[VIDEO] Are PTI office-bearers being coerced to leave PTI?

[MenInG]

This is what IK alluded to:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1661023395776188418

and this is what BBC correspondent is saying too - must listen - if true, we are really in a dark place in Pakistan's history

https://twitter.com/x/status/1662372872516698112

 

[MenInG]

In case you don't have time to watch this video:

What's behind the mass exodus of senior figures from Imran Khan's party?

I spoke to a number of politicians who have publicly quit:

Asked one if a carrot or stick was used?

"It was all stick"

They said there were threats to disappear them & references to their family's safety

 

[saeedhk]

There is no doubt. I think this should not be even a question! The whole of Pakistan knows that PTI leaders are intimidated, threatened and abused and subjected to horrible levels of violence to change their loyalties.

 

[Sher Khan]

My problem with PTI is, that they stand for nothing. If you are true to your cause, then it doesn't affect you whatever kind of pressure is applied to you.

I know of quite a few PML-N politicians who endured way worse trials and times than what these PTI politicians are facing right now. The difference is that those same politicians are in important positions at the federal government, while these PTI nobodies are quitting one after the other.

 

[MenInG]

My problem with PTI is, that they stand for nothing. If you are true to your cause, then it doesn't affect you whatever kind of pressure is applied to you.

I know of quite a few PML-N politicians who endured way worse trials and times than what these PTI politicians are facing right now. The difference is that those same politicians are in important positions at the federal government, while these PTI nobodies are quitting one after the other.

But bro

"They said there were threats to disappear them & references to their family's safety"

If I was threatened like that, I would leave too.

 

[AAli98]

I think we all know now don’t mess with Pak army.. India’s army is X7 larger but dare not cross the line.

IK took em on still not sure if it was for the betterment of the country or to get back into power!!

 

[Sher Khan]

But bro

"They said there were threats to disappear them & references to their family's safety"

If I was threatened like that, I would leave too.

Correct. I would leave too. This is why people like me and you are just "normal" people who want to live life for ourselves and our families.

Politicians are different. They are their to bring change. Think about it, if threats like that are enough to stop them from their politics. How can we expect change in the country? The powers that be could just imprison every single politician that rises up for change and just threaten them in that manner and get them to back off.

Mandela spent decades in prison. Ultimately, his sacrifice bore fruit. We expect sacrifices in a similar manner from our politicians.

 

[MenInG]

The current pattern

1. Court declares detention illegal
2. Person holds a presser and resigns.

How obvious can this be?

 

[IMMY69]

The current pattern

1. Court declares detention illegal
2. Person holds a presser and resigns.

How obvious can this be?

This is my suspicion too.

But it's not even the fact that the army snd the current crooks have stooped so low, this doesn't surprise me as they're cornered rats...
No the thing that really surprises me are the people who are actually backing them and gloating about it. That to me is truly shocking.

 

[MenInG]

Correct. I would leave too. This is why people like me and you are just "normal" people who want to live life for ourselves and our families.

Politicians are different. They are their to bring change. Think about it, if threats like that are enough to stop them from their politics. How can we expect change in the country? The powers that be could just imprison every single politician that rises up for change and just threaten them in that manner and get them to back off.

Mandela spent decades in prison. Ultimately, his sacrifice bore fruit. We expect sacrifices in a similar manner from our politicians.

I have to agree with you.

But then I don't know what is being said to them

 

[MenInG]

And now this

 

[saeedhk]

I have to agree with you.

But then I don't know what is being said to them

PTI leaders are being told that if they don’t defect, their sisters or wives would be kidnapped, made to strip and videotaped. Then, the video would be made public.

 

[happydavy]

Although in Pakistan cricket and in politics, none is ever permanently out but seems like for the time being IK won't be winning the next elections afterall. The kind of pressure Pakistan army has created on PTI is kinda unheard of. IK just had to bide his time for a few years until the Army decides to dump the Sharifs and he will be back in business. And that also won't last forever but for a couple of years. The same timeless loop.

 

[happydavy]

PTI leaders are being told that if they don’t defect, their sisters or wives would be kidnapped, made to strip and videotaped. Then, the video would be made public.

Sounds complete speculation. Battle hardened politicians usually don't worry about such threats. One thing politician fear more than anything is going to jail and loosing relevance. So i am sure army would have enough information about each of them to either remind them about evidences of corruption or create one and threaten them with jail time.

