[VIDEO] Our fight is against those who selected Imran Khan, says former PM Nawaz Sharif from London

[MenInG]

LAHORE: PML-Q President Ch Shujaat Hussain Monday said every time Nawaz Sharif came to power he weakened the state institutions.

Reacting to former prime minister’s speech at the All Parties Conference (APC) on Sunday, Shujaat stated the speechwriters have put Nawaz in trouble as the narrative that emerged was that he is against the institutions, not politicians.

The government had also slammed him over his remarks with one of the ministers saying that he has “declared war against nation”.

The PML-N supremo in his first political statement since he left the country in November 2019 for treatment in London lambasted the Prime Minister Imran Khan’s government and alleged that it came to power through the rigging.

"Democratic systems around the world follow the same principle. When public votes are not respected and the verdict is decided even before the elections, then we can guess the extent to which the people of this country are deceived and dodged," Nawaz had said.

"Unfortunately, Pakistan has been a laboratory for such experiments. It is not even taken into account that the democratic structure of the country is destroyed due to such tactics and the public loses faith in the system," he added.

The PML-Q president said in his speech Nawaz mentioned about rigging but forgot to mention rigging done in his favour.

The PML-N supremo said the country has been turned into a laboratory whereas he himself had laid the foundation of this laboratory and in 1990 elections he himself had announced the result at noon whereas the election commission announced the result in the evening.

 

[Mamoon]

All this topi drama struggle is to keep looted money in their possession.

Deep down Shareefs, Zardaris/Bhuttos, Mullahs and other thieves know that they are gonna have to give back the looted money. This is nothing more than a desperate attempt to keep their next generation rich.

Of course, they are disguising the whole thing as some sorta noble fight against the eStAbLiShMeNt

To quote Puff Daddy: "it's all about Benjamins baby".

No one will pay a single penny. You need to wake up.

Imran cannot do jack except make false promises.

And you know why he cannot do jack? Because his superiors, the military establishment, continue to make deals with the likes of Sharifs & Zardaris for personal gains.

If the military establishment had national interests at heart instead of selfish interests, they wouldn’t make deals with these people.

 

[Mamoon]

He made a deal with this so called establishment literally last year or so when he escaped to UK with his tail between his legs

But the real question is, why does the military establishment make deals with these people? Why don’t the so-called guardian angels of the country keep national interests above their personal interests?

Nawaz wouldn’t have escaped to the UK with his tail between his legs and would still be in jail if Bajwa wasn’t desperate to extend his tenure as COAS.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against the likes of Nawaz.

PTI youth brigade should channel their frustration and anger at the military establishment.

 

[MenInG]

The real issue is Inability of some to condemn Sharif for the criminal he is.

That is the biggest tragedy here.

 

[Mamoon]

You were on here telling us that IK wanted to kill NS, you started to get excited when Geo and the corrupt media ran a paid campaign and Minullah asked IK to guarantee he lives for 3 days. You as a total numpty called LHC as independent and free for allowing NS to go abroad without a bond of 7bn, and then a few weeks later you called the LHC a tool. So which is it? Free and independent or a tool. Talk about a confused mind.
Your ghulami and lack of self respect shows in your desire to worship 2 crooked families. Billo and the PPP are finished and no matter how many relaunches take place every week, there is no way back. His corruption and total ineptitude in Karachi and Sindh is not going to be forgotten or forgiven. As far as your crooked family favourites are concerned, yesterdays speech is a death knelt for their politics. No way can the army ever trust such traitors again. Would you trust Maryam with state secrets?
As far as the PTI is concerned, as its not a family business, it may or may not disappear but its set the agenda for PK and even if by some miracle Nani comes to power, looting with both hands will be very difficult. So IK has won.

There is never a death knell when it comes to the military establishment because they put their selfish interests above national interests.

They will keep striking deals with the Sharifs & Zardaris & Bhuttos as long as it benefits them.

Nawaz has been criticizing the military establishment for years now but that did not stop Bajwa from striking a deal with Nawaz over the Army Amendment Act.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against Nawaz. He had no problem with Nawaz leaving for London and escaping accountability as long as Bajwa got what he wanted.

A move that left Imran and PTI supporters crying. Bajwa didn’t even care about the implications that it would have on the promise that Imran made to the nation.

This is the real face of the military establishment. They don’t care about national interests or what the people want; all they care about are the interests of the military establishment.

Speaking of trust, the military does not trust any civilian. Our PM/President has no state secrets. Imran Khan knows as many state secrets as you and I do.

Nawaz, Zardari, Imran, Maryam, Bilawal etc. none of them have or will have any state secrets.

Speaking of state secrets, our former COAS Raheel “thank you” Shareef went to KSA with all his state secrets to lead the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition drama where he is making a fortune.

The same KSA that humiliated us over the Kashmir issue by ignoring Imran’s bombastic speeches and pleas. Thanks to Raheel’s greed for money, they now have our state secrets.

When Imran is gone, things will go back to normal. PTI will disintegrate and PMLN and PPP will continue to take turns in the centre.

 

[Mamoon]

The real issue is Inability of some to condemn Sharif for the criminal he is.

That is the biggest tragedy here.

And what do we think of the institution that claims to protect the country but still make deals with criminals for selfish interests?

