[VIDEO] Afghan Restaurant Bamyan Waiter launching Racist tirade against Pakistani customers

[Greenstorm]

solated incidents like these shouldn't be used to direct hate against the Afghan people. There is already a lot of mistrust between both nations mainly due to social media and our enemies have tried to exploit that.

On a side note, Pakistan should give citizenship to Afghan refugees instead of sending them back. I know some Afghan students from my university who were born and raised here but have to relocate now in Afghanistan. For me they were as much Pakistani as any other. Furthermore, Afghanis are usually hardworking, action oriented individuals who, with little guidance can be an asset for our country. Decades of war may have effected their psyche. We should be more considerate towards them because after all, they are our Muslim brothers !

 

[Bigboii]

solated incidents like these shouldn't be used to direct hate against the Afghan people. There is already a lot of mistrust between both nations mainly due to social media and our enemies have tried to exploit that.

On a side note, Pakistan should give citizenship to Afghan refugees instead of sending them back. I know some Afghan students from my university who were born and raised here but have to relocate now in Afghanistan. For me they were as much Pakistani as any other. Furthermore, Afghanis are usually hardworking, action oriented individuals who, with little guidance can be an asset for our country. Decades of war may have effected their psyche. We should be more considerate towards them because after all, they are our Muslim brothers !

agreed
Ik promised the citizenship too wonder whats happening with that

 

[SpiritOf1903]

A crazy axis

 

[Giannis]

Its strange that despite a 7 decade old rivalry between Pakistan and India, havent seen such incidences happen between the 2 communities. My experience visiting Pakistani restaurants in US has been rather good.

Trust me, such incidents have happened before, I've seen fights between Indians and Pakistanis

 

[Greenstorm]

agreed
Ik promised the citizenship too wonder whats happening with that

No idea. Apparently certain Baloch sardars weren't happy with that as this will 'alter the demography'. Basically these sardars are afraid that they will lose their influence.

 

[moghul]

What a spineless Pakistani community we have in Canada, the crazy guy is not behind the bar yet? And, the owner got away with a simple apology, not enough.

 

[kingusama92]

What a spineless Pakistani community we have in Canada, the crazy guy is not behind the bar yet? And, the owner got away with a simple apology, not enough.

I suppose so but Canadians (including Pakistani-Canadians) usually don't have a combative approach to these situations. This is true in all walks of life.

I won't say it's good or bad, but it's the way things are.

It's not even a minority thing but just more of a general disposition whether you're white, black, brown, or purple. You can go back and look at how other incidents like this have ended and all of them have similar outcomes.

Even the BLM protests here didn't have the same passion here as they did in America.

 

[junoon]

Owner of restaurant at centre of racial slur video apologizes


https://blackburnnews.com/london/lo...staurant-centre-racial-slur-video-apologizes/

The guy in the video has been removed as a partner and employee.

I thought that afghan restaurant in London was part of this famous bamiyan kabob franchise in GTA. But it turns out to be a different restaurant

https://www.bamiyankabob.com/

https://www.bamiyankabob.com/afghani-restaurant-locations/

 

[SpiritOf1903]

What a spineless Pakistani community we have in Canada, the crazy guy is not behind the bar yet? And, the owner got away with a simple apology, not enough.

So one random, barely minimum wage guy who's probably got a ton of issues has an outburst which may or may not have been caused due to these gyals haranguing him or being a nuisance and it's a diplomatic incident?. Wah. E kya.

 

[Savak]

Pakistanis have started boycotting that resteraunt and the resteraunt owners are feeling the pinch, hence they put out this late apology.

 

[rhony]

Good riddance. Who asks if one is a Pakistani or Afghani or Indian anyway. Businesses typically embrace people from other countries. There are many restaurants or grocery stores in chicagoland that advertise themselves as "IndoPak". I am a business man myself and I know how we go out of our ways to solicit business from many communities. This petty behaviour doesn't belong in business.

 

[moghul]

So one random, barely minimum wage guy who's probably got a ton of issues has an outburst which may or may not have been caused due to these gyals haranguing him or being a nuisance and it's a diplomatic incident?. Wah. E kya.

Different people can have different reaction to a particular event depending upon their background . It did not bother you much but I'm from Pakistan and what I saw made me very angry. And FYI, the guy is co-owner of the restaurant, not a "barely minimum wage guy"

 

[El Generico]

So one random, barely minimum wage guy who's probably got a ton of issues has an outburst which may or may not have been caused due to these gyals haranguing him or being a nuisance and it's a diplomatic incident?. Wah. E kya.

I have a feeling you haven’t really read the news at all. The guy was not a minimum wage worker rather he was part owner of the restaurant. Also the other groups weren’t “gals ” rather it was a family consisting of parents and their son.

I am not saying this a diplomatic incident but pointing out the misinformation in your post. Generally it helps to read the news that you are responding to.

 

[El Generico]

solated incidents like these shouldn't be used to direct hate against the Afghan people. There is already a lot of mistrust between both nations mainly due to social media and our enemies have tried to exploit that.

