[VIDEO - Discretion advised] Muslim kid gets a beating for drinking water in a Hindu Temple

[Tubs]

This is Yogi's govt. Many criminals, which previous govts wouldn't dare to touch, are not just arrested, but their properties have been demolished. This govt is brutal on those who break the law.

Oh really? I'm not too read-up on this to be honest, do you have any English sources for this? Not that I don't believe you, I just would like to see some examples.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Oh really? I'm not too read-up on this to be honest, do you have any English sources for this? Not that I don't believe you, I just would like to see some examples.

It is ok even if you don't believe me. Do your own research.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I bet this ******* got great satisfaction by beating up a child.

We in the UK consider it an act of cowardice to pick fights with children, but I have noticed that in India there doesn't seem to be the same concept. It looks even worse when you consider Indians are not known for having a combative mindset like say the Afghans are.

If this video went viral in Britain, would be very damaging for the reputation of Indians in general.

 

[guna]

Hinduism has organized itself into a strict cult too like other Abrahamic cults. Gone are the days of intellectual discussions to put forward your point of view. Now it’s all about who ever holds the longest stick will take it all.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hinduism has organized itself into a strict cult too like other Abrahamic cults. Gone are the days of intellectual discussions to put forward your point of view. Now it’s all about who ever holds the longest stick will take it all.

You need all kinds for the advancement of your civilization. Each one has their own utility.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Hinduism has organized itself into a strict cult too like other Abrahamic cults. Gone are the days of intellectual discussions to put forward your point of view. Now it’s all about who ever holds the longest stick will take it all.

When were the days of intellectual discussions by Hindus that you are lamenting over?

 

[Rana]

Arrested but what next?

He has to have the appropriate punishment surely.

This sort of idiot needs to be slapped around by a few people.

There are probably more Muslims in Jail. Hope he gets a beating of a lifetime

 

[Colorblind Genius]

There are probably more Muslims in Jail. Hope he gets a beating of a lifetime

And you think the local police and BJP is already not supporting him behind they scenes, and they will lock him up in high risk cells?
Inside the jail, he is probably having the time of his life in a pvt room and gets served three hot meals a day. Better than those crying Indian soldiers about daal roti.

 

[Rana]

And you think the local police and BJP is already not supporting him behind they scenes, and they will lock him up in high risk cells?
Inside the jail, he is probably having the time of his life in a pvt room and gets served three hot meals a day. Better than those crying Indian soldiers about daal roti.

Na bro, nothing noble about assaulting a kid like he just did. I’m giving humans the benefit of the doubt here, surely this guy is a marked man now.

 

[Itachi]

Nope. I didnt claim that.

My point is people like these get emboldened to do it in a particular climate as a general statement.

Like how rowdies get more active during DMK rule.

Even if he is naturally hostile, the rest of the argument hardly gets irrelevant.

Thats why i said you were missing the point...the big picture.

For you, this person did a crime. He got arrested. Its all good cos its always been this way.

Wish things were that simple.

For argument sake, let's say the system is itself promoting a particular religion which belongs to majority of people of the system. Is there any wrong with that if the system doesn't discriminate when it comes to crime?

There will be some level of promotion , be it religion or any particular community regardless of religion or any other entity. For example, in election, in assam, the parties will promote the entity of "being assamese" in order to attract more people. Does it mean we are insulting the idea of "being indian"? As long as we don't take a different stand between assamese and non assamese, no discrimination will arise.

 

[kabbirann]

Hinduvata morons bringing more glory to their religion and they have the gall to say they and we are the same people.

You beat up kids who ask for water in your religious places, we serve free food and water for everyone in our religious places.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hinduvata morons bringing more glory to their religion and they have the gall to say they and we are the same people.

You beat up kids who ask for water in your religious places, we serve free food and water for everyone in our religious places.

We are the same people. You serve free food. We give all our donations to the govt, part of which goes to fund the free stuff to farmers.

 

[Itachi]

Hinduvata morons bringing more glory to their religion and they have the gall to say they and we are the same people.

You beat up kids who ask for water in your religious places, we serve free food and water for everyone in our religious places.

People are not defined by their religion but who they are. The accused tried different but got arrested rightly so. Unless you've a hatred inside stemmed by insecurities, I don't think anyone would have done any differently towards showing empathy to other people regardless from whatever religion they are from.

 

[Third_Umpire]

Hindu taliban rampant in India.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Na bro, nothing noble about assaulting a kid like he just did. I’m giving humans the benefit of the doubt here, surely this guy is a marked man now.

On the contrary, I think there are many, many such cowards all over India running around like rabies infested dogs. As long as they are not reported based on absolutely undeniable evidence, cops and local political authorities in power, simply protect them.

Do you think Babu Bajrangi would've EVER been investigated by the Indian police on it's own? Not in a million years. It was all due to an undercover journalist who nabbed him.

 

[Itachi]

On the contrary, I think there are many, many such cowards all over India running around like rabies infested dogs. As long as they are not reported based on absolutely undeniable evidence, cops and local political authorities in power, simply protect them.

Do you think Babu Bajrangi would've EVER been investigated by the Indian police on it's own? Not in a million years. It was all due to an undercover journalist who nabbed him.