 

[IMMY69]

There is never a death knell when it comes to the military establishment because they put their selfish interests above national interests.

They will keep striking deals with the Sharifs & Zardaris & Bhuttos as long as it benefits them.

Nawaz has been criticizing the military establishment for years now but that did not stop Bajwa from striking a deal with Nawaz over the Army Amendment Act.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against Nawaz. He had no problem with Nawaz leaving for London and escaping accountability as long as Bajwa got what he wanted.

A move that left Imran and PTI supporters crying. Bajwa didn’t even care about the implications that it would have on the promise that Imran made to the nation.

This is the real face of the military establishment. They don’t care about national interests or what the people want; all they care about are the interests of the military establishment.

Speaking of trust, the military does not trust any civilian. Our PM/President has no state secrets. Imran Khan knows as many state secrets as you and I do.

Nawaz, Zardari, Imran, Maryam, Bilawal etc. none of them have or will have any state secrets.

Speaking of state secrets, our former COAS Raheel “thank you” Shareef went to KSA with all his state secrets to lead the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition drama where he is making a fortune.

The same KSA that humiliated us over the Kashmir issue by ignoring Imran’s bombastic speeches and pleas. Thanks to Raheel’s greed for money, they now have our state secrets.

When Imran is gone, things will go back to normal. PTI will disintegrate and PMLN and PPP will continue to take turns in the centre.

Seriously what is wrong with you?

Where you live must absolutely wreak of rubbish.

 

[Mamoon]

Seriously what is wrong with you?

Where you live must absolutely wreak of rubbish.

I live in Pakistan, a place that you claim to care about but don’t care enough to live and work here and don’t care enough to make your children grow up in this country and serve.

Armchair patriotism is so easy, but if doesn’t mean anything. People like you talk good but don’t have what it takes to walk the talk.

Now perhaps you should try answering my questions for once:

How come the military keep making deals with these “criminals”?

Why did Bajwa help Nawaz escape to London in exchange for his party’s signature on the Army Amendment Act?

How is it justified to have a former COAS of Pakistani military work for the KSA government?

 

[saeedhk]

Nawaz kicked Imran out of the way like a deflated football and walked up the ramp and departed for London. Imran, despite all his wailing, weeping and shrieking, could not anything.

Nawaz has shown again who is the real boss! Immy got shaky legs when it came to actually walking the talk.

 

[Savak]

Nawaz kicked Imran out of the way like a deflated football and walked up the ramp and departed for London. Imran, despite all his wailing, weeping and shrieking, could not anything.

Nawaz has shown again who is the real boss! Immy got shaky legs when it came to actually walking the talk.

IK would have been in contempt of court had he tried to prevent NS from leaving. He showed the higher ground by letting him leave temporarily for health and humanitarian issues. It is NS and PML N who have as usual been exposed in this saga. Mark my words, Kutte ke Tarra he will be dragged back, NS.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Yeah and Pakistan's fight is against those who looted and plundered its wealth. Trust me Mian Shb, the common man is dying for you to come back...... back BEHIND BARS.

PML-N and PPP are finished. They have no vision for the country, no goals, no aspirations, NOTHING. The opposition has done literally nothing worthwhile rather they've exposed their faces as the criminals that they are by blocking FATF and Public-hanging bills. All they can do is cry all day over Bani gala, Imran Khan and Aleema Khan but the truth is they have no idea what to do. The APC is a facade to show they know what they're doing but truth is they are as hollow as Billo's skull.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Nawaz kicked Imran out of the way like a deflated football and walked up the ramp and departed for London. Imran, despite all his wailing, weeping and shrieking, could not anything.

Nawaz has shown again who is the real boss! Immy got shaky legs when it came to actually walking the talk.

So were all those health issues, doctor recommendations and humanitarian requests fake?

Damn, if we go by Nooras' latest stance, this old thief should be charged by so many new crimes.

If he stays in UK, then he will keep on barking on random YouTube videos and would be immediately arrested as soon as he steps inside Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I live in Pakistan, a place that you claim to care about but don’t care enough to live and work here and don’t care enough to make your children grow up in this country and serve.

Armchair patriotism is so easy, but if doesn’t mean anything. People like you talk good but don’t have what it takes to walk the talk.

He's a Brit, his duty is to care about the UK and his children who are growing up over here. You are the one who claims to care about the country you live in, but you don't give that impression. You don't like anything about the country have often said that Pakistan was a mistake. Living there doesn't mean you care about it, it just means you are stuck there, either through circumstance or for some other reason which you can't share for confidential purposes.

 

[Mamoon]

He's a Brit, his duty is to care about the UK and his children who are growing up over here. You are the one who claims to care about the country you live in, but you don't give that impression. You don't like anything about the country have often said that Pakistan was a mistake. Living there doesn't mean you care about it, it just means you are stuck there, either through circumstance or for some other reason which you can't share for confidential purposes.

I have said many times that I don’t care about Pakistan at all. I have no affiliation with this country or any feelings of patriotism. The only reason I am here is because of my parents and because I have family assets here.

Now that I am stuck here, I aim to live like a responsible, committed citizen. I don’t have a choice.

I really wish my father would have done what his brother and his cousins did and moved to the UK back in the 70s and 80s.