On a side note, Pakistan should give citizenship to Afghan refugees instead of sending them back. I know some Afghan students from my university who were born and raised here but have to relocate now in Afghanistan. For me they were as much Pakistani as any other. Furthermore, Afghanis are usually hardworking, action oriented individuals who, with little guidance can be an asset for our country. Decades of war may have effected their psyche. We should be more considerate towards them because after all, they are our Muslim brothers !

True it makes no sense that Afghans born in Pakistan don’t have Pakistani citizenship.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistanis have started boycotting that resteraunt and the resteraunt owners are feeling the pinch, hence they put out this late apology.

It is expected because you cannot expect rational behavior from Pakistani people. Why would you boycott a restaurant (if you like their food) just because of what one person did.

This restaurant must have served Pakistanis a million times with no trouble and this particular guy must have also served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

If I was in Canada and I liked their food, I wouldn’t have any problem with his views on Pakistan and Pakistani people. I am interested in his food, I am not marrying my daughter to him.

Leave it to Pakistani people to go overboard and get excessively emotional and patriotic. These same Pakistani will make a billion excuses if you ask them to forgo their precious Canadian passports and return to Pakistan if they are so patriotic and love the country so much.

 

[El Generico]

It is expected because you cannot expect rational behavior from Pakistani people. Why would you boycott a restaurant (if you like their food) just because of what one person did.

This restaurant must have served Pakistanis a million times with no trouble and this particular guy must have also served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

If I was in Canada and I liked their food, I wouldn’t have any problem with his views on Pakistan and Pakistani people. I am interested in his food, I am not marrying my daughter to him.

Leave it to Pakistani people to go overboard and get excessively emotional and patriotic. These same Pakistani will make a billion excuses if you ask them to forgo their precious Canadian passports and return to Pakistan if they are so patriotic and love the country so much.

That one person was the co-owner so the call for boycott made a lot of sense. However after the apology and the removal of the racist, the call has been taken back. If you read the article, the representative said that they have no issues with the restaurant anymore.

As for the second part. everyone has their own views but most people don’t like being racially abused by the businesses they are patronizing. You may be okay with putting up with abuse if the food is good enough but I would wager majority of the people in the world probably won’t be. Especially if they are paying for the food lol.

 

[Mamoon]

That one person was the co-owner so the call for boycott made a lot of sense. However after the apology and the removal of the racist, the call has been taken back. If you read the article, the representative said that they have no issues with the restaurant anymore.

As for the second part. everyone has their own views but most people don’t like being racially abused by the businesses they are patronizing. You may be okay with putting up with abuse if the food is good enough but I would wager majority of the people in the world probably won’t be.

If this restaurant has been around for a substantial period of time, it must have served Pakistani customers thousands of times without a fuss.

It is not like every Pakistani that walks into the restaurant gets racially abused and discriminated. If that was the case, this restaurant would be frequently in the news. However, this is literally the first time such an incident has been reported.

If this man is the co-owner it reinforces the fact that he must have served countless Pakistanis without any issues. It is not like he asks people to show them passports every time they walk in and then launches a tirade when he sees a Pakistani passport.

He clearly holds anti-Pakistan views but more importantly, he was provoked. His reaction is not justified by the provocation but the point is that he doesn’t abuse every Pakistani that comes to his restaurant.

There is clearly a backstory to this and he had a heated argument with the customers which then spilled over to the point where he lost it and started abusing Pakistan, and that is when the customers decided to film him.

As a result, there is absolutely no reason to boycott his restaurant just because he holds anti-Pakistan views and lost his temper once because of some argument/problem with one group of customers.

No one likes to put with abuse and neither do I, but I also don’t believe in fighting other people’s battles. Since he serves Pakistani customers without any fuss, I don’t care what he thinks about Pakistan and what he thinks about Pakistani people.

Order food, pay money, collect food - that is the extent of my relationship/interaction with him. I couldn’t care less what he thinks about my country, my ethnicity or myself.

Moreover, a lot of these so-called patriotic Pakistanis who are quick to boycott restaurants when their nationality is insulted are the same Pakistanis whose tax money was used by the Canadian government to fund the killings of Muslim in Afghanistan during the WoT.

Boycotting Canada to avoid getting blood of innocent Muslims on their hands was certainly inconvenient but it is far easier and comfortable to boycott one particular restaurant.

 

[El Generico]

No one likes to put with abuse and neither do I, but I also don’t believe in fighting other people’s battles. Since he serves Pakistani customers without any fuss, I don’t care what he thinks about Pakistan and what he thinks about Pakistani people.

Order food, pay money, collect food - that is the extent of my relationship/interaction with him. I couldn’t care less what he thinks about my country, my ethnicity or myself.

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This isn’t about being patriotic because from what I have heard, the people he attacked weren’t even Pakistanis. That dude saw brown skin and jumped to racial abuse so after that even other south asians wouldn’t be comfortable with him around. He could have addressed the customers directly if they were were abusive but he chose to attack an entire community and now has to deal with the backlash. That generally how things work in the world.

Like I said you have the right to your views but those views are in the minority. You may not care if the restaurant owners holds racist view but most people do and that’s not just limited to Pakistanis. If you follow the news, I am sure you would have seen countless examples of restaurants going out of business due to one off racist incidents. You keep making it seem like this reaction is unique to Pakistanis but do you seriously think this would have gone different if the man attacked another community like let say Indians or Blacks instead of Pakistanis ?