 

[saeedhk]

Sounds complete speculation. Battle hardened politicians usually don't worry about such threats. One thing politician fear more than anything is going to jail and loosing relevance. So i am sure army would have enough information about each of them to either remind them about evidences of corruption or create one and threaten them with jail time.

A PTI sobbed and told everyone in a press conference that he was told this by the military.

 

[Sher Khan]

I've never hidden the fact that I'm a staunch PML-N supporter. Despite this, I'm extremely unhappy with the PTI politicians that have "forcedly" had to leave the party.

PTI like all other parties deserves the right to field strong candidates and contest in elections.

It will be extremely unfair if a weakened PTI party turns up for the general elections. The citizens should be in charge of who they want running the country.

If it is PTI. I will be more than happy to accept them.

 

[IMMY69]

I've never hidden the fact that I'm a staunch PML-N supporter. Despite this, I'm extremely unhappy with the PTI politicians that have "forcedly" had to leave the party.

PTI like all other parties deserves the right to field strong candidates and contest in elections.

It will be extremely unfair if a weakened PTI party turns up for the general elections. The citizens should be in charge of who they want running the country.

If it is PTI. I will be more than happy to accept them.

Serious question.
Are you also in favour of military dictatorships?
Were you a fan of Zia Ul Hap?

 

[SalimBhai]

What the army is doing is shameful . And I will be the first one to leave if pressured. . But these are politicians . They did not put much of a fight. Makes you wonder the inner strength of zardari who was tortured and stayed in jail for many years. Or was it that they did. It give him a choice? He had to stay in jail? Not a ppp fan btw

 

[Sher Khan]

Serious question.
Are you also in favour of military dictatorships?
Were you a fan of Zia Ul Hap?

I'm too young to have seen Zia's tenure. But according to my family he was a magnificent leader.

In general, I'm not in favour of a military's role in politics.

 

[SM1989]

And now this

As they say in urdu “jaisee karni waise bharni” - PTI wouldn’t shut up about their “imported hukoomat” rhetoric, now its time for them to face the same.

 

[Major]

I'm too young to have seen Zia's tenure. But according to my family he was a magnificent leader.

In general, I'm not in favour of a military's role in politics.

magnificent?

no wonder you support pmln.

 

[IMMY69]

I'm too young to have seen Zia's tenure. But according to my family he was a magnificent leader.

In general, I'm not in favour of a military's role in politics.

Ok well I can remember as I'm old enough.
Democracy was non existent and investment into schools, hospitals and infrastructure was minimal.

It was also the period when Pakistan began its proxy war for the USA against the Russians, the creation of Taliban etc.

Billions of dollars were given to the army and it was largely siphoned away.

Now you say that you're a staunch PML-N supporter, but it was the military that brought him into power and that too as a Finance Minister.

 

[IMMY69]

As they say in urdu “jaisee karni waise bharni” - PTI wouldn’t shut up about their “imported hukoomat” rhetoric, now its time for them to face the same.

False equivalence.

 

[Sher Khan]

Ok well I can remember as I'm old enough.
Democracy was non existent and investment into schools, hospitals and infrastructure was minimal.

It was also the period when Pakistan began its proxy war for the USA against the Russians, the creation of Taliban etc.

Billions of dollars were given to the army and it was largely siphoned away.

Now you say that you're a staunch PML-N supporter, but it was the military that brought him into power and that too as a Finance Minister.

As they say, it's all good as long as the right man gets the right job.

 

[IMMY69]

What the army is doing is shameful . And I will be the first one to leave if pressured. . But these are politicians . They did not put much of a fight. Makes you wonder the inner strength of zardari who was tortured and stayed in jail for many years. Or was it that they did. It give him a choice? He had to stay in jail? Not a ppp fan btw

Let's take an extreme example.
In any country that has experienced turmoil and there have been freedom fighters that have risen from the ashes. How many do you remember? Nelson Mandela being the obvious and most recent example.

No one talks about his party members and their jailing.

Only a few stand tall in the face of extreme violence, persecution and when their mothers, wives and daughters are threatened. So with what is going on right now seeing members defect is text book and expected.

The end will be when IK gives up.

 

[IMMY69]

As they say, it's all good as long as the right man gets the right job.

Sorry but how is this statement related to my point?

I was a PPP supporter but I changed my views after educating myself and seeing first hand which direction Pakistan was heading .

