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[VIDEO] Indian Muslims on being called Pakistanis

Nice to see the response by Indian Muslims, like all communities they have given India so much, best Muslims in the world.
 
JaDed said:
Nice to see the response by Indian Muslims, like all communities they have given India so much, best Muslims in the world.
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They're complaining about being called Pakistanis, you don't condemn that but instead pat them on the back for reasserting their loyalty to India lol. That's part of the problem.
 
Pakistanian said:
They're complaining about being called Pakistanis, you don't condemn that but instead pat them on the back for reasserting their loyalty to India lol. That's part of the problem.
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I don't care about what Americans think about India's issues.
 
JaDed said:
Nice to see the response by Indian Muslims, like all communities they have given India so much, best Muslims in the world.
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You are one of the posters who calls spade a spade. Dont fall prey to hollow nationalism. Look at what the real problem is rather than circumventing it and seeing what you want.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Jaded is turning into joshila bhai it seems.
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Guess on reasoning with a certain American poster I realized reasoning doesn't work,although tbf we have a British version of the same poster that swings it other way.

Madplayer said:
You are one of the posters who calls spade a spade. Dont fall prey to hollow nationalism. Look at what the real problem is rather than circumventing it and seeing what you want.
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I already acknowledged its an issue post #7 but why would I not be proud of their answers.
 
It’s shameful that Muslims have to face this Pakistani comment everyday.

In our own country, Muslims tend to live in separate areas. Every city and town has its Muslim dominated areas. This leads to suspicion and lack of trust. News channels blast about Islamic terrorism and that does not help the trust between Indian Muslims and rest of Indians.

Politicians totally exploit the mistrust and spread rumors about how Hindus are going to get Muslims or how Muslims are hatching plans to kill Hindus.

Very sad situation. When Christians can live among Hindus with no problem, why can’t Muslims. There are no Christian dominated areas in cities and towns.
 
We don't want to call them Indians and they don't want to be called Pakistanis. Hope people realize that Partition 2.0 is the only solution. The final solution. Q-e-A was right. Hindus and Muslims can't live together.
 
Among the indian muslims i meet in America, I'd say a most do consider themselves indian but they still identify as Muslim first and a sizable minority don't identify as indian. It's still more than Sikh Americans.
 
Pakistanian said:
Among the indian muslims i meet in America, I'd say a most do consider themselves indian but they still identify as Muslim first and a sizable minority don't identify as indian. It's still more than Sikh Americans.
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By the same token, there are a significant minority of Hindu Brahmins living in the West who don't identify with India anymore as they feel the country has betrayed them.
 
pillionrider said:
By the same token, there are a significant minority of Hindu Brahmins living in the West who don't identify with India anymore as they feel the country has betrayed them.
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You're right. India is over as a nation, it's only a matter of time before it becomes the next yugoslavia :misbah3
 
hafeezrocks said:
Always pity Indian Muslims as the unlucky ones who couldn't catch the train to Pakistan.
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Always wish that there had never been a train to Pakistan, then all Muslims in India could have learned to love the joy of living as a minority. Then they could have joined their fellow Indians in hating Afghanistan instead.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Always wish that there had never been a train to Pakistan, then all Muslims in India could have learned to love the joy of living as a minority. Then they could have joined their fellow Indians in hating Afghanistan instead.
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Then there would be 1 muslim out of 3 indians. Muslims wouldnt be minority but ruling the entire subcontinent.
 
CricketCartoons is the most wily Hindutva on this site. He recognises that only via partition can the Muslim malaise be kept at bay from stunting India's progress. Puts the rest of the 'call a spade a spade' Indians to shame.
 
I equally despise being called an "Indian" seeing is a a massive insult! The reply from my side is always a hostile one. I attend many Pakistani events and gatherings and have never seen any Pakistani lay claim to Indian Muslim's as being from among us! We don't at all need or want them. The charge off them being called "Pakistanis" is from their own people, not us. The fact that they share my faith makes absolutely no difference to me at all.
 
PakLFC said:
I equally despise being called an "Indian" seeing is a a massive insult! The reply from my side is always a hostile one. I attend many Pakistani events and gatherings and have never seen any Pakistani lay claim to Indian Muslim's as being from among us! We don't at all need or want them. The charge off them being called "Pakistanis" is from their own people, not us. The fact that they share my faith makes absolutely no difference to me at all.
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Please post your pic at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?24339-The-NEW-post-pictures-of-yourself-thread

so that we can investigate why someone would mistake you for an indian. Maybe you don't look pakistani.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Please post your pic at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?24339-The-NEW-post-pictures-of-yourself-thread

so that we can investigate why someone would mistake you for an indian. Maybe you don't look pakistani.
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Coz most white people in particular think that all brown people are from the same country! I look very Pakistani, we are much better looking then Indian Muslim's no doubt about it. Neighbours are often confused for each other. Many think Caribbean-African, Aus-NZ, Europeans, Arab's and Canadian-Americans are the same until they are told. It is common in the west for Pakistanis and Indian's to be mistaken as the other.
 
