US suspends aid to Pakistan demanding ‘decisive actions against terrorism’

[Abdullah719]

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WASHINGTON — The United States will suspend nearly all security aid to Pakistan, the Trump administration announced on Thursday, in a sign of its frustration with the country’s refusal to confront terrorist networks operating there.

“The suspension is a freeze, and does not reflect intent to reprogram funds at this time,” according to internal government talking points that were obtained by The New York Times.

State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert did not provide an estimate of the total aid funds affected, but said it would be a very significant figure.

The Trump administration had delayed $255 million in State Department aid until Islamabad did more to crack down on terrorism. Relations between the United States and Pakistan have deteriorated since the summer, when President Trump accused the country of giving “safe haven to agents of chaos, violence and terror.”

American officials had also demanded access to a militant who was captured by Pakistani forces during the rescue of a Canadian-American family in October. The militant was a member of the Taliban-linked Haqqani network, but Pakistan rejected the Americans’ request.

The suspension includes Coalition Support Funds for Pakistan, which is provided by the Pentagon to help pay the costs of Pakistan’s counterterror operations.

However, Ms. Nauert added, “There may be some exceptions that are made on a case-by-case basis if determined to be critical to national security interests.”

The United States has provided Pakistan more than $33 billion in aid since 2002.

Additionally, the State Department announced earlier on Thursday that it had placed Pakistan on a special watch list for what it described as the country’s severe violations of religious freedoms. The announcement was part of the administration’s annual accounting of violations by countries as required by the International Religious Freedom Act of 1998.

As Pakistan has become more religiously intolerant in recent years, in part driven by a growing proliferation of religious schools funded by Saudi Arabia, attacks on religious minorities have increased.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/04/us/politics/trump-pakistan-aid.html

 

[PakLFC]

Just gonna anger Pak even more. We must stop pleasing the Americans and take the initiative. Block their supplies to Afghanistan.

 

[Varun]

If indeed the 'aid' was just a payment for using Pakistani facilities to transit into Afghanistan, this is now Pakistan's turn to obviously cut all that right away.

Let's see if they do it.

 

[carbon11]

So they want us to fight the Taliban lol

They want to turn our army into the colonial Punjab army of the British that was sent to Afghanistan which included kpk and fata in those days and ended in big disaster

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

If indeed the 'aid' was just a payment for using Pakistani facilities to transit into Afghanistan, this is now Pakistan's turn to obviously cut all that right away.

Let's see if they do it.

Yes most of it was, the yanks are trying to blame others of their failures in Afghanistan, 17 years and they achieved absolutely nothing

 

[Syed1]

Oh lord they stopped 250million what are we even going to do? Time to eat grass from now on

 

[Abdullah719]

PM Abbasi says US financial assistance ‘very, very insignificant’

Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi has declared himself mystified by US threats to cut off funding, saying that the US financial assistance was “very, very insignificant” and that Pakistan was “on the forefront of the war on terror”.

In an interview with the Guardian, Abbasi said that reports that the US was considering cuts of up to $2bn in security assistance were bewildering because of the total aid Pakistan – civilian and military – actually received was a tiny fraction of that amount.

“I am not sure what US aid has been talked here,” Abbasi said in his office in Islamabad.

“The aid in the last five years at least has been less than $10m a year. It is a very, very insignificant amount. So when I read in the paper that aid at the level of $250m or 500 or 900 has been cut, we at least are not aware of that aid.”

Donald Trump used his first tweet of 2018 to threaten to withhold aid to Pakistan because of what he called its “lies and deceit” over terrorism, claiming: “They give safe haven to the terrorists we hunt in Afghanistan, with little help.” The president has that the US had “foolishly” given Pakistan $33bn over the past 15 years.

According to the US Agency for International Development, the US gave $778m to Pakistan in assistance in 2016, of which 35 per cent was military and the rest economic.

The threatened would include both US military assistance and Afghanistan coalition funding to Islamabad. A senior official was quoted by the French Press Agency as saying that potential cuts could affect bilateral security assistance and funding that is channelled to Islamabad through the US-led coalition in Afghanistan.

The official said it was “approximately $2bn worth of equipment and coalition support funding that is in play”.

The official added that “all options are on the table” when it comes to further moves, including stripping Pakistan of its status as a “major non-Nato ally”.

Pakistani officials said that the amounts actually of aid money spent are much less that those quoted and they plan to publish their version soon.

PM Abbasi rejected Trump’s charge of duplicity over the fight against terrorism, calling his claim that Pakistan was harbouring terrorists a “fallacy”.

