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[VIDEO] Naseem Shah making fun of Azam Khan at the BPL - Body Shaming or Harmless Fun?

Was Naseem Shah Body Shaming Azam Khan or just having harmless fun?

  • Yes, nothing sinister - just harmless fun

    Votes: 19 82.6%

  • No, unacceptable and a case of Body Shaming

    Votes: 4 17.4%
  • Total voters
    23
To be honest, first time I looked at it, I felt it was unnecessary but looking at it again, seemed a bit of fun and some private joke maybe between both.

But there is an element of body shaming in this which is worrying.

Your views?
 
Depends on which frame of reference you use.

From western standards, yes, this is body shaming and unnecessary.

From desi norms - it’s only a harmless fun.
 
They played for the same team in PSL (QG) until Azam Khan moved to IU. So I believe they do have that bit of frankness with each other.

However, something to be careful of especially when you are not in your private space and rather on the ground. He is a young guy, will learn and improve if he has right people around him.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Depends on which frame of reference you use.

From western standards, yes, this is body shaming and unnecessary.

From desi norms - it’s only a harmless fun.
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Yes, everyone should understand the culture both belong to and then comment. This kind of stuff is normal in Pakistan, especially if you are fat or a has a darker skin colour than rest. But even if I understand this culture, it's still blameworthy, should not happen, but again it wont change.
 
there is no such thing as body shamming in sports.

If you are fat, and try to play professional sports, you should be made fun of. Athletes compete here
 
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Colorblind Genius said:
Depends on which frame of reference you use.

From western standards, yes, this is body shaming and unnecessary.

From desi norms - it’s only a harmless fun.
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frame of refrence does not even matter here.

In professional sports, where you get paid to play a game, you need to be atheletic. Azam Khan kind of weight and calling himself an athlete is a joke itself.

Think about a fat runner trying to compete in the 100 meter sprint. Offcourse the guy would be made fun off.

Fat shaming is only a thing when you are making of someones weight outside of an atheletic sport
 
I think this woke culture has got out of hand now. Seriously you cant say being fat in sports is justified and anyone making fun of a fat so called athlete is wrong. The whole argument is illogical.
 
Major said:
frame of refrence does not even matter here.

In professional sports, where you get paid to play a game, you need to be atheletic. Azam Khan kind of weight and calling himself an athlete is a joke itself.

Think about a fat runner trying to compete in the 100 meter sprint. Offcourse the guy would be made fun off.

Fat shaming is only a thing when you are making of someones weight outside of an atheletic sport
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Lol, stupid example and comparison. If the 'fat' runner is good enough to compete there should be no issues. If he is not good enough he should not be there.

Same way if Azam Khan is not good enough he should not be there. I think I am a better athlete than him but I have no chance against him when it comes to batting, so which player would a captain prefer? Me as an athlete or Azam Khan as a destructive batter?
 
IAJ said:
Lol, stupid example and comparison. If the 'fat' runner is good enough to compete there should be no issues. If he is not good enough he should not be there.

Same way if Azam Khan is not good enough he should not be there. I think I am a better athlete than him but I have no chance against him when it comes to batting, so which player would a captain prefer? Me as an athlete or Azam Khan as a destructive batter?
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the only person who is talking stupid is you.

If you are fat, you shouldn't be playing as a professional sportsman in a game that requires athleticism. Its an insult. Cricket requires atheleticism, Azam Khan hides himself by keeping wickets and he is a terrible wicekt keepr.

You wanna know the reason why he is terrible? Because he is fat. There is no pointin ignoring the obvious.

Anyways, if he wants to play sports with that body weight, he cant cry about fat shamming.
 
Doesn't matter Naseem will be forgotten in 2 years whereas Azam will win us many matches.
 
Major said:
frame of refrence does not even matter here.

In professional sports, where you get paid to play a game, you need to be atheletic. Azam Khan kind of weight and calling himself an athlete is a joke itself.

Think about a fat runner trying to compete in the 100 meter sprint. Offcourse the guy would be made fun off.

