US finds Pakistan useful only to clean up mess in Afghanistan: PM Imran Khan

[King_Kohli]

Reason for maltreatment to Pakistan is Americans now consider India as strategic partner, Imran tells foreign journos.

ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday accused the United States of seeing his country as useful only in the context of the "mess" it is leaving behind in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting.

Washington has been pressing Pakistan to use its influence over the Taliban to broker an elusive peace deal as negotiations between the insurgents and Afghan government have stalled, and violence in Afghanistan has escalated sharply.

"Pakistan is just considered only to be useful in the context of somehow settling this mess which has been left behind after 20 years of trying to find a military solution when there was not one," PM Imran told foreign journalists at his home in Islamabad.

The United States will pull out its military by Aug 31, 20 years after toppling the Taliban government in 2001. But, as the United States leaves, the Taliban today controls more territory than at any point since then.

Kabul and several Western governments allege Pakistan's support for the insurgent group allowed it to weather the war.

The charge of supporting the Taliban despite being a US ally has long been a sore point between Washington and Islamabad. Pakistan denies supporting the Taliban.

Imran Khan said Islamabad was not taking sides in Afghanistan.

"I think that the Americans have decided that India is their strategic partner now, and I think that's why there's a different way of treating Pakistan now," he said.

Pakistan and India are archrivals and share frosty ties and currently have minimal diplomatic relations.

A political settlement in Afghanistan was looking difficult under current conditions, PM Imran added.

He said he tried to persuade Taliban leaders when they were visiting Pakistan to reach a settlement.

"The condition is that as long as [President] Ashraf Ghani is there, we (Taliban) are not going to talk to the Afghan government," Khan said, quoting the Taliban leaders as telling him.

Peace talks between the Taliban, who view Ghani and his government as US puppets, and a team of Kabul-nominated Afghan negotiators started last September but have made no substantive progress.

Representatives of a number of countries, including the United States, are currently in the Qatari capital of Doha talking to both sides in a last-ditch push for a ceasefire.

US forces have continued to use air strikes to support Afghan forces against Taliban advances, but it remains unclear if such support will continue after Aug 31.

Premier Imran said Pakistan had "made it very clear" that it does not want any American military bases inside the country after US forces exit Afghanistan.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2315136/us-finds-pakistan-useful-only-to-clean-up-mess-in-afghanistan-pm

 

[PakLFC]

That is coz we get involved in their mess. When you keep asking for money like previous governments then the Americans will want something in return. IK is the first Pak PM to ever have spoken about self respect and dignity.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Reason for maltreatment to Pakistan is Americans now consider India as strategic partner, Imran tells foreign journos.

ISLAMABAD:
Prime Minister Imran Khan on Wednesday accused the United States of seeing his country as useful only in the context of the "mess" it is leaving behind in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting.

Washington has been pressing Pakistan to use its influence over the Taliban to broker an elusive peace deal as negotiations between the insurgents and Afghan government have stalled, and violence in Afghanistan has escalated sharply.

"Pakistan is just considered only to be useful in the context of somehow settling this mess which has been left behind after 20 years of trying to find a military solution when there was not one," PM Imran told foreign journalists at his home in Islamabad.

The United States will pull out its military by Aug 31, 20 years after toppling the Taliban government in 2001. But, as the United States leaves, the Taliban today controls more territory than at any point since then.

Kabul and several Western governments allege Pakistan's support for the insurgent group allowed it to weather the war.

The charge of supporting the Taliban despite being a US ally has long been a sore point between Washington and Islamabad. Pakistan denies supporting the Taliban.

Imran Khan said Islamabad was not taking sides in Afghanistan.

"I think that the Americans have decided that India is their strategic partner now, and I think that's why there's a different way of treating Pakistan now," he said.

Pakistan and India are archrivals and share frosty ties and currently have minimal diplomatic relations.

A political settlement in Afghanistan was looking difficult under current conditions, PM Imran added.

He said he tried to persuade Taliban leaders when they were visiting Pakistan to reach a settlement.

"The condition is that as long as [President] Ashraf Ghani is there, we (Taliban) are not going to talk to the Afghan government," Khan said, quoting the Taliban leaders as telling him.

Peace talks between the Taliban, who view Ghani and his government as US puppets, and a team of Kabul-nominated Afghan negotiators started last September but have made no substantive progress.

Representatives of a number of countries, including the United States, are currently in the Qatari capital of Doha talking to both sides in a last-ditch push for a ceasefire.