“Pakistan is a sovereign country and Pakistan has always abided by international conventions,” he said.

“We are today fighting the largest war on terror in the world. We are fighting the world’s war on terror with our own resources … That is something the world has to appreciate.

“We have over 6,500 [killed] almost 37,000 of the civilian population has been killed. There are tens of thousands of people injured. We have suffered a loss of over $120bn in our economy. So the world has to appreciate that. We just want the world to know that Pakistan is on the forefront on the war on this terror.”

“Today we are fighting terrorists. So if somebody says we are harbouring terrorists, there is no greater fallacy,” Abbasi said.

“We have engaged US at every level from President Trump down. We have explained to them … what Pakistan has done we have explained to the rest of the world also.”

“[It’s] the rest of the world failed in Afghanistan to control terrorists who today attack Pakistan across the border. Pakistan has won the war against terror on its own territory,” Abbasi said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1602193/1-pm-abbasi-says-us-financial-assistance-insignificant/

 

[Gabbar Singh]

America: "Do more against terrorism or we will stop sending you money".
Pakistan: "Money, what money are you talking about? You just reimburse us for services and in fact your war is costing us money".

If Pakistan are telling the truth then why even co-operate with the US at all? Stop providing them with these facilities and services and in turn save yourself a lot of money and hassle.

 

[www787]

America: "Do more against terrorism or we will stop sending you money".
Pakistan: "Money, what money are you talking about? You just reimburse us for services and in fact your war is costing us money".

If Pakistan are telling the truth then why even co-operate with the US at all? Stop providing them with these facilities and services and in turn save yourself a lot of money and hassle.

necessary evil

 

[PakLFC]

It is a good thing. Suspending all aid will make Pak independent. Initially it will be difficult but will get used to it. I am certain Pak will not bend to American's demands this time with NS no longer PM.

 

[sjahmed23]

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Very good interview by general durrani for those who want to understand this issue from Pakistan's pov...

 

[Sean143]

Islamabad to continue engagement with Washington: Janjua

KARACHI: Foreign Se*cre*tary Tehmina Janjua has said that Pakistan will continue to have engagement, as far as possible, with the US because America is not only a global power but also has its presence in the region, and “for us it’s almost our neighbour”.

Delivering a lecture on ‘Pakistan’s Foreign Policy Issues’ at the Institute of Business Administration (IBA) here on Saturday, she said: “We need to continue to have a measured response to all the rhetoric coming out of the US.”

In reply to a question, the foreign secretary said President Donald Trump’s tweet on Jan 1 could be well thought out or he was just being his impulsive self, or it could be a result of any other reason such as the fact that the US is not doing well in Afghanistan.

Giving her reasons for speaking at IBA, Ms Janjua said at the outset that the Foreign Office needed to come out of its building and talk to the people. Then she remarked, “I put my foot in the mouth when I decided to come [here] today, especially when Mr Trump put his foot in the mouth when he sent out that tweet.”

She began her presentation by highlighting the objectives of Pakistan’s foreign policy.

Talking about the global and regional environment, she pointed out that “America first” was the slogan that came up with Mr Trump coming to power... At that point Ms Janjua commented, “The tweet that came on Jan 1 was a tweet that came for many reasons. We are trying to analyse why that tweet came. It could have been some briefing material given to him in the morning… What triggered it? Because we mustn’t forget that the meetings we had with the Americans (General Mattis) before that were positive… Yet on Jan 1 the New Year’s gift to the world were two tweets: there was one about Pakistan and the other about Iran. Why was the president of the United States at four o’clock in the morning thinking about Pakistan and Iran? In Iran, there was something happening there, but Pakistan, [a] question mark.”

She said Pakistan’s concerns were highlighted in the cabinet’s national security committee. They were: security provider role given to India in our region; border management issues; the US National Security Strategy, 2017, which wasn’t positive. But, she said, this was all a pattern with the US South Asia policy.

The foreign secretary said one of the reasons for the situation was the rise of China as an economic and military power perceived as the challenger to the US dominance.

She said in Afghanistan the India-US nexus was very much there. There were ungoverned spaces in Afghanistan, so when they talked about “sanctuaries in Pakistan, we’d been telling our American friends that as far as Pakistan is concerned there is no organised presence of the Haqqani network. And if you have any information, through intelligence sharing we can address this issue”. On the contrary, she argued, Pakistan had expressed concern over the sanctuaries in Afghanistan that were being used by anti-Pakistan groups.

With respect to the Middle East, Ms Janjua said Pakistan’s challenge was to find a balance with its friends in the Gulf region.

