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[VIDEO] Dark-skinned journo complains about 'put light on yourself' comment from Shaheen [Update#39]

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Incident in question is from a press conference on 12th December during the Rawalpindi Test match.

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I don't think he's in trouble...

No one cares about racism in Pakistan lol. Sarfraz only got in trouble because he made the comment towards a South African. If it was a Pakistani to a Pakistani nothing would have happened.
 
If he couldn't see the chap, of course its not racist.

If he could and was commenting on his dark skin its pretty disgusting.
 
Man your players are paindu AF, I know they may be genuinely good blokes at heart but they desperately need some basic training on how to handle media and conduct themselves in public, this pind mentality is destroying Pak cricket.
 
Disturbing comment. Very crass and in such poor taste. Amazing how the room erupts in laughter and is seemingly okay with the comment.

Poor behaviour.
How are people okay with this, regardless of whether he really couldn't see the journo, or wanted to comment on his skin tone, rhe natural laughter in the room is as disturbing ad the comment itself.
 
Disturbing comment. Very crass and in such poor taste. Amazing how the room erupts in laughter and is seemingly okay with the comment.

Poor behaviour.
How are people okay with this, regardless of whether he really couldn't see the journo, or wanted to comment on his skin tone, rhe natural laughter in the room is as disturbing ad the comment itself.

Like I said no one cares about racism in Pakistan. It's not much different in India either.

When the Sarfraz incident happened even afterwards my dad still referred to as that SA player as '****'...
 
And pp goes nuts again over a non issue I think he just couldn’t see him properly so that’s why he said that it’s not a big deal and he’s only a bacha man let it be
 
I thought the kid learnt a lesson after his Twitter video theatrics, but nah! he's here making fun of his own people and the entire room bursts into laughter! What a bunch of jokers!
 
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I think the other people were already joking about it and Shaheen just quipped in. Jokes on the color of a person's skin are pretty common in Pakistan. A good number of jokes in comedy shows on TV these days are about dark skin. It's not racist, people are overreacting by saying that but it is somewhat distasteful. It's a similar situation to fat jokes and jokes about a person's looks, it's fine among friends (obviously if they are cool about it and one doesn't take it too far) but you don't go about making such jokes publicly at strangers. Needs to know better and conduct himself in a better way.
 
India has as much casual racism as Pak just that our celebs and media personalities in general are much more aware of the global trends and sensitivities. Cricketers from rural backgrounds needs to be given proper training on communication, body language, appearance, general ethics and basic manners before letting them handle an entire presser on their own.
 
A bunch of softies. Everyone had a good laugh and he was probably genuine about the comment.
He actually couldn’t see him so he asked them to shine the light on him. How is that racist? People need to stop being so soft
 
PCB should ask Shaheen to give an official apology so that he and other young players learn that such poor comments should not be made.

He is a young guy and it was definitely an error in judgement on his part. We all make mistakes when we are young and such mistakes are pointed out by our elders which in this case should be Pak team management and PCB as the players are generally away from home.
 
A bunch of softies. Everyone had a good laugh and he was probably genuine about the comment.
He actually couldn’t see him so he asked them to shine the light on him. How is that racist? People need to stop being so soft

Maybe its the case. However, still no harm in Afridi to apologizing if the journalist took the comment in the wrong way in my opinion.
 
A bunch of softies. Everyone had a good laugh and he was probably genuine about the comment.
He actually couldn’t see him so he asked them to shine the light on him. How is that racist? People need to stop being so soft

Would he have said the same thing if the person who he couldn't see was as light skinned as himself?
 
Would he have said the same thing if the person who he couldn't see was as light skinned as himself?

No because then he'd be able to see him wouldn't he? Lol

Why would he ask the person to shine some light on himself if Shaheen could see him?
 
Man your players are paindu AF, I know they may be genuinely good blokes at heart but they desperately need some basic training on how to handle media and conduct themselves in public, this pind mentality is destroying Pak cricket.