Without solid evidence, documentation, report no legal system can take actions. That's how real world works.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Without solid evidence, documentation, report no legal system can take actions. That's how real world works.

You can take suo moto action to investigate.

 

[Itachi]

You can take suo moto action to investigate.

Not feasible in terms practicality.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not feasible in terms practicality.

Seems you haven't heard of suo moto cognizance and judicial overreach.

Should be investigated why the kid went inside the compound when there was a tap right near the gate, and who prefers to drink from a well instead of a tap? There is more to this than meets the innocent eyes.

 

[observer1]

Disgusting.

Sadly sums up modern day India

 

[Local.Dada]

Disgraceful act and glad the culprit is caught . However how is this any different from those Fb videos you see of a random shopkeeper being racist to a customer or something, good to see these brought to lights.

See that some people have reacted to a point that there is a civil war in India based on this video. Those folks are Just a notch below the criminal in this video in terms of stupidity.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Disgraceful act and glad the culprit is caught . However how is this any different from those Fb videos you see of a random shopkeeper being racist to a customer or something, good to see these brought to lights.

See that some people have reacted to a point that there is a civil war in India based on this video. Those folks are Just a notch below the criminal in this video in terms of stupidity.

It's different because a shopkeeper being racist isn't quite as bad as an adult physically assaulting a child. This is a silly equivalence, and really unnecessary.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It's different because a shopkeeper being racist isn't quite as bad as an adult physically assaulting a child. This is a silly equivalence, and really unnecessary.

Depends. The scars I got were from words, not from caning. Also he was an adolescent, not a child.

This is simply a law and order issue, where people protect their tribe when there is no order. If a hindu finds a tresspasser in a temple, whose purpose was not to come for praying, one will naturally get suspicious about the motives. If he says that he came to drink water, that will double the suspicion, as there are taps available outside, and who walks all the way to drink from a well? So one suspects the person to be a thief, or someone after girls who come to pray, or any other anti social reason. In an ideal case, the adolescent should have been handed over to the police. There is obviously more to this than simply an adolescent getting beaten up. The guy who beat him up may be a bigot, but the excuse of coming to drink water from well doesnt add up.

 

[cric_man]

Not a rogue but an accolyte following orders from his master it seems...

I hope Independent is a valid source for Joshila to look at or he can get the same from Timesofindia as well.

Priest of Hindu temple where Muslim boy was beaten says his only regret is that it was filmed
‘I had trained my followers well to give a befitting reply to trespassers from a specific minority community,’ says the chief priest

Stuti Mishra
@StutiNMishra


The 14-year-old Muslim boy was thrashed by a man after he said he entered the Hindu temple to drink water


The chief priest of the temple where a Muslim teen was assaulted for drinking water from the tap, has said that his biggest regret is that the incident was recorded on camera.

Yati Narasinghanand Saraswati, whose aide was arrested for thrashing the 14-year-old Muslim boy last week, has come out in support of the assault saying that the teen got a “befitting reply” for trespassing.

“I had trained my followers well to give a befitting reply to trespassers from a specific minority community,” Mr Saraswati was quoted byTimes of India as saying in a press conference on Monday. “And all they did on Friday was they were following my instruction.”

The temple, situated in the city of Ghaziabad, which borders the national capital Delhi, is part of the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, where there have been several recent cases of assaults against Muslims.

Pinky Chaudhary, another aide of the temple head, who according toTOI is booked under several offences of vandalism and assault, said: “We have to strengthen ourselves, and Maharaj Ji (referring to the chief priest) is doing just what is needed.”


Last week, a video of a 14-year-old Muslim boy being thrashed inside the Dasna Devi temple premise went viral on Indian Twitter. In the video, a man was seen asking the teenage boy his name and his family details and enquiring why he had entered the temple premise.

The boy could be heard giving his details and saying that he stepped in just to drink water. Unconvinced, the man continued to thrash him, pinning him down and kicking him, which resulted in several serious injuries for the teen.

Ghaziabad police arrested two people following outrage on social media, including the one who was beating the teen, identified as Shringi Narayan Yadav and the one recording it, named just as Shivanand. Both were identified as the priests of the temple.


The temple’s head priest said there’s a signboard outside the temple that says entry of “people from minority communities” is prohibited and added that the boy must have come in on “the pretext” of drinking water.

He also said that similar instances of trespassing in the temple premise were dealt with an “iron hand” in the past.


The TOI report stated that the head priest could not explain his theory about other motive, but defended his claim saying: “How do you explain him entering the temple for drinking water, when there is a hand pump just outside the temple?”

The head priest did not express remorse for the incident, except that it was filmed.

“This [recording video] was a mistake,” he was quoted by TOI. “They should not have recorded it.”

The boy’s mother told The Independent he is still struggling to recover and has sustained several injuries on his head, hands and legs. Sitara Habib, the mother of the 14-year-old said “this is the first time something like this has happened to him in that area.”

The boy works as a ragpicker and is one of the four children of Ms Habib. She says several politicians and activists have reached out to her to offer help, including the police after the video went viral. However, the boy in his statement on camera after the incident said when he approached a police officer outside the temple he did not help.

This is one of the several such cases reported from Uttar Pradesh where Hindu extremist groups and activists have attacked Muslims, emboldened by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which rules at the centre, gaining power in the state through its populist Hindutva ideology.