“We are very satisfied with the relations we have with Russia.”

Highlighting the opportunities that Pakistan had, the foreign secretary said it was to increase regional and global connectivity along with its membership of regional organisations.

She said current focus of Pakistan’s foreign policy was on having a strategic partnership with China; continue promoting peace with Afghanistan; return of Afghan refugees with dignity; focus on border management with Afghanistan; maintaining principled position for a comprehensive dialogue with India, etc.

She said Pakistan was China’s partner in the Belt and Road Initiative. The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor was a pathway to industrial development in Pakistan, she added.

Answering a question on Pakistan being put by the US on watch list for violation of religious freedom, Ms Janjua said it had political reasons because right next door [in India] mob lynching of Muslims and minorities took place but no one took notice of it.

Source Link:https://www.dawn.com/news/1381369/islamabad-to-continue-engagement-with-washington-janjua

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Pakistan blocked overland Nato supplies into Afghanistan for months in 2011/2012 (post Bin Laden raid) - will they do this again in response to the aid cuts?

 

[Pakpak]

America: "Do more against terrorism or we will stop sending you money".
Pakistan: "Money, what money are you talking about? You just reimburse us for services and in fact your war is costing us money".

If Pakistan are telling the truth then why even co-operate with the US at all? Stop providing them with these facilities and services and in turn save yourself a lot of money and hassle.

Because you're here thinking that our leaders make deals for the betterment of the country. They do not. Any deals made with America have always benefited the leaders, not the nation. If the US offers a deal the leaders have not said ''but what is in it for Pakistan'', they have said ''can you get my kids US nationality/education?''. Its why all their kids are American nationals, despite none of them ever living in US for more than a handful for years.

The defence minister, the biggest fraud of them all, forgot during his tirade that his kids are US nationals too. If a war ever breaks out these cowards already have second homes set up abroad.

 

[Snak3eye5]

I'm still curious on what report reached Trumps desk on New Years day early hours in the morning regarding Pakistan for him to send that tweet. There's definitely more to the story that perhaps only leaders in the top positions on both sides know about. Would be nice to know.

 

[Markhor]

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Very good interview by general durrani for those who want to understand this issue from Pakistan's pov...

Durrani is always very blunt and candid in interviews. There is a huge game being played in Afghanistan which requires careful handling.

Pakistan want to use Afghan Taliban as leverage over the Kabul government, but this is a government the US have spent billions propping up with 2000 soldiers dead The US aren't going away, they want to retain their bases to keep Iranian, Russian, Chinese and Pakistani interests at bay. They're not going to repeat the mistake of 1989 and 2002 when they took their eye off the ball. They don't Saigon 1975 all over again.

The corporations who've won lucrative defence contracts will continue profiting from this endless war and bankrolling pro-war US politicians. Sooner or later Pakistan has to mend its bridges with the Kabul government which will survive as long as backed up by American force. Its not in Pakistan's interest to have bad relations with both western and eastern neighbours.

Even Pakistan's leverage over Afghan Taliban isn't what it used to be. US seem to think Pakistan has the Afghan Taliban at its beck and call when actually they now get more money from the drug trade through Iran - Mullah Mansour himself was killed near the Iranian border. Iran have an interest in sustaining the Taliban as they don't want thousands of American troops on their doorstep. Afghan Taliban is now more splintered and less reliant on Pakistani patronage.

Then there's Russia and China who've increased contact with the Afghan Taliban who are viewed as a counter to ISIS - both are grappling with Islamist insurgencies themselves and so have an interest in stabilising Afghanistan. Meanwhile, the US will take their anger out on Pakistan by strengthening ties with India and cutting aid.

So I can understand Pakistan's double games but whether the cost of the game - in terms of the refugee crisis, radicalisation of our own population, spread of illegal guns and narcotics, and the rise of TTP which has caused untold casualties - has been worth it is up to Pakistanis to decide.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm still curious on what report reached Trumps desk on New Years day early hours in the morning regarding Pakistan for him to send that tweet. There's definitely more to the story that perhaps only leaders in the top positions on both sides know about. Would be nice to know.

Somebody obviously got to him during the New Year's Eve party and had a word in his ear. And that whisperer could have been some rich businessman who's bought himself a membership at Mar-a-Lago, and who has links to some anti-Pakistan foreign government for example. Otherwise, for something like this, I doubt any official woke him up at 4:00 am just to give him some news about Pakistan that prompted this tweet.

Trump looks to cash in from lavish NYE party at Mar-a-Lago – but is it ethical?