He couldn't see him.
What do you want him to do??

It's not like he said that to him to make fun out of the guy.

Look at your own players first before pointing fingers at ours.
 
Did the journalist complain or report this??

If not, then why are we talking about it?

If the journalist didn't care, why are others getting triggered??

What a society we live in now smh
People get offended over the pettiest of things.
 
I think the other people were already joking about it and Shaheen just quipped in. Jokes on the color of a person's skin are pretty common in Pakistan. A good number of jokes in comedy shows on TV these days are about dark skin. It's not racist, people are overreacting by saying that but it is somewhat distasteful. It's a similar situation to fat jokes and jokes about a person's looks, it's fine among friends (obviously if they are cool about it and one doesn't take it too far) but you don't go about making such jokes publicly at strangers. Needs to know better and conduct himself in a better way.

I remember seeing a YouTube video of a popular Pakistani comedy show where a famous Pak comedian wore blackface to mock Bangladeshi cricketers and the audience were going crazy with laughter and claps. The disturbing thing is, this type of casual racism is pretty mainstream in Pakistan. India too has the same problem but I have never seen anything as blatantly racist as that on national television, Indian TV and media by and large never endorsed racism and bigotry in the name of comedy. May be there were some low key instances but definitely not as ugly as in case of Pak television.
 
I remember seeing a YouTube video of a popular Pakistani comedy show where a famous Pak comedian wore blackface to mock Bangladeshi cricketers and the audience were going crazy with laughter and claps. The disturbing thing is, this type of casual racism is pretty mainstream in Pakistan. India too has the same problem but I have never seen anything as blatantly racist as that on national television, Indian TV and media by and large never endorsed racism and bigotry in the name of comedy. May be there were some low key instances but definitely not as ugly as in case of Pak television.
If the guy is playing a relatively dark skinned character, what do you want him to do?

How's he going to play the character if he's not dark skinned himself??

So we're not going to represent the dark-skinned community because of their colour??
Wow. That's racist. I'm so triggered...
 
Wow terrible ,try making fun of a pathan and then you will see his anger, also you could see his smirk..

Also the reporter has an issue with it, its not like there is just hue and cry from others, the gug affected has an issue.
 
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A bunch of softies. Everyone had a good laugh and he was probably genuine about the comment.
He actually couldn’t see him so he asked them to shine the light on him. How is that racist? People need to stop being so soft

What a society we live in!
 
Did the journalist complain or report this??

If not, then why are we talking about it?

If the journalist didn't care, why are others getting triggered??

What a society we live in now smh
People get offended over the pettiest of things.

Umm yes, see the first clip fully.
 
I think the other people were already joking about it and Shaheen just quipped in. Jokes on the color of a person's skin are pretty common in Pakistan. A good number of jokes in comedy shows on TV these days are about dark skin. It's not racist, people are overreacting by saying that but it is somewhat distasteful. It's a similar situation to fat jokes and jokes about a person's looks, it's fine among friends (obviously if they are cool about it and one doesn't take it too far) but you don't go about making such jokes publicly at strangers. Needs to know better and conduct himself in a better way.

What about jokes on religion and ethnicity? Should the journalist make some Pathan jokes at his face and then ask him a question?
 
If the guy is playing a relatively dark skinned character, what do you want him to do?

How's he going to play the character if he's not dark skinned himself??

So we're not going to represent the dark-skinned community because of their colour??
Wow. That's racist. I'm so triggered...

Your casual acceptance is problematic too.
Besides, he seems to be smirking all through him asking the question.

It's just insensitive, don't you agree?
 
What about jokes on religion and ethnicity? Should the journalist make some Pathan jokes at his face and then ask him a question?

How do you know whether he was joking or genuinely asking?
 
How do you know whether he was joking or genuinely asking?

Are you not seeing the video? Also you have been corrected on reporter having an issue with that attitude.. as said already see the clip..
 
Your casual acceptance is problematic too.
Besides, he seems to be smirking all through him asking the question.