US forces have continued to use air strikes to support Afghan forces against Taliban advances, but it remains unclear if such support will continue after Aug 31.

Premier Imran said Pakistan had "made it very clear" that it does not want any American military bases inside the country after US forces exit Afghanistan.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2315136/us-finds-pakistan-useful-only-to-clean-up-mess-in-afghanistan-pm

If Americans are really allying with India and wanting Pakistan to broker the peace deal with Talibans then IK can simply put an easy deal on the table.

Liberate Kashmir from India and make it an independent sovereign state, and we may try to broker the peace deal for you in Afghanistan with the condition that all Afghan refugees will be moved to India.

 

[Napa]

If Americans are really allying with India and wanting Pakistan to broker the peace deal with Talibans then IK can simply put an easy deal on the table.

Liberate Kashmir from India and make it an independent sovereign state, and we may try to broker the peace deal for you in Afghanistan with the condition that all Afghan refugees will be moved to India.

The US will “liberate” Kashmir from India?

How? Economic sanctions? Military attack? A combination?

Forgot the above, Pakistan can’t even get the US to make a statement saying India should honor UNSC resolutions.

This is beyond delusional.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

The US will “liberate” Kashmir from India?

How? Economic sanctions? Military attack? A combination?

Forgot the above, Pakistan can’t even get the US to make a statement saying India should honor UNSC resolutions.

This is beyond delusional.

well,,, let the Afghans decide for themselves then, unless of course if India (an ally of the US) wants to send it's peace keeping soldiers to Afghanistan? And if no, then don't complain if Talibans' next stop is Indian occupied Kashmir.
They are already all vary of India for supporting the puppet Ghani.

Glad that Pak's got nothing to do with it at this point.

 

[Lego20]

What does Pakistan want from USA? I thought they have China in one pocket and Russia in the other with Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Malaysia in their back pockets, no?

On a serious note what a stupid comment. You go and sit in Chinese camp and expect US to continue fostering you just for cleaning up the mess created by Pakistan themselves?

 

[Bewal Express]

The Americans should use their new found ally in Ind to fight the Taliban.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What does Pakistan want from USA? I thought they have China in one pocket and Russia in the other with Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Malaysia in their back pockets, no?

Looks like a serious case of lacking the basic reading comprehension skills.

Try to read again, slowly this time,

Washington has been pressing Pakistan to use its influence over the Taliban to broker an elusive peace deal as negotiations between the insurgents and Afghan government have stalled, and violence in Afghanistan has escalated sharply.

It's the USA (who is the Indian ally) that wants Pakistan to do things for them.

IMO, Pakistan is happy being an ally with China.

India is directly involved in Afghanistan by sending weapons to one party, so they should help their ally.

 

[Local.Dada]

The Americans should use their new found ally in Ind to fight the Taliban.

For India or Us to get through to the Taliban, Pakistan is the buffer. In fact the only thing that is not a concern about the Taliban is the fact that there is Pakistan in between as a shock absorber. If I were a pakistani I would be more concerned about the influence Taliban would have on Pakistan than the other way around.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The fact that pakistanis keep talking about how US isnt giving them the same importance as India, tells you how desperate they are for it.

Pakistan has only one leverage and that's their control over taliban.

But US will not jeopardize its trade and strategic relationship with India just to have a line with taliban.

Pakistan is a Chinese ally and US knows that, so there cant be any long term US-Pak alliance isnt sustainable. So just for the short term taliban influence, breaking alliance with India is something that US doesn't want to do.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looks like a serious case of lacking the basic reading comprehension skills.

Try to read again, slowly this time,



It's the USA (who is the Indian ally) that wants Pakistan to do things for them.

IMO, Pakistan is happy being an ally with China.

India is directly involved in Afghanistan by sending weapons to one party, so they should help their ally.

If pakistan is happy why the regular whining about US not giving pakistan importance.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

For India or Us to get through to the Taliban, Pakistan is the buffer. In fact the only thing that is not a concern about the Taliban is the fact that there is Pakistan in between as a shock absorber. If I were a pakistani I would be more concerned about the influence Taliban would have on Pakistan than the other way around.

Great.
You guys opened several consulates in Afghanistan, had military presence and $3 Billion worth of investment, but you didn't need to go through the "buffer" of Pakistan to reach Afghanistan, then?

