[VIDEO] Kashmiri cricketers detained after wearing Pak jersey, singing Pak anthem [Update #62]

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New Delhi: A local Kashmiri cricket club has triggered a huge controversy after a video surfaced on the social media showing its players wearing Pakistani cricket team's uniform. The team members also sang the Pakistani national anthem before the start of the match.

As per reports, the match was held at the Wayil grounds in Ganderbal on April 2 – separatists had called for a hartal that day to protest against PM Narendra Modi's visit to Jammu and Kashmir for the Chenani-Nashri tunnel.

The team that wore the Pakistani green is named after Baba Darya Ud Din, a popular saint whose shrine is situated in Ganderbal. Their opponents wore white.

InUth reports that prior to the start of the match, the commentator announced through loudspeakers that Pakistani national anthem would be played before the match as a 'mark of respect'. The report adds that the playground is located next to the local police station.

“We wanted our team to look different and also wanted to show fellow Kashmiris that we haven’t forgotten Kashmir issue, so we found this particular theme as most appropriate and catchy,” InUth quoted a player as saying.

 

[czar]

This is embarrassing.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Another example of how much the Kashmiris love Pakistan. Certainly not a case of dozen odd Pakistan Supporters in Kashmir, as Indian posters would like us to belief.

The Free Kashmir movement is mainstream and of all masses.

 

[troodon]

This is embarrassing.

India can do nothing. You force them and arrest them, they will throw stones and then a couple of people will die and then the situation will cause even more trouble.

Muslim Bortherhood >> Everything.

 

[Syed1]

You cannot fight this with brute force.

 

[troodon]

Another example of how much the Kashmiris love Pakistan. Certainly not a case of dozen odd Pakistan Supporters in Kashmir, as Indian posters would like us to belief.

The Free Kashmir movement is mainstream and of all masses.

More like Join Pakistan movement. With incidents like these, its hard for common man in India to sympathize with Kashmiri movement.

 

[Third_Umpire]

India can do nothing. You force them and arrest them, they will throw stones and then a couple of people will die and then the situation will cause even more trouble.

Muslim Bortherhood >> Everything.

Don't think it's muslim brotherhood >> everything. This is not a common occurrence among muslim population in other parts of India.

In this case, I think it's just the fact that Indian occupation and suppression SUCKS.

 

[MenInG]

Waisay one does wonder, why anyone would take such a risk? These guys can get arrested, beaten up etc?

 

[troodon]

Don't think it's muslim brotherhood >> everything. This is not a common occurrence among muslim population in other parts of India.

In this case, I think it's just the fact that Indian occupation and suppression SUCKS.

It is not common in all parts of India. But in areas where Muslim population is majority. Especially among Urdu speaking ones.
Muslims that speak local languages tend to be more patriotic and identify themselves as Telugus or Mallus etc.

 

[hafeezrocks]

More like Join Pakistan movement. With incidents like these, its hard for common man in India to sympathize with Kashmiri movement.

India must grant independence to people who don't consider themselves as part of the country, oppressing them with forced occupation will make things even more worse.

Pakistan learnt that bitter lesson in 1971 , thus India too should just let Kashmir go. It will be better for all parties in the longer run.

 

[bleaf27]

Who has stopped these people from crossing over ? Welcome to cross over to Pakistan , take the passports and ID's away , wish em luck and let em cross over to the other side. What's to lose ?

 

[bleaf27]

India must grant independence to people who don't consider themselves as part of the country, oppressing them with forced occupation will make things even more worse.

Pakistan learnt that bitter lesson in 1971 , thus India too should just let Kashmir go. It will be better for all parties in the longer run.

Independence from what ? J & K and it's land and people are integral to India - whoever so does not feel the same should pack their bags and leave , no one is being kept against their will

 

[Third_Umpire]

Independence from what ? J & K and it's land and people are integral to India - whoever so does not feel the same should pack their bags and leave , no one is being kept against their will

"J&K is integral to India" is a meaningless argument for the continued occupation of Kashmir. Of course it's integral, it's integral to Pakistan too for equal measure.

What's really integral is the opportunity to live in a free, civil society for the residents of J&K. Currently that is not the case due to Indian occupation and suppression. This must end, and the citizens of J&K should be allowed to write and choose their destiny.

Who are you, a non-resident of Kashmir, to ask the majority of Kashmiris to leave their homeland just because you consider J&K an "integral part of India"?

 

[bleaf27]

"J&K is integral to India" is a meaningless argument for the continued occupation of Kashmir. Of course it's integral, it's integral to Pakistan too for equal measure.

What's really integral is the opportunity to live in a free, civil society for the residents of J&K. Currently that is not the case due to Indian occupation and suppression. This must end, and the citizens of J&K should be allowed to write and choose their destiny.

Who are you, a non-resident of Kashmir, to ask the majority of Kashmiris to leave their homeland just because you consider J&K an "integral part of India"?

Again what you term as Indian Occupation , to us J & K is as "occupied" as New Delhi or Goa or Bombay. It is an integral part/state like any other - you may not see it that way.
The percentage of population which resides in J & K , look at the number - how many are affected in the whole state - look at those numbers , how many from the state are working and studying all over India - Look at that.
Citizen's of a country belong to a country - Do you ask people of Balochistan on a regular basis which country they want to be a part of ?
Do not use the word Majority , do you have any evidence of Majority of People of Jammu and Kashmir implying this ?
Who are you to force your agenda as their wishes for self determination ? J & K residents receive subsidies from India , travel internationally on Indian Passports , use Indian Money, are studying in Indian schools/universities and represent this Nation. My views are no different from the views of billion other Indians or the PM of India so my views may not be of significance to you but billion similar views might be.
The "chosen few" as opposed to being termed as majority by you who are disruptive to the state - can choose to leave - they aren't asked to , if it's their wish , more than welcome to.

