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India did from the 36 AO so maybe England can do also?

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Any chance of Joe Root leaving after this test?

Anyways, the series is done. I am sure they will recover and beat the Windies in Windies in their next assignment.
 
Any chance of Joe Root leaving after this test?

Anyways, the series is done. I am sure they will recover and beat the Windies in Windies in their next assignment.

2 more Tests to go - lots to play for in terms of self-respect
 
Any chance of Joe Root leaving after this test?

Anyways, the series is done. I am sure they will recover and beat the Windies in Windies in their next assignment.
lol.

They'll at least drop a Test, wouldn't surprise me if they lose that series.
 
Most Test defeats in a calendar year:

Bangladesh: Nine (from nine Tests in 2003)
England: Nine (from 15 Tests in 2021)
 
No chance that England can recover.

ECB does not produce test batsmen any more.
 
What is there to recover. They've lost the Ashes in spectacular fashion, unlike India who had a meaningful chance of recovering and eventually did so, in possibly the greatest comeback of all-time :stokes
 
What is there to recover. They've lost the Ashes in spectacular fashion, unlike India who had a meaningful chance of recovering and eventually did so, in possibly the greatest comeback of all-time :stokes

Small thing called pride.
 
Back in 2015, they got knocked out from the World Cup. They turned it around won the World Cup next time.

Therefore, they can definitely recover. But, they may have to make many changes.
 
Nobody looks to compete apart from Root and Anderson. Stokes is mentally not there its obvious
 
I'd be surprised if England win even one test. England usually just fold once the going gets tough and Root as captain is far from a guy who can inspire this team into fighting back. If anything I see 2 more humiliations coming, maybe not this bad, but one sided contests.
 
Any chance of Joe Root leaving after this test?

Anyways, the series is done. I am sure they will recover and beat the Windies in Windies in their next assignment.

Better England teams have gone to WI and struggled to win (which is strange). So don't bet on that.
 
The technical ability of most of the England batsmen is absent, can't expect a comeback when the Australian bowlers are in such hot form.

England need a gnarled, old - perhaps a bit nasty - captain with the same leadership style as Graham Gooch or Nasser Hussain. Joe Root and Ben Stokes are not such individuals.
 
No and I think they deserve it completely after how they used and binned Pakistan.
 
Any chance of Joe Root leaving after this test?

Anyways, the series is done. I am sure they will recover and beat the Windies in Windies in their next assignment.

england have won 1 series in carribean in very long time. Despite how poor WI have been they have still be a match for england at home.
 
English county is too favoured towards dibbly dobbly medium pacers who make the most out of the damp over cast conditions. For starters, the ECB needs to make more flatter wickets to ensure bowlers are pushed to bowl faster, longer spells
 
England really missed a healthy Joffra Archer. It definitely wouldn't have tipped the scales their way but it would have given them an edge
 
https://www.skysports.com/cricket/news/16374/12505157/ashes-panel-rob-key-says-chris-silverwood-looks-out-of-his-depth-as-england-head-coach

Head coach Chris Silverwood is in the firing line after England's painful Ashes series defeat - and he was not spared on the latest Sky Sports Cricket Podcast.

Rob Key believes Silverwood - whose side have lost nine of their last 12 Tests - has looked "out of his depth" having been asked to take on the dual role of coach and national selector.

Nasser Hussain feels the former Essex coach is "incredibly vulnerable", while Michael Atherton says he would be surprised if Silverwood survives in the wake of an Ashes tour that is spiralling out of control.

ROB KEY - Silverwood looks out of his depth
"In interviews, with decisions and everything that has happened, Silverwood looks so out of his depth.

"When [managing director of cricket] Ashley Giles turned round to him and said, 'I am getting rid of Ed Smith as national selector, you are now in charge of everything', I hope he got paid well!

"It put him in a position he is just not capable of. I don't know many coaches that would have been capable of it.

"You probably needed one of the most astute, one of the blokes with the most amount of credibility, who knew more about Test cricket, particular, than anyone else

"The captain, Joe Root, needed help, was crying out for help, and I don't think Silverwood has been that man at any stage.

"Some of this did happen when Ed Smith was a selector, don't get me wrong, but Silverwood is so out of his depth.

"With a coach, it's about what a captain needs. Eoin Morgan is fine with a Silverwood because Morgan is brilliant leader.