But anyway, yeah that's a possibility
You can send your Indian troops through Pakistan. We will happily let them enter into Afghanistan through safe passage (which will come with a cost), and we will slam door behind them so that it hits their rear ends when they enter into Afghanistan,

 

[Local.Dada]

Pakistan has only one leverage and that's their control over taliban.

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That’s also a myth. No one can control Taliban. It’s a radical outfit and they don’t play by the same rules most countries including Pakistan have to for trade, diplomacy etc.

If they had some much leverage over Taliban then Biden would have made that elusive phone call to Imran Khan by now to diffuse the situation.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

If pakistan is happy why the regular whining about US not giving pakistan importance.

OK, it's your turn now.
You guys take all the importance from US and help US restore peace in Afghanistan. We have no issue with it. It's all yours. Don't worry about Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

Great.
You guys opened several consulates in Afghanistan, had military presence and $3 Billion worth of investment, but you didn't need to go through the "buffer" of Pakistan to reach Afghanistan, then?

But anyway, yeah that's a possibility
You can send your Indian troops through Pakistan. We will happily let them enter into Afghanistan through safe passage (which will come with a cost), and we will slam door behind them so that it hits their rear ends when they enter into Afghanistan,

$3b from a Pakistani context sounds like a lot of money but if India can afford to cut their losses they can and will.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That’s also a myth. No one can control Taliban. It’s a radical outfit and they don’t play by the same rules most countries including Pakistan have to for trade, diplomacy etc.

If they had some much leverage over Taliban then Biden would have made that elusive phone call to Imran Khan by now to diffuse the situation.

Pakistan wants taliban in power in afghanistan. Thats why the conflict. And that's Pakistan wants this conflict.

 

[cricketjoshila]

OK, it's your turn now.
You guys take all the importance from US and help US restore peace in Afghanistan. We have no issue with it. It's all yours. Don't worry about Pakistan.

What US and India give and take isnt open for pakistanis to influence.

 

[Napa]

well,,, let the Afghans decide for themselves then, unless of course if India (an ally of the US) wants to send it's peace keeping soldiers to Afghanistan? And if no, then don't complain if Talibans' next stop is Indian occupied Kashmir.
They are already all vary of India for supporting the puppet Ghani.

Glad that Pak's got nothing to do with it at this point.

You have know clue about how modern wars are fought.

"And if no, then don't complain if Talibans' next stop is Indian occupied Kashmir."

If the Taliban attacks India, they will fare even worse the Pak Army did 1965, 1971 and 1998 with zero territorial gains and half the country gone in 1971.

Beyond delusional!

 

[KingKhanWC]

IK is just rubbing it in.

Pakistan was crucial to helping the Afghan resistance defeat over 40+ nations + Indians efforts to use their soil for terrorist attacks.

Yanks back to Kansas and Indians are getting back to Bollywood after spending $3billion.

 

[PetroDollars]

IK is basically just begging the US for a better deal and more money.
everyone knows what pakistan is doing in Afgan now is on US directives, unfortunately IK is a poor negotiator and a terrible diplomat and like always this will backfire on him.

 

[MenInG]

Additional US troops are being sent to Afghanistan to help remove personnel from the US Embassy in Kabul.

Former US National Security Adviser John Bolton tells Sky News that "we're not there to build their nation, we're there to protect our nation."

 

[cricketjoshila]

IK is just rubbing it in.

Pakistan was crucial to helping the Afghan resistance defeat over 40+ nations + Indians efforts to use their soil for terrorist attacks.

Yanks back to Kansas and Indians are getting back to Bollywood after spending $3billion.

Imran is just begging for US attention. With US leaving Afghanistan, they have no use of Pakistan any more.

 

[Bewal Express]

For India or Us to get through to the Taliban, Pakistan is the buffer. In fact the only thing that is not a concern about the Taliban is the fact that there is Pakistan in between as a shock absorber. If I were a pakistani I would be more concerned about the influence Taliban would have on Pakistan than the other way around.

I am no supporter of Taliban but if they kick out your proxies then they are good with me. The fact that its given the Hindutuva palpitations, makes it all the sweeter. The other thing is that if the Taliban want to attack you in Kashmir than we should give them a corridor to get to Kashmir. Its not our business to stop them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran is just begging for US attention. With US leaving Afghanistan, they have no use of Pakistan any more.

Just hope you are right.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Imran is just begging for US attention. With US leaving Afghanistan, they have no use of Pakistan any more.

lol. It was IK's idea and plans which sent them packing. He is only showing his people and any in the world, these people cannot be trusted. Pak has no use for Yanks either, they need to stay out of the region.

