[VIDEO] Mir Hamza - How good is he?

[srh]

I have showed his video to Ian Pont and he has said he has a messy action. Good thing about him is his swing but he says he is missing out on extra pace.

so with the right coach he can increase his speed by 5 kph atleast for example? then he will be even more deadly

 

[Bullet Drive]

so with the right coach he can increase his speed by 5 kph atleast for example? then he will be even more deadly

Yep. We need Pont in Pakistan. He said he is willing to come to hold camps but just needs a sponsor. Have emailed PCB yet no response, typical.

 

[m.shah]

2-61 today

 

[saadsahabjee]

3 wickets again ......... all three Bowled

P panther all out 86

 

[SuperMAG77]

just won the match for karachi dolphins, 238 was required and they were 117 all out, he got 6 for 41.

 

[Barragan]

Poor guy, another Sadaf Hussain in the making.

Will never get a call up because the selectors are not aware of the domestic circuit at all and pick trash.

 

[Red Devil]

Lol and this guy couldn't even find a place in our A team.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I saw a video of this guy posted in the Aman Ali thread, and it looks like he can swing the ball both ways. Looked a very useful bowler based on that clip.

 

[AlCapone]

Bring him in the team, he's got the skills and also cause we have no Sindhi and Baloch cricket players and this guy is both, so it would be good for cricket in those regions.

 

[srh]

I saw a video of this guy posted in the Aman Ali thread, and it looks like he can swing the ball both ways. Looked a very useful bowler based on that clip.

correct. Swinging both ways so early in his career. He is another Mohammad Amir in making.

 

[Mamoon]

Looks a very fine prospect indeed, but swinging our domestic ball and swinging Kookaburra are two different things.

All of our bowlers swing the ball in domestic cricket but no one but Rahat does it at the international level. I'm sick of our bowlers bowling gun barrel straight with not a hint of movement and even more sick of the apologists making excusing for their inability to swing the ball.

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Looks a very fine prospect indeed, but swinging our domestic ball and swinging Kookaburra are two different things.

All of our bowlers swing the ball in domestic cricket but no one but Rahat does it at the international level. I'm sick of our bowlers bowling gun barrel straight with not a hint of movement and even more sick of the apologists making excusing for their inability to swing the ball.

agree that swing in intl level is different but he is swinging the ball to his will

 

[gunner]

We should give him a chance in the WC.

 

[as-95]

Solution is to use the same balls International bowlers use, in Domestic too. That way, they will be training week in,week out with the same balls they would use in an International match. I would imagine that it would boost the bowlers confidence massively.

 

[daily_dreamer]

Good news - he has been selected for Pakistan A for the remaining games against Kenya (Source: himself on Facebook).

 

[octavian]

good news if true. We need a bowler who can swing the new ball.

 

[Haz95]

just your typical trundler who swings miles in domestic but can't move the ball an inch in international cricket. Story of pace bowling in Pakistan, sadly.

 

[octavian]

^^ Did we all miss his bowling in international cricket? When did he bowl?

 

[srh]

just your typical trundler who swings miles in domestic but can't move the ball an inch in international cricket. Story of pace bowling in Pakistan, sadly.

looking at all the matches he has played in international cricket, I agree with you

 

[Haz95]

looking at all the matches he has played in international cricket, I agree with you

replace the 'can't' with a 'won't be able to'
I've seen too much like Cheemas, Asad Alis and Talhas to be impressed by this trundler.

 

[srh]

replace the 'can't' with a 'won't be able to'
I've seen too much like Cheemas, Asad Alis and Talhas to be impressed by this trundler.

Haz95 alias Jothishi Maharaj

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

just your typical trundler who swings miles in domestic but can't move the ball an inch in international cricket. Story of pace bowling in Pakistan, sadly.

Most domestic bowlers only swing the old ball with reverse. I've seen this guy's action and he could definitely swing the new ball. Whether it's effective at around 135ks is the question, but I would reckon he would be far more effective than the 140ks bowlers who bowl gun barrel straight at the moment.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Rahat Ali : Can swing in international matches and averages 21 in domestic

Mohammad Talha : Rubbish in international and averages 27 in domestic , was never a deserving candidate.