"I would love to see how Root would get on with a Ricky Ponting, a Mahela Jayawardene, a Gary Kirsten, a Stephen Fleming. Someone who knows the game inside out."

NASSER HUSSAIN - Some decisions have been shocking
"When England went down the rotation policy at the start of the year, Athers sat on one of our podcasts and said let's judge Silverwood by results at the end of year.

"Well, England have lost nine Test matches, their worst-ever year. Those results speak for themselves so I think he is incredibly vulnerable.

"Also, are cricketers getting better under this set-up or are they getting worse? I definitely don't see them getting better, especially in the batting.

"When you take on that role as head selector and the accountability stops at your door, you had better make sure you win games and make good decisions. Some of the decisions have been shocking.

"Australia have played the right side throughout. England are selecting the right sides but at the wrong venues. The decision making on this tour has been abysmal - and not just on this tour.

"You go back to Ahmedabad against India earlier this year with four seamers under lights and then 28 of the 30 wickets fell to spin and the game was over in two days. There is a history of errors with decisions.

"You go back to Lord's against New Zealand in June when there was a full house and the potential of a run chase, yet Root and Silverwood felt we were not good enough to even try to chase a score down. That tells you something about where this team thinks they are mentally.

"There are mitigating circumstances. England play more Test cricket than anyone else and the coach does, in Covid times, need to look after the mental wellbeing of his players.

"He has done that and I applaud him for that but it has left him in a very precarious position. We all know you are judged on results and performances and both have been shocking this year."

MICHAEL ATHERTON - Hard to see Silverwood surviving
"I can't see a situation where Silverwood will survive this tour. All the responsibility lies with him as that's the way Giles has set things up.

"Previously you had the national selector and that responsibility was slightly diffused. You didn't quite know who to blame as you had the captain, the coach and the national selector.

"But the way Giles has set things up, there is only one man to blame, even though there are deeper issues than the blame game.

"The danger now is you go down this football route. If you pile all the responsibility and accountability on one man then if and when things go wrong, that is what will happen.

"That's what happens in football, where you get this merry-go-round of losing managers every time there is a downturn in results. I think that is an unhealthy situation to have.

"As I say, I don't think Silverwood will survive this tour but I think it was a strategic mistake to make the change Giles made by getting ride of a national selector and loading all this responsibility onto one man.

"I think there is an absence of authority more generally at the ECB. It's an ECB without a chairman and they have one or two issues off the field which have been well-publicised.

"Now the downturn in The Ashes is throwing a spotlight on the authority at the heart of the England team with Silverwood, Root, who is at the end of his cycle, and Giles, who is making the strategic decisions.

"I think there are real problems at the heart of the ECB with what you might call the authority - or the lack of authority."
 
English county is too favoured towards dibbly dobbly medium pacers who make the most out of the damp over cast conditions. For starters, the ECB needs to make more flatter wickets to ensure bowlers are pushed to bowl faster, longer spells

You cant produced flat wickets when the county championship is played in April/may and september. The major issue is all the white ball cricket takes priority in the middle of the summer so the 4 day game isnt being helped. ECB like every other cricket board just cares about money and getting crowds in, not in developing test cricketers.
 
You cant produced flat wickets when the county championship is played in April/may and september. The major issue is all the white ball cricket takes priority in the middle of the summer so the 4 day game isnt being helped. ECB like every other cricket board just cares about money and getting crowds in, not in developing test cricketers.

In the long term it will begin to affect all of their cricket. Four day cricket is where cricketers learn their game. I see English cricket going through a massive slump in the next decade if this carries on. And this time I'm not sure they will get out of it easily.
 
Andrew Strauss was a massively under rated leader. Look at his resume ie beating SA in SA, beating Australia in Australia, beating Sri Lanka in Sri Lanka
 
What is the definition of recover in this context?

ECB were too busy dealing with the woke racism allegations in the run up to the Ashes instead of picking the right team and focusing on the Ashes.

Head Coach needs to go, who in their right mind drops Broad on matches played on green tops?

Root is a disastrous captain. Cannot rally his troops, bum-fluff look, no aggression, too woke, and can’t persuade head coach of team selection HE thinks fit.

England rely too much on stats, Moneyball says hello.

Buttler tried and tested failure in Tests, but cos he’s biily mates with Root, he gets to play.