Taliban are still waiting for the RSS commandos to invade, they are trembling in their boots.

 

[Napa]

if the Taliban want to attack you in Kashmir than we should give them a corridor to get to Kashmir. Its not our business to stop them.

You have a funny idea about the responsibilities of nations with respect to their international borders.

 

[Bewal Express]

You have a funny idea about the responsibilities of nations with respect to their international borders.

Why? If the fight is between you and the Taliban, why is any of PKs concern. Our job is to make sure we dont get in the way.

 

[IAJ]

«America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests» -Henry Kissinger-

 

[Mamoon]

A well-deserved reality check for Imran.

Back in July 2019, when he visited the White House, he thought he had won the World Cup when Trump promised him that would talk to India about Kashmir.

A month later, India revoked Kashmir’s special status and Trump did not utter a word much to Imran’s surprise and disappointment.

He got played by Trump and he is getting the same treatment from his successor.

The U.S. does not give any importance to Imran. All the important talks and deals are done with the COAS - the U.S., more than any country, is fully aware of where the real power lies in Pakistan.

As far as Pakistan itself is concerned, the U.S. has never viewed Pakistan more than a mercenary, a hired goon. Throughout the course of our history, we have sold our souls for USAID and military funding.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Why not counter the argument instead of name calling? List what Pakistan can offer to USA apart from double handed insurance against nuisance.

Nothing and they don't need to. All USA has done is put Pakistan in more debt.

 

[cric_man]

Imran is just begging for US attention. With US leaving Afghanistan, they have no use of Pakistan any more.

That will be the best thing for Pakistan!

 

[Bewal Express]

PK needs to have a good relationship with America, like it has to with other countries. What we can't be is a hired gun to help them with their strategic aim of stopping China. If the Kashmir issue is solved I would also like good relations with Ind but that as we know, that is never going to happen with the Hindutuva drunk on power.

 

[Bewal Express]

Nothing and they don't need to. All USA has done is put Pakistan in more debt.

Our elite have gained billions but PK has gained nothing from our relationship with America.

 

[Napa]

Why? If the fight is between you and the Taliban, why is any of PKs concern. Our job is to make sure we dont get in the way.

Your inability to make two consistent posts consecutively is alarming.

In an earlier post you wrote "if the Taliban want to attack you in Kashmir than [sic] we should give them a corridor to get to Kashmir."

Now you write "why is any of PKs concern".

If a country gives passage to a belligerent to attack a neighboring country, then it is certainly involving itself in the fight.

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[OneManShow]

And that is the reason the US are begging to establish bases from which its drones can operate? As IK has said - the money we received from the US is minute in comparison to the losses we suffered as a result of our participation in this pointless conflict . It's best we are not involved going forward.

 

[Lego20]

the money we received from the US is minute in comparison to the losses we suffered as a result of our participation in this pointless conflict . It's best we are not involved going forward.

Whats a good price for participation? Do you think previous Pakistan govts undersold the value?

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

What does Pakistan want from USA? I thought they have China in one pocket and Russia in the other with Turkey, Saudi, UAE, Malaysia in their back pockets, no?

On a serious note what a stupid comment. You go and sit in Chinese camp and expect US to continue fostering you just for cleaning up the mess created by Pakistan themselves?

Pakistan wants nothing from IS.

US is chasing and wanting something from Pakistan

 

[Lego20]

Pakistan wants nothing from IS.

US is chasing and wanting something from Pakistan

So what is Imran Khan asking for from USA (in OP)?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Modi was friends with Trump after all.

well, here you go.
India's investment gone down the drain in Afghanistan. Modi and Ajit Doval didn't realize it when it all started.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That will be the best thing for Pakistan!

Then why is Imran crying for US attention?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am no supporter of Taliban but if they kick out your proxies then they are good with me. The fact that its given the Hindutuva palpitations, makes it all the sweeter. The other thing is that if the Taliban want to attack you in Kashmir than we should give them a corridor to get to Kashmir. Its not our business to stop them.

Pakistan army got a hiding trying to get Kashmir, and Taliban will do what exactly?

Its one thing to fight a foreign army in a war infested, warlord ruled, Afghanistan. Its another to attack the territory of a nuclear armed state.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why? If the fight is between you and the Taliban, why is any of PKs concern. Our job is to make sure we dont get in the way.