On the other hand, you have fakes like the person you mentioned and many others who show their patriotism for their homeland over the Internet but if you ask them to return to Pakistan they will make a billion excuses.

They talk about how much they love their country but their future generations will have no affiliation or interest in Pakistan.

 

[Star_Coffee]

I have said many times that I don’t care about Pakistan at all. I have no affiliation with this country or any feelings of patriotism. The only reason I am here is because of my parents and because I have family assets here.

Now that I am stuck here, I aim to live like a responsible, committed citizen. I don’t have a choice.

I really wish my father would have done what his brother and his cousins did and moved to the UK back in the 70s and 80s.

On the other hand, you have fakes like the person you mentioned and many others who show their patriotism for their homeland over the Internet but if you ask them to return to Pakistan they will make a billion excuses.

They talk about how much they love their country but their future generations will have no affiliation or interest in Pakistan.

You may have personal reasons to stay back in Pakistan despite desperately wanting to leave while many are living abroad and could be more patriotic than yourself.

Coming back to Pakistan has no correlation with Patriotism and love for mother country just as someone like you, living in Pakistan has no correlation with Patriotism or love for the country.

A person living abroad sending remittances while supporting a government which has intend to make Pakistan a better country under the given circumstance and restriction is a far better human being than a person who lives in Pakistan and continues to support a corrupt and irresponsible politician, it is almost like, enemy within the state.

It is a childish and immature attempt to ridicule overseas Pakistani and nothing more.

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah and Pakistan's fight is against those who looted and plundered its wealth. Trust me Mian Shb, the common man is dying for you to come back...... back BEHIND BARS.

PML-N and PPP are finished. They have no vision for the country, no goals, no aspirations, NOTHING. The opposition has done literally nothing worthwhile rather they've exposed their faces as the criminals that they are by blocking FATF and Public-hanging bills. All they can do is cry all day over Bani gala, Imran Khan and Aleema Khan but the truth is they have no idea what to do. The APC is a facade to show they know what they're doing but truth is they are as hollow as Billo's skull.

PMLN and PPP are not finished because of two reasons that I have explained already and will explain again.

Reason 1:

PTI supporters criticize family politics, but it is what ensures long-term survival. The children of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties for generations to come even when the likes of Nawaz, Shehbaz, Maryam, Zardari, Bilawal, Asifa etc. are long gone.

Their supporters are loyal to their families. These political families have deep roots.

On the other hand, a party like PTI has no foundations and no long-term sustainability. It only exists as long as Imran is alive, because he is the glue that is keeping this disjointed, chaotic party together.

When Imran is gone, these lota politicians who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their own behinds will end up joining the parties that they deserted or they will form their own parties with PTI breaking up into factions.

Some of the big guns in PTI like SMQ and JKT already hate each other. You take Imran out of the equation now and they will be at each other’s throats, fighting for power.

In PMLN and PPP, there is no power struggle because only the Sharifs and Bhuttos/Zardaris will lead the party.

Reason 2:

Apart from the strength of family politics, the second reason why PMLN and PPP will always survive is because the military establishment of Pakistan puts its interest above national interests.

How and why did Nawaz get out of prison? He made a deal with Bajwa where his party signed the Army Amendment Act in exchange for Nawaz leaving for London.

Bajwa’s desire to hold onto power was more important to him than delivering justice against Nawaz and helping Imran fulfill the promise he made to his followers.

There were no grounds for Bajwa extending his tenure. He only did it because he was intoxicated with the absolute powers that come with the COAS post.

As long as the military continues to make deals with these parties for personal gains, they will forever remain relevant.

 

[Bigboii]

There is never a death knell when it comes to the military establishment because they put their selfish interests above national interests.

They will keep striking deals with the Sharifs & Zardaris & Bhuttos as long as it benefits them.

Nawaz has been criticizing the military establishment for years now but that did not stop Bajwa from striking a deal with Nawaz over the Army Amendment Act.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against Nawaz. He had no problem with Nawaz leaving for London and escaping accountability as long as Bajwa got what he wanted.

A move that left Imran and PTI supporters crying. Bajwa didn’t even care about the implications that it would have on the promise that Imran made to the nation.

This is the real face of the military establishment. They don’t care about national interests or what the people want; all they care about are the interests of the military establishment.

Speaking of trust, the military does not trust any civilian. Our PM/President has no state secrets. Imran Khan knows as many state secrets as you and I do.

Nawaz, Zardari, Imran, Maryam, Bilawal etc. none of them have or will have any state secrets.

Speaking of state secrets, our former COAS Raheel “thank you” Shareef went to KSA with all his state secrets to lead the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition drama where he is making a fortune.

The same KSA that humiliated us over the Kashmir issue by ignoring Imran’s bombastic speeches and pleas. Thanks to Raheel’s greed for money, they now have our state secrets.

When Imran is gone, things will go back to normal. PTI will disintegrate and PMLN and PPP will continue to take turns in the centre.

Wooh!! Real good post
After some time you really do come up with gems

This perfectly sums up the situation

People and faces will change but only one real authority remains that of the military

People will keep fighting about PTI, Pmln, PPP but they (milliary) will keep on working with crooks, saints like IK, and mullahs to further thier own interests

 

[Star_Coffee]

PMLN and PPP are not finished because of two reasons that I have explained already and will explain again.

