UP madrassas told to cut Muslim holidays

[Varun]

LUCKNOW: After making it mandatory for madrassas in Uttar Pradesh to render the national anthem and videograph it on Independence Day, the Yogi government on Tuesday came up with an annual calendar that reduces discretionary holidays around Muslim festivals while making it compulsory for madrassas to remain closed on festivals of other faiths.

Clerics that TOI spoke to expressed unhappiness at the move. Hitherto, madrassas in UP were closed only during Muslim festivals with the exception of Holi and Ambedkar Jayanti. But the new calendar marks Mahavir Jayanti, Buddh Purnima, Raksha Bandhan, Mahanavmi, Diwali, Dussehra and Christmas as holidays.

While seven new holidays have been added, 10 discretionary holidays allowed to madrassas for festivals like Id-ul-Zuha and Muharram have been reduced to four days. Also, these cannot be taken as a cumulative, but one day at a time when clubbed with a festival. Registrar of the UP Madrassa Board Rahul Gupta, explaining the move, said, "The 10-day holiday used to be at madrassas' discretion, but now this is predetermined and distributed round the birthdays of great leaders. It's important for students to know who these people were."

"It has also been done to bring madrassas on a par with basic school education following the general rule of law," he added. A madrassa official TOI spoke to was unhappy with the proposal. Eijaz Ahmed, president, Islamic Madarsa Modernisation Teachers' Association, said, "Madrasas are religious institutions that do require different kinds of leave around a number of minority events for which the former discretionary leave was used. There is no problem in addition of holidays of other faiths, but it is totally wrong to cut down the ten discretionary special leaves."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-cut-muslim-holidays/articleshow/62344376.cms

Yogi Adityanath at it again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yogi Adityanath at it again.

At what? Madrasas will take govt funds byt not follow govt calendar?Why?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

At what? Madrasas will take govt funds byt not follow govt calendar?Why?

I imagine because the govt calendar is now being reinvented to reflect a more Hindutva slant as per holidays.

 

[Madplayer]

At what? Madrasas will take govt funds byt not follow govt calendar?Why?

Lets define the grounds of the argument here first.

1)Can the government do anything it wants if its providing the funds?

2)If the funds are stopped, does it mean the government can no longer interfere?

3) Are you fine with Government's directive that a religious school should celebrate less festivals of its own faith and more of the other faiths?

4) can the government change the calender at its whims?

 

[Pakpak]

I imagine because the govt calendar is now being reinvented to reflect a more Hindutva slant as per holidays.

Be quiet, why are you questioning shining India's secularism?

 

[Pakpak]

the Yogi government on Tuesday came up with an annual calendar that reduces discretionary holidays around Muslim festivals while making it compulsory for madrassas to remain closed on festivals of other faiths.

Secular India at it again!

 

[kaayal]

I thought Modi's vision was to see madrassa students holding the Quran in one hand and a computer in the other but this is ridiculous. If "Modernisation of madrassas" means forcing religious holidays on those that doesn't believe in it, then better to give back these funds back to govt. How are they disturbing you by working on holidays??

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Modi needs to reign Yogi in - this is just silly and unnecessary. Even Gujarat under Modi didn’t have these kind of rules.

If the students are Muslim and the teachers are Muslim then why should they be forced to close during Hindu and Christian holidays?

Each state funded school should be able to take X number of religious holidays a year with a maximum number of days set. Then the school should be able to choose their own holiday days as long as they don’t exceed the maximum number.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I imagine because the govt calendar is now being reinvented to reflect a more Hindutva slant as per holidays.

Actually not.Nowhere in India under no regime a govt calendar allowed 10days for id ul zuha or muharram.They are 1-2day vacation.Same with hindu festivals of holi Diwali etc.

If you read the OP you will know that Mahavir Jayanti Christmas Buddha Purnima are not hindu festivals.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets define the grounds of the argument here first.

1)Can the government do anything it wants if its providing the funds?