[........]

Richard Painter, the former top ethics lawyer in the George W Bush administration, believes that the party – as with Trump’s continued use of the club – offers presidential access to anyone that can afford its $200,000 initiation fee.

[........]

“He can easily be contacted by members of Mar-a-Lago, so people who pay him or pay his company money are getting preferential access. If you go to the bar, you run into prominent government officials. So it’s lobbying, but it’s not lobbying that’s going to be disclosed under the Lobbying Disclosure Act.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/31/trump-mar-a-lago-florida-new-years-eve-party

 

[CricketCartoons]

Otherwise, for something like this, I doubt any official woke him up at 4:00 am just to give him some news about Pakistan that prompted this tweet.

Does twitter show the timestamp of the person who tweeted, or the local timezone of the viewer?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

We know whats happening here, USA dont like whats happening with the greater influence Beijing is having in Pakistan, China is building military bases, they manage to convince the Pakistanis to trade the Yuan rather than the dollar for Chinese transactions (something the USA opposes).

USA has done nothing in Pakistan, China is investing heavily.

I dont blame Pakistan for aligning themselves with China, USA govt dept is very hostile towards Pakistan, the USA media is always mentioning Pakistan in a negative way, time would have come when USA would have attacked Pakistan.

Pakistan chose the right partner..

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan has suspended military and intelligence cooperation with the United States in the wake of US President Donald Trump's allegation that Pakistan has given the US "nothing but lies and deceit" and suspension of security aid for Pakistan, Defence Minister Khurram Dastgir Khan said while addressing a gathering at Institute of Strategic Studies in Islamabad on Tuesday.

Speaking during a seminar titled 'Contours of Security Environment of Pakistan', Khan said the US is facing defeat in Afghanistan despite spending billions of dollars. He alleged that the US is using Pakistan as a 'scapegoat' for its failures in Afghanistan.

"Pakistan does not want to put a price on its sacrifices but wants them to be recognised," the defence minister said, adding that Pakistan will not allow Afghanistan's war to be fought on Pakistani territory.

Khan also said that the US is busy in a blame game against Pakistan rather than providing it with assistance to secure the Pak-Afghan border.

Answering a question on the occasion, the minister said that Pakistan took the right steps by blocking Nato supplies to Afghanistan in the aftermath of 2011 attack at Salala check post.

But Pakistan is not taking the same route after Trump's recent tirade as it is a "leverage we want to use at the appropriate time", he clarified.

The defence minister said Iran, China and Russia are as important to the region as the US and reaffirmed Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif's statement signalling that the alliance between Pakistan and the US is over.

"This is not how allies behave," Asif had said in an interview with the Wall Street Journal earlier this week. He maintained that Washington has turned Islamabad into a "whipping boy" for its failures in Afghanistan.

The Pentagon on Monday said that the US has told Pakistan what it must do if it wants Washington to resume paying out hundreds of millions of dollars in security aid.

“Our expectations are straightforward,” Pentagon spokesman Colonel Rob Manning told reporters.

“Taliban and Haqqani leadership and attack planners should no longer be able to find safe haven or conduct operations from Pakistani soil.”

Worsening relations
In the new year, Washington has increased pressure on Islamabad to "do more" in the fight against terrorism.

Washington has stated that the suspension of military aid, which came after Trump accused Pakistan of "lies and deceit", is part of America's South Asia strategy.

The development has followed in the aftermath of an increasingly terse back-and-forth between Washington and Islamabad since Trump announced the policy.

In Pakistan, the move has been seen as the first step to implementing Trump’s pledge to tighten economic restrictions on Islamabad.

Despite the tension, however, US and Pakistani officials remain in contact with each other. US Defence Secretary James Mattis on Friday said that the Pentagon was maintaining its communication with the Pakistani military establishment even after the suspension of military assistance.

Foreign Se*cre*tary Tehmina Janjua has said that Pakistan will continue to engage with Washington as far as possible, because America is not only a global power but also has a regional presence, and "for us it’s almost our neighbour".

https://www.dawn.com/news/1381839/m...ooperation-with-us-suspended-defence-minister

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

so they will not block the supply routes.... cowards

 

[R3verse Swing]

The only reason why America needs Pakistan is NOT because of Afghanistan, but because of Iran. Yes Pakistan shares a border with Iran.

The so called *aid* from USA was merely the price to setup American military bases in Pakistan.

I am thrilled by the fact Pakistan has ditched the USD in favour of the Yuan with respect to bilateral trade.

Good bye Petro-dollar!