 

[Third_Umpire]

^^if it's just a few and not most that don't want anything to do with India, then why does India have close to a million army troops patrolling Kashmir?

Your first sentence where you compared Kashmir to Delhi/Bombay was enough to show that it's not worth debating this with you. If you choose to live in delusion that's your fault.

 

[bleaf27]

^^if it's just a few and not most that don't want anything to do with India, then why does India have close to a million army troops patrolling Kashmir?

Your first sentence where you compared Kashmir to Delhi/Bombay was enough to show that it's not worth debating this with you. If you choose to live in delusion that's your fault.

again you way over exaggerate everything because you have quite a specific point you'd like to prove one way or the other.
Now considering the fact that J &K is bordering with Pakistan , history of wars , Kargil , the regular cross border firing and everyday attemps of cross border infiltration , where do you expect the soldiers would be ? On the beaches of goa?
You may or may not choose to debate thats upto you , for places in my country, I speak for myself if not anyone else of how I perceive one city to another

 

[Third_Umpire]

again you way over exaggerate everything because you have quite a specific point you'd like to prove one way or the other.
Now considering the fact that J &K is bordering with Pakistan , history of wars , Kargil , the regular cross border firing and everyday attemps of cross border infiltration , where do you expect the soldiers would be ? On the beaches of goa?
You may or may not choose to debate thats upto you , for places in my country, I speak for myself if not anyone else of how I perceive one city to another

Where is the exaggeration? It is a fact that Indian forces number 800K-1M in Kashmir. Isn't that about half of overall active military personnel? And they are doing anything but protecting citizens from Pakistan as you're suggesting. Genocidal activities of the Indian army in Kashmir are well documented.

Your country or not, expect to get called out when you make BS statements. You have not reserved the right to pose fallacious statements as facts just because you happen to be a citizen of a country.

 

[PakLFC]

India can not do anything to remove the love of Pakistan from Kashmiri hears. Had Kashmir been an integral part of India it would not be seen as disputed territory by the UN. India would not have around 100,000 soldiers there if they were so confident of Kashmiris wanting to be a part of India. Neighbours excuse of blaming Pakistan for crises in IoK is fooling no one at all.

 

[bleaf27]

Where is the exaggeration? It is a fact that Indian forces number 800K-1M in Kashmir. Isn't that about half of overall active military personnel? And they are doing anything but protecting citizens from Pakistan as you're suggesting. Genocidal activities of the Indian army in Kashmir are well documented.

Your country or not, expect to get called out when you make BS statements. You have not reserved the right to pose fallacious statements as facts just because you happen to be a citizen of a country.

Firstly I am not an Indian citizen however I do reserve the rights to know the facts and put some point of views contrary to yours in front of view.
I had provided my reasons to you before and I will provide with you again - The Indian Army is not in Jammu and Kashmir for the Indian citizens but for the terrorist threats emanating from Pakistan. Your opinion does not make it a fact , there is a distinction . Maybe in your head your opinion is a fact, not for anyone else.
Do you have a credible source of information which also provides how much army is on the Pak border on the Pak side and how much on the Indian side.
India needs to protects its borders and I think the country is smart enough to realize where the threats are emanating from.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Firstly I am not an Indian citizen however I do reserve the rights to know the facts and put some point of views contrary to yours in front of view.
I had provided my reasons to you before and I will provide with you again - The Indian Army is not in Jammu and Kashmir for the Indian citizens but for the terrorist threats emanating from Pakistan. Your opinion does not make it a fact , there is a distinction . Maybe in your head your opinion is a fact, not for anyone else.
Do you have a credible source of information which also provides how much army is on the Pak border on the Pak side and how much on the Indian side.
India needs to protects its borders and I think the country is smart enough to realize where the threats are emanating from.

This is what your army is doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ing-kashmiri-protesters-justice-steel-pellets

A Kashmiri youth with an eye injury sustained after he was hit by pellets fired by Indian security forces during a protest in Srinagar.

India is blinding young Kashmiri protesters – and no one will face justice
Mirza Waheed
The steel pellets used by police and troops are officially a ‘non-lethal weapon’, but those wounded will live in partial or total darkness
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Monday 18 July 2016 11.56 BST Last modified on Monday 18 July 2016 16.51 BST

Two sets of images have haunted me these last few days. One is a series of photos of people splashing bucketloads of water to wash away blood from the streets of Kashmir, where Indian forces have shot dead at least 45 people since 9 July. Thousands came out to protest and mourn the death of a rebel leader who was killed in an encounter with the Indian army and police.

The other set of images is that of scores of young men with bandages on their eyes, before or after undergoing surgery to remove tiny steel pellets from their retinas. Indian forces deployed in Kashmir now routinely use pellet guns to stymie roadside demonstrations.

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The first image is of something I have witnessed nearly all my life. The Indian troops and state police who enforce India’s rule over Kashmir have been shooting at Kashmiri protesters for as long as there have been protests. And that is a long, long time: 27 years if you count from the start of the armed and popular uprising against India in 1989; 70 if you chart the history of the subcontinent from 1947 when Kashmir was left unresolved as the British departed; and more than eight decades if you go back to July 1931, when the then king’s troops killed 22 protesters.

The second set of images is relatively new, as it’s the fruit of “non-lethal” weapons introduced in Kashmir in 2010. But the pictures haunt you nonetheless, as you peer into the bloodied, plum-sized eyes of those who suspect they may never see again.


Kashmir death toll reaches 23 in protests at killing of rebel leader
Read more
Such is the ferocity of the response of the Indian military occupation to the latest uprising that nearly 2,000 people suffered grievous or moderate injuries in just two days. In some kind of revanchist frenzy, paramilitaries attacked ambulances, shattered windows and cut off intravenous drips. The government of India and its loyalist representatives have clamped down on communications, social media and civil liberties; there is a near-total curfew everywhere. Phones don’t ring in south Kashmir, where most of the killings took place, and the internet is mostly blocked.