Anything coming into India from pakistan territory is pakistan's problem. It makes pakistani territory and pakistan the initiator of the war.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan wants nothing from IS.

US is chasing and wanting something from Pakistan

Its pakistani PM who is whining that India is strategic partner of US, and pakistan is being ignored.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing and they don't need to. All USA has done is put Pakistan in more debt.

Which country hasn't put pakistan in debt? If all that pakistan wants is money to offer services in afghanistan, then it will put them in debt.

Pakistan was once the darling economy of south asia. Then it decided to sell itself as a mercenary for influence in afghanistan to get quick bucks and weapons. Results haven't been too good.

 

[cric_man]

Then why is Imran crying for US attention?

He is not. He was posed a question by a journalist and he provided a blunt answer. The article is written with just his reply, and no context of what was asked by the journalist.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Can anyone please explain to me why Afghanistan is so important for US? Really, what is in there? US is not a country which ventures without any interest. Is it the natural resources? What could be the reason?

 

[gazza619]

The fact that pakistanis keep talking about how US isnt giving them the same importance as India, tells you how desperate they are for it.

Pakistan has only one leverage and that's their control over taliban.

But US will not jeopardize its trade and strategic relationship with India just to have a line with taliban.

Pakistan is a Chinese ally and US knows that, so there cant be any long term US-Pak alliance isnt sustainable. So just for the short term taliban influence, breaking alliance with India is something that US doesn't want to do.

I dont think we keep talking about the US. Imran Khan was responding to a live Q&A with the media, and it was the media who was interested.

Perhaps Imran Khan should stop taking on media live or should only have a prescripted Q&A like Modi does.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont think we keep talking about the US. Imran Khan was responding to a live Q&A with the media, and it was the media who was interested.

Perhaps Imran Khan should stop taking on media live or should only have a prescripted Q&A like Modi does.

Perhaps Imran should concentrate on Pakistan and not bring India most of the time?

Modi does what the country needs. 500mn plus vaccine doses given. Economy to grow at nearly 10 percent. Forex reserves at 600bn plus. Interest rates falling. This is more important to India thannany Qand A.

 

[Bewal Express]

Pakistan army got a hiding trying to get Kashmir, and Taliban will do what exactly?

Its one thing to fight a foreign army in a war infested, warlord ruled, Afghanistan. Its another to attack the territory of a nuclear armed state.

Really? We took a 1/3 rd

 

[Bewal Express]

Perhaps Imran should concentrate on Pakistan and not bring India most of the time?

Modi does what the country needs. 500mn plus vaccine doses given. Economy to grow at nearly 10 percent. Forex reserves at 600bn plus. Interest rates falling. This is more important to India thannany Qand A.

Then stop using proxies to attack us.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Really? We took a 1/3 rd

What 1/3rd? Atleast go and read history. Pakistan army occupied the area when Maharaj Hari Singh's army was defending. PA reached outskirts of Srinagar.

It was then that Hari Singh signed the treaty of accession with India. India Army was airlifted to Srinagar and PA was pushed to the northern one third it occupies.

Then Nehru thought he should be a statesman and gandhian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then stop using proxies to attack us.

Prove it to the world. UNSC, FATF.

Statements by pakistan dont hold much water in the world. Thats why hardly anyone cares to respond to your allegations.

 

[Bewal Express]

Prove it to the world. UNSC, FATF.

Statements by pakistan dont hold much water in the world. Thats why hardly anyone cares to respond to your allegations.

We have Yadav is in our prison begging for mercy. Was he on holiday

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan clarified Friday that it considers the US a friend and "wants broad-based relations to achieve our shared objective of peace and prosperity in the region and beyond".

This was said by the Foreign Office Spokesperson Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri during his weekly press briefing. He answered questions on Pakistan's response to the escalating situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan's relations with the US.

"Pakistan and the United States have a history of close cooperative relations. This cooperative relationship has served the interests of both the countries," he said.

In the context of the ongoing Afghan Peace Process, Pakistan and the US have similar views and interests on several key issues, added the spokesperson.

"We both believe that there’s no military solution to the conflict in Afghanistan and we both want to see peace in Afghanistan," he noted.

Chaudhri said Pakistan played an instrumental role in bringing about the peace agreement between the Taliban and the US in Doha last year.

He continued that Pakistan and the United States support an inclusive, broad-based and comprehensive political settlement in Afghanistan through a process that is owned and led by the Afghans themselves.