The Pakistani-Canadian is pretty small and laid back . I would wager if he had attacked a more organized group like Black, Jews or even Asians the reaction wold have way more intense than this.

 

[El Generico]

I find Pakistanis living overseas have more dignity than traitors like you who live in Pakistan. The owner cowardly said he hates all Pakistanis. Not forgiving him, and will never go to that location ever. Though I like bamiyan, respectable and self respecting Pakistani would boycott that particular branch. I don’t expect you to know anything about self respect or dignity, you have no clue what that is.

This restaurant isn’t Bamiyan Kabab. This one is called Bamyan Afghan Cuisine and I think only have one branch which is London.


I hope people don’t end up boycotting Bamiyan because of the similar name.

 

[Giannis]

It is expected because you cannot expect rational behavior from Pakistani people. Why would you boycott a restaurant (if you like their food) just because of what one person did.

This restaurant must have served Pakistanis a million times with no trouble and this particular guy must have also served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

If I was in Canada and I liked their food, I wouldn’t have any problem with his views on Pakistan and Pakistani people. I am interested in his food, I am not marrying my daughter to him.

Leave it to Pakistani people to go overboard and get excessively emotional and patriotic. These same Pakistani will make a billion excuses if you ask them to forgo their precious Canadian passports and return to Pakistan if they are so patriotic and love the country so much.

Oh wow, I wonder what you think of BLM then

 

[ahmedzee]

This restaurant isn’t Bamiyan Kabab. This one is called Bamyan Afghan Cuisine and I think only have one branch which is London.


I hope people don’t end up boycotting Bamiyan because of the similar name.

Irrespective of that, I will keep going to bamiyan (other branches) even if this was one of the franchise. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[topspin]

If this restaurant has been around for a substantial period of time, it must have served Pakistani customers thousands of times without a fuss.

It is not like every Pakistani that walks into the restaurant gets racially abused and discriminated. If that was the case, this restaurant would be frequently in the news. However, this is literally the first time such an incident has been reported.

If this man is the co-owner it reinforces the fact that he must have served countless Pakistanis without any issues. It is not like he asks people to show them passports every time they walk in and then launches a tirade when he sees a Pakistani passport.

He clearly holds anti-Pakistan views but more importantly, he was provoked. His reaction is not justified by the provocation but the point is that he doesn’t abuse every Pakistani that comes to his restaurant.

There is clearly a backstory to this and he had a heated argument with the customers which then spilled over to the point where he lost it and started abusing Pakistan, and that is when the customers decided to film him.

As a result, there is absolutely no reason to boycott his restaurant just because he holds anti-Pakistan views and lost his temper once because of some argument/problem with one group of customers.

No one likes to put with abuse and neither do I, but I also don’t believe in fighting other people’s battles. Since he serves Pakistani customers without any fuss, I don’t care what he thinks about Pakistan and what he thinks about Pakistani people.

Order food, pay money, collect food - that is the extent of my relationship/interaction with him. I couldn’t care less what he thinks about my country, my ethnicity or myself.

Moreover, a lot of these so-called patriotic Pakistanis who are quick to boycott restaurants when their nationality is insulted are the same Pakistanis whose tax money was used by the Canadian government to fund the killings of Muslim in Afghanistan during the WoT.

Boycotting Canada to avoid getting blood of innocent Muslims on their hands was certainly inconvenient but it is far easier and comfortable to boycott one particular restaurant.

Yeah it seems like it. According to the other co-owner, who wasn't involved in the incident, the customers had threatened his business partner with violence before the recording had begun.

 

[MenInG]

Yeah it seems like it. According to the other co-owner, who wasn't involved in the incident, the customers had threatened his business partner with violence before the recording had begun.

I find that most plausible.

 

[Mamoon]

This isn’t about being patriotic because from what I have heard, the people he attacked weren’t even Pakistanis. That dude saw brown skin and jumped to racial abuse so after that even other south asians wouldn’t be comfortable with him around. He could have addressed the customers directly if they were were abusive but he chose to attack an entire community and now has to deal with the backlash. That generally how things work in the world.

Like I said you have the right to your views but those views are in the minority. You may not care if the restaurant owners holds racist view but most people do and that’s not just limited to Pakistanis. If you follow the news, I am sure you would have seen countless examples of restaurants going out of business due to one off racist incidents. You keep making it seem like this reaction is unique to Pakistanis but do you seriously think this would have gone different if the man attacked another community like let say Indians or Blacks instead of Pakistanis ?

The Pakistani-Canadian is pretty small and laid back . I would wager if he had attacked a more organized group like Black, Jews or even Asians the reaction wold have way more intense than this.

Convenient hypocrites are everywhere. It is not just Pakistanis. You will see such examples in the BLM propaganda as well.

I singled out Pakistanis because this incident is related to them. People only boycott stuff and play the dignity and self-respect cards when it is convenient for them.

It is convenient for Canadian Pakistanis to not go to a particular restaurant but it was not convenient to leave Canada when they were killing Muslims in Afghanistan on their tax money, and then these people give lectures on self-respect and dignity.

Again, this restaurant and this owner must have served thousands of Pakistani/Asian customers before and if such incidents happened in the past it would have made the news.