The right man? There isn't one, it's about the long term. Democracy, education, health and welfare of the poor people of Pakistsn. If someone stands up for them, whoever it is, they'll get my support.

But I don't understand how people can support people or parties that have failed to deliver for the poor across decades and have proven to steal from the country.

 

[Sher Khan]

Sorry but how is this statement related to my point?

I was a PPP supporter but I changed my views after educating myself and seeing first hand which direction Pakistan was heading .

The right man? There isn't one, it's about the long term. Democracy, education, health and welfare of the poor people of Pakistsn. If someone stands up for them, whoever it is, they'll get my support.

But I don't understand how people can support people or parties that have failed to deliver for the poor across decades and have proven to steal from the country.

I agree, PPP has failed to deliver for the country.

 

[SM1989]

False equivalence.

Not really the whole “imported” foreign conspiracy narrative was a lie that IK later backtracked from.

The existing set up is now giving them a taste of their own medicine. The PTI mob has shown that they are ready to burn the institutions and entire country to the ground to make their leader PM. IK has become bigger than the country for them. Therefore they can rightfully be construed as traitors.

 

[JaDed]

Politics is all about compromising but compromising with a ruler is not compromising but being subservient esp when the ruler is in the wrong.

 

[Stewie]

Correct. I would leave too. This is why people like me and you are just "normal" people who want to live life for ourselves and our families.

Politicians are different. They are their to bring change. Think about it, if threats like that are enough to stop them from their politics. How can we expect change in the country? The powers that be could just imprison every single politician that rises up for change and just threaten them in that manner and get them to back off.

Mandela spent decades in prison. Ultimately, his sacrifice bore fruit. We expect sacrifices in a similar manner from our politicians.

What are your thoughts then on NS living in UK all these years?

 

[from_da_lost_dim3nsion]

Is water wet ?

 

[Stewie]

We are a joke of a nation outside Pakistan. Pakistanis living in Pakistan probably don’t recognize and realize this but because of our military mafia, their hold over all our institutions we have a really skewed view of reality and how states should function. I swear to God if someone in a truly democratic country hears about how our courts function and how the nation was denied elections in the mandated 90 days, they would just laugh their heads off.

These coerced resignations are just a continuation of the same fascist policies of our military mafia. This should not even be a question.

 

[moghul]

My problem with PTI is, that they stand for nothing. If you are true to your cause, then it doesn't affect you whatever kind of pressure is applied to you.

I know of quite a few PML-N politicians who endured way worse trials and times than what these PTI politicians are facing right now. The difference is that those same politicians are in important positions at the federal government, while these PTI nobodies are quitting one after the other.

The current establishment has " invented " this new "technique" never used before . Family members of PTI workers/leaders are being threatened and tortured , including women and children , enforcing many to breakdown .

 

[moghul]

We are a joke of a nation outside Pakistan. Pakistanis living in Pakistan probably don’t recognize and realize this but because of our military mafia, their hold over all our institutions we have a really skewed view of reality and how states should function. I swear to God if someone in a truly democratic country hears about how our courts function and how the nation was denied elections in the mandated 90 days, they would just laugh their heads off.

These coerced resignations are just a continuation of the same fascist policies of our military mafia. This should not even be a question.

Pakistan is not a country anymore, its a land illegally occupied by an armed mafia.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Someone told me today that their female family member in Pakistan was abducted by rangers a week ago and her whereabouts are still unknown. This person was slightly involved in PTI but didn't participate in any violence.

I don't support PTI but this is clearly wrong.

 

[Stewie]

Someone told me today that their female family member in Pakistan was abducted by rangers a week ago and her whereabouts are still unknown. This person was slightly involved in PTI but didn't participate in any violence.

I don't support PTI but this is clearly wrong.

Tons of stories like that.

 

[DRsohail]

And now this

 

[moghul]

And now this

If stupidity if the army and PDM think they will change public opinion with this , they will see the reaction whenever elections will be held.

 

[Sher Khan]

What are your thoughts then on NS living in UK all these years?

I will admit that I think Nawaz Sharif is healthy enough to be in Pakistan serving his sentence. The problem with him is, he doesn't believe he has done anything wrong and has no faith in the Pakistani justice system.

The justice system has not been able to prove that he stole taxpayer money or whatever. The above powers wanted him dismissed and they are the ones who signed an agreement with him that he will be sent away from Pakistan.