Chaudhri said neither should Pakistan "be looked at through the prism of another country nor should our relations be viewed narrowly".

Pakistan will take all such decisions and pursue policies that are in our national interest and contribute to peace and prosperity in the region and beyond, said the FO spokesman.

Troika Plus meeting discusses expediting intra-Afghan dialogue
A meeting of the Extended Troika including special envoys from Pakistan, the US, China and Russia was held in Doha yesterday (August 11).

The members of the Extended Troika discussed the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan and explored ways of expediting the intra-Afghan peace talks for achieving an inclusive political settlement and bringing an end to the four decades-long conflicts in Afghanistan, he said.

Delegations of the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan led by Dr Abdullah Abdullah and the Taliban, led by Mullah Bradar, also interacted with the Extended Troika. The Extended Troika countries discussed the following main points:

• There was a need for urgent measures to reduce violence leading to a ceasefire.

• There was no military solution to the Afghan conflict.

• The Afghan sides should put forward their peace plans on a priority basis so that progress is made towards a political roadmap.

• There is a need for all sides to respect human rights and not indulge in human rights violations.

Pakistan attaches importance to the role of the Extended Troika for bringing lasting peace and stability to Afghanistan and will continue to engage in this platform to undertake collective efforts to expedite the peace process.

Pakistan only seen as useful by US to clean up 'mess' in Afghanistan: PM Imran Khan
The statement by the Foreign Office comes a day after the prime minister issued a hard-hitting statement, saying that Washington sees Pakistan only useful in cleaning up the "mess" in Afghanistan.

Washington has been pressing Pakistan to use what they believe is Islamabad's influence over the Taliban to broker an elusive peace deal as negotiations between the group and the Afghan government have yet to see any fruitful gains, and violence in Afghanistan has escalated sharply.

"Pakistan is considered only to be useful in the context of somehow settling this mess which has been left behind after 20 years of trying to find a military solution when there was not one," he said Thursday.

The prime minister had also turned down speculation of him waiting for US President Joe Biden's phone call — who has not had any contact with the premier since he took charge in January this year.

"I keep hearing that President Biden hasn't called me. It's his business. It's not like I am waiting for any phone call," he had said while responding to a question during a session with foreign journalists in Islamabad.

The premier's remarks follow National Security Adviser (NSA) Moeed Yusuf saying that Washington's lack of initiative to interact with Islamabad was beyond his understanding.

“The president of the United States hasn’t spoken to the prime minister of such an important country who the US itself says is make-or-break in some cases, in some ways, in Afghanistan — we struggle to understand the signal, right?” Yusuf had told the Financial Times in an interview.

 

[IMMY69]

What 1/3rd? Atleast go and read history. Pakistan army occupied the area when Maharaj Hari Singh's army was defending. PA reached outskirts of Srinagar.

It was then that Hari Singh signed the treaty of accession with India. India Army was airlifted to Srinagar and PA was pushed to the northern one third it occupies.

Then Nehru thought he should be a statesman and gandhian.

I thought there was no real Pakistani Army to speak off and the invasion was from the surrounding table war lords?

Is my understanding wrong?

 

[MenInG]

Thread title is not related to Kashmir.

 

[IMMY69]

Thread title is not related to Kashmir.

No but it seems its open for various people to beat their chest as if they're going to be on the front line.

 

[Bewal Express]

Anything coming into India from pakistan territory is pakistan's problem. It makes pakistani territory and pakistan the initiator of the war.

So if that is true then all attacks on PK by your proxies should be held to the standard.

 

[Bewal Express]

Your inability to make two consistent posts consecutively is alarming.

In an earlier post you wrote "if the Taliban want to attack you in Kashmir than [sic] we should give them a corridor to get to Kashmir."

Now you write "why is any of PKs concern".

If a country gives passage to a belligerent to attack a neighboring country, then it is certainly involving itself in the fight.

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Is it any of our business if they want to attack you. Our job is not to get in the way. Afterall, you had no business in Afghanistan but you used it as a base to attack us. If its OK for you to be in Afghanistan than its OK for the Taliban to attack you

 

[guna]

IK is just rubbing it in.

Pakistan was crucial to helping the Afghan resistance defeat over 40+ nations + Indians efforts to use their soil for terrorist attacks.

Yanks back to Kansas and Indians are getting back to Bollywood after spending $3billion.

Afghan resistance? Its more like Pakistan supporting radical mullahs without thinking for the future of Afghan citizens.