Keep it up Pakistan.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Pakistan say, China, Russia and Iran are the regional players.

USA influence is fast reducing around the world, the guy Trump is a buffoon...

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think Pak is in any mood to give in to American demands. They can suspend whatever they want. Trump's attempts to bully us will never work. He has no idea of diplomacy at all. We are talking off a man who every night eats a burger sitting on his bed

 

[Saeed]

The only reason why America needs Pakistan is NOT because of Afghanistan, but because of Iran. Yes Pakistan shares a border with Iran.

The so called *aid* from USA was merely the price to setup American military bases in Pakistan.

Lol. So America doesn’t need Pakistan’s route for Afghan war? Iran is not a landlocked country like Afghanistan so how does Pakistan’s border matter?

Recently Pakistan’s Defence minister tweeted that “Pak as anti-terror ally has given free to US: land & air communication, military bases & intel cooperation that decimated Al-Qaeda over last 16yrs“. According to him the bases were provided for free.

 

[Pakistanian]

The only reason why America needs Pakistan is NOT because of Afghanistan, but because of Iran. Yes Pakistan shares a border with Iran.

The so called *aid* from USA was merely the price to setup American military bases in Pakistan.

I am thrilled by the fact Pakistan has ditched the USD in favour of the Yuan with respect to bilateral trade.

Good bye Petro-dollar!

Keep it up Pakistan.

You sound like an indian false flagger. America already has bases in Qatar and Bahrain which are far closer to Iran, they also have bases in Iraq which shares a long border with Iran.

 

[gkb101277867]

Lol. This was the chance to show a bit of bravery and block the nato supply routes. Pak will be pak lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

The only reason why America needs Pakistan is NOT because of Afghanistan, but because of Iran. Yes Pakistan shares a border with Iran.

The so called *aid* from USA was merely the price to setup American military bases in Pakistan.

I am thrilled by the fact Pakistan has ditched the USD in favour of the Yuan with respect to bilateral trade.

Good bye Petro-dollar!

Keep it up Pakistan.

Just because Pakistan started using Yuan for trade with china doesnt mean jack.Pakistan is a small economy.

Pakistan will have to pay for all its imports from non chinese companies in USD only.

While china will pay Pakistan in Yuan for using Gwadar or any transit fees or anything it buys from Pakistan.

China keeps yuan devalued and periodically keepa devaluing it to keep is exports competitive.

There are reasons why no major economy uses Yuan widely and uses free float currencies like Dollar or Euro or Pound.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

I don't think Pak is in any mood to give in to American demands. They can suspend whatever they want. Trump's attempts to bully us will never work. He has no idea of diplomacy at all. We are talking off a man who every night eats a burger sitting on his bed

If this was 17 years ago then maybe they USA would have had massive influence with their threats, China is willing to veto anything negative against Pakistan at the UN so the USA leverage has gone.

Incidentally the best growing economies in the next 30 years will be in Asia, so the US will have to learn how to suck up to Asian countries eventually.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Just because Pakistan started using Yuan for trade with china doesnt mean jack.Pakistan is a small economy.

Pakistan will have to pay for all its imports from non chinese companies in USD only.

While china will pay Pakistan in Yuan for using Gwadar or any transit fees or anything it buys from Pakistan.

China keeps yuan devalued and periodically keepa devaluing it to keep is exports competitive.

There are reasons why no major economy uses Yuan widely and uses free float currencies like Dollar or Euro or Pound.

You have completely missed the point.

Dumping the USD doesn't hurt or effect Pakistan, but hurts and effects the Petro-dollar.

For your info, the Yuan was admitted to the IMF SDR, and now represents 10% of global reserve currency. This within a year. Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and and other countries are dumping the USD for an alternative. Whether it be Yuan, Gold, or Euro.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You sound like an indian false flagger. America already has bases in Qatar and Bahrain which are far closer to Iran, they also have bases in Iraq which shares a long border with Iran.

With respect, an Indian false flagger would not support the demise of the USD in favour of the Yuan.

You mention Qatar, well, Trump has placed Qatar on the axis of evil - working with Iran on perpetuating terrorism and funding ISIS.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Lol. So America doesn’t need Pakistan’s route for Afghan war? Iran is not a landlocked country like Afghanistan so how does Pakistan’s border matter?

Recently Pakistan’s Defence minister tweeted that “Pak as anti-terror ally has given free to US: land & air communication, military bases & intel cooperation that decimated Al-Qaeda over last 16yrs“. According to him the bases were provided for free.