Fat shaming is only a thing when you are making of someones weight outside of an atheletic sport
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Azam Khan is a cricketer and not just an athlete. The two are not necessarily synonomous. As a cricketer, his role is to maximize his ability to score and give his team the best possibility of winning. He is not there to run a hundred meters.
Weight and build are not necessarily due to diet, exercise and life style. They are multifactorial and dependent on metabolism and genetics.
Azam Khan is extremely talented and skilled. We should grant him opportunities based on his talent and not on our superficial perceptions.
 
Seems like a bit of a smile from Azam Khan, but I think Naseem should have left it there instead of walking behind him and mocking him behind his back.
 
Azam needs some tough love. The guy has now had international exposure for almost 5 years and he is still in the same overweight shape
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Doesn't matter Naseem will be forgotten in 2 years whereas Azam will win us many matches.
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Naseem is so overrated it is not even funny. A joke of a bowler in Tests and he took 3 wickets in the entire T20 World Cup.

However, Azam has no international future if he doesn’t improve his fitness.
 
Azam Khan seems to have put on more weight. Kudos to him for playing cricket at that weight.
 
Bodyshaming a professional sportsman is not even a thing, stop being so sensitive
 
I think mocking anyone for their shape, looks, voice quality / speech, or stammering etc. is just insensitive. You're here to play cricket in whatever shape you are, just do that and mind your own business.
Especially Indians and Pakistanis have this weird sense of entitlement on what is acceptable and what's not. We're among the most intolerant people, will call others out for their size, color, speech, religion, caste, looks, and what not without even realizing it is offensive. I don't think Naseem even realizes what he's doing is wrong - his intention is not to hurt Azam in any way, he just thinks it's totally acceptable to do this, just like a vast majority of subcontinent people do. Sad!
 
zamana said:
Azam Khan is a cricketer and not just an athlete. The two are not necessarily synonomous. As a cricketer, his role is to maximize his ability to score and give his team the best possibility of winning. He is not there to run a hundred meters.
Weight and build are not necessarily due to diet, exercise and life style. They are multifactorial and dependent on metabolism and genetics.
Azam Khan is extremely talented and skilled. We should grant him opportunities based on his talent and not on our superficial perceptions.
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As a cricketer you still need to pass multiple fitness tests abd that should be for every player.
 
I am concerned about Naseem Shah. A tiny bit of fame and mostly Indian fan following has gone to his head.

I can easily see him making an even bigger fool of himself in the future.
 
The concept of body shaming is complete nonsense. People need a reason to be offended nowadays, and for fat people, it would be someone making fun of their fatness.

Being obese and fat isn’t healthy. Instead of getting offended, maybe fat people should lose weight.
 
I dont feel thats body shaming. Hes just making fun of the way Azam walks. I found it funny and harmless banter.
 
one of the greatest batsmen in our cricketing history would never be selected for pakistan nowadays with all this emphasis on fitness. yes fitness is very important. but look what inzi bhai accomplished despite never being "fit". a system that would prevent his selection is a dumb and self-destructive one. we need mentally tough and skilled players who can go toe to toe with the top international players. it doesn't matter what they look like. what matters is their performance.

to be clear, i'm not saying azam khan's performance is anywhere near where inzamam's was. just pointing out that it is highly unlikely that inzamam would be selected nowadays, even though he's one of the greatest players we have ever produced
 
Azam Khan is in that Inzamam position now. If he loses weight now he may lose whatever little ability he has to begin with.

He learned to play cricket as a fat kid and hence his technique and ability to hit the ball are predicated on his weight, body dimensions, strength.

Atleast now he can hack his way through T20 leagues because he has a good SR against spin and data merchants like that I guess. If he loses that too, what will he do then?
 
Context: Inzi famously slimmed up significantly before the 2003 WC. And ended up averaging 3.25 in the tournament. He was smart enough to go back to his old physique after that tournament.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Context: Inzi famously slimmed up significantly before the 2003 WC. And ended up averaging 3.25 in the tournament. He was smart enough to go back to his old physique after that tournament.
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Correlation does not imply causation.