According to Human Rights Watch, Muslims have been disproportionately affected in the state by laws targeting forced conversion and cow slaughter, with 4,000 people arrested in Uttar Pradesh over the latter in 2020 alone.

https://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/india-temple-priest-muslim-boy-thrashed-b1817792.html

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not a rogue but an accolyte following orders from his master it seems...

I hope Independent is a valid source for Joshila to look at or he can get the same from Timesofindia as well.

This needs more investigation which the likes of independent or even indian english media don't do. it is the vernacular press who have the ears on the ground. Why did the temple had to explicitly put up a board asking muslims not to enter? What is the history behind that? This needs investigative journalism which english press are not capable of, especially when it comes to hinterlands.

 

[cric_man]

This needs more investigation which the likes of independent or even indian english media don't do. it is the vernacular press who have the ears on the ground. Why did the temple had to explicitly put up a board asking muslims not to enter? What is the history behind that? This needs investigative journalism which english press are not capable of, especially when it comes to hinterlands.

Ah so it must have been the Muslims that are the root cause of this? Is that what you are alluding to?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Depends. The scars I got were from words, not from caning. Also he was an adolescent, not a child.

This is simply a law and order issue, where people protect their tribe when there is no order. If a hindu finds a tresspasser in a temple, whose purpose was not to come for praying, one will naturally get suspicious about the motives. If he says that he came to drink water, that will double the suspicion, as there are taps available outside, and who walks all the way to drink from a well? So one suspects the person to be a thief, or someone after girls who come to pray, or any other anti social reason. In an ideal case, the adolescent should have been handed over to the police. There is obviously more to this than simply an adolescent getting beaten up. The guy who beat him up may be a bigot, but the excuse of coming to drink water from well doesnt add up.

Agree that this could be seen as a matter of semantics. But even if you want to call a 14 year old an adolescent rather than a child, it still means he is most likely not able to defend himself against a much heavier full grown man.

If you think it is a law and order issue, then I would need to ask what is the lawful procedure in India for dealing with a 14 year old drinking from a well? It may well be that beating up 14 year olds is considered acceptable in your country, I have no idea. In Britain that man would be taken to court for assaulting a minor officially, and laughed at and scorned by the rest of the country for not picking on someone his own size.

 

[pillionrider]

Agree that this could be seen as a matter of semantics. But even if you want to call a 14 year old an adolescent rather than a child, it still means he is most likely not able to defend himself against a much heavier full grown man.

If you think it is a law and order issue, then I would need to ask what is the lawful procedure in India for dealing with a 14 year old drinking from a well? It may well be that beating up 14 year olds is considered acceptable in your country, I have no idea. In Britain that man would be taken to court for assaulting a minor officially, and laughed at and scorned by the rest of the country for not picking on someone his own size.

CC shouldn't be dismissed so easily. If indeed the boy was inside the temple for reasons other than drinking water, the treatment handed out to him is what routinely happens in India. You may disagree that they should be handing him over to the cops to further investigate and so on.

This would then give a completely new context and understanding to the question asked by the assaulter and his reaction to the answer by the boy - "To drink water."

The question by the assaulter now changes from conveying,
"How dare you drink water in a temple"
to
sarcastically, "Oh, to drink water..."

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

CC shouldn't be dismissed so easily. If indeed the boy was inside the temple for reasons other than drinking water, the treatment handed out to him is what routinely happens in India. You may disagree that they should be handing him over to the cops to further investigate and so on.

This would then give a completely new context and understanding to the question asked by the assaulter and his reaction to the answer by the boy - "To drink water."

The question by the assaulter now changes from conveying,
"How dare you drink water in a temple"
to
sarcastically, "Oh, to drink water..."

I am not dismissing CC, in fact I was clarifying that my opinion is based on what is law and order where I live. I was just asking for clarification on what it would be in India. Could be as you say, in India a full grown man beating on a 14 year old adolescent is seen as perfectly acceptable lawful behaviour.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Agree that this could be seen as a matter of semantics. But even if you want to call a 14 year old an adolescent rather than a child, it still means he is most likely not able to defend himself against a much heavier full grown man.

If you think it is a law and order issue, then I would need to ask what is the lawful procedure in India for dealing with a 14 year old drinking from a well? It may well be that beating up 14 year olds is considered acceptable in your country, I have no idea. In Britain that man would be taken to court for assaulting a minor officially, and laughed at and scorned by the rest of the country for not picking on someone his own size.

I don't want to call. It is a fact that a 14 year old is an adolescent. The crime is not drinking from a well (do you still believe it when there are taps around?). The crime is tresspassing, also hurting religious sentiments, as it violates the sanctity of the sanctum sanctorum, but the laws are not strict, and people take matters in their own hands.

100% agreed, the man should not have assaulted the adolescent. But there is more than black and white, and question should be asked what was he doing in the backyard of a temple. He may as well be naive, but cant blame others for being suspicious when finding someone who is not supposed to be in a temple, claiming that he came to drink water from a well, of all places, instead of tap water which is readily available.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I don't want to call. It is a fact that a 14 year old is an adolescent. The crime is not drinking from a well (do you still believe it when there are taps around?). The crime is tresspassing, also hurting religious sentiments, as it violates the sanctity of the sanctum sanctorum, but the laws are not strict, and people take matters in their own hands.