PakLFC said:
Coz most white people in particular think that all brown people are from the same country! I look very Pakistani, we are much better looking then Indian Muslim's no doubt about it. Neighbours are often confused for each other. Many think Caribbean-African, Aus-NZ, Europeans, Arab's and Canadian-Americans are the same until they are told. It is common in the west for Pakistanis and Indian's to be mistaken as the other.
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I like how your signature and location correlate so well bro. Keep up the good work.
 
Few days ago Asaduddin Owaisi demanded a law for punishing those who call Indian muslims Pakistanis. I have seen this in real myself so OP is not fake or far from reality.
 
Refering to Indian muslims as Pakistanis must be a typically Delhiite thing. But then this apology of a capital city and some of its its half-witted denizens even refer to North-Eastern Indians as Nepalis and make fun of South Indians for their dark complexion.


I have been all over India, and even grew up in Hyderabad, where one fourth of the population is Muslim. I have never seen anyone refer to any Indian muslim as a Pakistani.
 
Delhi is a mess I agree. Haryanvis and Biharis have ruined this beautiful shahar.
 
pillionrider said:
By the same token, there are a significant minority of Hindu Brahmins living in the West who don't identify with India anymore as they feel the country has betrayed them.
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I am a Hindu Brahmin living in the West, and have met and known hundreds of Hindu Brahmins living in the West. While we have our issues with the way things are in India, none of us ever stopped identifying ourselves as Indian, or ever will.

I wonder where you got this ** from.

Attributing every bit of disillusionment among Indians with India as an active movement of secession from the Indian Republic is something that is better left to some of our imaginative neighbours in the North West. Going by the same argument, they should have turned into Yugoslavia a long time ago.
 
It is not funny. Minority in Pakistan is not demanding their separate lands. They are still considered as Pakistani and those minority consider themselves as Pakistanis as well. As for Indian Muslims, they are questioned for loyalty due to religion. Does India want repeat of Pakistan? History should be given benefit of doubt not to repeat the history. If history repeats, then it is as it will be written as history recommended.
 
USHK said:
It is not funny. Minority in Pakistan is not demanding their separate lands. They are still considered as Pakistani and those minority consider themselves as Pakistanis as well. As for Indian Muslims, they are questioned for loyalty due to religion. Does India want repeat of Pakistan? History should be given benefit of doubt not to repeat the history. If history repeats, then it is as it will be written as history recommended.
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Erm last I checked minorities from Pakistan were actually fleeing from their country. Ever heard of India granting citizenship to Hindu and Sikh refugees from Pakistan?
 
TM Riddle said:
Erm last I checked minorities from Pakistan were actually fleeing from their country. Ever heard of India granting citizenship to Hindu and Sikh refugees from Pakistan?
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When was the last time a Muslim from India went over to Pakistan?
 
gani999 said:
I wonder where you got this ** from.
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Let me just say I know :)

gani999 said:
I am a Hindu Brahmin living in the West, and have met and known hundreds of Hindu Brahmins living in the West. While we have our issues with the way things are in India, none of us ever stopped identifying ourselves as Indian, or ever will.
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Think I should clarify that I mean the country India, not Indian nationality.
 
Indian Muslims are Indians they are none of our concern , I am also indifferent to them.
 
chacha kashmiri said:
And mohajirs especially in Karachi have they prospered in Pakistan du think?
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They must have. One generally hear good things about the Mohajir community and its role in the overall economic development of state of Pakistan.
Why u askin thou?
 
IF you actually hear what Hindu Pakistanis have to go through, Indian Muslims would find themselves blessed. One of our older neighbour was Hindu Pakistani and the stories he told about the experiences him, his family,his sisters, his community went through, my heart just sank. Being called Indian was the nicest thing he heard. No wonder why Pakistani Hindus and Ahmedis are leaving Pakistan and their numbers dropping significantly. Compare that to Indian Muslims.
 