Elite athletes are superstitious lot. And are quick to go back to comforting familiarity when facing rough times. There is no advantage to body fat and excess weight in cricket. This isn't a contact sport.

Most elite fat athletes have good muscles below that fat anyway. I don't know how inzi lost weight so I can't comment on him specifically but if he had lost that fat the right way, he should not have had any problem from it. Losing form is quite natural for any cricketer.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Azam Khan is in that Inzamam position now. If he loses weight now he may lose whatever little ability he has to begin with.

He learned to play cricket as a fat kid and hence his technique and ability to hit the ball are predicated on his weight, body dimensions, strength.

Atleast now he can hack his way through T20 leagues because he has a good SR against spin and data merchants like that I guess. If he loses that too, what will he do then?
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Interesting point.

But if he doesn't at least try to get slim he is accepting that his level is pyjama leagues and he will never play international cricket.

Must be pretty difficult to get so close to playing for your country only to let it slip because you couldn't maintain the short term pain of a calorie deficit.
 
proud_pakistani said:
I dont feel thats body shaming. Hes just making fun of the way Azam walks. I found it funny and harmless banter.
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It's only banter if Azam is laughing too. It isn't clear how close these two really are and how harmless this is.

The fact is that unless Azam is part of this joke then it is borderline at best, active bullying at worst.
 
Major said:
there is no such thing as body shamming in sports.

If you are fat, and try to play professional sports, you should be made fun of. Athletes compete here
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Azam Khan seems like the kind of over confident arrogant guy who would body shame other even while looking like that
 
hitthestump said:
Interesting point.

But if he doesn't at least try to get slim he is accepting that his level is pyjama leagues and he will never play international cricket.

Must be pretty difficult to get so close to playing for your country only to let it slip because you couldn't maintain the short term pain of a calorie deficit.
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Well tbh he's not international material. He has zero temperament, skill and discipline. He can hit a few sixes but even that is cancelled out by his egregious fitness. He can't be compared to numerous others who can do more with the bat and are fitter and more hungrier to play for Pakistan.

At the same time, he is perfect for international leagues. Because statistically he does have a very good record when it comes to hitting spin and can be positioned in the middle order. Fitness is not that much of an issue in a format like T20 where its just 20 overs. His availability is not a concern either because he never plays for Pakistan, and with the ever-growing number of T20 leagues, he is going to be a useful commodity in the T20 mercenary market.
 
JattMaula said:
Correlation does not imply causation.

Elite athletes are superstitious lot. And are quick to go back to comforting familiarity when facing rough times. There is no advantage to body fat and excess weight in cricket. This isn't a contact sport.

Most elite fat athletes have good muscles below that fat anyway. I don't know how inzi lost weight so I can't comment on him specifically but if he had lost that fat the right way, he should not have had any problem from it. Losing form is quite natural for any cricketer.
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Yes. You could be right. He might have done it out of superstition. But as I mentioned above, its entirely possible that he could not bat the same way because he had been fat ever since he learned to play cricket. His body size, shape, muscles were all conditioned a certain way. When he lost weight, his dimensions changed. And its entirely possible to think that maybe he wasn't able to play some of his shots in the same way and that created doubts in his mind.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Yes. You could be right. He might have done it out of superstition. But as I mentioned above, its entirely possible that he could not bat the same way because he had been fat ever since he learned to play cricket. His body size, shape, muscles were all conditioned a certain way. When he lost weight, his dimensions changed. And its entirely possible to think that maybe he wasn't able to play some of his shots in the same way and that created doubts in his mind.
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You may be onto something. Mental effect is quite probable. As the cliché goes, cricket is 80% mental.
 
Seems all is well between the 2

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Major said:
the only person who is talking stupid is you.

If you are fat, you shouldn't be playing as a professional sportsman in a game that requires athleticism. Its an insult. Cricket requires atheleticism, Azam Khan hides himself by keeping wickets and he is a terrible wicekt keepr.