A friend who’s visiting Kashmir reported that the “gravely ill can’t get to hospitals and can’t find medicines”. In short, yet another crushing siege in the decades-long relay of sieges. The world doesn’t need to know. India is a democracy.

In its intransigence over Kashmir, the Indian state has, among other things, waged a narrative war, in which it tells itself and its citizens via servile media, that there is no dispute, that it’s an internal matter – and whatever troubles there are in the idyllic valley are the work of jihadis from Pakistan. This gives the state easy demons to portray and then slay.

The Indian state now appears to believe its own fantasies, which it acts out by shooting its way out of a crisis every time Kashmiris voice their anger or political demands. It’s as though India must perform rituals of brutal violence on the Kashmiri body to keep it tamed. In 2008, 60 people were shot when Kashmiris protested at the grant of hundreds of acres of land to a temple trust, because they believed this was an Indian attempt to change the demographic of their Muslim-majority region. In 2009, protests raged for weeks after the rape and murder of two female family members from Shopian in northern Kashmir was dismissed by the authorities as a drowning.

When will the Kashmiri nightmare end?
Amrit Wilson
Read more
In 2010, 120 people, including teenagers, were butchered on the streets. Hundreds of families were devastated, gifted eternal grief by a draconian state. Not one member of the armed forces was charged, let alone convicted, for those killings. And that’s precisely why the soldiers kill again and again. That summer, when scores of adolescents were slain in the alleys, people gasped at the sheer scale of mayhem, but some also believed it might not happen again. It’s too much, I heard said.

Policymakers in Kashmir and Delhi then deliberated upon what kind of weapon to deploy on a people the majority of whom quite simply don’t want to be with India. They never have. The state came up with something that might thwart and injure protesters, but not kill them. A buckshot gun, a pellet grenade, a “non-lethal weapon”, we were told. The lexicon of conflict in a place such as Kashmir engenders normalisation of even the most ghastly thing. It felt to me then that many were relieved that Kashmir’s young would no longer face full-size deathly bullets, but tinier steel pellets instead. At least they won’t die, it was said.

Over the last week, doctors in Kashmir have performed about 150 eye surgeries to try to remove pellets from retinas. Most of the patients will lose their eyesight, one doctor said. “It’s a fate worse than death,” said another. No other country has wilfully blinded scores of youths.

Meanwhile the dead have been interred in martyrs’ graveyards. Most localities, in city and country, have one so as to remember their slain. Those wounded will live in partial or total darkness all their lives.

Kashmiris say Azadi – or independence – is an infinitely better option.

© 2017 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved.

 

[bleaf27]

This is what your army is doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ing-kashmiri-protesters-justice-steel-pellets

A Kashmiri youth with an eye injury sustained after he was hit by pellets fired by Indian security forces during a protest in Srinagar.

India is blinding young Kashmiri protesters – and no one will face justice
Mirza Waheed
The steel pellets used by police and troops are officially a ‘non-lethal weapon’, but those wounded will live in partial or total darkness
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Monday 18 July 2016 11.56 BST Last modified on Monday 18 July 2016 16.51 BST

Two sets of images have haunted me these last few days. One is a series of photos of people splashing bucketloads of water to wash away blood from the streets of Kashmir, where Indian forces have shot dead at least 45 people since 9 July. Thousands came out to protest and mourn the death of a rebel leader who was killed in an encounter with the Indian army and police.

The other set of images is that of scores of young men with bandages on their eyes, before or after undergoing surgery to remove tiny steel pellets from their retinas. Indian forces deployed in Kashmir now routinely use pellet guns to stymie roadside demonstrations.

Advertisement

The first image is of something I have witnessed nearly all my life. The Indian troops and state police who enforce India’s rule over Kashmir have been shooting at Kashmiri protesters for as long as there have been protests. And that is a long, long time: 27 years if you count from the start of the armed and popular uprising against India in 1989; 70 if you chart the history of the subcontinent from 1947 when Kashmir was left unresolved as the British departed; and more than eight decades if you go back to July 1931, when the then king’s troops killed 22 protesters.

The second set of images is relatively new, as it’s the fruit of “non-lethal” weapons introduced in Kashmir in 2010. But the pictures haunt you nonetheless, as you peer into the bloodied, plum-sized eyes of those who suspect they may never see again.


Kashmir death toll reaches 23 in protests at killing of rebel leader
Read more
Such is the ferocity of the response of the Indian military occupation to the latest uprising that nearly 2,000 people suffered grievous or moderate injuries in just two days. In some kind of revanchist frenzy, paramilitaries attacked ambulances, shattered windows and cut off intravenous drips. The government of India and its loyalist representatives have clamped down on communications, social media and civil liberties; there is a near-total curfew everywhere. Phones don’t ring in south Kashmir, where most of the killings took place, and the internet is mostly blocked.

A friend who’s visiting Kashmir reported that the “gravely ill can’t get to hospitals and can’t find medicines”. In short, yet another crushing siege in the decades-long relay of sieges. The world doesn’t need to know. India is a democracy.

In its intransigence over Kashmir, the Indian state has, among other things, waged a narrative war, in which it tells itself and its citizens via servile media, that there is no dispute, that it’s an internal matter – and whatever troubles there are in the idyllic valley are the work of jihadis from Pakistan. This gives the state easy demons to portray and then slay.

The Indian state now appears to believe its own fantasies, which it acts out by shooting its way out of a crisis every time Kashmiris voice their anger or political demands. It’s as though India must perform rituals of brutal violence on the Kashmiri body to keep it tamed. In 2008, 60 people were shot when Kashmiris protested at the grant of hundreds of acres of land to a temple trust, because they believed this was an Indian attempt to change the demographic of their Muslim-majority region. In 2009, protests raged for weeks after the rape and murder of two female family members from Shopian in northern Kashmir was dismissed by the authorities as a drowning.