IF the above powers decide to bring him to justice he will land straight from Avenfield to Adiala. I can assure you that.

 

[SalimBhai]

I will admit that I think Nawaz Sharif is healthy enough to be in Pakistan serving his sentence. The problem with him is, he doesn't believe he has done anything wrong and has no faith in the Pakistani justice system.

The justice system has not been able to prove that he stole taxpayer money or whatever. The above powers wanted him dismissed and they are the ones who signed an agreement with him that he will be sent away from Pakistan.

IF the above powers decide to bring him to justice he will land straight from Avenfield to Adiala. I can assure you that.

Only a fool would think he is innocent

 

[moghul]

They also put on Imran Riaz portrait whom they allegedly have killed in some torture cell, what a shameless and heartless people are PMD.

 

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663780823651188740

 

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665749932114944006

 

[daytrader]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1665943706384441344

 

[MenInG]

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Tuesday issued show-cause notices to the city police chief, chief commissioner, deputy commissioner (DC) and other officials on pleas filed by PTI leaders Shehryar Afridi and Shandana Gulzar Khan against their ongoing detentions under the Maintenance of Public Order (MPO).

Afridi was first arrested on May 16 from his Islamabad residence under Section 3 of the MPO Ordinance, 1960. He was rearrested on May 30 under the same section soon after his release from prison.

 

[WicketLord]

The Islamabad High Court (IHC) on Wednesday suspended PTI leaders Shehryar Afridi and Shandana Gulzar’s arrest warrants under maintenance of public order (MPO) and ordered immediate release, ARY News reported.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former federal minister Usman Dar announced his separation from Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and politics.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Planning of May 9 and targeting of sensitive installations was directed by Imran Khan, Usman Dar

Source: AAJ News

 

[Savak]

PTI and the overall Pakistani Awaam, educated middle class, burger crowd turned out to be real softies in the end.

People in PML N and PPP ultimately stayed loyal to their parties inspite of facing severe crackdowns from Zia ul Haq and later Musharraf.

 

[FPresidential]

PTI and the overall Pakistani Awaam, educated middle class, burger crowd turned out to be real softies in the end.

People in PML N and PPP ultimately stayed loyal to their parties inspite of facing severe crackdowns from Zia ul Haq and later Musharraf.

His mother released a video fully supporting IK after Dar's staged interview.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former Federal Minister Faisal Vawda has claimed that Usman Dar has come forward, Farrukh Habib and Sadaqat Abbasi will also come forward soon.

According to the details, former Federal Minister Faisal Vawda said in a special conversation with ARY News about Usman Dar's statement that Usman Dar had sense but did not have the courage in the beginning, the names he mentioned are 100% correct.

Faisal Vawda said that Usman Dar has forgotten to mention some names, Chairman PTI's own colleagues have drowned him, it is a good move that people are admitting their mistake.

The former federal minister claimed that Farrukh Habib, Sadaqat Abbasi and others will also come forward in the next few days.

He said that a year ago he had said that everyone will tell and give evidence, the gun shot was fired by Khan Sahib, the purpose of the sit-in was to remove the army chief and his purpose was to make his special servant the chief instead of the current chief.

Faisal Vawda further said that he did the same thing for the Chief Justice, the current Chief Justice and the army chief are heroes of the nation, they will not disappoint.

Source: ARY

 

[Bewal Express]

Former Federal Minister Faisal Vawda has claimed that Usman Dar has come forward, Farrukh Habib and Sadaqat Abbasi will also come forward soon.

According to the details, former Federal Minister Faisal Vawda said in a special conversation with ARY News about Usman Dar's statement that Usman Dar had sense but did not have the courage in the beginning, the names he mentioned are 100% correct.

Faisal Vawda said that Usman Dar has forgotten to mention some names, Chairman PTI's own colleagues have drowned him, it is a good move that people are admitting their mistake.

The former federal minister claimed that Farrukh Habib, Sadaqat Abbasi and others will also come forward in the next few days.

He said that a year ago he had said that everyone will tell and give evidence, the gun shot was fired by Khan Sahib, the purpose of the sit-in was to remove the army chief and his purpose was to make his special servant the chief instead of the current chief.

Faisal Vawda further said that he did the same thing for the Chief Justice, the current Chief Justice and the army chief are heroes of the nation, they will not disappoint.