2)If the funds are stopped, does it mean the government can no longer interfere?

3) Are you fine with Government's directive that a religious school should celebrate less festivals of its own faith and more of the other faiths?

4) can the government change the calender at its whims?

1)If you are taking govt funds to run the school then follow govt calendar and rules.

2) My school was not funded by state govt and it didnot follow state govt calendar.Rather it followed the central govt calendar. My cousin went to a missionary run school and they followed their own calendar except the gazetted compulsory national holidays.

3)If as a religious school you want to take taxpayers money in a secular republic then you have to play by govt rules. This goes for every religion.

4)Look up the UP state calendar and the central calendar you will see that these holidays are holidays on both of these calendars for decades.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi needs to reign Yogi in - this is just silly and unnecessary. Even Gujarat under Modi didn’t have these kind of rules.

If the students are Muslim and the teachers are Muslim then why should they be forced to close during Hindu and Christian holidays?

Each state funded school should be able to take X number of religious holidays a year with a maximum number of days set. Then the school should be able to choose their own holiday days as long as they don’t exceed the maximum number.

Why are offices closed on Eid when 85% of India isnt muslim? Why have holiday on christmas when 98% of India isnt christian?

India is perhaps one of the few countries that allows holidays on important festivals of every major religion through govt notifications.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Actually not.Nowhere in India under no regime a govt calendar allowed 10days for id ul zuha or muharram.They are 1-2day vacation.Same with hindu festivals of holi Diwali etc.

If you read the OP you will know that Mahavir Jayanti Christmas Buddha Purnima are not hindu festivals.

But the other four are, and while they have been added, the Islamic holidays have been reduced. Not that I'm arguing it is wrong, but obviously the move towards making Muslims observe Hindutva calendarisation is going to cause resentment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But the other four are, and while they have been added, the Islamic holidays have been reduced. Not that I'm arguing it is wrong, but obviously the move towards making Muslims observe Hindutva calendarisation is going to cause resentment.

Out of 7 holidays, 4 are hindu 3 are non hindu, that by no stretch is hindutva calendarisation.

All these holidays are standard holidays that are observed in India by every regime since decades. The Madrasas who receive govt funding has just been brought on par with rest of the govt funded institution.

 

[PakLFC]

I see nothing wrong in that. Indian Muslim's love India

 

[kaayal]

Out of 7 holidays, 4 are hindu 3 are non hindu, that by no stretch is hindutva calendarisation.

All these holidays are standard holidays that are observed in India by every regime since decades. The Madrasas who receive govt funding has just been brought on par with rest of the govt funded institution.

Out of 19 000 madrassas in UP, only 1/3rd is govt funded. So what about the rest? Do they also have to close down on other religious festivals?

Most of these madrassas students will be from far way places and staying in hostels. Eid is be the only time/vacation that they get to spend in their home. I am all for introducing NCERT text books, science and maths in madrassas but this cutting down of eid holidays in madrassas is unnecessary and making it difficult to students and teachers. After all it's a religious school, not a govt office.

 

[cr7great]

good step by bjp

 

[Napa]

Yogi Adityanath at it again.

If I remember correctly, my non-Muslim school used to be closed for Eid. It is appropriate that Madrassas are also closed for non-Muslim holidays, say Christmas. The net impact would be the Madrassa students would feel more integrated with the rest of the country.

 

[kaayal]

If I remember correctly, my non-Muslim school used to be closed for Eid. It is appropriate that Madrassas are also closed for non-Muslim holidays, say Christmas. The net impact would be the Madrassa students would feel more integrated with the rest of the country.

Arrey bhai, non muslim schools which give formal education still have muslim students and teachers in it. That's why it will be closed for 1-2 days. But in a madrassa how many non muslims are there?

 

[Napa]

Arrey bhai, non muslim schools which give formal education still have muslim students and teachers in it. That's why it will be closed for 1-2 days. But in a madrassa how many non muslims are there?