TM Riddle said:
They must have. One generally hear good things about the Mohajir community and its role in the overall economic development of state of Pakistan.
Why u askin thou?
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I don’t know much about the situation
I only ever really visit Rawalpindi or Kashmir

Just want to see whether the initial vision of Pakistan has been realised and whether the next vision of secularism and the annexation of KP with FATA is due or not
 
rahulrulezz said:
IF you actually hear what Hindu Pakistanis have to go through, Indian Muslims would find themselves blessed. One of our older neighbour was Hindu Pakistani and the stories he told about the experiences him, his family,his sisters, his community went through, my heart just sank. Being called Indian was the nicest thing he heard. No wonder why Pakistani Hindus and Ahmedis are leaving Pakistan and their numbers dropping significantly. Compare that to Indian Muslims.
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One of my neighbours was Indian Muslim and the stories he told about India, my God... I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through that.







See how easy it is to make ** over the internet.
 
Syed1 said:
One of my neighbours was Indian Muslim and the stories he told about India, my God... I wouldn't want even my worst enemy to go through that.







See how easy it is to make ** over the internet.
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Except that Indian Muslims aren't itching to leave or run away from India. Sadly same couldn't be said about Pakistan where there have been reports of Hindus fleeing to the neighboring Indian states such as Rajasthan or arriving on tourist visas on pretext of visiting a holy site and refusing to move back citing persecution reasons.
Oh and this isn't made up. Loads of articles on internet on this issue. But of course everything is a giant conspiracy to you lot therefore I don't expect you to believe any of that.
 
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TM Riddle said:
Except that Indian Muslims aren't itching to leave or run away from India. Sadly same couldn't be said about Pakistan where there have been reports of Hindus fleeing to the neighboring Indian states such as Rajasthan or arriving on tourist visas on pretext of visiting a holy site and refusing to move back citing persecution reasons.
Oh and this isn't made up. Loads of articles on internet on this issue. But of course everything is a giant conspiracy to you lot therefore I don't expect you to believe any of that.
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Funny you say that, because not just Muslims but Hindus and everyone else is itching to leave India... :)))



Also stop watching NDTv.
 
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Syed1 said:
This is from world bank report


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Those living in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones :shh
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Nice to see you shifting goalposts to divert the attention from the more pertinent issue at hand my Mohajir friend.
And it's kinda ironic to watch you post such figures while sitting in Canada yourselves. Wah Mere Sher!
 
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gani999 said:
Refering to Indian muslims as Pakistanis must be a typically Delhiite thing. But then this apology of a capital city and some of its its half-witted denizens even refer to North-Eastern Indians as Nepalis and make fun of South Indians for their dark complexion.


I have been all over India, and even grew up in Hyderabad, where one fourth of the population is Muslim. I have never seen anyone refer to any Indian muslim as a Pakistani.
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In Mumbai areas with more Muslim households are derisively referred to as mini-Pakistan so don't know what you're spouting on about.
 
TM Riddle said:
Nice to see you shifting goalposts to divert the attention from the more pertinent issue at hand my Mohajir friend.
And it's kinda ironic to watch you post such figures while sitting in Canada yourselves. Wah Mere Sher!
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You and your compatriots are the ones that shifted the goalpost by attacking Pakistan when the thread is about India. Don't blame me for showing you the mirror.
 
chacha kashmiri said:
And mohajirs especially in Karachi have they prospered in Pakistan du think?
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Well they've made karachi from little more than a fishing village to Pakistan's financial capital so I'm guessing they prospered
 
TM Riddle said:
Delhi is a mess I agree. Haryanvis and Biharis have ruined this beautiful shahar.
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In internet I always see people bashing Delhi, UP and Punjab as if they are only areas with problems in India as if without them india would be a first world country. Your thoughts?
 
Syed1 said:
You and your compatriots are the ones that shifted the goalpost by attacking Pakistan when the thread is about India. Don't blame me for showing you the mirror.
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Well your not so innocent compatriots started the mudslinging first by calling Indian Muslims submissive and oppressed and how minorities in Islamic Republic of Pakistan are treated comparatively better. I merely showed them the true picture by pointing out that Indian Muslims weren't dying to leave the country to migrate to Pakistan and on the contrary reverse was true wrt Hindus in Pak .
But please by all means continue the mirror showing programme.
 
Delhi. If Pakistanis posting here only knew what that city was like... ::J
 
Sad to see that Muslims in India have to face this discrimination. I belong to a minority as well and understand what they go through. Talking about emigration, I too want to migrate - for better prospects and easier life. Thanks for the data [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION]. I see that your family too moved from Pakistan to make the stats worse (in your opinion) for your country.

Unfortunately, Pakistan is a nightmare for minorities and its laughable seeing Pakistanis pity on Indian Muslims. Of course they've been advised by Indian Muslims not to do so, but they never learn.
 