Bairstow and Buttler in the same match? Both tried and tested wicketkeeper batsmen failures in Tests.

Blaming bubbles and mental fatigue. Yes only England players suffered - NOT!

Moaning homes side (Australia) had played more domestic matches - er hello, this is known as home side advantage. Grow up.

ECB pull Stokes out of mental heath issues; prematurely, clearly. Send him back to NZ cos ECB were desperate to have him.

Too many tattoos, hair styles, and beards - get rid of the lot, this isn’t Vogue.

Dump these lot, the lot of them, including Root. Baby boy isn’t cut for a man’s game.
 
England players need to change their attitude , they need to understand that they are playing Test Match.

Also , need to get in and groom couple of solid spinners.
 
England will get whitewashed 5-0 in this series, but they can recover long term if the correct people are culled in January and the right decisions are made in general.
 
Drop Joe Root, the one guy who's making any runs in this sorry batting lineup.

I've heard it all now.
 
In the long term it will begin to affect all of their cricket. Four day cricket is where cricketers learn their game. I see English cricket going through a massive slump in the next decade if this carries on. And this time I'm not sure they will get out of it easily.

I agree 100% 4 day cricket is the foundation of all other cricket to be built from. 18 counties has always been to many but that cant really be changed, but how league is structured, when it is played can be. NZC said that they changed their pitches a few years ago and put more focus on domestic game and thats why they are doing well again, england need to follow that example. Instead they have T20 blast and the 100, which means that most UK crickets simply wont be to fussed if they dont play much 4 day games now.
 
I agree 100% 4 day cricket is the foundation of all other cricket to be built from. 18 counties has always been to many but that cant really be changed, but how league is structured, when it is played can be. NZC said that they changed their pitches a few years ago and put more focus on domestic game and thats why they are doing well again, england need to follow that example. Instead they have T20 blast and the 100, which means that most UK crickets simply wont be to fussed if they dont play much 4 day games now.

There will be 6 rounds of county championship in June/July next year.
 
India came back from 36 all-out to win the series with their B team.

Not only will England not be doing that but I don't see them winning a single test. Their batsmen simply aren't good enough (some aren't good at all). While their bowlers don't nearly look as threatening outside England.

Time for England to introspect. Because clearly the issue is not guys not getting enough chances (particularly the batsmen). Just that most of them are absolutely rubbish.
 
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England's humiliating performance just goes to show you how remarkable India's last two performances in Australia actually were. It's one country where no team besides India has been able to bring a very dominant home side to their knees, in recent memory.

Would be interested to see how South Africa do there since they won in 2016. But personally, don't think they have the batting depth to win there anymore.
 
After multiple fruitless Ashes tours throughout the 2000s and 2010s, Cricket Australia introduced the Dukes ball into the Sheffield Shield in a bid to better prepare players for the mysteries that awaited in the UK.

The move away from the Kookaburra for half the season, the brainchild of former performance chief Pat Howard, was not universally popular but even the idea's harshest critics would concede it was at least a small factor in Australia's improved performance during the 2019 Ashes tour.

It was not a series win but the 2-2 draw was a vast improvement on previous attempts to win in 2015 (3-2 to England, though the series was clinched by the hosts with a Test to spare), 2013 (3-0 England) and 2009 (2-1 England).

Now, with Joe Root's men having slumped to their third consecutive Ashes tour defeat in a humiliating third-morning batting display, former Australia captain Ricky Ponting believes it is time for the shoe to be put on the other foot.

Australia's all-time leading Test run scorer believes the current group of tourists make up the worst England team he has seen down under.

"I don't think I've seen a worse-performing team in Australia than what I've seen over the last three games," Ponting told cricket.com.au.

He is not the first to call for change to England's domestic program.

Issues over when four-day cricket is played, the standard of pitches, a disconnect between counties and the national governing body as well the balance of multiple short-format tournaments have been widely identified as barriers for producing Test-ready cricketers.

David Warner has even suggested England's batters should practice more on synthetic wickets in training to prepare for the extra bounce in Australia.

But Ponting believes the introduction of the Kookaburra ball in county cricket, combined with a greater focus on preparing pitches that more closely resemble those used for Tests, could be a helpful first step.

"We've been through this in Australia," said Ponting. "You wind the clock back a few years ago when we had our struggles in England, we changed conditions, we changed the ball, we changed everything because we were poor in those conditions.