All the more reasons for madrassas to also close for non-muslim holidays to reduce the sense of isolation from the rest of the country.

 

[CricketCartoons]

All the more reasons for madrassas to also close for non-muslim holidays to reduce the sense of isolation from the rest of the country.

Muslims are a separate nation, so they should not be forced to follow hindu holidays. Same should go for Hindus and they should not follow Christmas holidays etc.

 

[kaayal]

All the more reasons for madrassas to also close for non-muslim holidays to reduce the sense of isolation from the rest of the country.

They require formal education to live in this world and i appreciate govt's efforts for that but thrusting up these other religious holidays in a madrassa is beyond me. Giving them education itself is a method to take them out of isolation but why cutting down their eid holidays which is their only time they get to spend time with their loved ones.

 

[CricketCartoons]

They require formal education to live in this world and i appreciate govt's efforts for that but thrusting up these other religious holidays in a madrassa is beyond me. Giving them education itself is a method to take them out of isolation but why cutting down their eid holidays which is their only time they get to spend time with their loved ones.

Agreed. Why force them to celebrate or take a holiday on festivals from other religions. How are they going to spend time with their loved ones during durga pooja?

 

[kaayal]

You are in my ignore list CC. I should have done this much earlier.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Out of 19 000 madrassas in UP, only 1/3rd is govt funded. So what about the rest? Do they also have to close down on other religious festivals?

Most of these madrassas students will be from far way places and staying in hostels. Eid is be the only time/vacation that they get to spend in their home. I am all for introducing NCERT text books, science and maths in madrassas but this cutting down of eid holidays in madrassas is unnecessary and making it difficult to students and teachers. After all it's a religious school, not a govt office.

Why will non govt aided madrasas be affected?

Should a secular govt fund a religious school?

 

[cricketjoshila]

They require formal education to live in this world and i appreciate govt's efforts for that but thrusting up these other religious holidays in a madrassa is beyond me. Giving them education itself is a method to take them out of isolation but why cutting down their eid holidays which is their only time they get to spend time with their loved ones.

4 days for Eid is not enough?

Diwali isnt more than a 2 day holiday.We manage.


PS: 7th exam. Posting on PP. Are you fed up like me?

 

[big_gamer007]

Seems not that big of an issue.. I studied in a Christian school and we had all holidays Eid, Diwali, Holi, guru Purab, Christmas, Mahavir Jayanti etc etc.. In Delhi most of the school observe winter break where students have 10-15 days off during Christmas/new year.. Not sure if that still happens but in my time we had 15 odd days winter break which was more to do with the cold weather and new year...

I guess for these Madarassa students if they want 10-15 days off Eid and want to make up time during winter/other holidays then that is also fine.. Can be argued both ways tbh but I don’t see much of an issue if the government funded madarasaa are following government calendar, private funded madarassa can follow their own calendar..

 

[kaayal]

Why will non govt aided madrasas be affected?

Should a secular govt fund a religious school?

Nope, but this is part of minority welfare fund for imparting formal education to madrassa students. They are usually exclusively fed on religious texts. If this is not right, then they should abolish all such kind of funds.

Our madrassa routine was starts at 6 in the morning. Classes will be over by 8am and we go to our christian school which starts at 9am. There was no vacation during onam or christmas. We had holidays only during eid.

 

[kaayal]

4 days for Eid is not enough?

Diwali isnt more than a 2 day holiday.We manage.


PS: 7th exam. Posting on PP. Are you fed up like me?

There is no christmas or any other vacation for these guys/gals.

I am fed up. I don't think i will clear it as i want.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Out of 7 holidays, 4 are hindu 3 are non hindu, that by no stretch is hindutva calendarisation.

All these holidays are standard holidays that are observed in India by every regime since decades. The Madrasas who receive govt funding has just been brought on par with rest of the govt funded institution.

So for them, is the calendar going more in Hindutva direction than previously or less? I already said I don't disagree with it in principle, but obviously for a school built on religious format, it is going to cause resentment.