100% agreed, the man should not have assaulted the adolescent. But there is more than black and white, and question should be asked what was he doing in the backyard of a temple. He may as well be naive, but cant blame others for being suspicious when finding someone who is not supposed to be in a temple, claiming that he came to drink water from a well, of all places, instead of tap water which is readily available.

You can ask whatever questions you want in a court of law. That is beside the point, what we are dealing with here is vigilante law, or kangaroo court which is common in third world countries. It is made worse by the fact that this hindu fellow seems to only be brave enough to beat on young adolescents. If the guy was 6ft 8 and weighed 200 pounds then my guess is he would think twice on it and pretend not to notice.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You can ask whatever questions you want in a court of law. That is beside the point, what we are dealing with here is vigilante law, or kangaroo court which is common in third world countries. It is made worse by the fact that this hindu fellow seems to only be brave enough to beat on young adolescents. If the guy was 6ft 8 and weighed 200 pounds then my guess is he would think twice on it and pretend not to notice.

I agree it is vigilante law, that is what I said. And it comes when the law doesn't do a good job. Question of bravery is meaningless. Just because you don't fight back when someone has a gun pointed at you, doesnt mean you dont take action when the weak thief enters your property. The right question to ask here is why would someone enter the backyard of a temple, which has clear notice that it is a holy place and members of certain community should not enter, and why would someone go to drink water from a well, when there is tap water available outside. It just doesn't add up. Focusing on the assault, which is also a crime, is missing the larger picture.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ah so it must have been the Muslims that are the root cause of this? Is that what you are alluding to?

That is wrong to jump to conclusions. One should find out the truth after letting go of our biases. The hindu community at this place may well be bigots, or they also may be harrassed by muslims in that area, as these two communities don't co exist unless well separated. Root cause in the end is always the hatred for the other, which can be ideological or historical, among other things.

There have been isolated cases of miscreants from other religions going to temples, which are not well protected, to take pictures after desecrating and vandalizing the holy symbols. There have been proofs and some of them were caught. If as a hindu I enter a mosque, even to drink water, or just do wudu, I will first announce my identity to the people there, that is the second sensible thing to do (the first sensible thing is to not go there in the first place). As if it is found out by others, they will rightly be suspicious of my motives. hindus and muslims must practice social distancing to avoid such situations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I agree it is vigilante law, that is what I said. And it comes when the law doesn't do a good job. Question of bravery is meaningless. Just because you don't fight back when someone has a gun pointed at you, doesnt mean you dont take action when the weak thief enters your property. The right question to ask here is why would someone enter the backyard of a temple, which has clear notice that it is a holy place and members of certain community should not enter, and why would someone go to drink water from a well, when there is tap water available outside. It just doesn't add up. Focusing on the assault, which is also a crime, is missing the larger picture.

This is just a matter of perspective. To you as an Indian and devout hindutva, the larger picture is why was the youth drinking water from the well. For me as a British non-hindu, the bigger picture is that the youth has been set about violently before he can be given any sort of a fair trial. I am not saying you are wrong, what constitutes right in your country is your business. For us British though, we believe in innocent until proved guilty, and we believe a man who only shows violent tendencies against demonstrably weaker and under aged people is a coward. In this case an Indian coward.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is just a matter of perspective. To you as an Indian and devout hindutva, the larger picture is why was the youth drinking water from the well. For me as a British non-hindu, the bigger picture is that the youth has been set about violently before he can be given any sort of a fair trial. I am not saying you are wrong, what constitutes right in your country is your business. For us British though, we believe in innocent until proved guilty, and we believe a man who only shows violent tendencies against demonstrably weaker and under aged people is a coward. In this case an Indian coward.

Good to know that you have absolved any RSS or BJP members of their alleged crimes, as you believe in innocence until proven guilty.

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is just a matter of perspective. To you as an Indian and devout hindutva, the larger picture is why was the youth drinking water from the well. For me as a British non-hindu, the bigger picture is that the youth has been set about violently before he can be given any sort of a fair trial. I am not saying you are wrong, what constitutes right in your country is your business. For us British though, we believe in innocent until proved guilty, and we believe a man who only shows violent tendencies against demonstrably weaker and under aged people is a coward. In this case an Indian coward.

There is no evidence that he was drinking from well. He only said this when was accosted about his motives to be in the premises. The question is not why was he drinking from well, as there is no proof of it, but why would someone from an antogonist community even go inside the holy place and claim the purpose as to drink water, when water is available outside.

This is not a defence of the indian coward, but asking questions about the other shady indian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ah so it must have been the Muslims that are the root cause of this? Is that what you are alluding to?

But muslims should not be entering hindu temples. Its forbidden.

 

[CricketCartoons]

But muslims should not be entering hindu temples. Its forbidden.

It is not forbidden. it is just good behaviour which any good and responsible person would do, unless it is open for tourism. Even when visiting the al hambra palace I took off my shoes, and in many churches in europe, made sure to be properly dressed and not take pictures. I expect this basic decency from everyone.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Sad that muslims are even denied water under Hindu rule.