When will the Kashmiri nightmare end?
Amrit Wilson
Read more
In 2010, 120 people, including teenagers, were butchered on the streets. Hundreds of families were devastated, gifted eternal grief by a draconian state. Not one member of the armed forces was charged, let alone convicted, for those killings. And that’s precisely why the soldiers kill again and again. That summer, when scores of adolescents were slain in the alleys, people gasped at the sheer scale of mayhem, but some also believed it might not happen again. It’s too much, I heard said.

Policymakers in Kashmir and Delhi then deliberated upon what kind of weapon to deploy on a people the majority of whom quite simply don’t want to be with India. They never have. The state came up with something that might thwart and injure protesters, but not kill them. A buckshot gun, a pellet grenade, a “non-lethal weapon”, we were told. The lexicon of conflict in a place such as Kashmir engenders normalisation of even the most ghastly thing. It felt to me then that many were relieved that Kashmir’s young would no longer face full-size deathly bullets, but tinier steel pellets instead. At least they won’t die, it was said.

Over the last week, doctors in Kashmir have performed about 150 eye surgeries to try to remove pellets from retinas. Most of the patients will lose their eyesight, one doctor said. “It’s a fate worse than death,” said another. No other country has wilfully blinded scores of youths.

Meanwhile the dead have been interred in martyrs’ graveyards. Most localities, in city and country, have one so as to remember their slain. Those wounded will live in partial or total darkness all their lives.

Kashmiris say Azadi – or independence – is an infinitely better option.

© 2017 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved.

Do you understand that I can present 10 articles for you right now which provides support for cross border infiltration , terrorist camps and hate propoganda against India spread by Pakistan ?
If I show articles regarding atrocities in Balochistan ?
What If I show you articles indicating violence , ambush against Indian Police services and Army ?
The restraint Indian Army has shown is commendable. In a country like US- merely questioning the police can get you shot - the Indian army is still using pellet guns while having stones and fire bombs thrown at them while being cowardly ambushed ? If given free reign , they can restore order within 24 hrs. Highest discipline of the Indian army can be seen from the fact that they are willing to put their lives at risk while using pellet guns to disperse crowds which aren't standing on the corner having chit-chat but inciting violence

 

[TM Riddle]

India must grant independence to people who don't consider themselves as part of the country, oppressing them with forced occupation will make things even more worse.

Pakistan learnt that bitter lesson in 1971 , thus India too should just let Kashmir go. It will be better for all parties in the longer run.

India just can't go around giving independence in khairat.It will set a precedent and the country will be disintegrated soon into numerous smaller nations .We simply can't take the risk.

 

[s.h.a.k]

Do you understand that I can present 10 articles for you right now which provides support for cross border infiltration , terrorist camps and hate propoganda against India spread by Pakistan ?
If I show articles regarding atrocities in Balochistan ?
What If I show you articles indicating violence , ambush against Indian Police services and Army ?
The restraint Indian Army has shown is commendable. In a country like US- merely questioning the police can get you shot - the Indian army is still using pellet guns while having stones and fire bombs thrown at them while being cowardly ambushed ? If given free reign , they can restore order within 24 hrs. Highest discipline of the Indian army can be seen from the fact that they are willing to put their lives at risk while using pellet guns to disperse crowds which aren't standing on the corner having chit-chat but inciting violence

Yes for you its commendable killing innocent kids and raping. It's all commendable as the victims are Muslims.
The rise of Kashmiri people asking for freedom is thanks to the atrocities your great Indian army has done to them. But it's commendable why should a Muslim life matter.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Ahh well life goes on

 

[Zak_Fan]

Great to see. : #Azadi

 

[Slog]

Who has stopped these people from crossing over ? Welcome to cross over to Pakistan , take the passports and ID's away , wish em luck and let em cross over to the other side. What's to lose ?

because kashmir belonged to them long before the british came and made this convenience called India

 

[Thomaskutty]

No big deal .. some of these Kashmiris just love to tease with their infidelity for whatever reason. We know that most would prefer to stay in the burgeoning indian union.

 

[TM Riddle]

Waisey jokes aside, I have met and interacted with many Kashmiris studying in various universities of India and none of them seemed like this Joshila(no pun intended) guy described in op.Who knows maybe they were scared of me.

 

[Syed1]

Waisey jokes aside, I have met and interacted with many Kashmiris studying in various universities of India and none of them seemed like this Joshila(no pun intended) guy described in op.Who knows maybe they were scared of me.

I met a Kashmiri guy from IOK in Canada, he was doing his masters from my university. He had lived in Mumbai since his mid-teenage. He says he loves Mumbai and considers it his home but wants the Kashmiris to get independence from India (note: he didn't say join Pakistan). The more India kills innocent civilians in Kashmir the more such people are created who don't have anything against India but want the violence to end.

 

[Pakpak]

Waisey jokes aside, I have met and interacted with many Kashmiris studying in various universities of India and none of them seemed like this Joshila(no pun intended) guy described in op.Who knows maybe they were scared of me.

A lot were indifferent, a girl at old Uni was from Srinagar, one of those ''don't really care about politics type'', didn't really care about Kashmir independence either. She would scoff at the idea of being bothered by politics. A year of crackdown in Kashmir and one has to only see her instagram, with pictures of graffiti on streets and very unsavory comments about Indians. You ask even Pakistani Kashmiris and everyone has the dream of an independent Kashmir. And if it comes to that then I wouldn't mind. But it won't.

Best solution was the Musharraf plan, our ex-FM now says they were very close to penning it with the Indians till good ol Mush was thrown out of power very soon after. Political instability in Pakistan and Mumbai attack scuttled it all.

 

[bleaf27]

Yes for you its commendable killing innocent kids and raping. It's all commendable as the victims are Muslims.
The rise of Kashmiri people asking for freedom is thanks to the atrocities your great Indian army has done to them. But it's commendable why should a Muslim life matter.