It's just insensitive, don't you agree?

It is problematic if the person on the receiving end finds it offensive (which he did). So Shaheen should apologise but using this to call him racist is not right either.
 
Are you not seeing the video? Also you have been corrected on reporter having an issue with that attitude.. as said already see the clip..

I can see that he found it offensive which is why I've said that Shaheen should apologise. What else do you think should happen?
You want Shaheen to be banned over this?
 
He couldn't see him.
What do you want him to do??

It's not like he said that to him to make fun out of the guy.

Look at your own players first before pointing fingers at ours.

Don't get triggered every time you see my username.

Anyone with half a brain can see that he was clearly mocking his skin tone, why would the entire room be laughing if it was a genuine request? Hell even he was laughing like you do when a joke of yours is well received.

Don't worry about our players, they are much more educated and aware of current trends in general to make comments like this. Remember what happened to Pandya? He was rightly punished for saying something, albeit disgusting, but not even related to cricket in a non cricketing casual interview. Not even even talking about how he got ripped apart in social media. Point is we don't encourage stuff like that and ours are no saints but they are smarter and know that there will be serious consequences for such display of poor manners and civic sense.
 
I can see that he found it offensive which is why I've said that Shaheen should apologise. What else do you think should happen?
You want Shaheen to be banned over this?

? No... but he clearly needs to be taught how to handle fame ..
 
OK so the journalist in question is Asghar Ali Mubarak, the same one with the Dickwella/de Silva gaffe a few days ago.

Digging a little deeper, it seems like he took it as a joke initially (see him laughing about it in the following video which is from 16th Dec) but suddenly after Shaheen took a 5fer today, he has decided it was a racist comment and wants an apology... A strange turn of events.

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Did the journalist complain or report this??

If not, then why are we talking about it?

If the journalist didn't care, why are others getting triggered??

What a society we live in now smh
People get offended over the pettiest of things.

Bro watch the first video
 
Don't get triggered every time you see my username.

Anyone with half a brain can see that he was clearly mocking his skin tone, why would the entire room be laughing if it was a genuine request? Hell even he was laughing like you do when a joke of yours is well received.

Don't worry about our players, they are much more educated and aware of current trends in general to make comments like this. Remember what happened to Pandya? He was rightly punished for saying something, albeit disgusting, but not even related to cricket in a non cricketing casual interview. Not even even talking about how he got ripped apart in social media. Point is we don't encourage stuff like that and ours are no saints but they are smarter and know that there will be serious consequences for such display of poor manners and civic sense.

Bro Harbhajjan slapped Sreesanth on a cricket field what manners you are talking about? Kohli had quite a few altercations with journalists early in his career, he matured with time. There can be other examples quoted as well even with journalists. Error in judgments are part and parcel of life and one should improve and move on from their.
 
If the guy is playing a relatively dark skinned character, what do you want him to do?

How's he going to play the character if he's not dark skinned himself??

So we're not going to represent the dark-skinned community because of their colour??
Wow. That's racist. I'm so triggered...

Are you for real? You actually justifying this? I am just spellbound, if seemingly educated folks like you have such rotten mindset can't really blame your cricketers who generally come from humble background. This is just shocking behavior, if you were working in a multinational corporate environment and found speaking stuff like this you would be forced to attend ethics and anti-racism sessions for months together to detox your brain.
 
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OK so the journalist in question is Asghar Ali Mubarak, the same one with the Dickwella/de Silva gaffe a few days ago.

Digging a little deeper, it seems like he took it as a joke initially (see him laughing about it in the following video which is from 16th Dec) but suddenly after Shaheen took a 5fer today, he has decided it was a racist comment and wants an apology... A strange turn of events.

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So the vid isn't from today?
 
? No... but he clearly needs to be taught how to handle fame ..