This was clearly a one-off and that does not justify a boycott.

Joe Biden hates Muslims as well. He is a neocon puppet and pressurized Bush to invade Iraq which led to the death and destabilization of millions of Muslims in the Middle-East.

However, American Pakistanis will pat Canadian Pakistanis on the back for boycotting this restaurant but will not boycott America.

Why? It is the magic C word again: “convenience”.

 

[gani999]

It is expected because you cannot expect rational behavior from Pakistani people. Why would you boycott a restaurant (if you like their food) just because of what one person did.

This restaurant must have served Pakistanis a million times with no trouble and this particular guy must have also served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

If I was in Canada and I liked their food, I wouldn’t have any problem with his views on Pakistan and Pakistani people. I am interested in his food, I am not marrying my daughter to him.

Leave it to Pakistani people to go overboard and get excessively emotional and patriotic. These same Pakistani will make a billion excuses if you ask them to forgo their precious Canadian passports and return to Pakistan if they are so patriotic and love the country so much.

I must respectfully disagree. If a restaurant worker insulted my country and his manager did not do anything about it, I too would boycott them, even if I liked their food.

The chap may have had problems with a few Pakistanis but there's no need to bring whole countries into it. Not all Pakistanis are bad.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yeah it seems like it. According to the other co-owner, who wasn't involved in the incident, the customers had threatened his business partner with violence before the recording had begun.

If he wants us to believe that, he should give more information. Why would a customer threaten staff with violence? Everyone is saying there must be some reason why this guy blew a fuse, but it's all speculation. He certainly wouldn't have been kicked out of the business if that was the case.

 

[RickyG]

So one random, barely minimum wage guy who's probably got a ton of issues has an outburst which may or may not have been caused due to these gyals haranguing him or being a nuisance and it's a diplomatic incident?. Wah. E kya.

Considering he is the co-owner he should’ve paid himself more then. Or maybe if he didn’t racially discriminate when serving people at his restaurants he would actually make a profit.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

This isn’t about being patriotic because from what I have heard, the people he attacked weren’t even Pakistanis.

Right .. so he abuses Pakistan at random but the people weren't Pakistanis:/. Sure. Not nefarious people looking to create further divisions between two groups where friction exists, then.

If he's the owner, there's most certainly more than meets the recording

 

[TSA321]

Right .. so he abuses Pakistan at random but the people weren't Pakistanis:/. Sure. Not nefarious people looking to create further divisions between two groups where friction exists, then.

The people who posted it on Instagram literally said they're not Pakistani. Just curious, why so eager to defend the racist ****?

If he's the owner, there's most certainly more than meets the recording

Any proof, or is it just what you wish happened?

 

[moghul]

So one random, barely minimum wage guy who's probably got a ton of issues has an outburst which may or may not have been caused due to these gyals haranguing him or being a nuisance and it's a diplomatic incident?. Wah. E kya.

Get the whole story before defending your countryman, he is co-owner of the restaurant.

 

[moghul]

Pakistanis have started boycotting that resteraunt and the resteraunt owners are feeling the pinch, hence they put out this late apology.

Is that it, that's all they could do ? Drag the idiot to the court, let him face the music.

 

[ahmedzee]

To all those defending the co-owner, just dig deeper and check out the reviews on google:
Let me give some quotes:

2 months ago:

"terrible customer service. the owner is rude and doesn't know how to talk without temper which shows how the business is run. During COVID times you would think they would treat customers nice but clearly they don't care. Owner should try anger management classes."

6 months ago:

"I Always found this place to be with Lovely service lovely staff lovely food BUT OUR EXPERIENCE THIS TIME WAS RIDICULOUS. THE PERSON WHO I THINK IS THE OWNER (BY HIS ATTITUDE) ASSUMED THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HIM AND HE REFUSED TO SERVE A LOYAL CUSTOMER AS WELL AS ASKED US TO GET OUT OF HIS BUSINESS USING FOUL LANGUANGE. IF HE IS THE OWNER I FEEL PITY ON HIS BUSINESS. RUDE AS HELL. THREATNING AND PASSING IRRELEVANT COMMENTS TOWARDS SOMEONES RACE. HAD TO CHANGE MY RATING FROM 5 STAR TO 1."

A year ago:

"I ordered kebab in wrap at this restaurant. The guy who told me that he is the owner of the restaurant, attempted to prepare the wrap without wearing gloves after he served other customers in cashier and cleaned the bench with a paper towel. He didn't wash his hands. When I asked him to wear on gloves, he responded very rudely and argued with me for 15 minutes. He is very rude and liar. He told me that he washed his hands, but he didn't. Other customers witnessed too. Never go this place. I strongly prefer to give any stars for it."

10 months ago:

"WORST CUSTOMER SERVICE!!! I had been ordering online until one day I had to talk to them and then I realized how pathetic they were! They sent me something different than what I had ordered even though the order clearly indicated the dish name. What they sent me was also few dollars less. When I called to inquire, the guy I talked to was extremely rude! Instead of paying attention to what was ordered, he just assumed that I wanted something different. No sorry/apology. He was confrontational from the very beginning. Of course there was no refund of the extra dollars I had paid. When I asked about it, he was bothered by it and said that those few extra dollars were not a big deal (basically he had hoped I wouldn't care/ask). When I asked that he should not make an assumption on an order next time, he got angry and said that I should not order food from them next time. WOW! I asked if he really meant that and he goes YES dont order from here anymore. Never ever in my life have I come across such customer service!"