It is commendable for the Army soldiers to put their life at risk and sacrifice themselves ? Any idea of how many terrorist attacks on the Army from across the border - no you wouldn't.
Ever heard of the mass killings and migrations of the Kashmiri Pandits ?
Kashmir isn't asking for freedom , you do not ask for freedom from your own country ? Does Karachi asks for freedom from Pakistan ? sounds absurd eh

 

[ExpressPacer]

It is commendable for the Army soldiers to put their life at risk and sacrifice themselves ? Any idea of how many terrorist attacks on the Army from across the border - no you wouldn't.
Ever heard of the mass killings and migrations of the Kashmiri Pandits ?
Kashmir isn't asking for freedom , you do not ask for freedom from your own country ? Does Karachi asks for freedom from Pakistan ? sounds absurd eh

What a pathetic thing to say? Do you lack a brain, friend? Karachi can ask for freedom from Pakistan just like East Pakistan did in 71. The majority needs to want freedom. There needs to be a unanimous opinion.
The unanimous opinion of Kashmiris is freedom from the tyranny of Indians! It's the vote of the majority! Why is it so bloody hard for you guys to digest?

 

[bleaf27]

What a pathetic thing to say? Do you lack a brain, friend? Karachi can ask for freedom from Pakistan just like East Pakistan did in 71. The majority needs to want freedom. There needs to be a unanimous opinion.
The unanimous opinion of Kashmiris is freedom from the tyranny of Indians! It's the vote of the majority! Why is it so bloody hard for you guys to digest?

Are you fed the wrong history ? East Pakistan asked for Freedom and West Pakistan gave it to them ?
Have you forgotten 1971 East Pakistan Genocide committed by you guys ? Gotta be joking me , Indian intervention and surrender of Pakistani Army led to Bangladesh - was this chapter not part of your history books ? 26th March 1971 the right to self determination cleansing occured in Est Pakistan by you guys.

The Kashmiris voting in democracy and the government there is the majority ! There is a democratic council , Members of Parliament in state of Jammu and Kashmir - not self appointed fools - Are you not able to comprehend that ?
http://www.ndtv.com/assembly/jammu-...t-in-25-years-jharkhand-breaks-records-715845
Highest Voter turnout 65 % in Jammu and Kashmir - so people wanting a govt there are calling for seperatism ?

 

[ExpressPacer]

Are you fed the wrong history ? East Pakistan asked for Freedom and West Pakistan gave it to them ?
Have you forgotten 1971 East Pakistan Genocide committed by you guys ? Gotta be joking me , Indian intervention and surrender of Pakistani Army led to Bangladesh - was this chapter not part of your history books ? 26th March 1971 the right to self determination cleansing occured in Est Pakistan by you guys.

The Kashmiris voting in democracy and the government there is the majority ! There is a democratic council , Members of Parliament in state of Jammu and Kashmir - not self appointed fools - Are you not able to comprehend that ?
http://www.ndtv.com/assembly/jammu-...t-in-25-years-jharkhand-breaks-records-715845
Highest Voter turnout 65 % in Jammu and Kashmir - so people wanting a govt there are calling for seperatism ?

I'm sorry but you're just a blind hater and I can't do anything about that. Where in all my posts have I said that Pakistan just gave East Pakistan independence? They should have. I would have had the same opinion about that issue. When the majority of an area wants to make a decision for themselves, they should be given the choice to do so - even if it is the decision of independence.

Do you want thousands of people to die again? Why can't India just learn from the mistake of others and give independence to people who have been dying and asking for basic rights for years?!

And I don't know what pathetic, govt. controlled stats you are coming up with. India never fulfilled its promise of having a referendum in Kashmir. And until then, the fact is that the majority of Kashmir wants independence.

 

[Kaptan]

In other news A 21 year old Kashmiri girl becomes the youngest pilot in India, plans to fly Mig 29 next year, if successful she will become first woman in the country to break the sound barrier.

 

[super hitter]

In other news A 21 year old Kashmiri girl becomes the youngest pilot in India, plans to fly Mig 29 next year, if successful she will become first woman in the country to break the sound barrier.

Oh that means that Indians are giving extraordinary rights to the people of Kashmir!

they hit them and commit rapes just because they love em...Pyaar se daanthey hen you mean?

 

[Madplayer]

It is commendable for the Army soldiers to put their life at risk and sacrifice themselves ? Any idea of how many terrorist attacks on the Army from across the border - no you wouldn't.
Ever heard of the mass killings and migrations of the Kashmiri Pandits ?
Kashmir isn't asking for freedom , you do not ask for freedom from your own country ? Does Karachi asks for freedom from Pakistan ? sounds absurd eh

Ladies and gentlemen I give you, the average Indian. Misinformed, brainwashed, deluded, devoid of logic and facts. If you walk on a street in UP and converse with any random man (Who obviously wouldn't know Jack about Kashmir's history) he would tell you the same things and ask the same questions. This has been fed to them and their parents, grandparents over decades and unfortunately they will die in this state not being able to swallow that they are supporting a colonial regime which is guilty of genocide against a nation demanding nothing but their right.

 

[Kaptan]

Oh that means that Indians are giving extraordinary rights to the people of Kashmir!

they hit them and commit rapes just because they love em...Pyaar se daanthey hen you mean?

Yes, believe it or not Indian govt is giving extraordinary rights to the people of Kashmir. No one is stoping them from going to school, doing business, buying land etc etc. Infact they have more rights than me.
Tax payers money from rest of India is spend on making world class bridges and tunnels in Kashmir for the people of Kashmir.
I really feel bad for the educated and open minded youth of Kashmir, Kashmiri engineers who made the longest tunnel in India, girls like Ayesha Aziz. There are lakhs and lakhs of them, they just want to live their lives like any normal Indian.