Decimated Al-Qaeda over the last 16 years? Al-Qaeda died in 2003. The next Bogeyman was created - ISIS.

Allow me to make myself clear. Russia and USA had their backsides handed to them on a plate by Afghanistan in the 70s/80s - Bin Laden was on CIA payroll - if the might of the Russians/Americans could not defeat Afghanistan, what hope is an alliance with Pakistan? The border between Afghanistan cannot be policed.

The end game is Iran.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Decimated Al-Qaeda over the last 16 years? Al-Qaeda died in 2003. The next Bogeyman was created - ISIS.

Allow me to make myself clear. Russia and USA had their backsides handed to them on a plate by Afghanistan in the 70s/80s - Bin Laden was on CIA payroll - if the might of the Russians/Americans could not defeat Afghanistan, what hope is an alliance with Pakistan? The border between Afghanistan cannot be policed.

The end game is Iran.

that is the end game for the yanks, Iran knows this but they are no weak nation like Iraq, Libya or Syria. Russia has realised this they wont allow it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

that is the end game for the yanks, Iran knows this but they are no weak nation like Iraq, Libya or Syria. Russia has realised this they wont allow it.

Precisely.

Russia is the up coming powerhouse, with China having one foot in the door.

Pakistan must think of the future. Power is shifting towards the East both in terms of economics and military since 2008. The future is not with USA, but with China/Russia. Pakistan has chosen wisely. With Pakistan being a true ally of China, things will only get better Inshallah. Russia is just icing on the cake!

 

[Saeed]

The end game is Iran.

Good. Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria.

 

[R3verse Swing]

 

[R3verse Swing]

As one can deduce. Qatar/Bahrain borders are further away from Iran than Pakistan.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Good. Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria.

Please elaborate.

 

[Saeed]

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They need some bases in North and then Iran will be completely surrounded. Looks like American bases in Kuwait and Iraq are far closer to Iran’s main cities than Pakistan’s border is. So how is Pakistan’s border with Iran important for America?

 

[R3verse Swing]

They need some bases in North and then Iran will be completely surrounded. Looks like American bases in Kuwait and Iraq are far closer to Iran’s main cities than Pakistan’s border is. So how is Pakistan’s border with Iran important for America?

Oh my.

The suspected Nuclear Reactors in Iran are closer to Pakistan than Kuwait. This is kindergarten knowledge.

However, this is a side point. Kindly explain why "Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria."

 

[Saeed]

The suspected Nuclear Reactors in Iran are closer to Pakistan than Kuwait.

However, this is a side point. Kindly explain why "Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria."

Do people also cook up conspiracy theories at kindergarten? But it’s not a landlocked country so how does the distance matter? If America wanted to interfere in Iran it could be done from other countries too.

I guess by end game you mean America will create problems in Iran. Answer the questions in post 25 and then I will elaborate.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Do people also cook up conspiracy theories at kindergarten? But it’s not a landlocked country so how does the distance matter? If America wanted to interfere in Iran it could be done from other countries too.

I guess by end game you mean America will create problems in Iran. Answer the questions in post 25 and then I will elaborate.

I see no answer to your claim - "Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria".

The lack of you answer substantiates your position is one of conspiracy.

As a side note, the closer one is to a nuclear reactor, the quicker one can destroy it. Elementary intelligence.

Best.

 

[Saeed]

I see no answer to your claim - "Iranian Government would totally deserve it for interfering and wasting money in Iraq, Lebanon and Syria".

The lack of you answer substantiates your position is one of conspiracy.

As a side note, the closer one is to a nuclear reactor, the quicker one can destroy it. Elementary intelligence.

Best.

They are indeed laughable conspiracy theories. You keep dodging my questions in original post and then you expect me to answer your laughable conspiracy theories. You claimed America needs Pakistan for Iran, not Afghanistan. So America doesn’t need Pakistan for supply lines?

It is not a claim, it’s a fact. Looks like they don’t teach about that in a certain elementary school. No honest person can deny that Iran played their own “end games” in those countries. So it is hypocritical to criticize America when it supposedly does the same to Iranian regime.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Saeed
i find this really sad when you can just say that Iran deserves it for interfering with it neighbours, you have to remember millions of people live in Iran and you think its ok to totally destroy it and the people in it?

Whats happening in the middle east is about dominance, the Wahabis in Saudi and the Shi'tes in Iran, really sad, innocent people dying for silly reason.