No army of terrorists can take over a country and fight a properly trained Afghan Army without the support of external forces. Cough**Pakistan/ISI**.

Would you be willing to live under Taliban rule?

 

[silentkiller187]

what even is taliban, they dont exist in the respect that the media is talking about them, similar to al qaeda before them. Afghanistan is being over run by different gangs all falling under the umbrella of the "taliban".

Its the same old story playing over again and again, and i can pretty much guarantee this was part of the USA masterplan. Cause instability in the region, set afghanistan back 30-40 years and let the remaining countries quarrel over whatever is left, just like they did in Iraq and Libya. USA even now have made an offer to any prospective government looking to take power in afghanistan, leave our embassies alone and we will provide you aid and weapons, if USA really supported the afghanistan government as is would they be making such offers.

 

[MenInG]

Afghan resistance? Its more like Pakistan supporting radical mullahs without thinking for the future of Afghan citizens.

No army of terrorists can take over a country and fight a properly trained Afghan Army without the support of external forces. Cough**Pakistan/ISI**.

Would you be willing to live under Taliban rule?

Sorry but Afghan citizens in rural areas are supporting Taliban - you can drop this India BJP inspired thought process for now and look around.

You know why?

Because the so called secular pleasing Afghan Govt did nothing with the aid given to them for the ordinary folks. The so called Afghan army was never given enough training because the funds never got to them.

If anything, countries like India should be asking the same of their friends in Kabul.

 

[Bewal Express]

Sorry but Afghan citizens in rural areas are supporting Taliban - you can drop this India BJP inspired thought process for now and look around.

You know why?

Because the so called secular pleasing Afghan Govt did nothing with the aid given to them for the ordinary folks. The so called Afghan army was never given enough training because the funds never got to them.

If anything, countries like India should be asking the same of their friends in Kabul.

Soon the Afg elite will be in Dubai etc living in luxury with the billions they stole.

 

[ahsan17]

Afghan resistance? Its more like Pakistan supporting radical mullahs without thinking for the future of Afghan citizens.

No army of terrorists can take over a country and fight a properly trained Afghan Army without the support of external forces. Cough**Pakistan/ISI**.

Would you be willing to live under Taliban rule?

At this point, you might as well dig a hole and bury your head into it. Even western media is nowhere near as obsessed with Pakistan in the context of Afghanistan anymore as Indians continue to be. Everyone is seeing 300k+ ANA surrender to 75k Taliban. No one thinks something like this can happen without significant local support. No one thinks Pakistan can pull this off entirely on its own - defeating a superpower and 2 trillion in spending. Indians will continue to be obsessed with Pakistan while everyone else has moved on.

 

[ahsan17]

Anything coming into India from pakistan territory is pakistan's problem. It makes pakistani territory and pakistan the initiator of the war.

Nope, by your own logic, what will India do about it. By your own logic, Pakistan can do what it wants.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have Yadav is in our prison begging for mercy. Was he on holiday

Who knows where you got him from? Iran? Afghanistan? Where?

Showing one retired Indian navy guy doesn't prove anything.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nope, by your own logic, what will India do about it. By your own logic, Pakistan can do what it wants.

It can do what it wants inside its territory. It cannot violate the borders. Anything coming into India from Pakistan is pakistan's problem.

 

[Lego20]

Sorry but Afghan citizens in rural areas are supporting Taliban - you can drop this India BJP inspired thought process for now and look around.

You know why?

Because the so called secular pleasing Afghan Govt did nothing with the aid given to them for the ordinary folks. The so called Afghan army was never given enough training because the funds never got to them.

If anything, countries like India should be asking the same of their friends in Kabul.

If this is provably wrong, will you change your opinion. Even better, condemn the Pakistan establishment's support and nurturing of Taliban?

"The proportion of respondents who have a lot or a little sympathy for the Taliban is 13.4%" (page 19)
https://asiafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/2019_Afghan_Survey_Full-Report.pdf

 

[cricketjoshila]

I thought there was no real Pakistani Army to speak off and the invasion was from the surrounding table war lords?

Is my understanding wrong?

Yes. Read up.

 

[Bewal Express]

Who knows where you got him from? Iran? Afghanistan? Where?

Showing one retired Indian navy guy doesn't prove anything.