 

[Specialisttailender]

This is very creepy for me to see. Don't know what to say.

 

[Madplayer]

Oh that means that Indians are giving extraordinary rights to the people of Kashmir!

they hit them and commit rapes just because they love em...Pyaar se daanthey hen you mean?

The responses you will get from most Indians will seem deluded to you. One of them just said that Kashmiris enjoy more rights than him because they are allowed to go to school and buy land discussing the K issue with Indians is like selecting umar akmal again and again. You know what you are going to get but are still tempted to go for it.

 

[Abdullah719]

Kashmiri cricketers detained after wearing Pakistan team’s jersey in match

A bunch of Kashmiri cricketers was detained on Wednesday after a video clip surfaced on social media, showing them wearing the Pakistani team’s jersey with the neighbouring country’s national anthem playing in the background.

The clip has gone viral since the Kashmir Media Service, a news portal based out of Pakistan, uploaded the video along with a news report on its website.

The Central Kashmir deputy inspector general of police, Ghulam Hassan Bhat, said the cricketers were detained for questioning. “The boys are in the police station.”

Security has been beefed up as residents have gathered near the police station, demanding immediate release of the 11 players, who reportedly represent a cricket club from the Kalmul area in central Kahsmir’s Ganderbal.

The video shows a scenic location surrounded by mountains, which the Pakistani portal identified as Wayil playfield in Ganderbal.

Sources said the video was from a cricket match between two teams, one representing Pakistan and the other India.

The players impersonating the Pakistan team turned out in that country’s colours, while the team representing India wore white.

“National anthems of both countries were played, like in any international match,” clarified a Ganderbal resident who didn’t wish to be named.

Hindustan Times could not verify if both anthems were played. The online video shows only the Pakistani anthem before the clip ends.

The Pakistani portal said the match was played on April 2, the day Prime Minister Narendra Modi inaugurated the Chenani-Nashri tunnel, the country’s longest on the strategic Jammu-Srinagar national highway — the sole surface link that connects Kashmir Valley with the rest of India.

Sources said a team of the counter-terrorism National Investigation Agency (NIA) will fly from New Delhi to the Valley on Thursday to probe the cricket incident.

The players of Baba Darya Ud Din team, named after the popular saint whose shrine is situated in Ganderbal, was wearing green uniform of Pakistan.

In February, a video clip of a melodious version of Pakistan’s anthem sung by two Kashmiri musicians using traditional instruments went viral on social media in the Valley.

Anti-India sentiments have been high in insurgency-riddled Kashmir after last year’s killing of a popular militant leader, triggering a long public unrest and clashes with security forces in which more than 80 people have died.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ey-in-match/story-XoEJmZgCdkkh51wuhH02aL.html

 

[MenInG]

Hello!

Can we stay within our "auqat" and stop posting what comes to mind.

 

[Kaptan]

The responses you will get from most Indians will seem deluded to you. One of them just said that Kashmiris enjoy more rights than him because they are allowed to go to school and buy land discussing the K issue with Indians is like selecting umar akmal again and again. You know what you are going to get but are still tempted to go for it.

Can you read ?
Where did I say,Kashmiris enjoy more rights than me because they are allowed to go to school and buy land? They are free to do anything just like me plus They can buy land anywhere in India but I can't buy a piece of land in Kashmir, so technically yes an average Kashmiri enjoy more rights than me.

 

[Saeed]

Sounds like waste of resources and harassment. What is their to investigate about some people wearing Pakistani cricket shirts?

 

[big_gamer007]

Same old stuff nothing new.. When will one learn to raise voices for real issues maybe if everyone does we might get good politicians then..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So the match was played between two teams India and Pakistan. Since we can't invite real Pakistan team these boys acted as Pakistani team to give it an Indo-Pak rivalry touch. To me it is not different than those who acted as Pakistani players in various indian cricket related movies like Azhar, Dhoni or in some ads. If we can arrest these kashmiri boys we should also arrest these actors who played the role of pakistanis in our movies. Lets be consistent please.

 

[kaayal]

Is there any means to decrease the army representation in Kashmir??? Atleast we could prevent the future generations from hating India and its people....

 

[JaDed]

Is there any means to decrease the army representation in Kashmir??? Atleast we could prevent the future generations from hating India and its people....

Yes removing of Afspa, will not happen in next decade the way its going.

 

[Specialisttailender]

This is what your army is doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ing-kashmiri-protesters-justice-steel-pellets

A Kashmiri youth with an eye injury sustained after he was hit by pellets fired by Indian security forces during a protest in Srinagar.

India is blinding young Kashmiri protesters – and no one will face justice
Mirza Waheed
The steel pellets used by police and troops are officially a ‘non-lethal weapon’, but those wounded will live in partial or total darkness
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Two sets of images have haunted me these last few days. One is a series of photos of people splashing bucketloads of water to wash away blood from the streets of Kashmir, where Indian forces have shot dead at least 45 people since 9 July. Thousands came out to protest and mourn the death of a rebel leader who was killed in an encounter with the Indian army and police.

The other set of images is that of scores of young men with bandages on their eyes, before or after undergoing surgery to remove tiny steel pellets from their retinas. Indian forces deployed in Kashmir now routinely use pellet guns to stymie roadside demonstrations.

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The first image is of something I have witnessed nearly all my life. The Indian troops and state police who enforce India’s rule over Kashmir have been shooting at Kashmiri protesters for as long as there have been protests. And that is a long, long time: 27 years if you count from the start of the armed and popular uprising against India in 1989; 70 if you chart the history of the subcontinent from 1947 when Kashmir was left unresolved as the British departed; and more than eight decades if you go back to July 1931, when the then king’s troops killed 22 protesters.

The second set of images is relatively new, as it’s the fruit of “non-lethal” weapons introduced in Kashmir in 2010. But the pictures haunt you nonetheless, as you peer into the bloodied, plum-sized eyes of those who suspect they may never see again.