Junaid Khan : Decent in international considering he has played most of his test matches in subcontinent and uae , and averages 21 in doemstic.

Ehsan Adil : Hasn't played enough international cricket and is averaging 19 in domestic.

Wahab Riaz : Rubbish in international cricket lately and does not have a flattering domestic record either.


Sadaf Hussain : Still waiting for his first international chance , averages 18 in domestic with 20 5 fers and 5 10 fers in only 51 domestic matches.

Mir Hamza : Another exciting prospect.


The longer we stick with wahab riaz and talha , the longer we will take to find a good bowler.

 

[Haz95]

Haz95 alias Jothishi Maharaj

who teh hecks that?

Most domestic bowlers only swing the old ball with reverse. I've seen this guy's action and he could definitely swing the new ball. Whether it's effective at around 135ks is the question, but I would reckon he would be far more effective than the 140ks bowlers who bowl gun barrel straight at the moment.

All of our domestic bowlers are either gun barrel straight or reverse swingers. However somehow in FC cricket itself, they all become Ambroses and McGraths with the new ball.

 

[Saj]

This guy was mentioned as a good bowler by Zia-ul-Haq in his interview with us (sticky thread).

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

replace the 'can't' with a 'won't be able to'
I've seen too much like Cheemas, Asad Alis and Talhas to be impressed by this trundler.

add ehsan adil too

 

[Cricketfan no 1]

Rahat Ali : Can swing in international matches and averages 21 in domestic

Mohammad Talha : Rubbish in international and averages 27 in domestic , was never a deserving candidate.

Junaid Khan : Decent in international considering he has played most of his test matches in subcontinent and uae , and averages 21 in doemstic.

Ehsan Adil : Hasn't played enough international cricket and is averaging 19 in domestic.

Wahab Riaz : Rubbish in international cricket lately and does not have a flattering domestic record either.


Sadaf Hussain : Still waiting for his first international chance , averages 18 in domestic with 20 5 fers and 5 10 fers in only 51 domestic matches.

Mir Hamza : Another exciting prospect.


The longer we stick with wahab riaz and talha , the longer we will take to find a good bowler.

playing in uae condition is no excuse for junaid for not swinging the ball . Rahat swung the ball in UAE. junaid is just a straight ball bowler who relies on reverse

 

[Hawkeye]

How did he do vs. Kenya in the 1st match?

4 overs for 3 runs and 2 wickets in the 2nd match so far.

Didn't watch first few overs but comments in the match thread say he has been swinging the ball both ways, and LATE swing unlike Tanvir etc.

 

[SuperMAG77]

Stunning talent. should be fast tracked to first team. Decent pace 133-136 kph. great in and out swing and as you said late swing so very little time for batsman to change stance also more accurate than zia.

Needs to be drafted as soon as possible.

 

[ramizq1]

Anyone have video clips of his bowling from the 2 games?

 

[zabalestmsm]

Beautiful action, acceptable pace, amazing control of swing, swings it both ways, intelligent! Where was he? What a talent! Really impressed with him!

 

[Anchorman]

I'm sold on him already. His ability to swing the ball both ways at will is refreshing. He also seems to have a good cricketing brain and unlike Rahat Ali, he seems to have good control over his line, which is probably because he's slower than Rahat. Anyway, I saw his spell today and I was amazed at his bowling. Must be selected after the WC.

 

[kamz]

can anyone say which ball is used in the pak A VS Kenya Match

kookaburra or Grays?

 

[JibranAnsari]

He will be selected after 5 years when all his energies will be sapped by domestic cricket.

 

[Theo_14]

We still haven't seen Sadaf and PP'ers think this talent will be fast tracked? Doubt it.

 

[Kianig89]

Could be another one from hype machine #Shanwari

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Could be another one from hype machine #Shanwari

Only one way to find out, give him a go at international level.