Slog said:
In internet I always see people bashing Delhi, UP and Punjab as if they are only areas with problems in India as if without them india would be a first world country. Your thoughts?
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Well they are true to some extent. I mean of course the part about becoming a first world Nation is laughably false but yes Northern states are real pain in the behind and hindrance to the overall development of the Nation. And even among them situation remains quite bleak in states such as Bihar and UP which are massively overpopulated (more than many countries of Europe) and with the rampant unemployment , poverty and sorry infrastructure the social , economic and political development of these states have been languishing at the bottom for some decades now. Thus in search of better work , they migrate to comparatively well off states and form ghettos there which leads to increase in crime.
 
This is a fun little video that I came across a few days ago:

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Slog said:
In Mumbai areas with more Muslim households are derisively referred to as mini-Pakistan so don't know what you're spouting on about.
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Funny incident about Mumbai. When I visited the City for the first time , we were in a city bus and it passed through a Muslim locality. Now the whole area had small crescent moon and stars flags tied to small threads over balconies. I was absolutely baffled (from afar they looked like Pakistani flags) and was like how hell has Shiv Sena allowed all of this stuff in open. Later on my friend told me they had religious significance and had nothing to do with Pakistan. LOL.
 
Funny how a lot of Indians make it a Delhi/UP/Bihar thing. :))

I live in Mumbai and am from Bangalore and both are one of the dirtiest cities (Mumbai stinks most) in the country and no different from most of the cities I have lived in India when it comes to religious discrimination.
 
TM Riddle said:
Funny incident about Mumbai. When I visited the City for the first time , we were in a city bus and it passed through a Muslim locality. Now the whole area had small crescent moon and stars flags tied to small threads over balconies. I was absolutely baffled (from afar they looked like Pakistani flags) and was like how hell has Shiv Sena allowed all of this stuff in open. Later on my friend told me they had religious significance and had nothing to do with Pakistan. LOL.
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And my friend here shares a cute little snippet while completely ignoring that Mumbai has had the deadliest Hindu-Muslim riots in post-Independence India which actually led to Hindus and Muslims living separately. Hence the 'mini-Pakistans' there.

That also answers your question. [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]
 
The Indian muslims are really in a catch 22 situation. They know they are considered the inferior lot in India but they still want to be subservient yet pretent they are equals to have a sense of dignity. This Charade is being made difficult to continue for them by Hindu extremists now who are continuously showing them their real place in the country. There only so much a community can take and like i have said many times before, i expect a big communal riot in India in the next few years.
 
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Madplayer said:
The Indian muslims are really in a catch 22 situation. They know they are considered the inferior lot in India but they still want to be subservient yet pretent they are equals to have a sense of dignity. This Charade is being made difficult to continue for them by Hindu extremists now who are continuously showing them their real place in the country. There only so much a community can take and like i have said many times before, i expect a big communal riot in India in the next few years.
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Sure, if the Indian Muslims reside in the daily newspaper's 'Sensational Crime' section. However, they don't. They care as much about religion as the next person and get on with their lives - making money, going to the mosque and celebrating Ramadan with delicious haleem every year.
 
Varun said:
Sure, if the Indian Muslims reside in the daily newspaper's 'Sensational Crime' section. However, they don't. They care as much about religion as the next person and get on with their lives - making money, going to the mosque and celebrating Ramadan with delicious haleem every year.
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Yes, i also meant they are trying their best to be good Indians.
 
Madplayer said:
The Indian muslims are really in a catch 22 situation. They know they are considered the inferior lot in India but they still want to be subservient yet pretent they are equals to have a sense of dignity. This Charade is being made difficult to continue for them by Hindu extremists now who are continuously showing them their real place in the country. There only so much a community can take and like i have said many times before, i expect a big communal riot in India in the next few years.
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Such a shame you have to face this sort of discrimination while living in India. But trust me my friend , I do not consider you in any way inferior than me. We are all brothers afterall.
 
Madplayer said:
Yes, i also meant they are trying their best to be good Indians.
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Which isn't hard to do at all. Take me for instance, the laziest guy you'd ever meet. I don't 'try' at all, and most would consider me to be a 'good Indian'. Can't be and isn't too hard for Indian Muslims either, unless of course, you zoom in and fixate on the horror story of the day in the aforementioned crime section in the Times of India.

Too much is made of religion. Nearly all Indian Muslims lead normal lives, work jobs and earn money while having opinions on politics and sport like the rest of us. Surely they aren't prepping for a "communal riot in the next few years" as you proclaim.
 