So, do you guys see something common in all of this and the incident? "Owner being rude" and "confrontational". There is nothing a customer can do for which the co-owner has to be racist and use a knife. PERIOD!

I rest my case!

 

[El Generico]

If a restaurant owner hurled racist insults at my nationality, I would avoid the restaurant like a plague.

Not because I'm uber nationalistic or anything, but the bloke's going to be handling my food and you never know what he's going to put in the food out of vengeance.

Same, I wouldn’t be comfortable at all with a guy who supposedly hates me handling my food or drink.

 

[Suleiman]

I must respectfully disagree. If a restaurant worker insulted my country and his manager did not do anything about it, I too would boycott them, even if I liked their food.

The chap may have had problems with a few Pakistanis but there's no need to bring whole countries into it. Not all Pakistanis are bad.

Yep, came to say the same. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is a good poster and his criticisms of Pakistan and its cricket have merit at times, but sometimes he falls into a narrative just for the sake of it.

Customer service is a thing. If you can’t treat a customer with respect then ofc they won’t feel comfortable to show up at the restaurant again, no matter how good the food is.

With this particular incident. I don’t know the backstory, so I don’t know how many people were involved or what transpired before the filming of the video, so I withhold saying anything there. Having said that, pretty poor display by this gentleman if this was unprovoked (and p racist regardless)

 

[Mamoon]

Lol and you have no qualms paying taxes in Pakistan for the likes of the Sharif's, Zardari's to buy Palaces in the UK, New York, Switzerland, France. Your Morality is horrendously selective and deeply badniyat

Yes I don’t. I don’t advertise my morality because I don’t consider myself to be very high on the morality scale.

I don’t care where my tax money goes and I try to do the right thing only if it does not hurt me, my family and the people I care about.

That makes me no different to you and everyone else who do bhangra over their morality and how patriotic, honorable and dignified they are.

The reality is that everyone’s a hypocrite with double-standards because our morality has a threshold. We act moral when it is convenient and justify our immorality when we need to.

That is why there is no need of giving lectures on morality to other people. Those who do will be called out on their hypocrisy.

 

[Mamoon]

I must respectfully disagree. If a restaurant worker insulted my country and his manager did not do anything about it, I too would boycott them, even if I liked their food.

The chap may have had problems with a few Pakistanis but there's no need to bring whole countries into it. Not all Pakistanis are bad.

Yep, came to say the same. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is a good poster and his criticisms of Pakistan and its cricket have merit at times, but sometimes he falls into a narrative just for the sake of it.

Customer service is a thing. If you can’t treat a customer with respect then ofc they won’t feel comfortable to show up at the restaurant again, no matter how good the food is.

With this particular incident. I don’t know the backstory, so I don’t know how many people were involved or what transpired before the filming of the video, so I withhold saying anything there. Having said that, pretty poor display by this gentleman if this was unprovoked (and p racist regardless)

Personally, I don’t care if a business insults my country as long as I am personally not insulted. When I say personally, it includes my family.

If I am personally insulted and abused I will not do business with them.

The reason why I don’t believe this boycott is justified is because this is not a recurring incident. This restaurant and this owner must have served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

That shows that he has the capacity to be professional and not let his hatred for Pakistan get in the way apart from this particular incident of course.

The real catch is the hypothetical situation where I like their food. If I didn’t like their food, maybe I would also do a convenient boycott and then pretend that I am looking after the dignity and honor of my country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Personally, I don’t care if a business insults my country as long as I am personally not insulted. When I say personally, it includes my family.

If I am personally insulted and abused I will not do business with them.

The reason why I don’t believe this boycott is justified is because this is not a recurring incident. This restaurant and this owner must have served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

That shows that he has the capacity to be professional and not let his hatred for Pakistan get in the way apart from this particular incident of course.

The real catch is the hypothetical situation where I like their food. If I didn’t like their food, maybe I would also do a convenient boycott and then pretend that I am looking after the dignity and honor of my country.

It doesn't show that at all, just shows that he wants to make some money and his customers are Pakistanis or Indians. He could be spitting in the food before sending it out for all we know. Now that it is clear what his views are, most people would be much more wary of buying food from there. Other reviews of the establishment show it is quite clearly not a one off as you are still falsely presenting.

 

[Slog]

Even the BLM protests here didn't have the same passion here as they did in America.

Ummm why would they?

You have less black people than desis in Canada? There’s not enough people to protests on a large scale.

And they don’t have a history of slavery I’m guessing.

 

[finalfantasy7]

Personally, I don’t care if a business insults my country as long as I am personally not insulted. When I say personally, it includes my family.

If I am personally insulted and abused I will not do business with them.

The reason why I don’t believe this boycott is justified is because this is not a recurring incident. This restaurant and this owner must have served thousands of Pakistanis with no problem.

That shows that he has the capacity to be professional and not let his hatred for Pakistan get in the way apart from this particular incident of course.