When a united India was ruled by muslims these type of activities never took place. Hopefully when the sub continent is united again these type of things will cease to happen and people can freely drink from mosques and temples alike.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Sad that muslims are even denied water under Hindu rule.

When a united India was ruled by muslims these type of activities never took place. Hopefully when the sub continent is united again these type of things will cease to happen and people can freely drink from mosques and temples alike.

It is sad that hindus under the hindu rule cannot even pray at their holy places without others trespassing. Hindus are being denied their right to practice their religion in peace.

 

[cric_man]

But muslims should not be entering hindu temples. Its forbidden.

Is it against Indian Law?

So when Hindus come into mosques and let loose pigs in it what happens then?

Oh I forgot, they just demolish them ala Babri Masjid and no one gets convicted even after 30+ years

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

There is no evidence that he was drinking from well. He only said this when was accosted about his motives to be in the premises. The question is not why was he drinking from well, as there is no proof of it, but why would someone from an antogonist community even go inside the holy place and claim the purpose as to drink water, when water is available outside.

This is not a defence of the indian coward, but asking questions about the other shady indian.

What the youth was doing has not been established yet. Could be he had shady motives, could be he was just drinking from the well. The right procedure in a civilised country would be to apprehend any suspect and take him for questioning to determine the truth. However these are first world practices, I acknowledge that in countries where mob laws and riots are common place, that is probably unrealistic.

 

[kabbirann]

It's crazy that going to a religious place to drink water is an offence so bad that it deserves a beating-For us it is unthinkable meanness to deny someone water , for BJP folks this is acceptable behaviour.

Watching on twitter and the whole right wing twitter has doubled down on supporting the guy who was beating the child and are spreading malicious lies to malign Muslims.These are really horrifyingly bad people.

 

[Abdullah719]

It’s crazy that going to a religious place to drink water is an offence so bad that it deserves a beating-For us it is unthinkable meanness to deny someone water , for BJP folks this is acceptable behaviour.

Watching on twitter and the whole right wing twitter has doubled down on supporting the guy who was beating the child and are spreading malicious lies to malign Muslims.These are really horrifyingly bad people.

Top Twitter trends earlier in India.

 

[Abdullah719]

Assailant gets bail & hashtag support, boy apologies & aid

Ghaziabad/New Delhi: Shringi Narayan Yadav, the man who assaulted a 14-year-old boy from the minority community last week in Ghaziabad for entering a temple to drink water, got bail on Tuesday and trended as a hashtag as a section of the Twitterati, among them the IT cell head of BJP in Haryana, lauded him for the act.

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On Tuesday, however, the hashtag #IStandWithShringiYadav, was the top trend in India with over 73,000 tweets by 6.30pm.

One of those tweets was especially conspicuous because it was posted by Arun Yadav, who heads BJP’s IT cell in Haryana. “Hindu Roar Like A Lion. I Am With Shringi Yadav,” he tweeted. Asked about it, Arun Yadav later told TOI, “A social media hashtag has been started in support of the person (Shringi), and we are supporting him through it.” Former Film and Television Institute of India chairman and BJP member Gajendra Chauhan also tweeted in support of Shringi.

“I Am With Shringi Yadav. Nation With A Nationalist,” he wrote in a post. The tweet was deleted later. Several unverified accounts aired radical views, sharing pictures of Shringi carrying a rifle and a bullet belt and saying the majority community needs “heroes” like him.

Many of the views echoed Shringi’s own. On his Facebook timeline, Shringi regularly posts photos and videos that advocate controlling the “rising population” of the minority community. Shringi has also called for “punishing” women who make friends from other communities.

In November, he shared a post by another user who asked members of the majority community to embrace the principles of Nathuram Godse, “who did not stop at anything to ensure justice for Hindus”.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...rt-boy-apologies-aid/articleshow/81540216.cms

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It's SO FRUSTRATING to see videos with false claims blaming minorities get thousands of RTs on twitter alone.&#55357;&#56866; <br>This is an organised attempt by Right Wing Influencers to justify the attack on a muslim kid for drinking water in temple premises. <br>CC: <a href="https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TwitterSafety</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MomentsIndia?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MomentsIndia</a> <a href="https://t.co/wSjMzaxH2F">pic.twitter.com/wSjMzaxH2F</a></p>— Mohammed Zubair (@zoo_bear) <a href="https://twitter.com/zoo_bear/status/1371947599175897090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 16, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hopefully our resident bigots will be able to explain why this is happening?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hopefully our resident bigots will be able to explain why this is happening?

As a resident bigot let me answer this. When Shirin Mazari showed a fake picture on Kashmir, did it mean that similar thing never happens in kashmir and it is fake news?

 

[IndoorCricket]

I am following this story bits and pieces. Form what I read there are taps outside the temple for drinking and there were boards outside the temple for Muslims not to enter. When asked about why the kid didn't check the board the answer was he was not able to read. Then the real question is why this kid is not able to read and why he has to get into the temple to drink water? The other question is why Muslims are not allowed in this temple? Anyone has a insight on this?

 

[IndoorCricket]

I am following this story bits and pieces. Form what I read there are taps outside the temple for drinking and there were boards outside the temple for Muslims not to enter. When asked about why the kid didn't check the board the answer was he was not able to read. Then the real question is why this kid is not able to read and why he has to get into the temple to drink water? The other question is why Muslims are not allowed in this temple? Anyone has a insight on this?

