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[VIDEO] "Our brand has to be team first, before individuals": Mickey Arthur

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Mickey Arthur chats to Saj about wanting to implement an attacking brand in Test cricket, Babar Azam’s captaincy, Pakistan’s chances at the Asia Cup and World Cup, Mohammad Rizwan’s batting position in ODIs, responds to Imam-ul-Haq’s comments about selection, his excitement at working with Pakistan’s young talent, Pakistan cricket culture, the accusations of players putting individual performances ahead of the team.


 
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Usual sound bites by Mickey with no substance. I would like to hear his assessment of Pakistan’s awful Test results on his watch and what will be different this time.
 
The culture within the team with personal milestones is deep rooted. Wont change. Unless major changes are done.
 
I love Mickey and I think he is good for Pakistan, but not sure how much success is he going to have in this current set up where he is not exactly the head coach.
 
Usual sound bites by Mickey with no substance. I would like to hear his assessment of Pakistan’s awful Test results on his watch and what will be different this time.

Not everyone is fixated on the past and specifically what went wrong. There’s a lot to look forward to for Pak cricket, most will want to focus on that.
 
The culture within the team with personal milestones is deep rooted. Wont change. Unless major changes are done.

It’s not deep rooted yet. It’s only a very recent obsession by both players and fans. Can easily be rooted out by prioritizing results over all else
 
Not everyone is fixated on the past and specifically what went wrong. There’s a lot to look forward to for Pak cricket, most will want to focus on that.

There is nothing to look forward to in Test cricket. They don’t have the resources. The only format where things are shaping up nicely is ODIs thanks to a very effective top 3.

Mickey needs to be asked, or reminded, about Pakistan’s shocking performances in Test cricket during his previous tenure because it seems that he doesn’t care or is not aware of how much the Test team regressed under him.
 
Lol, isn't that the case in any team game? Goes to show how messed up their thinking is, players and fans alike.
 
Lol, isn't that the case in any team game? Goes to show how messed up their thinking is, players and fans alike.

Well several Pakistani players have been accused of putting themselves ahead of the team and that's the point Mickey was addressing.
 
It’s not deep rooted yet. It’s only a very recent obsession by both players and fans. Can easily be rooted out by prioritizing results over all else

Its very deep rooted actually. The so called main 2 players (Captain and Rizwan) are ultra obsessed with stats and personal glory. Captain has no vision, no idea how to move the team forward. Only busy scoring runs for himself.
 
Right now our brand is Friends/Shaan first... hopefully it goes to team/deserving players first.
 
Its very deep rooted actually. The so called main 2 players (Captain and Rizwan) are ultra obsessed with stats and personal glory. Captain has no vision, no idea how to move the team forward. Only busy scoring runs for himself.

It's going to be an interesting period in Pakistan cricket.

I cannot imagine Mickey being bothered with individual stats - he just wants the team to win, whereas others might be more interested in personal achievements and milestones.
 
Well several Pakistani players have been accused of putting themselves ahead of the team and that's the point Mickey was addressing.

I agree Saj. The thinking of the fans seems no different, many fans I've seen here care more about their favt player's ranking instead of the team ranking.

This mentality has to change.
 
Big job on his hands then. PCT is like their own social club for some players.
 
Good interview.

Seems Mickey genuinely loves Pakistan cricket and will work hard to help Pak to more glory.

His point on structure for players is interesting.
 
I liked this interview and liked that Micky specifically gave an example of a quick 40 lower down the order being better than a sedate 70 at the top of the order in T20s.

He tried to be diplomatic about it, but it's clear that players going for personal stats is something he wants to sort out.
 
I also liked how he wants to change Pakistan's safety first approach recently in test cricket. I have hated how Pakistan has played tests lately. The Aussie series in particular was awful. Ramiz was the clown in that undertaking, so it's funny how he said appointing Micky was a clown move or whatever.
 
While there is some merit to the notion that every player must play to the team's benefit and not for personal glory, I find this idea to be greatly exaggerated to the point where even a tremendous individual performance is relegated to the bin.

To be honest, I have yet to see a great player who is not selfish. Who is not selfish about his personal milestones. To his personal glory. To me, the reason why he has become a great player is because he is selfish to stand out from the rest of the pack whether in terms of runs or wickets or goals scored.

Messi, Neymar, Cristiano, Salah, Lewandowski all are extremely selfish footballers when it comes to scoring goals. There have been innumerable times when these players have refused to pass the ball to another player who is clearly in a better position to score. They would rather try and score a goal from an unfavorable position than pass the ball. The reason why they do that is because media always celebrates the goalscorer. Nobody cares about the beautiful build-up play that the teammates conjured up to set up a goal for Cristiano. Only the goalscorer gets the plaudits. History books will always glorify the goal scorer.

It's the same in cricket. Babar, Virat, Tendulkar, Lara are elite batsmen and they are all selfish by nature. It's their selfishness that has transcended their standings in the world of sport. Lara's 400 not out was the epitome of selfishness but history books will never reflect that. What history books reflect is that Lara is the only man who has not only scored 400 in an innings but also the only man to have broken the most runs in a Test innings record twice. Elite sportsmen thrive on this media glorification. It's like oxygen to them.