Its nothing to do with fame rather part of growing up. Just because he is a cricketer, its the reason its coming into limelight. There are countless 19 years old bullying, making poor judgement etc and they are either straightened by their teachers or parents. Its coming out of a teenagers mouth, PCB and team management can should guide him and he should apologize.
 
This kinda stuff is very common in Pakistan - people constantly talk about '****' or '****' and crack little jokes at their expense. To boot, Pakistani players generally aren't polished, so they make gaffe's like this.

It unfortunate, Shaheen should apologize to the journalist privately and move on. Avoid making this a bigger issue than it needs to be
 
Bro Harbhajjan slapped Sreesanth on a cricket field what manners you are talking about? Kohli had quite a few altercations with journalists early in his career, he matured with time. There can be other examples quoted as well even with journalists. Error in judgments are part and parcel of life and one should improve and move on from their.

Come on man we are talking about racism and low key bigotry here. Even if Harbhajan defecated on Shreesanth's mouth it would still not be half as offensive as mocking someone in public, at a pressure, on national television for being dark. There is a clear difference between altercations and displaying bigoted behavior.
 
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Seems the journalist is trying to create controversy out of nothing.
 
Its nothing to do with fame rather part of growing up. Just because he is a cricketer, its the reason its coming into limelight. There are countless 19 years old bullying, making poor judgement etc and they are either straightened by their teachers or parents. Its coming out of a teenagers mouth, PCB and team management can should guide him and he should apologize.

Yes.. that’s what I’m saying usually its the sponsors, administrators and sport agents that push for things like this..
Also again 19 is not young as Desis like to feel , we have somewhat an idea from wrong to right.
 
[MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] what’s your view here, you have a lot to say about casual racism of White Americans..
 
Yes.. that’s what I’m saying usually its the sponsors, administrators and sport agents that push for things like this..
Also again 19 is not young as Desis like to feel , we have somewhat an idea from wrong to right.

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Come on man we are talking about racism and low key bigotry here. Even if Harbhajan defecated on Shreesanth's mouth it would still not be half as offensive as mocking someone in public, at a pressure, on national television for being dark. There is a clear difference between altercations and displaying bigoted behavior.

Bro Harbhajhan made fun of Symonds by impersonating a Monkey, Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist. Not to forget Harbhajjan and Jones were much more older than Shaheen when they made those mistakes. Its an error in judgement as said earlier as well but its nothing new in cricketing world.
 
This Mubarak guy is the same guy that called Dickwella "De Silva" lol
 
Are you for real? You actually justifying this? I am just spellbound, if seemingly educated folks like you have such rotten mindset can't really blame your cricketers who generally come from humble background. This is just shocking behavior, if you were working in a multinational corporate environment and found speaking stuff like this you would be forced to attend ethics and anti-racism sessions for months together to detox your brain.

I know that it's wrong but I don't think that was Shaheen's intention so why should we accuse him for something that he wasn't aware of?

If he does it after being educated on this, then you can point fingers on him but not now.

Say sorry and move on
 
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Yes.. that’s what I’m saying usually its the sponsors, administrators and sport agents that push for things like this..
Also again 19 is not young as Desis like to feel , we have somewhat an idea from wrong to right.

Shaheen is 19 yes and one is mature enough at this age but can still falter and not to forget has been under the umbrella of PCB for few years, so he was much younger when he started to be away from home for cricket. Its not a tendency Shaheen might have showed early in his career and might have made this kind of error at such a platform first time. Team management should guide him and other youngsters and he should apologize to the journalist if necessary and that should be it, its just a mistake on his part which he shouldnt repeat again.
 
I remember seeing a YouTube video of a popular Pakistani comedy show where a famous Pak comedian wore blackface to mock Bangladeshi cricketers and the audience were going crazy with laughter and claps. The disturbing thing is, this type of casual racism is pretty mainstream in Pakistan. India too has the same problem but I have never seen anything as blatantly racist as that on national television, Indian TV and media by and large never endorsed racism and bigotry in the name of comedy. May be there were some low key instances but definitely not as ugly as in case of Pak television.