The real catch is the hypothetical situation where I like their food. If I didn’t like their food, maybe I would also do a convenient boycott and then pretend that I am looking after the dignity and honor of my country.

Ur going away from the original post.

The waiter did insult the customer by calling them p word.

what we can say is the video obviously didn't show the whole incident, and i would like to know the waiter version of this incident,

I dont believe that the customer just walked in and about to order and the waiter did what the small clip showed.

 

[mustang]

I'm not sure if you can call it racism or colorism. But there's a general tendency to look down upon people with a darker shade in south asia. The darker your shade is, the more likelihood there is of you being looked down upon due to the rampant colorism in the subcontinent. It's why the Afghans tend to look down on the Pakistanis, who in turn look down on the Bangladeshis and Indians, and even in India, the north Indians tend to look down on the south Indians. And you can be pretty sure that, south asians, no matter from which country or region, are universally racist against blacks in general. It doesn't matter if you belong to a region with much better social development indicators, at the end of the day, people tend to take the skin complexion way too seriously in south asia. If it was purely based on social development, the Sri Lankans would have to look down on south Indians and Bangladeshis, who in turn can look down on north Indians, who in turn on the Pakistanis, who themselves can look down on the Afghans for the state of their country.

But that's a common phenomenon in the subcontinent and not the only reason, or even the main reason why the Afghans have negative sentiments towards the Pakistanis. One reason is that there is a history of bad blood between Afghans and Punjabis during the Ranjit Singh era when they had a lot of run ins with each other. The Afghans hence often use the Ranjit Singh slur word for Pak Punjabis even though the latter have no affiliation with Ranjit Singh emotionally, as compared to say the Indian Sikh Punjabis.

Another reason is due to a far more recent event. I was reading a book about the Soviet Afghan war once and remember reading an interesting anecdote in the book. When the Taliban were taking over the country, many of the militia were allegedly made up of members from the Pakistani Punjab region who spoke a language that wasn't understood by the local Pashtuns and Tajiks in Afghanistan and that was supposedly when a deep seated resentment for the "foreigner" Punjabis began to arise among the local Afghans. The tussle between Afghanistan and Pakistan goes back a long way and it's not a black and white issue where one party is good and the other is bad. But I remember reading about the reason behind a negative sentiment towards the Pakistanis, particularly Punjabis, among the local Afghans in that particular book (can't remember the name of it).

There is certainly a feeling among at least some Afghans that Pakistan is currently occupying regions that historical belonged to Afghanistan once, something that they call the "greater Pashtunistan", nevermind the people in KPK and FATA regions don't reciprocate the same feelings to be a part of Afghanistan. It's why I think Afghanistan refused to recognise Pakistan initially after independence if I'm correct.

THIS!

I feel like I come across a post with good intuition very occasionally in this forum and this is one of those. Spot on observations about South Asian demographics in general. You can see similar lighter skin obsession among latin american communities and maybe among Arab/Persians (not sure and I could be wrong) but definitely not to the extent and pervasiveness as among South Asians.

Big shout out to [MENTION=151956]Bigboii[/MENTION] as well. Completely agree with your points about how various South Asian communities stereotype fairer skin (fairer relative to their own groups) as the more rugged masculine types. This entire thing is ** stemming from deep seater inferiority complex from among the South Asian communities.

 

[Suleiman]

I don’t know if this restaurant is of the franchise known as Bamyan or its own thing, but I did go to a Bamyan in Ontario more than 10 years ago. Pretty good food actually, was also run by Afghans, but they were friendly. It was about an hour and a half from Scarborough.

 

[topspin]

If he wants us to believe that, he should give more information. Why would a customer threaten staff with violence? Everyone is saying there must be some reason why this guy blew a fuse, but it's all speculation. He certainly wouldn't have been kicked out of the business if that was the case.

Just seen this so apologies for the late response.

The restaurant has been successfully serving numerous Pakistani customers with good food so I find it hard to believe the waiter was the aggressor here.

 

[Savak]

Just seen this so apologies for the late response.

The restaurant has been successfully serving numerous Pakistani customers with good food so I find it hard to believe the waiter was the aggressor here.

Did you read the numerous number of complaints about the resteraunt on Google? There is a pattern here

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Just seen this so apologies for the late response.

The restaurant has been successfully serving numerous Pakistani customers with good food so I find it hard to believe the waiter was the aggressor here.

The guy has been sacked, nothing to stop him from giving his own version of events if he really feels he was hard done by. I think the only reason he is keeping his head down is because there was no excuse for his behaviour. Bad enough that he was using abusive language to a customer even disregarding the racist element.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] What a delusional few paragraphs from you. The guy used a direct slur aimed to abuse and attack Pakistanis in the West and you are saying Pakistanis are overreacting by complaining about this guys conduct and boycotting the restaraunt and making a bizarre comparison with paying taxes . If the guy had used the N Word his restaraunt would probably have been burnt down or bricked. The guy is lucky it was only a boycott if it was in the UK the guy would have got similar treatment. Hes lucky Canadian Pakistanis are more well behaved. This is the only time on camera hes been caught using a racial slur of course he isnt going to abuse every single Pakistani customer he gets cos that would get your business shut down very quickly.