Source: ARY

We got vawda badly wrong. A proper mafia man,placed near IK. Our Security services are so corrupted there is no hope. IK will win any fair elections and if he isn't allowed to compete the country gets no stability because no one believes the Establishment. Another decade wasted by the mafia

 

[FPresidential]

I guess stage being set up to welcome the guy who can't probably spell platelets correctly.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Sadaqat Ali Abbasi quits PTI, blames Imran Khan for May 9 riots

Former parliamentarian Sadaqat Ali Abbasi has become the latest to quit the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) and held the former ruling party’s Chairman Imran Khan for May 9 mayhem — when the party's workers ransacked state installations.

"I announce leaving the PTI, the office of the PTI's North Punjab president, and politics," the former member of the National Assembly (MNA) said during an interview on a private television channel.

"I have no plan of staying in politics anymore," says former MNA

"I announce leaving the PTI, the office of the PTI's North Punjab president, and politics," the former member of the National Assembly (MNA) said during an interview on a private television channel.

"I also fear the law [...] there are a lot of FIRs registered against me. I do have the pressure of facing cases in court. There is no other pressure on me," the ex-PTI leader said.

Abbasi's interview comes days after he reached his home after being "missing" for nearly a month.

In a video circulating on social media, Abbasi became emotional during his reunion with family members.

He met his family after an anti-terrorism court in Rawalpindi approved his pre-arrest bail in a case till October 10. The ex-MNA also faces other cases related to the attack on military installations.

"Due to the narrative that has been built [...] I cannot continue as a PTI member. I have no plans of staying in politics anymore," Abbasi said.

Sadaqat Ali Abbasi quits PTI, blames Imran Khan for May 9 riots

Former parliamentarian Sadaqat Ali Abbasi has become the latest to quit the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf and held the former ruling party’s Chairman Imran Khan for May 9 mayhem — when the...

www.thenews.com.pk

 

[BouncerGuy]

Independents will side with highest bidder: Vawda

ISLAMABAD: Senior politician Faisal Vawda has claimed that steering the next government without the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Co-chairman Asif Zardari would be a tightrope walk as it will be “challenging”.

Talking to a private TV news channel, Vawda said since the PTI was no longer in the electoral fray, the battleground was now reduced to a two-way game between the PPP and the PML-N.

Painting a bleak picture of the incoming government, he predicted that “it will be a miracle if it manages to endure for two years”, adding that it will be likely a short 11 or 12-month wonder.

He further predicted that in case the government limps along for 11 months, “the PDM-2” (the Pakistan Democratic Movement) will never be formed as the PPP and the PML-N would be unlikely bedfellows.

“They will not sit together.”

The senior politician said that the winning independent members would be the real kingmakers as they would decide the government “while the role of Istehkam-e-Pakistan Party (IPP) was also apparent”.

Commenting on the prevailing political breeze, he said, “No need to break an independent candidate; they will determine the direction of the wind. The judicial system has already indicated the direction in which the wind is blowing.”

He noted that some independent candidates would shift around, indicating their readiness to join various political parties. "There will be a bidding process for the independent candidates just like what happens in a goat market,” he asserted.

“These independent candidates will align themselves with the party that offers the highest bid."
Moreover, he predicted a fragile government that could be likened to a thread. "A government thinner than a thread will be formed.”

Clarifying that he was not joining the PPP, he stated, "Asif Zardari is an expert player in the political arena.” Vawda said he could see his images being displayed at the President's House."

"The slogan 'Khalai Makhlooq' was associated with PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif, and he, too, received a clean chit," he remarked.

"Of all the institutions in Pakistan, the PPP will assert ownership over each one," he claimed.
The senior politician went on to lament that everyone was engaging in politics solely for personal gain, with little regard for the interests of Pakistan.

He predicted that the PML-N would struggle to secure even 100 seats, stating, “It’s uncertain what might happen if they participate independently and end up in the third position.”

Vawda remarked that Zardari was informed that the current leaders were “expired”. "Asif Zardari said that his son and individuals like yourself (Vawda) are the ones poised to lead the country into the future."

Vawda said, “To be expired is very important in this game but unfortunately it is not like that. Three or four self-made heroes are not being replaced. The problem is that the villain is the same but the heroes are being changed.”
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Independents will side with highest bidder: Vawda | The Express Tribune

Says PTI is out of the fray and PML-N will grab less than 100 seats

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