Kashmir death toll reaches 23 in protests at killing of rebel leader
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Such is the ferocity of the response of the Indian military occupation to the latest uprising that nearly 2,000 people suffered grievous or moderate injuries in just two days. In some kind of revanchist frenzy, paramilitaries attacked ambulances, shattered windows and cut off intravenous drips. The government of India and its loyalist representatives have clamped down on communications, social media and civil liberties; there is a near-total curfew everywhere. Phones don’t ring in south Kashmir, where most of the killings took place, and the internet is mostly blocked.

A friend who’s visiting Kashmir reported that the “gravely ill can’t get to hospitals and can’t find medicines”. In short, yet another crushing siege in the decades-long relay of sieges. The world doesn’t need to know. India is a democracy.

In its intransigence over Kashmir, the Indian state has, among other things, waged a narrative war, in which it tells itself and its citizens via servile media, that there is no dispute, that it’s an internal matter – and whatever troubles there are in the idyllic valley are the work of jihadis from Pakistan. This gives the state easy demons to portray and then slay.

The Indian state now appears to believe its own fantasies, which it acts out by shooting its way out of a crisis every time Kashmiris voice their anger or political demands. It’s as though India must perform rituals of brutal violence on the Kashmiri body to keep it tamed. In 2008, 60 people were shot when Kashmiris protested at the grant of hundreds of acres of land to a temple trust, because they believed this was an Indian attempt to change the demographic of their Muslim-majority region. In 2009, protests raged for weeks after the rape and murder of two female family members from Shopian in northern Kashmir was dismissed by the authorities as a drowning.

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In 2010, 120 people, including teenagers, were butchered on the streets. Hundreds of families were devastated, gifted eternal grief by a draconian state. Not one member of the armed forces was charged, let alone convicted, for those killings. And that’s precisely why the soldiers kill again and again. That summer, when scores of adolescents were slain in the alleys, people gasped at the sheer scale of mayhem, but some also believed it might not happen again. It’s too much, I heard said.

Policymakers in Kashmir and Delhi then deliberated upon what kind of weapon to deploy on a people the majority of whom quite simply don’t want to be with India. They never have. The state came up with something that might thwart and injure protesters, but not kill them. A buckshot gun, a pellet grenade, a “non-lethal weapon”, we were told. The lexicon of conflict in a place such as Kashmir engenders normalisation of even the most ghastly thing. It felt to me then that many were relieved that Kashmir’s young would no longer face full-size deathly bullets, but tinier steel pellets instead. At least they won’t die, it was said.

Over the last week, doctors in Kashmir have performed about 150 eye surgeries to try to remove pellets from retinas. Most of the patients will lose their eyesight, one doctor said. “It’s a fate worse than death,” said another. No other country has wilfully blinded scores of youths.

Meanwhile the dead have been interred in martyrs’ graveyards. Most localities, in city and country, have one so as to remember their slain. Those wounded will live in partial or total darkness all their lives.

Kashmiris say Azadi – or independence – is an infinitely better option.

© 2017 Guardian News and Media Limited or its affiliated companies. All rights reserved.

I rather have Indian soldiers pelting rocks at the protesters than spray bullets. How do you expect the security forces to disperse the crowd that is pelting stones at them ?

 

[Specialisttailender]

Is there any means to decrease the army representation in Kashmir??? Atleast we could prevent the future generations from hating India and its people....

You'd think Indian government will be smart enough to deescalate the tensions by reducing the amount of security forces but that is not how our leaders think. Our leaders are outdated, and not fit to rule the modern day. Even if they wanted to, the the fear of poorly educate media personals and oppositions misleading the public to think we are giving up is also there. Our media is also happy to turn blind eye to Kashmiris outcry due to jingoism and it is not just Indians but it is the case everywhere for the most part.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

This just looks like harmless fun to me. Still Indian authorities are naturally cautious considering every once in a while it is such harmless fun that takes a sinister turn.

 

[troodon]

Is there any means to decrease the army representation in Kashmir??? Atleast we could prevent the future generations from hating India and its people....

Reducing Army = Increase in Terrorist Activities.

Can't be done.

One hate speech by some Crazy Mullah or Separatist can create chaos and law and order situation will deteriorate.

 

[troodon]

So the match was played between two teams India and Pakistan. Since we can't invite real Pakistan team these boys acted as Pakistani team to give it an Indo-Pak rivalry touch. To me it is not different than those who acted as Pakistani players in various indian cricket related movies like Azhar, Dhoni or in some ads. If we can arrest these kashmiri boys we should also arrest these actors who played the role of pakistanis in our movies. Lets be consistent please.

They will be released after questioning. Its more of a precaution than anything.

 

[Brilliance]

Sometimes I wonder how deluded these Indians are about Kashmir and its people. But this is expected because of the fake stories and propagandas run by their mainstream media over the decades which they have been fed.

They view Kashmir only through Arnab Goswami's and some of the other journalist's lenses.

Only if they come and live in Kashmir with the people of Kashmir for sometime will they understand the pains and sufferings of the people.

 

[Brilliance]

Waisay one does wonder, why anyone would take such a risk? These guys can get arrested, beaten up etc?

This is what has been happening for decades now. Even lots of Kashmiri men in Police support Pak cricket team. Who will beat them ?

 

[czar]

Fools are arrested now, should be example for all to not take risks as such.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Kashmir Valley is overwhelmingly anti-India. i don't think anyone is particularly delusional about that. Personal opinion - India should give up kashmir valley and give them the islamic state that they desire. We have lost far too much in what is essentially a lost cause.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Kashmir Valley is overwhelmingly anti-India. i don't think anyone is particularly delusional about that. Personal opinion - India should give up kashmir valley and give them the islamic state that they desire. We have lost far too much in what is essentially a lost cause.