 

[Napa]

Muslims are a separate nation, so they should not be forced to follow hindu holidays. Same should go for Hindus and they should not follow Christmas holidays etc.

The idea of India accepted by the majority of Indians is that Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc. have come together to be one nation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The idea of India accepted by the majority of Indians is that Muslims, Hindus, Christians etc. have come together to be one nation.

He is a Bangladeshi. Let him be.

 

[PakLFC]

BJP will soon be stopping Namaz and Fasting as well the way it's going. Never mind, it must be the ISI behind that as well. Indian Muslim's love India and hate Pakistan

 

[Justcrazy]

Out of 19 000 madrassas in UP, only 1/3rd is govt funded. So what about the rest? Do they also have to close down on other religious festivals?

Most of these madrassas students will be from far way places and staying in hostels. Eid is be the only time/vacation that they get to spend in their home. I am all for introducing NCERT text books, science and maths in madrassas but this cutting down of eid holidays in madrassas is unnecessary and making it difficult to students and teachers. After all it's a religious school, not a govt office.

I am not at all surprised with what is happening. A very big war in India was prophecized , and Modi is the cause for that I think. Muslims will suffer a great deal , but Islam will win in the end. There is no power that can stop Islam.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I thought Modi's vision was to see madrassa students holding the Quran in one hand and a computer in the other but this is ridiculous. If "Modernisation of madrassas" means forcing religious holidays on those that doesn't believe in it, then better to give back these funds back to govt. How are they disturbing you by working on holidays??

Id love to see these Madrassas stop feeding off Govt funds and start being independent. Until then, they do what Govt ask them to do like it or not, got no options. Did you see anywhere Govt trying to impose restrictions on private schools? No, because they dont rely on govt funding.
First you want Govt free money and also not to follow their order. Then start generating own fund and govt wont interfere, and if they did then ill criticise Govt as well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So for them, is the calendar going more in Hindutva direction than previously or less? I already said I don't disagree with it in principle, but obviously for a school built on religious format, it is going to cause resentment.

The calendar is the standard calendar for every govt institution, the madrasas were not following it now they will. They can stop taking govt funds and follow their own calendar. If they are taking govt funds then they should follow the govt calendar. Tommorow another institution will say they want a separate calendar. There needs to be standardisation.

 

[kaayal]

I am not at all surprised with what is happening. A very big war in India was prophecized , and Modi is the cause for that I think. Muslims will suffer a great deal , but Islam will win in the end. There is no power that can stop Islam.

Nothing of that sort will happen. There are enough sane persons in both sides. India is for every Indians, not for any particular religion/caste.

 

[Varun]

I am not at all surprised with what is happening. A very big war in India was prophecized , and Modi is the cause for that I think. Muslims will suffer a great deal , but Islam will win in the end. There is no power that can stop Islam.

What else is prophecized, be it about India or otherwise? Do these prophecies always come true or have they slipped up every now and then? Are they solid prophecies where you can put an event or date, or vague like Nostadamus? If they're so set in stone, why don't many mention it?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Nothing of that sort will happen. There are enough sane persons in both sides. India is for every Indians, not for any particular religion/caste.

India is for Hindus. Other religions are also welcome as minority, but Hindus should have first access to the nation's resources, as this is the only country they have.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The calendar is the standard calendar for every govt institution, the madrasas were not following it now they will. They can stop taking govt funds and follow their own calendar. If they are taking govt funds then they should follow the govt calendar. Tommorow another institution will say they want a separate calendar. There needs to be standardisation.

Thank you, I already know the justification as I have mentioned twice now. I agree with it and wish India good fortune with their endeavours to bring their deviant Muslim population in line.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Thank you, I already know the justification as I have mentioned twice now. I agree with it and wish India good fortune with their endeavours to bring their deviant Muslim population in line.