Reason 1:

PTI supporters criticize family politics, but it is what ensures long-term survival. The children of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties for generations to come even when the likes of Nawaz, Shehbaz, Maryam, Zardari, Bilawal, Asifa etc. are long gone.

Their supporters are loyal to their families. These political families have deep roots.

On the other hand, a party like PTI has no foundations and no long-term sustainability. It only exists as long as Imran is alive, because he is the glue that is keeping this disjointed, chaotic party together.

When Imran is gone, these lota politicians who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their own behinds will end up joining the parties that they deserted or they will form their own parties with PTI breaking up into factions.

Some of the big guns in PTI like SMQ and JKT already hate each other. You take Imran out of the equation now and they will be at each other’s throats, fighting for power.

In PMLN and PPP, there is no power struggle because only the Sharifs and Bhuttos/Zardaris will lead the party.

Reason 2:

Apart from the strength of family politics, the second reason why PMLN and PPP will always survive is because the military establishment of Pakistan puts its interest above national interests.

How and why did Nawaz get out of prison? He made a deal with Bajwa where his party signed the Army Amendment Act in exchange for Nawaz leaving for London.

Bajwa’s desire to hold onto power was more important to him than delivering justice against Nawaz and helping Imran fulfill the promise he made to his followers.

There were no grounds for Bajwa extending his tenure. He only did it because he was intoxicated with the absolute powers that come with the COAS post.

As long as the military continues to make deals with these parties for personal gains, they will forever remain relevant.

Both Parties are done, just like some predicted MQM will always have a hold on Karachi. Writing is on the wall, you just refuse to read it as it is written.

rest is just usual drivel

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have said many times that I don’t care about Pakistan at all. I have no affiliation with this country or any feelings of patriotism. The only reason I am here is because of my parents and because I have family assets here.

Now that I am stuck here, I aim to live like a responsible, committed citizen. I don’t have a choice.

I really wish my father would have done what his brother and his cousins did and moved to the UK back in the 70s and 80s.

On the other hand, you have fakes like the person you mentioned and many others who show their patriotism for their homeland over the Internet but if you ask them to return to Pakistan they will make a billion excuses.

They talk about how much they love their country but their future generations will have no affiliation or interest in Pakistan.

Most of those you are referring to are not from Pakistan so not sure returning there is necessarily an option. It's the ones who live there who's future generations will have the affiliation and interest in the future. So your kids or grandkids in the future inshallah.

 

[Mamoon]

You may have personal reasons to stay back in Pakistan despite desperately wanting to leave while many are living abroad and could be more patriotic than yourself.

Coming back to Pakistan has no correlation with Patriotism and love for mother country just as someone like you, living in Pakistan has no correlation with Patriotism or love for the country.

A person living abroad sending remittances while supporting a government which has intend to make Pakistan a better country under the given circumstance and restriction is a far better human being than a person who lives in Pakistan and continues to support a corrupt and irresponsible politician, it is almost like, enemy within the state.

It is a childish and immature attempt to ridicule overseas Pakistani and nothing more.

No, you are completely wrong. Please not that I am not talking about you individually, so please don’t take it personally.

You cannot pretend to love and care for Pakistan while you choose to enjoy the opportunities and privileges of the developed world.

You enjoy a better standard of living, your children receive better education, you enjoy better security of life and you make more money.

Loving your home country is very easy when you have a foreign passport and are living and settled in a foreign country. You don’t have any stakes in the country and if things get worse, you are not impacted.

For example, the devaluation of PKR has not affected overseas Pakistanis but it has had a huge impact on real Pakistanis (the ones living in the country).

A lot of people have actually lost their jobs because companies cannot afford their salaries anymore, but overseas Pakistanis do not have to go through this. This is just one example.

If you truly loved Pakistan you will come back and work and provide your services here. You will encourage your children to work in Pakistan and reverse the brain-drain which is a major problem for the country.

Don’t talk about remittance. No one sends dollars and pounds to the country with the intention of boosting foreign reserves; the intention is to help the families and improve their standard of living.

This whole “we help the government by sending money” nonsense is just an attempt by guilty overseas Pakistanis who want to believe and convince others that they are making tangible contributions to the country.

I might not love this country but I am more of a Pakistani than overseas Pakistanis can be, simply because I don’t have a foreign passport, most of my assets are here, I work here and I received the bulk of my education in this country.

If things go from bad to worse I will suffer the consequences like other real Pakistanis while the fake Pakistanis will hide in their foreign countries with their foreign passports.

 

[Mamoon]

Both Parties are done, just like some predicted MQM will always have a hold on Karachi. Writing is on the wall, you just refuse to read it as it is written.

rest is just usual drivel

Drivel because your head is buried in the ground and you cannot explain why the military keep making deals with these parties to serve their interests.

There is a difference between MQM and PMLN/PPP. MQM had relevance in one city only, PMLN and PPP have and will continue to have strongholds over entire provinces.

If you think they are done you are kidding yourself. I am sure you were one of the many delusional PTI supporters who were doing bhangra when Nawaz was sent to jail and thought he was going to die and rot there, but then COAS Bajwa poured cold water over your delusions.