I think India are more exposed to this.

Not that Pakistan people on average are fair but they are much fairer than India’s. India
Has a lot of Bengalis, Tamils and other southies whose skin tone is similar to Africans almost. So the people have more exposure there.

I’m not defending this. It is definitely paindu but i think it’s different case when you have 1 out of 10 people with that skin tone as appears to 5 out of 10. There will be more backlash and more wariness.

However in my personal encounters in universities and work the North Indian exhibit even more casual racism than the average Pakistani (mind you talking about educated people) but they will not do it in a setting where it would become public.
 
Are you for real? You actually justifying this shitz? I am just spellbound, if seemingly educated folks like you have such rotten mindset can't really blame your cricketers who generally come from humble background. This is just shocking behavior, if you were working in a multinational corporate environment and found speaking stuff like this you would be forced to attend ethics and anti-racism sessions for months together to detox your brain.

Also, apparently he took it as a joke as foest and now suddenly after Shaheen got a five fer, he's suddenly offended by it.

Sounds like this Mubarak guy wants to be relevant and wants attention even though he already got some after he called Dickwella "De Silva" TWICE.
 
Bro Harbhajhan made fun of Symonds by impersonating a Monkey, Dean Jones called Amla a terrorist. Not to forget Harbhajjan and Jones were much more older than Shaheen when they made those mistakes. Its an error in judgement as said earlier as well but its nothing new in cricketing world.

Absolutely deplorable if true, I guess we'll never know if he really said 'Monkey". I didn't know about Jones' comment until now, that is disgusting as hell and targeting someone like Amla, who is one of the most humble and well behaved gentlemen this game has ever seen, is particularly painful.

You got me wrong, I am not saying that Shaheen is racist or something like that, I am sure he is a good lad at heart and hopefully will learn from his mistake and never repeat them. I don't want him to be punished and I am actually agreeing with you in this regard.

However in your previous posts I felt you tried to equalize cricket fights and altercations with behaviors like this, they are not equals. I only disagreed with that bit.
 
And was called a buffoon by Mike Atherton.

Woah! While we are rightly worried about teaching our 19 years old but, there are clearly countless others in the cricketing world which are more than double the age of Shaheen making such comments. I am a fan of Atherton in comm box but this comment is not something you expect from him.
 
Journalist trying to make a mountain out of a molehill to sell news. Is becoming a joke himself
 
This journo seems to be a bit of an attention seeker to me. Although, no harm in Shaheen apologizing to him if it calms matters. He should then not be allowed to be part of any presser.
 
Woah! While we are rightly worried about teaching our 19 years old but, there are clearly countless others in the cricketing world which are more than double the age of Shaheen making such comments. I am a fan of Atherton in comm box but this comment is not something you expect from him.

Towards the end of the post-match conference, during which Atherton had answered the usual questions with considerable patience, a Pakistani journalist asked a question, and England's skipper did not catch it.

"Er, I think I already answered that," he said. The questioner repeated himself. "I'm lost," said Atherton, looking around for help. The questioner had a third try, but Atherton could not make head nor tail of it (neither could anyone else). "We're playing Pakistan next week in Karachi," he said firmly - and then, turning aside: "Will someone get rid of this buffoon?"
 
Woah! While we are rightly worried about teaching our 19 years old but, there are clearly countless others in the cricketing world which are more than double the age of Shaheen making such comments. I am a fan of Atherton in comm box but this comment is not something you expect from him.

Are you being sarcastic or are you actually offended by this?

In the UK, calling someone a buffoon is just a more polite way of calling someone an idiot.
 
Looks like he's being taken out of context. The journo was probably sitting behind something that was casting a shadow. No sportsman would go out of their way in a press conference to be racist.
 
Also, apparently he took it as a joke as foest and now suddenly after Shaheen got a five fer, he's suddenly offended by it.

Sounds like this Mubarak guy wants to be relevant and wants attention even though he already got some after he called Dickwella "De Silva" TWICE.