Not deviant muslim population but deviant institution

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not deviant muslim population but deviant institution

The institutions weren't deviant as the change in Indian calendars has only just been introduced recently. If they continue to operate in the same way in disregard to the new rules, then they would be deviant. Your description of them as deviant when in fact they were operating within the agreed framework previously is unfair.

 

[dauntless]

My shining and digital India.My India is really shining, great to see.LOL at so called secular country. Great going Hindu terrorist yogi adityanath.

 

[the Great Khan]

Whats the big deal? At the end of the day Muslims in India need to toe the line or move along. If you want youre madrassa funded by the govt expect them to impose rules to fit things the way they would like. Indian Muslims just need to accept the reality of the situation they are in. I would negotiate and look to see if they could get reduced holidays in WInter while more in ramadhan Eid etc.

Hindu Raj main rehna hay tu arram say chup ho kay ro.

 

[kaayal]

Id love to see these Madrassas stop feeding off Govt funds and start being independent. Until then, they do what Govt ask them to do like it or not, got no options. Did you see anywhere Govt trying to impose restrictions on private schools? No, because they dont rely on govt funding.
First you want Govt free money and also not to follow their order. Then start generating own fund and govt wont interfere, and if they did then ill criticise Govt as well.

Madrassas didn't ask for govt funds, this mainstreaming of madrassa students has been on the agenda of previous state governments too for quite some time now. The muslim clerics have asked the government to provide better education and healthcare facilities for the rest of the community instead of these madrassas but they have some "keen interest on these madrassas" i guess.

 

[Justcrazy]

India is for Hindus. Other religions are also welcome as minority, but Hindus should have first access to the nation's resources, as this is the only country they have.

For that , they should change the constitution and declare India to be Hindu Rashtra . The laws should be according to Vedas and not secular legislative laws. I think if that is done , it will be better for India .

 

[Justcrazy]

Nothing of that sort will happen. There are enough sane persons in both sides. India is for every Indians, not for any particular religion/caste.

I am not saying it will happen tomorrow. This is the starting point.

 

[CricketCartoons]

For that , they should change the constitution and declare India to be Hindu Rashtra . The laws should be according to Vedas and not secular legislative laws. I think if that is done , it will be better for India .

Agreed. India has the worst constitution ever. Copied from other constitutions neglecting the identity and ethos of this great civilization. It will need a revolution to throw away the alien constitution, and revolution needs blood..but our blood has gone cold and we have gotten used to slavery.

 

[Justcrazy]

What else is prophecized, be it about India or otherwise? Do these prophecies always come true or have they slipped up every now and then? Are they solid prophecies where you can put an event or date, or vague like Nostadamus? If they're so set in stone, why don't many mention it?

If the hadeeth is authentic the prophecy will be true.

People do mention it and study them. The problem is when they mix it with weak or fabricated narrations. There are several hadeeth prophecies that became true .

I am sure [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION] will mention some here.

 

[Justcrazy]

Agreed. India has the worst constitution ever. Copied from other constitutions neglecting the identity and ethos of this great civilization. It will need a revolution to throw away the alien constitution, and revolution needs blood..but our blood has gone cold and we have gotten used to slavery.

MY comment was not sarcastic. Hindu Rashtra should not be controlled by political parties , rather by hindu laws. It will benefit people

 

[CricketCartoons]

MY comment was not sarcastic. Hindu Rashtra should not be controlled by political parties , rather by hindu laws. It will benefit people

JC bro..sorry if I came across as sarcastic. I have always pointed out that the problem with india is the rotten constitution and its justice system. i would challenge anyone who thinks otherwise for a debate.

 

[Justcrazy]

JC bro..sorry if I came across as sarcastic. I have always pointed out that the problem with india is the rotten constitution and its justice system. i would challenge anyone who thinks otherwise for a debate.

Its the biggest written constitution after all.

 

[JaDed]

Ironical, after selecting a Hindu priest as an elected leader what else was expected.