 

[Kianig89]

Only one way to find out, give him a go at international level.

Yes,but after WC

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes,but after WC

I would get him in one of those camps where the coaches and selectors can have a look at him, get some of the other bowlers who are being hyped like Sadaf Hussain in there too. The make a call on whether it's worth giving one of them a go in the 2 NZ ODI's. It might well be that he is more worth a go than TTF's like Sohail Tanvir or Wahab Riaz.

 

[srh]

Yes,but after WC

+1. Pakistan has to take it easy with him. Let him play more FC domestic cricket and play him in 1-2 foreign tours of Pakistan A. Also work on increasing his pace at NCA without changing his action. Pakistan cannot afford to lose another bowling talent by rushing him to international cricket too soon.

 

[Bouncer]

Could be another one from hype machine #Shanwari

Dont think so.

Shanwari and Domcile hero like Anwar Ali were made to look great because of one spell on YT. One time performance...where as first thing I noticed in this guy's YT clip is that it is collection of different spells from different games on different grounds in different bowling conditions and in all of those different games he is producing good swing and consistent results.

So I do not think your comparison is accurate.

 

[Bouncer]

Looks a very fine prospect indeed, but swinging our domestic ball and swinging Kookaburra are two different things.

All of our bowlers swing the ball in domestic cricket but no one but Rahat does it at the international level. I'm sick of our bowlers bowling gun barrel straight with not a hint of movement and even more sick of the apologists making excusing for their inability to swing the ball.

This is ALSO one thing that came to my mind. The quality of ball in Pak domestic favors seam bowling and makes people look much better than they actually are.


But I would still take a chance on this guy than on Umar Gul, SOhail Tanveer, Anwar Ali etc.

 

[Kianig89]

Dont think so.

Shanwari and Domcile hero like Anwar Ali were made to look great because of one spell on YT. One time performance...where as first thing I noticed in this guy's YT clip is that it is collection of different spells from different games on different grounds in different bowling conditions and in all of those different games he is producing good swing and consistent results.

So I do not think your comparison is accurate.

There are too many donestic champs in Pakistanwho flopped at international level so let hom make his debut play 3-4 games then we willsee whether he is the real deal

 

[Bouncer]

Looks a very fine prospect indeed, but swinging our domestic ball and swinging Kookaburra are two different things.

All of our bowlers swing the ball in domestic cricket but no one but Rahat does it at the international level. I'm sick of our bowlers bowling gun barrel straight with not a hint of movement and even more sick of the apologists making excusing for their inability to swing the ball.

Also read here on why I think this guy is a good potential.

Dont think so.

Shanwari and Domcile hero like Anwar Ali were made to look great because of one spell on YT. One time performance...where as first thing I noticed in this guy's YT clip is that it is collection of different spells from different games on different grounds in different bowling conditions and in all of those different games he is producing good swing and consistent results.

So I do not think your comparison is accurate.

 

[as-95]

can anyone say which ball is used in the pak A VS Kenya Match

kookaburra or Grays?

+1 any ideas guys. This will give an indication of whether he can replicate this in international cricket. Still think kookas should be used in our domestic. Will prepare our players much better.

 

[Bouncer]

There are too many donestic champs in Pakistanwho flopped at international level so let hom make his debut play 3-4 games then we willsee whether he is the real deal

Why those guys do not (appear to) do well....I have a separate opinion on that that doesn't need to be discussed in this thread.

 

[Professor]

IIRC this guy wasn't even selected in the Karachi Dolphins squad in the last T20 tournament, just shows how corrupt and idiotic our regional selectors are.

Anyways hope Hamza plays for Pakistan soon and isn't treated like Sadaf Hussain.

 

[sunnykhan]

Mir Hamza too have a domicile. No matter how good he is. He has one thing that takes to be in the team #DOMICILE ).

 

[Bouncer]

IIRC this guy wasn't even selected in the Karachi Dolphins squad in the last T20 tournament, just shows how corrupt and idiotic our regional selectors are.