I have a simple motto, if you think your faith is correct, wait till the day of judgement, dont go killing people who dont believe in your religion, everyone has freewill.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

They are indeed laughable conspiracy theories. You keep dodging my questions in original post and then you expect me to answer your laughable conspiracy theories. You claimed America needs Pakistan for Iran, not Afghanistan. So America doesn’t need Pakistan for supply lines?

It is not a claim, it’s a fact. Looks like they don’t teach about that in a certain elementary school. No honest person can deny that Iran played their own “end games” in those countries. So it is hypocritical to criticize America when it supposedly does the same to Iranian regime.

The VP of USA came to Afghanistan on a surprise mission no one knew he was coming, thats how safe it is in Afghanistan for USA. Its frustrated USA that the taliban have taken back most of their territories.

USA needs Pakistan for stability of Afghanistan, Pakistan are truly correct in playing double game, USA will leave Afghanistan just like Soviets but we will still share a border with Afghanistan and we will have to clean all the mess, best be on good terms with the people in power...

 

[Saeed]

Saeed
i find this really sad when you can just say that Iran deserves it for interfering with it neighbours, you have to remember millions of people live in Iran and you think its ok to totally destroy it and the people in it?

Whats happening in the middle east is about dominance, the Wahabis in Saudi and the Shi'tes in Iran, really sad, innocent people dying for silly reason.

I have a simple motto, if you think your faith is correct, wait till the day of judgement, dont go killing people who dont believe in your religion, everyone has freewill.

I am just going along with the conspiracy theory. Doesn’t mean I actually support foreign interference in Iran or believe that America and few other countries actually support average Iranian. I hope some people will raise questions about millions when Iran/Saudis interfere in other countries. Saudi and Iranian Regime are great example of pot calling kettle black.

 

[R3verse Swing]

They are indeed laughable conspiracy theories. You keep dodging my questions in original post and then you expect me to answer your laughable conspiracy theories. You claimed America needs Pakistan for Iran, not Afghanistan. So America doesn’t need Pakistan for supply lines?

It is not a claim, it’s a fact. Looks like they don’t teach about that in a certain elementary school. No honest person can deny that Iran played their own “end games” in those countries. So it is hypocritical to criticize America when it supposedly does the same to Iranian regime.

Hmmm. Claiming a fact devoid of evidence or explanation is akin to a conspiracy. You have presented zero evidence or explanation of Iranian involvement substantiating your claim. I brace myself for Fox news citation.

For the record, as I have explained, USA needs Pakistan because USA can destroy Iranian Nuclear bases in a timely manner as the bases are closer to the Pakistan border. I thought this was obvious.

Do not pass Go, do not collect 200. (Or perhaps you need a "Get out of Jail free card"?)

 

[Saeed]

Hmmm. Claiming a fact devoid of evidence or explanation is akin to a conspiracy. You have presented zero evidence or explanation of Iranian involvement substantiating your claim. I brace myself for Fox news citation.

For the record, as I have explained, USA needs Pakistan because USA can destroy Iranian Nuclear bases in a timely manner as the bases are closer to the Pakistan border. I thought this was obvious.

Do not pass Go, do not collect 200. (Or perhaps you need a "Get out of Jail free card"?)

As expected you can’t defend your laughable conspiracy theories. Nope, never going to cite Fox, Breitbart, RT, Presstv or a similar site. Why do you even need a citation for Iranian involvement in those countries? If it was a number then I would cite it. Use old threads about Syria/Iraq or simply google. You will find plenty of credible sources. Now days this is “elementary knowledge” and Iran itself accepts it.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The VP of USA came to Afghanistan on a surprise mission no one knew he was coming, thats how safe it is in Afghanistan for USA. Its frustrated USA that the taliban have taken back most of their territories.

USA needs Pakistan for stability of Afghanistan, Pakistan are truly correct in playing double game, USA will leave Afghanistan just like Soviets but we will still share a border with Afghanistan and we will have to clean all the mess, best be on good terms with the people in power...

The reality is that many follow the USA narrative on Iran. (Just as they do with North Korea). The simple litmus test is to ask what has Iran/North Korea ever done to the UK? USA? India? Indeed, the silence is deafening. This is commonly referred to as the sheeple mentality.

I request users to look up *Operation Ajax* on Wikipedia.

The world then wonders why Iran has an animosity towards USA. For those unable to look up Operation Ajax, it was when the USA overturned a democratically elected leader in Iran via the CIA (so much for USA upholding democracy in the world). USA then installed a puppet government lead by the Shah. The rest is history.