What can also be argued for is that selfishness is also inherently beneficial to the team in some situations. When Tendulkar got out in the 1990s, that used to be literally the end of India's challenge. So during the innings itself, was Tendulkar being selfish in playing for his score? Who is to decide whether selfishness was in the team cause or the individual cause? Except maybe after the event itself.

Selfishness to me is really intrinsic to greatness. You guys would know Bradman as the greatest batsman of all time. But how many of you know that Bradman played very little cricket on wet tracks because his logic was that his value to the team as its core batsman would diminish if he played on such tracks and that there were better batsmen in the team in such conditions. Isn't this peak selfishness? It kept his average inflated. But now wouldn't you categorize this as selfishness to the team's cause?

Also, why is your best batsman batting at number 4 in Test Cricket? The irrefutable reason is that it allows your best batter to bat at a time when the ball has gone old, doesn't swing, the pacers are off and your best batter can make hay when the sun is shining. Why not have your best batter face the most testing conditions in Test cricket? Surely you would have your best batter bat when the going gets tough as he's the one who should be most adept at countering the conditions. No?

So when people throw around the word selfishness, it's not always bad for the team's cause. Elite players will always be selfish. They are trained to be selfish. It's the one reason that they become elite in the first place. Some form of selfishness will always be good for the team.
 
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If Najam Sethi is removed as PCB Chairman, I wonder where that leaves Mickey Arthur and his position with the PCB.
 
Why the doom and gloom from other posters?

Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel

.......make four top Test batsmen. That's incredible progress for Pakistan.

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

..... are two excellent quicks. Compare with India, where even the so-called youngster Siraj is already 29 and losing pace.

Add in Shadab Khan who in SENA is the ideal sole spinner (i.e. he can field and average 35 with the bat).

And either Faheem Ashraf or Mohammad Wasim as a quick fourth seamer all-rounder in SENA.

Pakistan has around 80% of the components that Mickey Arthur requires. And they are young enough too.
 
Why the doom and gloom from other posters?

Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel

.......make four top Test batsmen. That's incredible progress for Pakistan.

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

..... are two excellent quicks. Compare with India, where even the so-called youngster Siraj is already 29 and losing pace.

Add in Shadab Khan who in SENA is the ideal sole spinner (i.e. he can field and average 35 with the bat).

And either Faheem Ashraf or Mohammad Wasim as a quick fourth seamer all-rounder in SENA.

Pakistan has around 80% of the components that Mickey Arthur requires. And they are young enough too.

What a ridiculous post

Rizwan can’t bat

How is he a ‘top batsman’??
 
What a ridiculous post

Rizwan can’t bat

How is he a ‘top batsman’??

Since his comeback in 2019, this is Rizwan's Test record in SENA:

In Australia:
37 and 95
0 and 45

In England:
9 and 27
72 and 53

In New Zealand:
71 and 60
61 and 10

Six fifties in 12 innings looks pretty good to me!
 
Since his comeback in 2019, this is Rizwan's Test record in SENA:

In Australia:
37 and 95
0 and 45

In England:
9 and 27
72 and 53

In New Zealand:
71 and 60
61 and 10

Six fifties in 12 innings looks pretty good to me!

I don’t give two hoots about his record

I’ve seen enough cricket and Rizwan’s batting to tell you

THE GUY IS NO BATSMAN
 
The real Arthur litmus test is the Test series in Aus. WCs can be unpredictable
 
I don’t give two hoots about his record

I’ve seen enough cricket and Rizwan’s batting to tell you

THE GUY IS NO BATSMAN

Well He is a batsman, but I sort of agree, his peak was late 2019 - late 2021, where he played some amazing innings as pointed by Junaids in that above post.

But he just isn't a very good batsman, and now that (I believe) he is past his peak, he wont be playing those innings often.
 
I don’t give two hoots about his record

I’ve seen enough cricket and Rizwan’s batting to tell you

THE GUY IS NO BATSMAN

How does that matter? As long as he scores runs, he can be called a tailender for all he cares.
 
Why the doom and gloom from other posters?

Abdullah Shafique
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Saud Shakeel

.......make four top Test batsmen. That's incredible progress for Pakistan.

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

..... are two excellent quicks. Compare with India, where even the so-called youngster Siraj is already 29 and losing pace.

Add in Shadab Khan who in SENA is the ideal sole spinner (i.e. he can field and average 35 with the bat).

And either Faheem Ashraf or Mohammad Wasim as a quick fourth seamer all-rounder in SENA.

Pakistan has around 80% of the components that Mickey Arthur requires. And they are young enough too.
This is a seriously good post. Folks don't realise how good Pakistan have become and how they are most likely tin Test series in Australia. If India with Siraj could win, Pakistan should look to dominate Australia in Australia
 
Some players still playing for themselves in my opinion.
 