Anyways hope Hamza plays for Pakistan soon and isn't treated like Sadaf Hussain.

Oh well.....No comments.

 

[Madplayer]

+1 any ideas guys. This will give an indication of whether he can replicate this in international cricket. Still think kookas should be used in our domestic. Will prepare our players much better.

i think grays is used

 

[Nothing matters]

I remember i read on PP a while ago that they are now using kookuburas? Are they still using those local balls or kookuburas?

 

[disc]

Ajmal playing with him in Pak A matches vs Kenya, he might recommend him?

 

[zabalestmsm]

Could be another one from hype machine #Shanwari

Not from a hype machine! Watch his bowling and then decide by yourself! He is damn impressive!

 

[Saj]

Interviewed Mir earlier today.

He said he's read every single post on PakPassion about himself

The interview with him will be published in the next couple of days.

 

[srh]

Interviewed Mir earlier today.

He said he's read every single post on PakPassion about himself

The interview with him will be published in the next couple of days.

Saj did you give him any tips about improving any part of his bowling which you think he can improve on?

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

Makes me wonder if players like Younis and Shafiq read pakpassion. If they do then they don't have an ounce of respect

 

[Hawkeye]

Bowling for Sindh today.

No swing today so far, and pace seems to be around 125-132 kph. Similar to Anwar Ali's pace.

 

[Xoib]

to be honest looks a very average talent. This pace will be cannon fodder at the top level we use to make fun of Indian trundlers and we are churnng out these trundlers far more then they do these days. He is quite accurate and had decent control but has no real spark to stand apart from the crowd. Even Junaid Khan on his debut looked sharper and a bettter bowler then him.

 

[hur rizvi]

to be honest looks a very average talent. This pace will be cannon fodder at the top level we use to make fun of Indian trundlers and we are churnng out these trundlers far more then they do these days. He is quite accurate and had decent control but has no real spark to stand apart from the crowd. Even Junaid Khan on his debut looked sharper and a bettter bowler then him.

I would want our best domestic performers to get consistent chance, dont care what pace they bowl

 

[Xoib]

with this pace he can only be a real threat at test level if he is as skilfull as Asif or Philander which I very much doubt he is.

 

[hur rizvi]

with this pace he can only be a real threat at test level if he is as skilfull as Asif or Philander which I very much doubt he is.

And that we can decide only after giving him consistent chance, he has been great at domestic level so deserves a chance

 

[Xoib]

And that we can decide only after giving him consistent chance, he has been great at domestic level so deserves a chance

if this is the best our domestic cricket can produce then I dread for our future will be another Abdur Rauf when he plays for Pakistan.

 

[hur rizvi]

if this is the best our domestic cricket can produce then I dread for our future will be another Abdur Rauf when he plays for Pakistan.

So be it, we have to award our best domestic performers, If he doesnt take his chance discard him but atleast give him chance to prove himseld, same goes for Sadaf Hussain

 

[Xoib]

Sadaf does not get picked because he is slow if he is slower then this guy then he must be bowling at Ganguly's pace.

 

[Pete Rose]

I trust our selectors to know more about poking bowlers than batsmen.

 

[Pete Rose]

*picking

 

[Abdullah]

Surely we have to pick players based on how they do in domestic- or recent international performance.

As the boy has not played international cricket this means we have to pick based on his domestic stats.

In England that would mean Mir and Sadaf are the ''next cab off the ranks''

Or do we want to just people to keep picking their family members and TTFs

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

I trust our selectors to know more about poking bowlers than batsmen.

Imran Khan, Sohail Tanvir and Tanvir Ahmed say hi

 

[Pete Rose]

Imran Khan, Sohail Tanvir and Tanvir Ahmed say hi

And all of them have had their good and bad moments, but when we actually 'watch' them and not their stats, they at least look like they can get the ball to the batsmen vs some of these new dibbly doubly variety. Feel like I am watching english county cricket from the 90's with no hopers like mark ealham

 

[Pete Rose]

Surely we have to pick players based on how they do in domestic- or recent international performance.