 

[JaDed]

Whats the big deal? At the end of the day Muslims in India need to toe the line or move along. If you want youre madrassa funded by the govt expect them to impose rules to fit things the way they would like. Indian Muslims just need to accept the reality of the situation they are in. I would negotiate and look to see if they could get reduced holidays in WInter while more in ramadhan Eid etc.

Hindu Raj main rehna hay tu arram say chup ho kay ro.

How does it work in England w.r.t Madrassas and the holidays?

 

[JaDed]

India will never be a Hindu Rashtra, Sankaracharya making laws,would be ridiculous..

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ironical, after selecting a Hindu priest as an elected leader what else was expected.

India going back to the golden days of its founding fathers. PANDIT jawaharlal, Mahatma ghandi, Maulana sayyid abul kalam.

 

[CricketCartoons]

India will never be a Hindu Rashtra, Sankaracharya making laws,would be ridiculous..

As opposed to the current lot of law makers? or a copied constitution which is the source of more confusion than clarity. a rotten constitution made by lawyers for lawyers, changed at the whims of the populist leaders like vp singh or egomaniacs like indira ghandi, where even the fundamental rights are not fundamental and have too many ifs and buts. This rotten garbage called the constitution should be used as toilet paper.

 

[JaDed]

India going back to the golden days of its founding fathers. PANDIT jawaharlal, Mahatma ghandi, Maulana sayyid abul kalam.

So we are going back to 1947?

 

[JaDed]

As opposed to the current lot of law makers? or a copied constitution which is the source of more confusion than clarity. a rotten constitution made by lawyers for lawyers, changed at the whims of the populist leaders like vp singh or egomaniacs like indira ghandi, where even the fundamental rights are not fundamental and have too many ifs and buts. This rotten garbage called the constitution should be used as toilet paper.

Change is the only constant, and constitution is still way better than the texts used by pandits,maulvis or bishops.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Change is the only constant, and constitution is still way better than the texts used by pandits,maulvis or bishops.

having faith in a changing constitution?

Watch india burn..the fire is only going to get bigger.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The institutions weren't deviant as the change in Indian calendars has only just been introduced recently. If they continue to operate in the same way in disregard to the new rules, then they would be deviant. Your description of them as deviant when in fact they were operating within the agreed framework previously is unfair.

The Calendar hasnot changed.The institution was not adhering to it. They have now being asked to adhere to it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

My shining and digital India.My India is really shining, great to see.LOL at so called secular country. Great going Hindu terrorist yogi adityanath.

Secular means every religious follower follows the same common civil and criminal law.

Hindu terrorist? So terrorism has religion?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How does it work in England w.r.t Madrassas and the holidays?

Typical brown noser mentality, always looking to the British as to how to implement law in India.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The Calendar hasnot changed.The institution was not adhering to it. They have now being asked to adhere to it.

You described the Islamic institutions as deviant. If the implementation of the calendar which "hasnot changed" was deviant, shouldn't the fault be laid at the deviant Indian courts rather than institutions which were running under accepted conditions?

 

[JaDed]

Typical brown noser mentality, always looking to the British as to how to implement law in India.

? Assumption much? Since a British poster was posting ,surely he think its green there so wanted to know how it works there?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Typical brown noser mentality, always looking to the British as to how to implement law in India.

Yet it is you who live in UK and follow their laws. So what are the laws regarding madrasa and holidays?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You described the Islamic institutions as deviant. If the implementation of the calendar which "hasnot changed" was deviant, shouldn't the fault be laid at the deviant Indian courts rather than institutions which were running under accepted conditions?

Courts do not look into implementation.Concerned department does and they must be taken to task as well for this deviant behaviour.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yet it is you who live in UK and follow their laws. So what are the laws regarding madrasa and holidays?