TM Riddle said:
Such a shame you have to face this sort of discrimination while living in India. But trust me my friend , I do not consider you in any way inferior than me. We are all brothers afterall.
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Kashmiris dont face this kind of discrimination unless they travel to India. And in case of Kashmiris, its more than religious discrimination.
 
Varun said:
Which isn't hard to do at all. Take me for instance, the laziest guy you'd ever meet. I don't 'try' at all, and most would consider me to be a 'good Indian'. Can't be and isn't too hard for Indian Muslims either, unless of course, you zoom in and fixate on the horror story of the day in the aforementioned crime section in the Times of India.

Too much is made of religion. Nearly all Indian Muslims lead normal lives, work jobs and earn money while having opinions on politics and sport like the rest of us. Surely they aren't prepping for a "communal riot in the next few years" as you proclaim.
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Nobody preps for a riot. It brews up over time and finally needs a little trigger from a few idiots. A snowball effect follows. People follow their normal lives before it happens but there is always tension in the air.

You could put a blindfold on your eyes and think all is good but the general wave of communalism which India finds itself engulfed in is real but if you are lazy as you yourself said, you are probably lazy enough not to have a hard look at it.
 
Madplayer said:
Nobody preps for a riot. It brews up over time and finally needs a little trigger from a few idiots. A snowball effect follows. People follow their normal lives before it happens but there is always tension in the air.

You could put a blindfold on your eyes and think all is good but the general wave of communalism which India finds itself engulfed in is real but if you are lazy as you yourself said, you are probably lazy enough not to have a hard look at it.
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By that proviso, anything can happen anywhere. Me and the rest of middle-class India fed up with paying taxes and receiving 21 hours of power and broken roads and polluted air could riot. It will start with a few idiots, then snowball to include us.

That in effect is your argument. It's paranoia.
 
Varun said:
By that proviso, anything can happen anywhere. Me and the rest of middle-class India fed up with paying taxes and receiving 21 hours of power and broken roads and polluted air could riot. It will start with a few idiots, then snowball to include us.

That in effect is your argument. It's paranoia.
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Thats a very strange thing what you have said there because it would make us indifferent towards any development anywhere. "Anything can happen anywhere".

Anyway, This is not "anything" i am talking about. Have there been serious riots/civil war kind of incidents in India in past based on heavy taxes or poor roads? I suppose not. Have there been serious religious conflicts in India before? Numerous. So there are precedents and tendencies. And i think you would agree with me that religion or sense of religious opression makes people crazier than any other thing.
 
People who migrated at the time of partition were the cream of the crop of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. Whoever stayed back in India were either too lazy or didn't had the courage to believe in their own abilities to prosper on their without familial and tribal connections. I don't feel bad about Indian muslims at all. They should all be called Pakistanis by Hindu Indians day and night so they and their ancestors learn to understand what fools they turned out to be.
 
saadibaba said:
People who migrated at the time of partition were the cream of the crop of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. Whoever stayed back in India were either too lazy or didn't had the courage to believe in their own abilities to prosper on their without familial and tribal connections. I don't feel bad about Indian muslims at all. They should all be called Pakistanis by Hindu Indians day and night so they and their ancestors learn to understand what fools they turned out to be.
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As per you, those who had courage to believe in their own abilities to prosper are in Pakistan. What have they achieved to prove Indian Muslims wrong? Remind me of the prosperity that Indian Muslims missed out on.
 
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Slog said:
In Mumbai areas with more Muslim households are derisively referred to as mini-Pakistan so don't know what you're spouting on about.
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Really? Have you ever been to Mumbai and do you know what the place is like?

I happen to visit the place every year and know it very well. I can assure you that nobody ever calls those Muslim areas mini-Pakistan.

Don't believe what you read on the internet, and even if you do, please spare the lecture. I happen to know Mumbai only too well.

I don't lecture to you about Karachi, do I ?
 
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People who migrated at the time of partition were the cream of the crop of Muslims in the Indian subcontinent. Whoever stayed back in India were either too lazy or didn't had the courage to believe in their own abilities to prosper on their without familial and tribal connections. I don't feel bad about Indian muslims at all. They should all be called Pakistanis by Hindu Indians day and night so they and their ancestors learn to understand what fools they turned out to be.
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Elite muslims betrayed them by the time they realised that, their neighbours and friends lost faith in them.
 
I have a Hyderbadi Indian friend and she told me how Muslims have it pretty bad over there, she's still proud of having Indian origins however she says Muslims there are 3rd class citizens.
 
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