 

[Mamoon]

Most of those you are referring to are not from Pakistan so not sure returning there is necessarily an option. It's the ones who live there who's future generations will have the affiliation and interest in the future. So your kids or grandkids in the future inshallah.

But the point is that they fake their patriotism over the Internet out of guilt. No one will criticize them if they accept the fact that they don’t give a toss about Pakistan.

 

[Technics 1210]

But the point is that they fake their patriotism over the Internet out of guilt. No one will criticize them if they accept the fact that they don’t give a toss about Pakistan.

Yet you voted for IK, and admit you have no love for Pakistan, but the audacity to criticise those who do love and care for Pakistan?

Your posts are more enjoyable when you're not pretending and attention seeking.

 

[Star_Coffee]

No, you are completely wrong. Please not that I am not talking about you individually, so please don’t take it personally.

You cannot pretend to love and care for Pakistan while you choose to enjoy the opportunities and privileges of the developed world.

You enjoy a better standard of living, your children receive better education, you enjoy better security of life and you make more money.

Loving your home country is very easy when you have a foreign passport and are living and settled in a foreign country. You don’t have any stakes in the country and if things get worse, you are not impacted.

For example, the devaluation of PKR has not affected overseas Pakistanis but it has had a huge impact on real Pakistanis (the ones living in the country).

A lot of people have actually lost their jobs because companies cannot afford their salaries anymore, but overseas Pakistanis do not have to go through this. This is just one example.

If you truly loved Pakistan you will come back and work and provide your services here. You will encourage your children to work in Pakistan and reverse the brain-drain which is a major problem for the country.

Don’t talk about remittance. No one sends dollars and pounds to the country with the intention of boosting foreign reserves; the intention is to help the families and improve their standard of living.

This whole “we help the government by sending money” nonsense is just an attempt by guilty overseas Pakistanis who want to believe and convince others that they are making tangible contributions to the country.

I might not love this country but I am more of a Pakistani than overseas Pakistanis can be, simply because I don’t have a foreign passport, most of my assets are here, I work here and I received the bulk of my education in this country.

If things go from bad to worse I will suffer the consequences like other real Pakistanis while the fake Pakistanis will hide in their foreign countries with their foreign passports.

You keep typing up obvious crap, of course overseas Pakistani are sending money to their relative, who is stupid enough to believe otherwise? Typing up obvious does not support your argument, rather weakens it.

Just because you type up obvious doesn't mean you are correct or has any relevance, rather it shows nothing.

Why was PKR devalued? and which overseas Pakistan does not understand the concept of consequence of devaluing the PKR? rather idiotic assumption on your behalf.

Most of the overseas Pakistani are probably better at understanding how government should function then a Pakistani who has spent most of the time supporting a corrupt government.

PTI isn't perfect and will never be but out of 3, the only government that has shown improvement, which will be seen due time, fruits of non-corrupt government aren't seen overnight.

And, yes! anyone can love their mother country while living in different countries, there aren't a fixed criteria to support and love for your mother country and you do not get to decided it. It is a dumbest attempt to support your fantasy.

 

[Star_Coffee]

Drivel because your head is buried in the ground and you cannot explain why the military keep making deals with these parties to serve their interests.

There is a difference between MQM and PMLN/PPP. MQM had relevance in one city only, PMLN and PPP have and will continue to have strongholds over entire provinces.

If you think they are done you are kidding yourself. I am sure you were one of the many delusional PTI supporters who were doing bhangra when Nawaz was sent to jail and thought he was going to die and rot there, but then COAS Bajwa poured cold water over your delusions.

NO! sir.

You typed up something obvious while pretending it to be informative. NO!

Everyone who understand Pakistan knew NS will end up leaving the country, it was just matter of time.

Bhutto is no more alive in all over Sindh. lol

PML-N is done even if NS were to return to Pakistan, none of NS kids and relatives will ever become PM of Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

Yet you voted for IK, and admit you have no love for Pakistan, but the audacity to criticise those who do love and care for Pakistan?

Your posts are more enjoyable when you're not pretending and attention seeking.

You cannot love and care for Pakistan if you are living abroad by choice. In that case, you are just a fake.

 

[Mamoon]

You keep typing up obvious crap, of course overseas Pakistani are sending money to their relative, who is stupid enough to believe otherwise? Typing up obvious does not support your argument, rather weakens it.

Just because you type up obvious doesn't mean you are correct or has any relevance, rather it shows nothing.

Why was PKR devalued? and which overseas Pakistan does not understand the concept of consequence of devaluing the PKR? rather idiotic assumption on your behalf.

Most of the overseas Pakistani are probably better at understanding how government should function then a Pakistani who has spent most of the time supporting a corrupt government.

PTI isn't perfect and will never be but out of 3, the only government that has shown improvement, which will be seen due time, fruits of non-corrupt government aren't seen overnight.

And, yes! anyone can love their mother country while living in different countries, there aren't a fixed criteria to support and love for your mother country and you do not get to decided it. It is a dumbest attempt to support your fantasy.

I repeat - if you love and care for Pakistan, you wouldn’t be living in a foreign country out of choice.

 

[Technics 1210]

You cannot love and care for Pakistan if you are living abroad by choice. In that case, you are just a fake.