You wanna know the reason why he is terrible? Because he is fat. There is no pointin ignoring the obvious.

Anyways, if he wants to play sports with that body weight, he cant cry about fat shamming.
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Plenty of overweight cricketers in the game and in history. It will trouble his fielding but as a batter no issue. Cricket is hardly squash.



Mamoon said:
Naseem is so overrated it is not even funny. A joke of a bowler in Tests and he took 3 wickets in the entire T20 World Cup.

However, Azam has no international future if he doesn’t improve his fitness.
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Yes there are 38 better/faster bowlers in India. :)))
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Azam Khan is in that Inzamam position now. If he loses weight now he may lose whatever little ability he has to begin with.

He learned to play cricket as a fat kid and hence his technique and ability to hit the ball are predicated on his weight, body dimensions, strength.

Atleast now he can hack his way through T20 leagues because he has a good SR against spin and data merchants like that I guess. If he loses that too, what will he do then?
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no, inzi was an excellent timer of the ball when he was younger and slimmer too, a fit inzi would likely have averaged higher too. his 2003 experience was a result of crash dieting. if he had lost the same weight over a year rather than 2 months his body would have adapted and improved.

azam khan is an embarrassment to professional sports, he is paid very well, this is his full time job, he can afford the best trainers and dieticians, and he cannot shed the weight? its a sign that he lacks discipline. jesse ryder was fat but an excellent fielder, he was fat cos of his alcohol consumption but he still trained, fielded and bowled. azam displays minimal athleticism other than his hitting ability.

if he wants to play leagues and stay at that level, that's fine, but he's really just selling himself short, because his hitting ability is good.
 
ElRaja said:
no, inzi was an excellent timer of the ball when he was younger and slimmer too, a fit inzi would likely have averaged higher too. his 2003 experience was a result of crash dieting. if he had lost the same weight over a year rather than 2 months his body would have adapted and improved.

azam khan is an embarrassment to professional sports, he is paid very well, this is his full time job, he can afford the best trainers and dieticians, and he cannot shed the weight? its a sign that he lacks discipline. jesse ryder was fat but an excellent fielder, he was fat cos of his alcohol consumption but he still trained, fielded and bowled. azam displays minimal athleticism other than his hitting ability.

if he wants to play leagues and stay at that level, that's fine, but he's really just selling himself short, because his hitting ability is good.
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Is he so overweight due to a poor diet and lack of training or is there some sort of medical issue he has?
 
Regarding Inzi. He wasn't bulky all his career. He started as a decent athlete and put on weight later in his career. But he was also well over 6 foot tall too.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Plenty of overweight cricketers in the game and in history. It will trouble his fielding but as a batter no issue. Cricket is hardly squash.

F



Yes there are 38 better/faster bowlers in India. :)))
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at cricketers list:
WG Grace
Wally Hammonds
Bill Simpson
Rod Marsh
David Boon
Merv Hughes
Ranatunga
Warwick Armstrong

And it will be Azam Khan in the future!
 
KingKhanWC said:
Is he so overweight due to a poor diet and lack of training or is there some sort of medical issue he has?
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lack of discipline, there was gym videos and posts on his insta from a few years ago where it was obvious he was losing weight, his face was a lot skinnier, and he had definition in his arms.

but at some point he decided it wasn't worth it, likely went back to the poor diet (deeper psychological issues I'm guessing), and put all the weight back on.

you can see the diff here and here pics taken two years apart.

i remember because when he was being ragged on back then, i stood up for him, because it was obvious he was very powerful underneath his fat.

and if it were medical reasons, I'm sure he has enough money to afford hormone therapy, which narrows down possible illnesses significantly.
 
umarf76 said:
at cricketers list:
WG Grace
Wally Hammonds
Bill Simpson
Rod Marsh
David Boon
Merv Hughes
Ranatunga
Warwick Armstrong

And it will be Azam Khan in the future!
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WG Grace was so big? I thought he was 12 or 13 st. Of course times have changed but if Azam was too big, he wouldnt be picked by overseas franchises.
 