"England might need to have a look at how they can make their conditions more suitable to ours.

"They play well in England still but they don't play well when they come here – so maybe they play more with the Kookaburra ball.

"Maybe they flatten the wickets out a little bit so there's not as much swing and seam, so the batters are making bigger scores and batting for longer periods of time.

"It might be the exact same blip that (Australia) had to have three or four years ago."

Ponting said the quality of England's batting is of particular concern.

Joe Root has piled on 1,708 runs at 61 over the past 12 months – the third-most runs scored in a calendar year in Test history – but their skipper aside, England have had an abysmal year with the bat.

Only Dawid Malan (308 runs at 34.22 this year) has averaged more than 30 in 2021 with the likes of Zac Crawley (173 runs at 10.81), Haseeb Hameed (205 runs at 18.85) and Ollie Pope (368 runs at 21.64) all struggling before and during the ongoing Ashes series.

Even Ben Stokes (304 runs at 21.71) has struggled.

Ponting stressed it is becoming too familiar a script after winless series in 2013-14 (5-0 Australia) and 2017-18 (4-0).

"Some of the English top-order batters that I've seen in the last couple of tours, without giving names, there's some techniques there that I just know are not going to stand up at Test level," he said.

"In challenging conditions and world-class bowlers up against sub-standard techniques, then you get what happened today (at the MCG).

"The little swing dibbly-dobblers that are getting them out over there (in county cricket), they're not facing that at Test level.

"They're facing guys who can actually bowl.

"What I've seen with their batting, they're just simply not good enough."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/wor...onditions-county-changes-australia/2021-12-29
 
5 nil to the Aussies now. England will be devastated being hammered like this by the old enemy. Even Pak could have done better.
 
Lol Pakistanis trying to equate their abysmal record in Australia with England.
Poms have won a series there and a few test matches.
Pakistan have won zilch since 1995 and were the worst bowling unit to tour to Australia in this decade.
 
Lol Pakistanis trying to equate their abysmal record in Australia with England.
Poms have won a series there and a few test matches.
Pakistan have won zilch since 1995 and were the worst bowling unit to tour to Australia in this decade.

England with having the second best finances in the game, having the county cricket structure has zero reasons to have such an abysmal record in Australia.
 
I’m sorry but this side is full of complete lightweights. There was a time when the English test side contained names like Cook, Strauss, Pieterson, Trott, Bell, Flintoff, Swann etc etc. Players who had achieved something in their lives and had shown world class talent.

Rory who? Hameed who? Ollie who? Even Malan is just a side piece, despite glimpses of potential in this series.

Root is the only one in the whole line up who can be classed as a proper test match batsman, and unfortunately for England, Root isn’t the best in the World where he can just conjure up centuries when his team really needs them.

The rest of the team are school boys and the only way that works is if your main one or two batsmen are something spectacular. Think Inzi and MoYo surrounded by useless batters like Hameed and Farhat. Think Sangakarra and Jaywardene surrounded by equally useless players. Heck even Younus and Misbah fit in this boat. If your main one or two batters can regularly put up big centuries, it covers the cracks in the rest of the useless lineup. If however you are Root, who is not as consistent as any of the above, then that’s a big problem in an otherwise useless team.

Yes Stokes is capable of miracles, but if you’re relying on Stokes as your second main batsman, you’ve got problems. The team of the 2000s/2010 I mentioned above would have never relied on Flintoff as their second main batsman.

It’s easy to blame Silverwood in this situation, but unfortunately the problem is much deeper than him. He can’t magic up test match batsmen out of thin air! Something is clearly structurally wrong with English cricket right now - whether it’s too heavy focus on white ball cricket, the lure of t20 leagues, the bad quality county pitches, the fact that the First Class game is shunted to the worst part of the season - perhaps it’s a combination of all these factors.
 
England with having the second best finances in the game, having the county cricket structure has zero reasons to have such an abysmal record in Australia.
Winning abroad is really hard. So do Australia but they have not won much in Sub Continent.
And I can tell you Australian crowd and media are the 12th man here. They will hound and get you before the team does.
But they have won a series at least.
 
In other words Pakistan should be the last team you should bring on the table to mock England for their performance...

I should so. It worst Pak would have lost 3-0 to Aussies inside 12 days or something.
 
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