That's like saying you can't love your parents if living in seperate countries. You must be full of hate.

You dislike overseas Pakistanis, because you aint one yourself. Jealousy. And we all know who you blame.

 

[Mamoon]

NO! sir.

You typed up something obvious while pretending it to be informative. NO!

Everyone who understand Pakistan knew NS will end up leaving the country, it was just matter of time.

Bhutto is no more alive in all over Sindh. lol

PML-N is done even if NS were to return to Pakistan, none of NS kids and relatives will ever become PM of Pakistan.

PMLN and PPP will form federal governments long after the current lot are dead and buried. However, PTI will be a mere footnote in history after Imran is gone.

 

[Mamoon]

That's like saying you can't love your parents if living in seperate countries. You must be full of hate.

You dislike overseas Pakistanis, because you aint one yourself. Jealousy. And we all know who you blame.

Absolutely.

If you truly love and care for your parents, you will make sure you are around them in their old age, taking care of their needs personally, looking after them, spending time with them etc.

Coming to Pakistan for two weeks every year while your old parents are living alone and you try to keep them happy with gifts and money from abroad is not love and care.

 

[Technics 1210]

Absolutely.

If you truly love and care for your parents, you will make sure you are around them in their old age, taking care of their needs personally, looking after them, spending time with them etc.

Coming to Pakistan for two weeks every year while your old parents are living alone and you try to keep them happy with gifts and money from abroad is not love and care.

So you agree your pov towards overseas Pakistanis boils down to jealousy.

Yes give yourself a pat on your back for taking care of your parents; even though you blame them for staying in Pakistani.

Love is also about intent.

 

[Star_Coffee]

I repeat - if you love and care for Pakistan, you wouldn’t be living in a foreign country out of choice.

You repeat nonsense, the fact that you understand it and displaying intentional intellectual dishonesty shows that you have no interest to see PTI succeed, which translate into Pakistan prospering, rather you want it to fail, which is displayed multiple times on different thread with dumbest and unwanted criticism, the best one so far was about made in Pakistan ventilators where a Dr from US had to explain why those ventilators are as good as anywhere in the world.

It isn't difficult to see through you.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Wooh!! Real good post
After some time you really do come up with gems

This perfectly sums up the situation

People and faces will change but only one real authority remains that of the military

People will keep fighting about PTI, Pmln, PPP but they (milliary) will keep on working with crooks, saints like IK, and mullahs to further thier own interests

what Imran Khan has done differently is that he realized to keep the military out, you need to bring them in.

The National Security Council headed by the PM makes the decisions on important issues related to defense foreign policy and economy. As the Army is part of the decision making, he is the first PM who can promise things related to Foreign Policy, and Defense and be able to deliver. Nawaz Sharif had zero control on the Army.

IK is the first PM who doesn't have to worry about a coup, as long as the NSC is active.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

So you agree your pov towards overseas Pakistanis boils down to jealousy.

Yes give yourself a pat on your back for taking care of your parents; even though you blame them for staying in Pakistani.

Love is also about intent.

Thats the strange part. Most overseas Pakistanis are Middle Class. The upper middle class and elite class of Pakistan have a better lifestyle than them, so i dont know what there is to be jealous of, when he has mentioned he is part of the elite class.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Absolutely.

If you truly love and care for your parents, you will make sure you are around them in their old age, taking care of their needs personally, looking after them, spending time with them etc.

Coming to Pakistan for two weeks every year while your old parents are living alone and you try to keep them happy with gifts and money from abroad is not love and care.

That sounds like a very Pakistani mentality tbh, if you were British you would just put them in a home and go and see them once in a while. Maybe you are in the right country after all.

 

[MenInG]

You repeat nonsense, the fact that you understand it and displaying intentional intellectual dishonesty shows that you have no interest to see PTI succeed, which translate into Pakistan prospering, rather you want it to fail, which is displayed multiple times on different thread with dumbest and unwanted criticism, the best one so far was about made in Pakistan ventilators where a Dr from US had to explain why those ventilators are as good as anywhere in the world.

It isn't difficult to see through you.

Think there is obviously a degree of jealousy and a chip on the shoulder issue as well.

Thankfully, none of my friends back home have that which could explain how much at ease they are with themselves and frankly doing better than I am being in Pakistan.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

PMLN and PPP are not finished because of two reasons that I have explained already and will explain again.

Reason 1:

PTI supporters criticize family politics, but it is what ensures long-term survival. The children of Sharifs and Bhuttos will lead the parties for generations to come even when the likes of Nawaz, Shehbaz, Maryam, Zardari, Bilawal, Asifa etc. are long gone.

Their supporters are loyal to their families. These political families have deep roots.

On the other hand, a party like PTI has no foundations and no long-term sustainability. It only exists as long as Imran is alive, because he is the glue that is keeping this disjointed, chaotic party together.

When Imran is gone, these lota politicians who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their own behinds will end up joining the parties that they deserted or they will form their own parties with PTI breaking up into factions.

Some of the big guns in PTI like SMQ and JKT already hate each other. You take Imran out of the equation now and they will be at each other’s throats, fighting for power.

In PMLN and PPP, there is no power struggle because only the Sharifs and Bhuttos/Zardaris will lead the party.