ElRaja said:
lack of discipline, there was gym videos and posts on his insta from a few years ago where it was obvious he was losing weight, his face was a lot skinnier, and he had definition in his arms.

but at some point he decided it wasn't worth it, likely went back to the poor diet (deeper psychological issues I'm guessing), and put all the weight back on.

you can see the diff here and here pics taken two years apart.

i remember because when he was being ragged on back then, i stood up for him, because it was obvious he was very powerful underneath his fat.

and if it were medical reasons, I'm sure he has enough money to afford hormone therapy, which narrows down possible illnesses significantly.
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His dad must have given some sort of reasons.

Losing weight isnt very difficult , all it requires is some discipline to stop eating so much carbs, drinking loads of water and cardio. I think he may have some sort of mental issue with eating? Esp eating desi food such a rotis, naans, rice , curries etc. Asian food is the worst diet for sportsman. Im still shocked the Pak team even on tour eat such food in the evenings.
 
KingKhanWC said:
How did it end? Did Azam hit him for a few boundaries or was he out early?
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Khan only came in the last over bowled by Mosaddek in which he hit 12 runs including a six and four so good finish.
 
KingKhanWC said:
His dad must have given some sort of reasons.

Losing weight isnt very difficult , all it requires is some discipline to stop eating so much carbs, drinking loads of water and cardio. I think he may have some sort of mental issue with eating? Esp eating desi food such a rotis, naans, rice , curries etc. Asian food is the worst diet for sportsman. Im still shocked the Pak team even on tour eat such food in the evenings.
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it depends, from personal experience losing weight when i was in the "right head space" was easy, i lost nearly 30kg in 15 months which was made me feel great, but random life stuff happened and i didnt even notice and i put some back on, I'm still not nearly as fat as my fattest, but i know i need to lose it again and am slowly shedding it.

your probably right on the issue thing, frequently weight problems are a physical manifestation of deeper psychological issues you aren't dealing with. i can't comment on him, but my weight was at its highest when I was psychologically in the wrong headspace.
 
Has everyone forgot McGrath asking Sarwan why he was so fat and then Sarwan killing off McGrath with a legendary comeback?

Cricket is a sport for grown men. Phychologival warfare is part of the game. If you are a professional athlete, it is your job to be in shape and the opposition can and will use it against you if you’re not!
 
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Kroll said:
Khan only came in the last over bowled by Mosaddek in which he hit 12 runs including a six and four so good finish.
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Bad move by Naseem :))

ElRaja said:
it depends, from personal experience losing weight when i was in the "right head space" was easy, i lost nearly 30kg in 15 months which was made me feel great, but random life stuff happened and i didnt even notice and i put some back on, I'm still not nearly as fat as my fattest, but i know i need to lose it again and am slowly shedding it.

your probably right on the issue thing, frequently weight problems are a physical manifestation of deeper psychological issues you aren't dealing with. i can't comment on him, but my weight was at its highest when I was psychologically in the wrong headspace.
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He may have such issues. It doesnt make sense for a cricketer not to care.

I would advise to just drink loads of water and run/walk as much as you can. Treadmill is the best but any excercise helps. It also helps with issues in the midn, hope you stay well bro.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Bad move by Naseem :))



He may have such issues. It doesnt make sense for a cricketer not to care.

I would advise to just drink loads of water and run/walk as much as you can. Treadmill is the best but any excercise helps. It also helps with issues in the midn, hope you stay well bro.
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yep, thx, walks, gym, getting outside, eating clean basically.
 
MenInG said:
Absolutely and a lesson for all in every field of life, especially those in front of cameras.
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I think it was 13 runs that Azam Khan hit off Naseem’s six deliveries. An absolute wrecking! Payback is indeed a dessert served sweet.
 
Naseem was just having a light hearted moment in that BPL game, I don't think he meant to offend Azam Khan. I saw the other day how disappointed Naseem was after going for runs, he is a very good young cricketer with an excellent attitude.
 
Have things gone out of control on social media as far as Azam Khan is concerned?
 
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