Other side of the story from the temple authority

 

[CricketCartoons]

Other side of the story from the temple authority

The only sides of a story are the truth side and the false side.

 

[pillionrider]

The only sides of a story are the truth side and the false side.

You're wrong. Stop dealing in binary.

There is yours, mine and the truth

 

[CricketCartoons]

You're wrong. Stop dealing in binary.

There is yours, mine and the truth

Talking about yourself. I am always on the side of truth, no matter how uncomfortable.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am following this story bits and pieces. Form what I read there are taps outside the temple for drinking and there were boards outside the temple for Muslims not to enter. When asked about why the kid didn't check the board the answer was he was not able to read. Then the real question is why this kid is not able to read and why he has to get into the temple to drink water? The other question is why Muslims are not allowed in this temple? Anyone has a insight on this?

So you think the real question is why the kid was not able to read? Don't you think the question should be why a fat adult starts beating on a kid half his size in a civilised country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you think the real question is why the kid was not able to read? Don't you think the question should be why a fat adult starts beating on a kid half his size in a civilised country?

What that guy did was abhorrent and he is in jail.

But the question is why did a 14 year old tresspassed into the religious premises of another community, when thats forbidden?

Why is the local muslim leader demanding that the board saying muslims are forbidden from entering the premises be removed and muslims be allowed to enter. What is the interest of muslims in a hindu temple?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What that guy did was abhorrent and he is in jail.

But the question is why did a 14 year old tresspassed into the religious premises of another community, when thats forbidden?

Why is the local muslim leader demanding that the board saying muslims are forbidden from entering the premises be removed and muslims be allowed to enter. What is the interest of muslims in a hindu temple?

Visting other religious places should be encouraged and welcomed. Especially in multi cultural countries like India. Lets be honest a sign isn't going to deter miscreants, they won't read it and turn back, but still the temple put it up just for optics and to cause division.

As long as the visitors respect the surroundings and do not interfere with religious services then I see no need for a ban. I'll be honest, I personally wouldn't enter a hindu temple unless there was a wedding or something because I have no interest in it, being quite honest the statues and artwork give me heebie-jeebies a bit, I am used to more austere and simple religious environments) but I can imagine some might want to look. i have visited Gurdwara and Church though for wedding and to look around respectfully.

I think the young boy entered due to youthful naivety, he thought he would be fine entering a religious establishment to quench his thirst as it would be full of God fearing people, instead he was exposed to brutal violence.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Visting other religious places should be encouraged and welcomed. Especially in multi cultural countries like India. Lets be honest a sign isn't going to deter miscreants, they won't read it and turn back, but still the temple put it up just for optics and to cause division.

As long as the visitors respect the surroundings and do not interfere with religious services then I see no need for a ban. I'll be honest, I personally wouldn't enter a hindu temple unless there was a wedding or something because I have no interest in it, being quite honest the statues and artwork give me heebie-jeebies a bit, I am used to more austere and simple religious environments) but I can imagine some might want to look. i have visited Gurdwara and Church though for wedding and to look around respectfully.

I think the young boy entered due to youthful naivety, he thought he would be fine entering a religious establishment to quench his thirst as it would be full of God fearing people, instead he was exposed to brutal violence.

A temple isnt a public park or public property. Its a hindu place of worship and only believers in the faith are allowed in. There are no ifs or buts and whys about it. Its the right of a religious community to run its religious establishment as per their wishes.

Dasna is a small town, with overwhelming muslim majority and according to the temple authorities, local muslims have made numerous attempts to create trouble in the temple.

Photographs have been posted on the internet, that shows that there is a handpump just meters away from the temple.

After what harassment the temple authorities have faced from the locals, its natural that they suspected that the guy was there to create some mischief. That resulted in the illegal thrashing of that guy.

 

[Abdullah719]

What that guy did was abhorrent and he is in jail.

He is? Not according to this.

GHAZIABAD/ NEW DELHI: Shringi Narayan Yadav, the man who assaulted a 14-year-old boy from the minority community last week in Ghaziabad for entering a temple to drink water, got bail on Tuesday and trended as a hashtag as a section of the Twitterati, among them the IT cell head of BJP in Haryana, lauded him for the act.

But the question is why did a 14 year old tresspassed into the religious premises of another community, when thats forbidden?

The boy, still nursing bruises sustained in the assault and waiting for his X-ray reports, told TOI at his home on Tuesday he had simply gone in on an impulse because he was thirsty.

“I was passing by the area and felt thirsty and seeing the tap inside, I just went in. That’s when they caught me,” he said, adding he had not deciphered the signboard prohibiting people from a specific minority community from entering the temple. He helps his father buy and sell scrap and hasn’t had an education.

“I cannot read and write. I entered the premises unknowingly. There was no one in the vicinity at that time to warn me. Had I known, I would never have entered the temple,” he added.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

A temple isnt a public park or public property. Its a hindu place of worship and only believers in the faith are allowed in. There are no ifs or buts and whys about it. Its the right of a religious community to run its religious establishment as per their wishes.

Dasna is a small town, with overwhelming muslim majority and according to the temple authorities, local muslims have made numerous attempts to create trouble in the temple.