Not really sure, but as far as I know, any official schools have to follow the national curriculum, school holidays also fall in line with public holidays, and Islamic events are not considered public holidays. What you call madrassas are not officially sanctioned or funded so mostly they are run as private concerns.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not really sure, but as far as I know, any official schools have to follow the national curriculum, school holidays also fall in line with public holidays, and Islamic events are not considered public holidays. What you call madrassas are not officially sanctioned or funded so mostly they are run as private concerns.

There were plans to regulate the madrassas in UK. Did it happen finally?

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-34933970

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There were plans to regulate the madrassas in UK. Did it happen finally?

http://www.bbc.com/news/education-34933970

Never heard anything about it so I assume not. Madrassas are usually self-funded so that might be the issue when it comes to monitoring. Even reading that link you provided it seems quite fuzzy what is expected from regulation.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Never heard anything about it so I assume not. Madrassas are usually self-funded so that might be the issue when it comes to monitoring. Even reading that link you provided it seems quite fuzzy what is expected from regulation.

Does self funding act as a shield when it comes to national security in UK? Surprising if true. Maybe that is why UK has been relatively safe from extremism, as it doesn't meddle in the affairs of its communities and lets them practice multi culturalism any way they want.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Does self funding act as a shield when it comes to national security in UK? Surprising if true. Maybe that is why UK has been relatively safe from extremism, as it doesn't meddle in the affairs of its communities and lets them practice multi culturalism any way they want.

I don't know what is meant by madrassas in Asia, in the UK I think it's mostly just a place where parents send their young kids to go learn the Quran. Mostly by the time a child has reached puberty, they are done with it and just attend normal schools, so I don't think extremism has ever been an issue in these places.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I don't know what is meant by madrassas in Asia, in the UK I think it's mostly just a place where parents send their young kids to go learn the Quran. Mostly by the time a child has reached puberty, they are done with it and just attend normal schools, so I don't think extremism has ever been an issue in these places.

Your opinion is useful as it gives the non native side of opinions. While the chief inspector of Ofsted's opinion, which is opposite to yours, is very useful to see what official and natives think.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Your opinion is useful as it gives the non native side of opinions. While the chief inspector of Ofsted's opinion, which is opposite to yours, is very useful to see what official and natives think.

These concerns were raised over two years ago so it would seem that whatever Osted's opinion is, they haven't acted on it. The only news about schools since then has been the Trojan horse fuss about officially sanctioned Muslim schools in Birmingham, I think there is a thread about that which s28 bumps every few months.

In any case, I would suggest India should look to address it's own issues rather than trying to copy what is going on here. British life is not necessarily comparable with Indian, so solutions here aren't going to fix what's wrong there.

 

[CricketCartoons]

These concerns were raised over two years ago so it would seem that whatever Osted's opinion is, they haven't acted on it. The only news about schools since then has been the Trojan horse fuss about officially sanctioned Muslim schools in Birmingham, I think there is a thread about that which s28 bumps every few months.

In any case, I would suggest India should look to address it's own issues rather than trying to copy what is going on here. British life is not necessarily comparable with Indian, so solutions here aren't going to fix what's wrong there.

Of course India should look at its own issues, but I am not India ( in case your suggestion is directed towards me). I want to know how things are in UK which seems to be the most multicultural and tolerant nation on earth, and if that could be a lesson for us Indians.

I got your valuable opinion as to what a normal moderate non native thinks about the situation in UK. Forms a nice viewpoint to compare the actual native and official opinion, whether they act upon it or not. Perhaps the native officials non action upon their opinion is what is keeping UK peaceful, and it might be a template other nations can copy from.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Of course India should look at its own issues, but I am not India ( in case your suggestion is directed towards me). I want to know how things are in UK which seems to be the most multicultural and tolerant nation on earth, and if that could be a lesson for us Indians.

I got your valuable opinion as to what a normal moderate non native thinks about the situation in UK. Forms a nice viewpoint to compare the actual native and official opinion, whether they act upon it or not. Perhaps the native officials non action upon their opinion is what is keeping UK peaceful, and it might be a template other nations can copy from.