Even if that journo was the most opportunistic trickster in the world that joke would still be in a poor taste.
 
I have no sympathy for the journalist. He's an incompetent attention seeker who has found a convenient opportunity (following Shaheen's 5fer) to gain some cheap fame.
 
Are you being sarcastic or are you actually offended by this?

In the UK, calling someone a buffoon is just a more polite way of calling someone an idiot.

I know but its only a UK thing which and calling someone an idiot and that too in the form of word which he is not accustomed to, Buffoon (Which the journalist under discussion would have definitely thought of as something to do with the way he looks.
 
There must be some kind of PR team for the players right? They are responsible to educating cultural sensititvity to the young sportsman. Tell them you are on national Tv and your behavior will symbolise the behavior of others. These are basic things. It is not okay to let these things slide.
 
Casual racism is a big thing in Pakistan and you can see why from some of the replies of the trash human beings in this thread. Just because the journalist didn’t complain doesn’t make this ok.

We are a garbage cricket team with uneducated and ignorant cricketers. Our cricketers should receive basic education
 
[MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] what’s your view here, you have a lot to say about casual racism of White Americans..

Pakistan and India have an bigger even problem with casual racism, especially the Pashtun parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan rife with colorism and racism, people in those regions look down anybody darker than them. If Pakhtuns were Christians they would be at the forefront of the White nationalist movement.
 
Absolutely deplorable if true, I guess we'll never know if he really said 'Monkey". I didn't know about Jones' comment until now, that is disgusting as hell and targeting someone like Amla, who is one of the most humble and well behaved gentlemen this game has ever seen, is particularly painful.

You got me wrong, I am not saying that Shaheen is racist or something like that, I am sure he is a good lad at heart and hopefully will learn from his mistake and never repeat them. I don't want him to be punished and I am actually agreeing with you in this regard.

However in your previous posts I felt you tried to equalize cricket fights and altercations with behaviors like this, they are not equals. I only disagreed with that bit.

Yes it was pretty poor from Bhajji as well as Jones. You can see the videos as well. However, I dont judge them because of a mistake or two.

I agree that altercations and fights arent the same but still they dont show ideal manners but you are right not exactly same cases. Shaheen should apologize and definitely not do anything like this again. It happens, both Shaheen and Journu should move on and its duty of team management to groom the young players in other than cricket aspect as well.
 
Hilarious journalist though. Should be allowed to tour with the Pak team just for the sake of banter
 
Pakistan and India have an bigger even problem with casual racism, especially the Pashtun parts of Pakistan and Afghanistan rife with colorism and racism, people in those regions look down anybody darker than them. If Pakhtuns were Christians they would be at the forefront of the White nationalist movement.

Yes majority of Pashtun's are faired skin but some of them have darker skin tone as well. I dont think Mohammad Shehzad or maybe Ikram Ali Khil would have been mocked in Afghan's dressing room due to their skin color.
 
Context is needed here.

The journalist said "main aap k saamne nazar ah raha hoon?" before he asked the question to which Shaheen replied with what he did. So it was obviously just a joke

This attention seeking journalist needs to be kicked out
 
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Really dumbfounded by some of the comments from the posters here. Racism and bigotry has no place in this earth period.
 
I think people should watch the whole video in context before making up their minds. For some self-professed followers of global norms, quite a few of you jump to conclusions without actually researching the evidence.

The reporter while calling for Shaheen's attention says, "Shaheen, mein Asghar Ali Mubarak houn. Aapkay samnay houn, Nazar araha houn kya?" For those who don't understand Urdu, he clearly asks Shaheen, "I am sitting right in front of you, can you see me?"

That was a sarcastic remark the reporter made just before the question (presumably poking fun at himself) and immediately everyone in the press box burst into laughter.

Shaheen just continued on the tone and made sarcastic comment back. I don't think his comments had any condescending or racial undertones to it, like some of you have inferred.
 
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