Photographs have been posted on the internet, that shows that there is a handpump just meters away from the temple.

After what harassment the temple authorities have faced from the locals, its natural that they suspected that the guy was there to create some mischief. That resulted in the illegal thrashing of that guy.

Temple authorities seem like the miscreants here and not the kid. I suspect they are making up stories to cover their backs. If the kid was caught misbehaving then perhaps a beating was warranted but he was beaten just for his name.

Lets forget this temple for a minute, I am against the banning of other religions from religious buildings in general. You can maybe prohibit from doing certain things or visiting a certain area but a blanket ban isn't good.

These places should be beacons of tolerance and welcoming. If they remain closed then nobody will have the impulse to learn about other beliefs and our hearts will also close.

I would urge this temple to have an open day, invite their Muslim brothers to come and watch them worship and work together to put these horrible events behind them.

 

[IndoorCricket]

So you think the real question is why the kid was not able to read? Don't you think the question should be why a fat adult starts beating on a kid half his size in a civilised country?

Yes I am more concerned about why the kid is not able to read. And I am also concerned about why he was not able to find drinking water anywhere else? Beating a kid is no way justified and the perpetuator should be punished as deemed fit.

NEM (National Education Mission) is launched for providing basic education and develop capabilities of reading and writing. A subpart of it is Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan which guarantees education as a fundamental right and is an amendment to Indian constitution. This has not reached this kid and I am concerned about that. Don't want another generation go waste without basic education.

There is also the question of why there was no drinking water available for the kid? If temple is the only place he can get water there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Temple authorities seem like the miscreants here and not the kid. I suspect they are making up stories to cover their backs. If the kid was caught misbehaving then perhaps a beating was warranted but he was beaten just for his name.

Lets forget this temple for a minute, I am against the banning of other religions from religious buildings in general. You can maybe prohibit from doing certain things or visiting a certain area but a blanket ban isn't good.

These places should be beacons of tolerance and welcoming. If they remain closed then nobody will have the impulse to learn about other beliefs and our hearts will also close.

I would urge this temple to have an open day, invite their Muslim brothers to come and watch them worship and work together to put these horrible events behind them.

It is fine that in any story you would take side of the person who identify with. My problem is with hindus who don't do the same. A temple is being put in bad light because it does not allow muslims. Imagine that.

Men's club should allow women. Barelwi mosques should allow deobandis. And women should allow men in their restrooms. No one can have a private space because everyone wants access to everything otherwise will throw labels of discrimination.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Temple authorities seem like the miscreants here and not the kid. I suspect they are making up stories to cover their backs. If the kid was caught misbehaving then perhaps a beating was warranted but he was beaten just for his name.

Lets forget this temple for a minute, I am against the banning of other religions from religious buildings in general. You can maybe prohibit from doing certain things or visiting a certain area but a blanket ban isn't good.

These places should be beacons of tolerance and welcoming. If they remain closed then nobody will have the impulse to learn about other beliefs and our hearts will also close.

I would urge this temple to have an open day, invite their Muslim brothers to come and watch them worship and work together to put these horrible events behind them.

1. The teenager was tresspassing on a religious property. A place he is not supposed to enter.

2. The temple authorities have cited FIRs already registered against local muslims regarding previous incidents.

3. There are lots of ways for inter religious meetings than be invited inside religious buildings and functions. Let the sanctity of that be preserved.

 

[CricketCartoons]

It is a state institution which shall be open for everyone. Private institutions are well within their rights to have their own spaces. Pseudo hindus don't get this distinction and think that it is unconstitutional because sickularism.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It is a state institution which shall be open for everyone. Private institutions are well within their rights to have their own spaces. Pseudo hindus don't get this distinction and think that it is unconstitutional because sickularism.

Thats fine. If you and Joshillabhai don't want certain people in your temples then so be it.

I've seen tourists are able to visit temples in India so I thought these places were open for anyone but I guess that it isn't correct.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Thats fine. If you and Joshillabhai don't want certain people in your temples then so be it.

I've seen tourists are able to visit temples in India so I thought these places were open for anyone but I guess that it isn't correct.

Not just because we want it, but people in the temples want it. If some temple authority wants to open their door for other religions, that is also fine. This is what real liberalism is. Wanting every temple to allow muslims is fascism, denying the right to religious private space.

Joshilabhai and me are different. he is an indian first, and likes to get praise from seculars. I am first and last a hindu, and that is my only identity. indian is just an ugly passport I have.

 

[pillionrider]

I'll be honest, I personally wouldn't enter a hindu temple unless there was a wedding or something because I have no interest in it, being quite honest the statues and artwork give me heebie-jeebies a bit, I am used to more austere and simple religious environments) but I can imagine some might want to look. i have visited Gurdwara and Church though for wedding and to look around respectfully.

That must be a very poor and austere church that you visited The churches I've been to, even my school chapel was quite well decorated with tasteful aesthetic looking figures. Maybe they didn't give you the heebie-jeebies because you're not inherently biased towards an Abrahamic faith.

I don't know about Gurudwaras as I've never been to one.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

That must be a very poor and austere church that you visited The churches I've been to, even my school chapel was quite well decorated with tasteful aesthetic looking figures. Maybe they didn't give you the heebie-jeebies because you're not inherently biased towards an Abrahamic faith.