Pakistan has not had democracy long enough for us to know if this is true, especially for PML N.

Since PPP is still winning in interior and it does not appear that they will lose any time soon, in their case it might be true. However PML N does not have the same type of supporters as PPP. People in Punjab have voted for the Q league in 2002 and PTI in 2018, as well as PPP before. It seems doubtful that people will support grandkids of Nawaz and Shahbaaz Sharif.

On the other hand, a party like PTI has no foundations and no long-term sustainability. It only exists as long as Imran is alive, because he is the glue that is keeping this disjointed, chaotic party together.

When Imran is gone, these lota politicians who have jumped on the PTI bandwagon to save their own behinds will end up joining the parties that they deserted or they will form their own parties with PTI breaking up into factions.

Some of the big guns in PTI like SMQ and JKT already hate each other. You take Imran out of the equation now and they will be at each other’s throats, fighting for power.

It depends on how long IK stays in power. If he dies today, then yes i can agree with this. However he goes like 15 years, who knows what would happen then. I would say if he can last that long PML N will be finished, and most likely Pakistan will have two main parties PTI, and PPP.

In PMLN and PPP, there is no power struggle because only the Sharifs and Bhuttos/Zardaris will lead the party.

PML N has not had a power struggle as Nawaz Sharif has been the head since the beginning. There can still be a power struggle in PML N between Shabaaz and Maryam.

Same thing with PPP, there was a power struggle between Benazir and her brothers. So same way Bilawal might get into a power struggle with his sisters eventually.

 

[Bewal Express]

You cannot love and care for Pakistan if you are living abroad by choice. In that case, you are just a fake.

So by your stupid logic AZ cares more for PK than people who had to leave PK to earn a halal living. It's not a surprise that this logic comes from a quack that believed NS was ill.

 

[Bewal Express]

No, you are completely wrong. Please not that I am not talking about you individually, so please don’t take it personally.

You cannot pretend to love and care for Pakistan while you choose to enjoy the opportunities and privileges of the developed world.

You enjoy a better standard of living, your children receive better education, you enjoy better security of life and you make more money.

Loving your home country is very easy when you have a foreign passport and are living and settled in a foreign country. You don’t have any stakes in the country and if things get worse, you are not impacted.

For example, the devaluation of PKR has not affected overseas Pakistanis but it has had a huge impact on real Pakistanis (the ones living in the country).

A lot of people have actually lost their jobs because companies cannot afford their salaries anymore, but overseas Pakistanis do not have to go through this. This is just one example.

If you truly loved Pakistan you will come back and work and provide your services here. You will encourage your children to work in Pakistan and reverse the brain-drain which is a major problem for the country.

Don’t talk about remittance. No one sends dollars and pounds to the country with the intention of boosting foreign reserves; the intention is to help the families and improve their standard of living.

This whole “we help the government by sending money” nonsense is just an attempt by guilty overseas Pakistanis who want to believe and convince others that they are making tangible contributions to the country.

I might not love this country but I am more of a Pakistani than overseas Pakistanis can be, simply because I don’t have a foreign passport, most of my assets are here, I work here and I received the bulk of my education in this country.

If things go from bad to worse I will suffer the consequences like other real Pakistanis while the fake Pakistanis will hide in their foreign countries with their foreign passports.

Your not talking about devaluation again are you. Maybe if you are so concerned about the devaluation you can talk about FATF and the Grey list.

 

[Bewal Express]

There is never a death knell when it comes to the military establishment because they put their selfish interests above national interests.

They will keep striking deals with the Sharifs & Zardaris & Bhuttos as long as it benefits them.

Nawaz has been criticizing the military establishment for years now but that did not stop Bajwa from striking a deal with Nawaz over the Army Amendment Act.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against Nawaz. He had no problem with Nawaz leaving for London and escaping accountability as long as Bajwa got what he wanted.

A move that left Imran and PTI supporters crying. Bajwa didn’t even care about the implications that it would have on the promise that Imran made to the nation.

This is the real face of the military establishment. They don’t care about national interests or what the people want; all they care about are the interests of the military establishment.

Speaking of trust, the military does not trust any civilian. Our PM/President has no state secrets. Imran Khan knows as many state secrets as you and I do.

Nawaz, Zardari, Imran, Maryam, Bilawal etc. none of them have or will have any state secrets.

Speaking of state secrets, our former COAS Raheel “thank you” Shareef went to KSA with all his state secrets to lead the Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition drama where he is making a fortune.

The same KSA that humiliated us over the Kashmir issue by ignoring Imran’s bombastic speeches and pleas. Thanks to Raheel’s greed for money, they now have our state secrets.

When Imran is gone, things will go back to normal. PTI will disintegrate and PMLN and PPP will continue to take turns in the centre.