This is a seriously good post. Folks don't realise how good Pakistan have become and how they are most likely tin Test series in Australia. If India with Siraj could win, Pakistan should look to dominate Australia in Australia

I swear we just lost to them in our own back yard. We’re not a good team, we have good individual players but they’ve yet to achieve a major series win outside of the SC.
 
We saw some changes in our mindset in the Tests recently, will we see similar in ODIs too?
 
We saw some changes in our mindset in the Tests recently, will we see similar in ODIs too?

Unfortunately, if there was supposed to be a mindset change in ODIs too..it would have shown atleast glimpses of it in this series..esp in the second ODI..but there was not even an iota of such sign.. same boring comservative batting in the middle overs from Babar and Imam..requiring other batters to do the heavy lifting in late overs, while batting comservatively themselves..typical old approach from Pak…although I was expecting a change as Grant bradburn said that we need to change our approach in middle overs,..
its surprising that PK was able to adopt a different approach right from the first test..but showed no such sign in ODIs at all..
 
Just a reminder that Pakistan got all out for 201 against this bowling line up. This Afghanistan bowling line up is one of the best bowling line ups in these conditions and a conservative approach was needed when you are dealing with the likes of Rashid, Mujeeb and Nabi.

One of the biggest wins Pakistan would consider in this match is that they only gave away 3 wickets to spin, all in aggressive shots, no wickets were taken by Rashid Khan and on a spinning pitch. They then took their fast bowlers to the cleaners in the opening and end overs.

One point of criticism would be that they failed to accelerate at the right time and once they did decide to accelerate, they failed to do so and just lost wickets. The idea would of been to set a base at the 30 over mark and then accelerate, unfortunately Babar lost his wicket and that resulted in a clump of wickets with some obvious attempts to accelerate by the way Salman and Usama were playing but crashing and burning.

Overall this was a good team chase that required every team members participation, a 8/10 chase in terms of marks. Pakistan lost 0.5 marks for Babar's getting out when acceleration was required, 0.5 marks for Imam not capitalizing in the position he was in and taking the game to the finish and 1 marks loss for both Salman and Iftikhar's innings. Other than that, this was a very well planned out chase against a good spin bowling team in spin bowling conditions, Pakistan just lacked in execution but was awarded for their plan in the end by there talented lower order players.
 
The initial 25 overs had set up the match for Pakistan; otherwise, chasing would have become quite challenging.
 
Kamran Akmal with some advice for Pakistan.

"In modern-day cricket, every batsman has to play positive. If we can't score 300 against this team, can we do that when we face India in the Asia Cup? It becomes pretty difficult. It was a good practice opportunity for Pakistan team, we got a chance in two games to bat first and put on a big score. The batters should've shown more responsibility"
 
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Mickey Arthur seeing Pakistan's fielding problems...
 
Kamran Akmal with some advice for Pakistan.

"In modern-day cricket, every batsman has to play positive. If we can't score 300 against this team, can we do that when we face India in the Asia Cup? It becomes pretty difficult. It was a good practice opportunity for Pakistan team, we got a chance in two games to bat first and put on a big score. The batters should've shown more responsibility"
Everytime an akmal opens his mouth and talks about responsibility I laugh..
 
Everytime an akmal opens his mouth and talks about responsibility I laugh..
The message is great, but the messenger I agree, can’t take him seriously.

Should have just not mentioned his name and just said “ex pak cricketer says….”
 
Painful this.

Yes you are chasing a huge target, but the chase has been laboured, lacked proper planning and thought.

Awful viewing so far.
 
Mickey Arthur has now arrived in India to join the Pakistan squad for the World Cup

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Let me rephrase this

Our brand has to be friends first, before individuals": Mickey Arthur
 
This is Rohit Sharma's brand of cricket:

[Reporter:]

You've spoken this year a few times about wanting to create a brand of cricket for your team in other formats, but especially one-day cricket. So just the way you guys have played in the last 10 matches, do you think you created that brand and set the standard just internationally going forward, regardless of what happens tomorrow or in your head are you going, what brand and all – just win the game!

[Rohit Sharma:]

No, brand is important. If you have decided something we have to go and implement that and I thought guys have implemented that you can see with the scores that if we have put up on the board the way we've gone about our chases obviously you know all seven cannot just go and play widely and play that brand of cricket. Obviously, the roles have given to certain individuals as to what their roles are for this team and what can benefit the team. And I think 99.9% we played that brand of cricket. 1% that 0.1% I have taken out because you cannot always be perfect. That's why I have just taken out that 0.1% but I am very pleased with the messaging that Myself and Rahul has given to the boys and boys have responded to that pretty well. Without worrying about their place in the team, without worrying about the scores that they get, and without even worrying about what happens outside. That is the most important part, because that environment that we've created is a very special one and we want to maintain that environment as long as possible and not get faced by what happens outside or what people talk or if the score doesn't come from individuals, I don't want them to change the thought process that they were in before the start of the tournament. So, all those things are very clear with everyone. And I thought in this entire 10 games that we played; we were quite straightforward with that thought.
 
Happy Birthday to former Pakistan Champions Trophy winning coach Mickey Arthur, He turns 56 today.
 
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