If there is a lesson, it would be stick to your own ideals and let the rest of the world take care of itself. If Britain is tolerant, it's because mostly it works, and different people can get along with their business without conflict. That said, the UK is still a prosperous country, if it was poor like a lot of the more troubled spots, then maybe the toleration levels would drop. I'm not sure how tolerant people would be without a welfare system and free healthcare.

 

[CricketCartoons]

If there is a lesson, it would be stick to your own ideals and let the rest of the world take care of itself. If Britain is tolerant, it's because mostly it works, and different people can get along with their business without conflict. That said, the UK is still a prosperous country, if it was poor like a lot of the more troubled spots, then maybe the toleration levels would drop. I'm not sure how tolerant people would be without a welfare system and free healthcare.

Care to explain how copying the successful methods of tolerant nations affects them taking care of themselves?

That is interesting thought from you, that it is prosperity which makes people tolerant, and not necessarily the vice versa. So it is not about culture or ideology, but how full the coffers are.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Care to explain how copying the successful methods of tolerant nations affects them taking care of themselves?

That is interesting thought from you, that it is prosperity which makes people tolerant, and not necessarily the vice versa. So it is not about culture or ideology, but how full the coffers are.

Let me rephrase it. By all means copy successful methods, but make sure you have the same problems in the first place. Britain's methods will be successful because they are designed for British problems. Tolerance is the best answer because it's the belief system which has been propagated for a long time. Once people stop having confidence in it, then you might get Trump type politicians getting elected and going a different way.

If India is a tolerant nation with tolerant subjects, then copying Britain's policy of tolerance would make sense. But I think there might be some differences. If you got an Australian sitting in a cafe with a tattoo of the Queen on his leg in Britain, I don't think anyone would notice. If the same Aussie is sitting in an Indian cafe with a tattoo of a Hindu goddess he might get surrounded by a mob waving knives and axes.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Let me rephrase it. By all means copy successful methods, but make sure you have the same problems in the first place. Britain's methods will be successful because they are designed for British problems. Tolerance is the best answer because it's the belief system which has been propagated for a long time. Once people stop having confidence in it, then you might get Trump type politicians getting elected and going a different way.

If India is a tolerant nation with tolerant subjects, then copying Britain's policy of tolerance would make sense. But I think there might be some differences. If you got an Australian sitting in a cafe with a tattoo of the Queen on his leg in Britain, I don't think anyone would notice. If the same Aussie is sitting in an Indian cafe with a tattoo of a Hindu goddess he might get surrounded by a mob waving knives and axes.

I think you are right. One must not jump to apply what has worked for others.

Tolerance is well and good, when it happens from all ends. If it is given from only one end, then it becomes appeasement. This policy of appeasement has led to Brexit and rise of UKIP. If only the non natives were grateful and tried to stand for British ideals instead of wanting to stick to their own ideals. So there is a warning for the lesser nations like ours, that following British policy of appeasement might not have the best outcome. Let us keep watching the appeasement experiment in UK laboratory and wait for the results. As the great Churchill said..that appeasement is like feeding a crocodile hoping it will eat you last. Lets see if the crocodile spares the UK, before trying to copy its policy.

 

[JaDed]

I think you are right. One must not jump to apply what has worked for others.

Tolerance is well and good, when it happens from all ends. If it is given from only one end, then it becomes appeasement. This policy of appeasement has led to Brexit and rise of UKIP. If only the non natives were grateful and tried to stand for British ideals instead of wanting to stick to their own ideals. So there is a warning for the lesser nations like ours, that following British policy of appeasement might not have the best outcome. Let us keep watching the appeasement experiment in UK laboratory and wait for the results. As the great Churchill said..that appeasement is like feeding a crocodile hoping it will eat you last. Lets see if the crocodile spares the UK, before trying to copy its policy.

What are the ends that your are talking about,in case of India hope your mean it's citizens.

 

[Sean143]

Extremism is India's biggest rival