Our population don't know how much we have lost. Have we lost much in Kashmir ? Even I can't recall. We should hold on to it as long as we want and try to suppress the uprising with much more brutal force enough to make sure the next Kashmiri generation adapt to much more efficient way.

 

[Slog]

Kashmir Valley is overwhelmingly anti-India. i don't think anyone is particularly delusional about that. Personal opinion - India should give up kashmir valley and give them the islamic state that they desire. We have lost far too much in what is essentially a lost cause.

India hasn't helped itself and has really bungled it there

 

[Nikhil_cric]

India hasn't helped itself and has really bungled it there

To be fair to us, the Constituent Assembly of J&K did choose to accede to the Indian Union at the time although many say that the Assembly was not truly representative of all kashmiris. Jammu and Ladakh would prefer to be with India i think.

 

[TM Riddle]

Kashmir Valley is overwhelmingly anti-India. i don't think anyone is particularly delusional about that. Personal opinion - India should give up kashmir valley and give them the islamic state that they desire. We have lost far too much in what is essentially a lost cause.

And let China grab it at the next opportunity? Valley is of way too strategic importance for us not to mention the untapped natural resources.India giving up Kashmir is out of the question.

 

[MenInG]

The Jammu and Kashmir police hasn't found any link of Pakistan or any pro Pakistan organisation behind a cricket match video showing the players of a local cricket team wearing Pakistan jerseys and singing the Pakistan national anthem ahead of the start of the match here in Ganderbal village of central Kashmir.

The video had gone viral on social media and was played by various Pakistan channels creating a controversy.


Sources said after the incident police had detained several youth including the organizers of a cricket tournament here in connection with the investigations into the video.

Police sources said that the team headed by a DySP rank police official after getting some leads into the video incident detained several youth including the organizers of the cricket tournament who are said to be the residents of Chinnar and other adjoining villages here for questioning.

The detained youth were questioned for almost three days at the local police station Ganderbal.

They said that a case under FIR number 17/17 under section 13 ULA has been registered in Police Station Kangan in this regard.

Meanwhile official sources said that the investigations carried by the Police till now hasn't find link of any pro Pakistan organization behind the controversial cricket match that was played here on April 2, adding that the young cricket players who were detained were likely to be released however a few organizers are likely to be detained for further questioning.

Talking to Greater Kashmir Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Ganderbal Fayaz Ahmed Lone confirmed that some youth were detained for questioning, adding that the investigations are still going on.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...controversial-cricket-match-video/245858.html

 

[MenInG]

A national Investigation Agency team is likely to interrogate the players of a local cricket team in Ganderbal who were seen singing the Pakistani national anthem and donning Pakistani green jerseys in a video that went viral on social media. There were reports earlier that all the 12 players had been arrested by the police, but a senior police officer clarified to this newspaper that the boys had only been detained for counseling. The officer confirmed that the police has decided not to act against them.

“There are no separatist or militant handlers in this case. So we have decided to keep them under check and have counselled them,” the officer said. Police acted after the video went viral showing the “cricketers” wearing the jersey of the Pakistan cricket team and singing the Pakistani national anthem.

http://www.sundayguardianlive.com/news/9019-kashmiri-boys-who-sang-pak-anthem-may-face-nia-scanner

 

[Specialisttailender]

Don't think officers suspected that terrorists would wear Pakistani national colours and sing Pakistan national anthem in a public cricket tournament. The arrests was done to make sure this doesn't become a frequent occurrence.

 

[Major]

Don't think officers suspected that terrorists would wear Pakistani national colours and sing Pakistan national anthem in a public cricket tournament. The arrests was done to make sure this doesn't become a frequent occurrence.

Frequent occurrence?

So wait its a crime to support or act like a foreign team?

 

[Abdul]

 

[MenInG]

http://kashmirlife.net/winners-of-a...pakistan-zakir-musa-slogans-in-budgam-157423/

The winners of an army-sponsored cricket tournament on Saturday raised Pakistani flag and shouted pro-Pakistan slogans after lifting the trophy in Budgam, reports reaching here said.

Local sources said that slogans in favour of Zakir Musa were also raised during the course of the cricket match. They said that besides, the local National Conference lawmaker Aga Roohullah, senior officials of police and army were also present at the ground.

The tournament was organised by Indian Army’s 53 RR in Budgam town. The final match was played between Budgam and Ompora teams which was won by the latter.

Reports said that scores of youth raised Pakistan flags and shouted slogans in favour of Pakistan and the chief of Ansar Ghazwatul Hind Zakir Musa as the award ceremony was going on at the end of the match.

Last week, slogans in favour of Pakistani flamboyant cricketer Shahid Afridi were raised when former Indian skipper MS Dhoni was the chief guest at an army tournament in Kunzar area of northern Kashmir’s Baramulla district.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

http://kashmirlife.net/winners-of-a...pakistan-zakir-musa-slogans-in-budgam-157423/

The winners of an army-sponsored cricket tournament on Saturday raised Pakistani flag and shouted pro-Pakistan slogans after lifting the trophy in Budgam, reports reaching here said.

Local sources said that slogans in favour of Zakir Musa were also raised during the course of the cricket match. They said that besides, the local National Conference lawmaker Aga Roohullah, senior officials of police and army were also present at the ground.

The tournament was organised by Indian Army’s 53 RR in Budgam town. The final match was played between Budgam and Ompora teams which was won by the latter.

Reports said that scores of youth raised Pakistan flags and shouted slogans in favour of Pakistan and the chief of Ansar Ghazwatul Hind Zakir Musa as the award ceremony was going on at the end of the match.

Last week, slogans in favour of Pakistani flamboyant cricketer Shahid Afridi were raised when former Indian skipper MS Dhoni was the chief guest at an army tournament in Kunzar area of northern Kashmir’s Baramulla district.

It's a common occurrence in Kashmir. Kashmiris in the valley love Pakistan.