Well ask your agencies. They will tell you and he can repent at leisure.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is it any of our business if they want to attack you. Our job is not to get in the way. Afterall, you had no business in Afghanistan but you used it as a base to attack us. If its OK for you to be in Afghanistan than its OK for the Taliban to attack you

If they cross into India from Pakistan, which country is violating the border? Pakistan.

Because they are coming from Pakistan. It will be a declaration of war by Pakistan against India.


Who is pakistan to decide what business and who should have business in afghanistan? Is afghanistan a Pakistani province? The recognised government of Afghanistan has no issues to the Indian presence.

You could raise objections if Indian Army or Airforce was coming into pakistan from Afghanistan. That would be declaration of war against pakistan by afghanistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Well ask your agencies. They will tell you and he can repent at leisure.

Ask your agencies where is colonel mohammad habib.

 

[Bewal Express]

If they cross into India from Pakistan, which country is violating the border? Pakistan.

Because they are coming from Pakistan. It will be a declaration of war by Pakistan against India.


Who is pakistan to decide what business and who should have business in afghanistan? Is afghanistan a Pakistani province? The recognised government of Afghanistan has no issues to the Indian presence.

You could raise objections if Indian Army or Airforce was coming into pakistan from Afghanistan. That would be declaration of war against pakistan by afghanistan.

No, they aren't getting in the way of a fight between 2 countries. If the Taliban want to fight you because you backed their opponents then it's between you and them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ask your agencies where is colonel mohammad habib.

Yes he was kidnapped in Kathmandu to get some sort of swap. But Yadav is never coming out and you notice the information he has provided has prevented 1000s of deaths. Yadav will sit in his cell asking why he was sacrificed.

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2315409/umar-warns-against-scapegoating-pakistan-for-afghan-failure

Federal Minister Asad Umar on Friday warned that another mistake will be made if Pakistan is blamed for the 'strategic blunders' in Afghanistan by 'those in the US' pushing for a change in policy stance.

The Taliban claimed to have captured two of Afghanistan's biggest cities in an advance that has raised fears of the collapse of the US-backed government.

The capture of Kandahar and Herat - the country's second and third largest cities - would represent the Taliban's two most significant victories since they began a broad offensive in May as US-led foreign forces withdrew under a deal struck between the militants and the United States last year.

"The biggest superpower in the world invades one of the poorest nations on earth. Keeps it occupied for 20 years. Decides to cut losses & leave abruptly. Even before it's departure sees the imposed structure start to melt. Must be very frustrating. You feel u need a scapegoat," Umar said on Twitter.

The minister further said that Pakistan continues to be an agent of stability in the region and urged all stakeholders to work together for peace in the war-torn country.

Umar said it was time to 'stop listening to the few corrupt leaders' in the Afghan government and added that it was the leadership's inability to carry the Afghan nation that has made them 'weak and isolated'

"Global & regional players should not sacrifice the interest of the Afghan nation for these few corrupt leaders."

The statement comes two days after Prime Minister Imran Khan accused the United States of seeing his country as useful only in the context of the "mess" it is leaving behind in Afghanistan after 20 years of fighting.

On Wednesday, the premier said Washington had been pressing Pakistan to use its influence over the Taliban to broker an elusive peace deal as negotiations between the insurgents and Afghan government have stalled, and violence in Afghanistan has escalated sharply.

"Pakistan is just considered only to be useful in the context of somehow settling this mess which has been left behind after 20 years of trying to find a military solution when there was not one," PM Imran told foreign journalists at his home in Islamabad.

The United States will pull out its military by Aug 31, two decades after toppling the Taliban government in 2001. But, as the United States leaves, the Taliban today controls more territory than at any point since then.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No, they aren't getting in the way of a fight between 2 countries. If the Taliban want to fight you because you backed their opponents then it's between you and them.

If they are coming from pakistan then pakistan is declaring war on India as the border is being violated from the pakistani side.

India will respond by declaring a war on pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes he was kidnapped in Kathmandu to get some sort of swap. But Yadav is never coming out and you notice the information he has provided has prevented 1000s of deaths. Yadav will sit in his cell asking why he was sacrificed.

Worry about Habib.

 

[Bewal Express]

If they are coming from pakistan then pakistan is declaring war on India as the border is being violated from the pakistani side.

India will respond by declaring a war on pakistan.

We didn't ask you to go to Afghanistan to attack but you did. Those papers your embassy is burning will be the smoking gun. I just hope they do a good job.

 

[Bewal Express]

Worry about Habib.

I am not, couldn't care less.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes. Read up.

Wrong
You lied