But u only need to use a racial slur once for your reputation to be in tatters if u would still go back to a restaraunt where the owner or manager hates Pakistanis n u know this then by all means do that. Most people arent that shameless to go to a restaraunt when the management has publicly been recorded using a slur against their nationality or ethnic group

 

[moghul]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] What a delusional few paragraphs from you. The guy used a direct slur aimed to abuse and attack Pakistanis in the West and you are saying Pakistanis are overreacting by complaining about this guys conduct and boycotting the restaraunt and making a bizarre comparison with paying taxes . If the guy had used the N Word his restaraunt would probably have been burnt down or bricked. The guy is lucky it was only a boycott if it was in the UK the guy would have got similar treatment. Hes lucky Canadian Pakistanis are more well behaved. This is the only time on camera hes been caught using a racial slur of course he isnt going to abuse every single Pakistani customer he gets cos that would get your business shut down very quickly.

But u only need to use a racial slur once for your reputation to be in tatters if u would still go back to a restaraunt where the owner or manager hates Pakistanis n u know this then by all means do that. Most people arent that shameless to go to a restaraunt when the management has publicly been recorded using a slur against their nationality or ethnic group

I would say he was lucky that Pakistani over there proved to be spineless and gutless , did not bother to use legal options they possess, I'm really disappointed.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

But that's a common phenomenon in the subcontinent and not the only reason, or even the main reason why the Afghans have negative sentiments towards the Pakistanis. One reason is that there is a history of bad blood between Afghans and Punjabis during the Ranjit Singh era when they had a lot of run ins with each other. The Afghans hence often use the Ranjit Singh slur word for Pak Punjabis even though the latter have no affiliation with Ranjit Singh emotionally, as compared to say the Indian Sikh Punjabis.

Another reason is due to a far more recent event. I was reading a book about the Soviet Afghan war once and remember reading an interesting anecdote in the book. When the Taliban were taking over the country, many of the militia were allegedly made up of members from the Pakistani Punjab region who spoke a language that wasn't understood by the local Pashtuns and Tajiks in Afghanistan and that was supposedly when a deep seated resentment for the "foreigner" Punjabis began to arise among the local Afghans. The tussle between Afghanistan and Pakistan goes back a long way and it's not a black and white issue where one party is good and the other is bad. But I remember reading about the reason behind a negative sentiment towards the Pakistanis, particularly Punjabis, among the local Afghans in that particular book (can't remember the name of it).

There is certainly a feeling among at least some Afghans that Pakistan is currently occupying regions that historical belonged to Afghanistan once, something that they call the "greater Pashtunistan", nevermind the people in KPK and FATA regions don't reciprocate the same feelings to be a part of Afghanistan. It's why I think Afghanistan refused to recognise Pakistan initially after independence if I'm correct.

Afghan is historically synonymous with the Pashtun people. So as Afghanistan is named after their largest ethnic group, people in Afghanistan see Pakistan synonymous with Punjabi. So this is the reason that they Punjabis and Pakistanis interchangeably.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

solated incidents like these shouldn't be used to direct hate against the Afghan people. There is already a lot of mistrust between both nations mainly due to social media and our enemies have tried to exploit that.

On a side note, Pakistan should give citizenship to Afghan refugees instead of sending them back. I know some Afghan students from my university who were born and raised here but have to relocate now in Afghanistan. For me they were as much Pakistani as any other. Furthermore, Afghanis are usually hardworking, action oriented individuals who, with little guidance can be an asset for our country. Decades of war may have effected their psyche. We should be more considerate towards them because after all, they are our Muslim brothers !

They should. Imran Khan promised to do so, however he backtracked.

i have seen pletny of Afghans in Karachi who own business, and are assets for the country.

Also per Pakistani law Afghans who are born in Pakistan are eligible for citizenship.


Any person born in Pakistan after the commencement of Pakistan Citizenship Act, 1951 is citizen of Pakistan. Children of foreign diplomats and children of enemy alien born in Pakistan are not included in this category. Persons, who migrated from territories of Pakistan to other areas of Indo-Pakistan sub-continent for permanent stay after March, 1947 shall also be not considered citizens of Pakistan.

https://dgip.gov.pk/files/Immigration.aspx#:~:text=Citizen by Birth:,1951 is citizen of Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

You don’t need to write long essays when I have already made my position clear on this matter. As I said before, I don’t care if someone insults my country as long as I am not personally insulted.

I don’t take insult of my country personally. So if I lived in Canada and I liked their food, I would still do business with this restaurant irrespective of their views on Pakistanis.

I don’t have a personal relationship with him and it is purely professional, i.e. order food and pay money. As a result, I don’t care about their views that have nothing to do with ordering food.

You can call me shameless if you wish, but this is my view. Also, I think Pakistanis living in the west who fund the killings of Muslims by giving their tax money to their anti-Muslim governments are much more shameless than those who don’t believe in boycotting a restaurant that holds anti-Pakistan sentiment.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you were acting like Pakistanis were unique in getting offended over something like this when all ethnic minorities would be offended and ourtraged over an outburst like this.

Was this guy criticising Pakistan as a country or was he directing a slur at Pakistanis.

If someone says I Hate P***s they are disliking you merely because of your nationality and heritage .

If someone hates u simply cos u are Pakistani why would u then give them the opportunity to profit off you and get your hard earned money when theres loads of other options out there.