 

[R3verse Swing]

As expected you can’t defend your laughable conspiracy theories. Nope, never going to cite Fox, Breitbart, RT, Presstv or a similar site. Why do you even need a citation for Iranian involvement in those countries? If it was a number then I would cite it. Use old threads about Syria/Iraq or simply google. You will find plenty of credible sources. Now days this is “elementary knowledge” and Iran itself accepts it.

I asked you. Not Google.

Perhaps I was naive in giving your view point credibility and attention.

Lesson learned.

 

[Saeed]

I asked you. Not Google.

Perhaps I was naive in giving your view point credibility and attention.

Lesson learned.

I am not posting any citations because you were completely rude to me by dodging my questions.

Hopefully you learned a lot.

 

[R3verse Swing]

I am not posting any citations because you were completely rude to me by dodging my questions.

Hopefully you learned a lot.

Euphemism for intellectually bankrupt. Apologies for being rude!

Best!

 

[Saeed]

Euphemism for intellectually bankrupt. Apologies for being rude!

Best!

Have a nice day bro. It just a small chat, don’t let the Internet ruin your mood.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Have a nice day bro. It just a small chat, don’t let the Internet ruin your mood.

My mood is great! After all, you were check-mate, mate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You have completely missed the point.

Dumping the USD doesn't hurt or effect Pakistan, but hurts and effects the Petro-dollar.

For your info, the Yuan was admitted to the IMF SDR, and now represents 10% of global reserve currency. This within a year. Russia, Iran, Venezuela, and and other countries are dumping the USD for an alternative. Whether it be Yuan, Gold, or Euro.

Yuan represents 10% of global currency because the 2nd largest economy uses it.

Tell how many trillion dollar economies will use the Yuan?

 

[Ocelot]

So they want us to fight the Taliban lol

They want to turn our army into the colonial Punjab army of the British that was sent to Afghanistan which included kpk and fata in those days and ended in big disaster

Funny thing is Afghans lost all the Afghan-Sikh wars.

 

[TM Riddle]

Funny thing is Afghans lost all the Afghan-Sikh wars.

Afghans also massacred countless Sikhs , raped their women , looted Amritsar and destroyed Golden temple filling the sarovar with garbage in the process.
But yeah Sikhs had a last laugh. So much so that even the name of General Hari Singh Nalwa of Khalsa army was enough to strike terror in the hearts of Pashtun soldiers.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yuan represents 10% of global currency because the 2nd largest economy uses it.

Tell how many trillion dollar economies will use the Yuan?

Not the point.

In a year of SDR inclusion, Yuan represents 10% of Global Reserve Currency. Within a year. Meaning it has gobbled up 10% of USD reserve allocation. Let this sink in.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not the point.

In a year of SDR inclusion, Yuan represents 10% of Global Reserve Currency. Within a year. Meaning it has gobbled up 10% of USD reserve allocation. Let this sink in.

No. That has to be compared with the SDR in the previous period.

SDR is pegged againist USD,Yuan,Yen,Euro and GBP. Its has to be seen which currency represented what percentage previously and what it represents now. I wont be surprised if the fall, if any is in Euro and Pound.

 

[R3verse Swing]

No. That has to be compared with the SDR in the previous period.

SDR is pegged againist USD,Yuan,Yen,Euro and GBP. Its has to be seen which currency represented what percentage previously and what it represents now. I wont be surprised if the fall, if any is in Euro and Pound.

Yes previous period being the last year. Since then, 10% increase.

Pound is not a currency, the official name is Sterling.

Lets see what the next 12 months hold.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes previous period being the last year. Since then, 10% increase.

Pound is not a currency, the official name is Sterling.

Lets see what the next 12 months hold.

Yuan was only added in the SDR currency basket in October 2016. Now why not tell what was the proportion of each currency previous to that and what is the proportion now?

 

[R3verse Swing]

Yuan was only added in the SDR currency basket in October 2016. Now why not tell what was the proportion of each currency previous to that and what is the proportion now?

I just told you. Yuan increased its proportion to 10%. Elementary maths tells us the proportion of other 4 reserve currencies decreased with the inclusion of a 5th reserve currency - Yuan. What's not to understand?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I just told you. Yuan increased its proportion to 10%. Elementary maths tells us the proportion of other 4 reserve currencies decreased with the inclusion of a 5th reserve currency - Yuan. What's not to understand?

What is the decrease in proportion of the other currencies since you claimed that Yuan gobbled up the 10% from USD. You didnot mention another currency.

Not the point.

In a year of SDR inclusion, Yuan represents 10% of Global Reserve Currency. Within a year. Meaning it has gobbled up 10% of USD reserve allocation. Let this sink in.