As the boy has not played international cricket this means we have to pick based on his domestic stats.

In England that would mean Mir and Sadaf are the ''next cab off the ranks''

Or do we want to just people to keep picking their family members and TTFs

What is the job of a selector, in your view?

 

[hur rizvi]

Sadaf does not get picked because he is slow if he is slower then this guy then he must be bowling at Ganguly's pace.

So what didnt you see trent copeland play for Australia he was bowling at 75mph

 

[Cricket_Engineer]

And all of them have had their good and bad moments, but when we actually 'watch' them and not their stats, they at least look like they can get the ball to the batsmen vs some of these new dibbly doubly variety. Feel like I am watching english county cricket from the 90's with no hopers like mark ealham

You may argue that with fake IK and Tool kit, but you clearly didn't see Tanvir Ahmed then

 

[Pete Rose]

You may argue that with fake IK and Tool kit, but you clearly didn't see Tanvir Ahmed then

Actually I did, when he picked up 4 wickets in next to no time against South Africa in Abu dhabi.

 

[hur rizvi]

Actually I did, when he picked up 4 wickets in next to no time against South Africa in Abu dhabi.

I can assure you Hamza is faster than Tool kit and has much better domestic stats

 

[Pete Rose]

I can assure you Hamza is faster than Tool kit and has much better domestic stats

I am sure he is. And he will find his way in to the squad when the time is right

 

[m.shah]

didnt look that spcl

 

[Abdullah]

What is the job of a selector, in your view?

The below is a part of it;

To watch a few more games live in the ground- in order to build up a first hand knowledge of the first class players-
Be up to speed with who is doing well or not.
If there is somebody who is doing well and looks a prospect to watch them live a few times.

If they can pick out somebody who they feel has potential to do well -even if they are not producing the runs/wickets they could or should at this stage but is young enough to develop. England did this with Joe Root whose record with Yorkshire wasn't the greatest.

Not just keep going back to TTFs and family members and doing a grave injustice to people who are currently performing well.

 

[Pete Rose]

The below is a part of it;

To watch a few more games live in the ground- in order to build up a first hand knowledge of the first class players-
Be up to speed with who is doing well or not.
If there is somebody who is doing well and looks a prospect to watch them live a few times.

If they can pick out somebody who they feel has potential to do well -even if they are not producing the runs/wickets they could or should at this stage but is young enough to develop. England did this with Joe Root whose record with Yorkshire wasn't the greatest.

Not just keep going back to TTFs and family members and doing a grave injustice to people who are currently performing well.

so how so you know thats not being done so far?

 

[Abdullah]

so how so you know thats not being done so far?

Have you been watching what happens in the last 5 years-

How many ''recalls'' have people like Malik Farhat Kamran Sohail T had in those times???

No other country does it like this- you come in, you get a fair crack, you are dropped, you do it again in domestic, you are picked again in a while, you get a fair crack, then that is IT!! 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Fine they may be able to do it in domestic but they have had a fair crack in international cricket now.

 

[Pete Rose]

Have you been watching what happens in the last 5 years-

How many ''recalls'' have people like Malik Farhat Kamran Sohail T had in those times???

No other country does it like this- you come in, you get a fair crack, you are dropped, you do it again in domestic, you are picked again in a while, you get a fair crack, then that is IT!! 8 or 9 times out of 10.
Fine they may be able to do it in domestic but they have had a fair crack in international cricket now.

i think there are two issues here:
- the weight of your performance in domestic cricket should be a factor (not the only factor, of course). So if discarded players do well in domestic, selectors have to set a criteria of why they should be allowed back in again to the team, unless the selectors have the confidence to say "no, you are done no more chances for you, no matter how well you do" For that to happen, the domestic teams need to drop these players
- sometimes international "ttfs" do well in domestic because they are used to the pressures of international cricket: meaning they are potentially better than domestic, but short of international standard. Perhaps the selectors need to give more weight to domestic uncapped players vs. the international players.