Bizarre ghulami attitude

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

You don’t need to write long essays when I have already made my position clear on this matter. As I said before, I don’t care if someone insults my country as long as I am not personally insulted.

I don’t take insult of my country personally. So if I lived in Canada and I liked their food, I would still do business with this restaurant irrespective of their views on Pakistanis.

I don’t have a personal relationship with him and it is purely professional, i.e. order food and pay money. As a result, I don’t care about their views that have nothing to do with ordering food.

You can call me shameless if you wish, but this is my view. Also, I think Pakistanis living in the west who fund the killings of Muslims by giving their tax money to their anti-Muslim governments are much more shameless than those who don’t believe in boycotting a restaurant that holds anti-Pakistan sentiment.

You yourself hod ant-Pakistani views so not that surprising you wouldn't find his views offensive.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you were acting like Pakistanis were unique in getting offended over something like this when all ethnic minorities would be offended and ourtraged over an outburst like this.

Was this guy criticising Pakistan as a country or was he directing a slur at Pakistanis.

If someone says I Hate P***s they are disliking you merely because of your nationality and heritage .

If someone hates u simply cos u are Pakistani why would u then give them the opportunity to profit off you and get your hard earned money when theres loads of other options out there.

Bizarre ghulami attitude

Because I couldn’t give a rat’s behind if he hates me or loves me. I am not marrying my daughter to him; I am just buying food from him.

If I like his food, I don’t have a problem with him making money from me regardless of how he feels about my nationality.

As long as I am not personally abused, I will not have any qualms in doing business with him.

Abusing Pakistan or Pakistanis is not personal for me.

Real ghulami attitude is Pakistanis in the west funding the killings of Muslims with their tax money because they worship their western passports.

 

[Mamoon]

You yourself hod ant-Pakistani views so not that surprising you wouldn't find his views offensive.

Holding anti-Pakistani views and abusing a bunch of customers are not the same. I don’t condone his abuse but I don’t believe in fighting other people’s battle either.

So if I lived in Canada and I liked their food, I would do business with them as long as I am not personally abused or offended.

Whether someone insults my country or my countrymen is not my problem.

 

[Giannis]

Holding anti-Pakistani views and abusing a bunch of customers are not the same. I don’t condone his abuse but I don’t believe in fighting other people’s battle either.

So if I lived in Canada and I liked their food, I would do business with them as long as I am not personally abused or offended.

Whether someone insults my country or my countrymen is not my problem.

yeah wait until he poisons your food when he founds out about your nationality.

 

[junoon]

Trust me, such incidents have happened before, I've seen fights between Indians and Pakistanis

Where were these fights? At a cricket match, school/university, or workplace?

 

[Mamoon]

yeah wait until he poisons your food when he founds out about your nationality.

If that is what he does thousands of Pakistanis must have died due to poising in that area.

 

[Kroll]

Nah man, racism is not acceptable no matter how you dress it up. Such slime need to be taken to task.

 

[El Generico]

If that is what he does thousands of Pakistanis must have died due to poising in that area.

Could have easily spat in it or put some other disgusting thing in it without anyone ever knowing . It is way too risky to get food from someone that hates you.

 

[Mamoon]

Could have easily spat in it or put some other disgusting thing in it without anyone ever knowing . It is way too risky to get food from someone that hates you.

If people are paranoid about hygiene, they should never eat out anyway. If people could actually take a peek into what happens in the kitchens of even some top-end restaurants, they would not touch their food half the time.

Hygiene is not a priority for any restaurant that is serving 100s of customers every hour, which basically means most of them. Street-vendors get a bad rep, but these so-called proper restaurants are hardly better.

Moreover, whiny customers who are always moaning about how their food is bland or cold and return it to the kitchen are definitely getting the spit treatment.

 

[Bigboii]

If people are paranoid about hygiene, they should never eat out anyway. If people could actually take a peek into what happens in the kitchens of even some top-end restaurants, they would not touch their food half the time.

Hygiene is not a priority for any restaurant that is serving 100s of customers every hour, which basically means most of them. Street-vendors get a bad rep, but these so-called proper restaurants are hardly better.

Moreover, whiny customers who are always moaning about how their food is bland or cold and return it to the kitchen are definitely getting the spit treatment.

when the guy knows you are a Pakistani he'll likely give you the spit treatment even before you doing anything to offend the guy... but I guess the taste is worth it

(and many other treatment that restaurant workers give that I would rather not go into for your own sanity)

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

when the guy knows you are a Pakistani he'll likely give you the spit treatment even before you doing anything to offend the guy... but I guess the taste is worth it

(and many other treatment that restaurant workers give that I would rather not go into for your own sanity)

Any card carrying self-hating Pakistani would probably enjoy the experience, relishing every mouthful of Pak abusive food.

 

[King-Misbah]

Holding anti-Pakistani views and abusing a bunch of customers are not the same. I don’t condone his abuse but I don’t believe in fighting other people’s battle either.

So if I lived in Canada and I liked their food, I would do business with them as long as I am not personally abused or offended.

Whether someone insults my country or my countrymen is not my problem.

Yes, for people like you, it is always about me,me and me. The country can go to hell.