad either considering they beat saffers at home and recently won Nidahas with their A team.
 
rhony said:
Hassan Ali is the only one that can get into the Indian team in that list.
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that does n't matter how many of your team's players are gonna fit in any other team.. its just a matter of combination you are playing with.. big names does n't really matter but if you have a team with each player meriting his place and the role of them is defined in the side than that team surely becomes the team challenging to beat.. soutafrica is surely leaps and bounds ahead of pakistan in terms of the names of the players.. you just cant compare fakhar with AB lol.. but what happened to them in CT.. its just the matter of finding the right combination annd you are good to go..
 
MoJoJoJo said:
that does n't matter how many of your team's players are gonna fit in any other team.. its just a matter of combination you are playing with.. big names does n't really matter but if you have a team with each player meriting his place and the role of them is defined in the side than that team surely becomes the team challenging to beat.. soutafrica is surely leaps and bounds ahead of pakistan in terms of the names of the players.. you just cant compare fakhar with AB lol.. but what happened to them in CT.. its just the matter of finding the right combination annd you are good to go..
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Yes, CT was great but one can't keep going back to CT for every discussion. The same team scored 74 in an ODI within months and lost all 5 games. Yes, it's the combination that matters more then big names and this Indian team with this combination has won a lot of LOIs or competed at the highest level in the last few years. At this point, Indian team needs a solid no. 4 and a third Pacer. That's why I said only Hassan fits into this team.
 
good guy said:
did you not say that pak under 19 will wipe the floor out of ind under 19 in world cup
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Never said that... I did however say we will show you your place in the CT final which we ended up doing
 
rhony said:
Yes, CT was great but one can't keep going back to CT for every discussion. The same team scored 74 in an ODI within months and lost all 5 games. Yes, it's the combination that matters more then big names and this Indian team with this combination has won a lot of LOIs or competed at the highest level in the last few years. At this point, Indian team needs a solid no. 4 and a third Pacer. That's why I said only Hassan fits into this team.
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Last time India visited NZ they also lost 4-0 so please spare us the lecture.
 
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