I don't know about Gurudwaras as I've never been to one.

The Anglican ones are a bit more austere than the Catholic churches but both are nothing in comparison to Hindu artwork.

And yes you are quite right its probably due to an inherent bias due to a combination of Abrahamic faith and the fact I've been exposed to church services on TV etc growing up.

Muslims who live in India won't have the same feeling towards a hindu temple as they are exposed to it from childhood.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes I am more concerned about why the kid is not able to read. And I am also concerned about why he was not able to find drinking water anywhere else? Beating a kid is no way justified and the perpetuator should be punished as deemed fit.

NEM (National Education Mission) is launched for providing basic education and develop capabilities of reading and writing. A subpart of it is Sarva Shiksha Abhiyan which guarantees education as a fundamental right and is an amendment to Indian constitution. This has not reached this kid and I am concerned about that. Don't want another generation go waste without basic education.

There is also the question of why there was no drinking water available for the kid? If temple is the only place he can get water there is something fundamentally wrong going on here.

I get your concern about general education of young kids, I'm sure it is a worthy concern. But my concern was really about why adults in India think it is ok to hand out a thrashing to kids half their size. I accept this may be a cultural issue though, so if you want to express your dismay at the level of education instead, fair enough.

 

[pillionrider]

Its a hindu place of worship and only believers in the faith are allowed in. There are no ifs or buts and whys about it. Its the right of a religious community to run its religious establishment as per their wishes.

That's not true. It's been a while, so not sure if something has changed in the last few years but the only temples I've been to where this is specifically true is Guruvayoor and the main temple (Shiva I think) at Rameshwaram. The latter was 3 years back and an old priest was standing saying only Hindus are allowed. I dropped out of my group as by then I was there only for tourism purposes.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I get your concern about general education of young kids, I'm sure it is a worthy concern. But my concern was really about why adults in India think it is ok to hand out a thrashing to kids half their size. I accept this may be a cultural issue though, so if you want to express your dismay at the level of education instead, fair enough.

The kid was 3 odd years from adulthood. If a thief enters your home, you may decide to take action only when he is double your size, and let him go with a warning if half your size. But this is a minor issue. Some may be equal opportunity thrashers, and see the crime and not the size of the criminal. The thrashing was excessive, but the focus should mainly be on why let his situation arise. Let the poor hindus be and worship in privacy. In civilized america they say trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. They don't call the cops if someone is trespassing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's not true. It's been a while, so not sure if something has changed in the last few years but the only temples I've been to where this is specifically true is Guruvayoor and the main temple (Shiva I think) at Rameshwaram. The latter was 3 years back and an old priest was standing saying only Hindus are allowed. I dropped out of my group as by then I was there only for tourism purposes.

It is not strictly enforced because hindus believed in others decency and good faith that non hindus will not enter their holy places as if it is a picnic spot. but with the rise of intolerance against hindus, they have to explicitly mention this to visitors. The mileage may vary.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The place where this incident happened is a muslim majority area. Poor hindus are less than 20%. Poor minorities not even being allowed to practice their religion in privacy. The sell out media will never tell you this.

 

[pillionrider]

It is not strictly enforced because hindus believed in others decency and good faith that non hindus will not enter their holy places as if it is a picnic spot. but with the rise of intolerance against hindus, they have to explicitly mention this to visitors. The mileage may vary.

Maybe Jaggi Vasudev should also practice this and open his Shiva-inspired rave parties to only Hindus. The problem is that the inward-looking Indian philosophies that are conflated with Hinduism are too cool to let go.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The kid was 3 odd years from adulthood. If a thief enters your home, you may decide to take action only when he is double your size, and let him go with a warning if half your size. But this is a minor issue. Some may be equal opportunity thrashers, and see the crime and not the size of the criminal. The thrashing was excessive, but the focus should mainly be on why let his situation arise. Let the poor hindus be and worship in privacy. In civilized america they say trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again. They don't call the cops if someone is trespassing.

False equivalence. Since you have pulled up America as an example, what would really happen in a like for like situation? If a skinny 14 year old illiterate kid was found drinking water from the fountain, the priest would probably bring the kid into the church, give him food and water to drink and perhaps invite the boy to come every day and learn about Christ and maybe get fed.

Is this not a better and more civilised approach? Honey catches more flies than vinegar.

 

[CricketCartoons]

False equivalence. Since you have pulled up America as an example, what would really happen in a like for like situation? If a skinny 14 year old illiterate kid was found drinking water from the fountain, the priest would probably bring the kid into the church, give him food and water to drink and perhaps invite the boy to come every day and learn about Christ and maybe get fed.

Is this not a better and more civilised approach? Honey catches more flies than vinegar.

there was no equivalence to begin with. showing that a civilized country respects defence against trespassers, so an uncivilized country with no law protection, this is understandable.

This is classic victim blaming. a minority community who wants to protect itself from others is being blamed for wanting to practice its religion in privacy, and not offering honey and milk to trespassers who have no business being in the sanctum.

 

[kabbirann]

As a non- hindu, have been to temples many times- had no idea Hindus were harbouring such unwelcoming mindset. Will stay away from now onwards.