So at the time you said that the LHC was independent and made a good decision to release NS as he was ill. Then you realised that NS had lied and you blamed IK for letting him go, then you changed your tune again and said NS was ill and can't travel and the Ind Doc report wasn't fake, when it clearly was. I see a whole lot of dishonesty and badniyaati from you over this issue. Unlike you, I felt IK and the LHC were totally wrong to let the crook go, I knew at the time and subsequent events and actions have proved me right. The IHC finally found the courage to ask why after a year he had not been treated, never spent a single night in hospital or no report of the platelets had been sent. Your terrible knowledge of something so basic shows the level you operate at.
The Saudis thought they would tell us what to do on every matter, IK said no. They wanted us to join the Yemen war, it was IK that made the noise that stopped NS from joining. When IK is gone, Billo will still never be PM, Maryam will never be PM and new people will emerge. Unlike you, our aspirations for PK are not tied to 2 crooked families. You can worship them until your hearts content but most of us are too intelligent to fall for the crap.

 

[ahmedzee]

I wonder who are the fools supporting this buffoon. You might not like Imran Khan, which is fine. But someone just took a dig at all the establishments of Pakistan (army, judiciary etc.) just for his personal gain (wealth). This is a pure definition of a traitor. The only one victorious in this are the enemies of Pakistan. Those supporting someone like Nawaz is also a traitor. I am pretty sure PML-N and PPP have majority Pakistan loving politicians.

This actually reduced his popularity even more in Pakistan. I hope this criminal is brought back to Pakistan, and suffers the consequences for not just this, but several cases that are already in limbo, and ofcourse his 7 year jail term.

 

[saeedhk]

So were all those health issues, doctor recommendations and humanitarian requests fake?

Damn, if we go by Nooras' latest stance, this old thief should be charged by so many new crimes.

If he stays in UK, then he will keep on barking on random YouTube videos and would be immediately arrested as soon as he steps inside Pakistan.

Whatever they were - fake or genuine - Nawaz did shove away Immy and departed to London. Immy was left redfaced.

 

[saeedhk]

IK would have been in contempt of court had he tried to prevent NS from leaving. He showed the higher ground by letting him leave temporarily for health and humanitarian issues. It is NS and PML N who have as usual been exposed in this saga. Mark my words, Kutte ke Tarra he will be dragged back, NS.

No. Immy allowed him the leave the country. The court merely removed the surety bond that Nawaz was asked to pay by the government. So, it is purely on Immy AKA champion of accountablity.

 

[sweep_shot]

‘Anti-state’ label

THE government’s reaction to Nawaz Sharif’s scorcher of a speech at the opposition’s multiparty conference on Sunday is sadly not unexpected in the current polarised atmosphere, but that makes it no less objectionable.

At a press conference on Monday, senior federal ministers including Shah Mahmood Qureshi, Asad Umar, Fawad Chaudhry and Shibli Faraz accused the speakers at the MPC, particularly the former premier, of being ‘anti-Pakistan’. They claimed the opposition was promoting the enemy’s agenda by levelling allegations against national institutions like the army, NAB and ECP. Mr Umar also said the MPC was proof that Prime Minister Imran Khan was right when he said at the beginning of his tenure that “the opposition has everything at stake … and when accountability moves forward, they will all get together”.

With the political discourse having become increasingly reductive, it now takes very little for wild allegations of being ‘anti-state’ to be bandied about. The shameful precedent that began with the sister of this country’s founder being declared a foreign agent in a state-sponsored advertisement campaign during Gen Ayub Khan’s government has come of age in a political arena where healthy debate seems a passé concept. That said, the ministers’ contention that the opposition have joined hands in order to neutralise the corruption charges against them is not without merit.

The prime minister has also repeatedly alleged the same self-interest on their part, particularly in connection with the passage of FATF-related legislation. There are serious charges of corruption against several leading opposition figures, including Mr Sharif, and they must face them in a court of law, regardless of the outcome. That will increase their stature and lend credibility to their claims of fighting for democracy. A stint in prison, even on trumped-up charges, has rarely done a politician’s career any harm — quite the contrary in fact.

Meanwhile, if, as his ministers maintain, the prime minister is indeed the one in the driving seat, he should put a stop to his predecessor being denounced as ‘anti-state’ and accused of trying to please India by criticising the army. It is a repugnant line of attack. Certainly, there are serious differences between the government and the opposition on a variety of issues.

The former appears hell-bent on pursuing the current mode of accountability while the latter believes it is being unfairly hounded and that the government would not last a day without the support of extra-constitutional forces. Instead of preaching to the choir, both sides should start a healthy political ‘fight’ that draws the line at accusing each other of being unpatriotic or working against Pakistan. They would do well to consider that it serves our enemies well when our leaders engage in such recrimination. We lost this country’s eastern wing nearly four decades ago amidst precisely such vicious rhetoric and politics of vilification. This must stop now.

Source: https://www.dawn.com/news/1581167/anti-state-label.

 

[Lonewarrior]

 

[Abdullah719]

Update: ‘Our fight is against those who don’t give us an NRO’

 

[Rinnegan Sasuke]

Not surprising at all, the **** pretending to be warriors of democracy are just as bad and just as complicit as the establishment in ruining the fabric of this country.

Match made in hell.

 

[Slog]

But the real question is, why does the military establishment make deals with these people? Why don’t the so-called guardian angels of the country keep national interests above their personal interests?

Nawaz wouldn’t have escaped to the UK with his tail between his legs and would still be in jail if Bajwa wasn’t desperate to extend his tenure as COAS.

Staying in power was more important for Bajwa than delivering justice against the likes of Nawaz.

PTI youth brigade should channel their frustration and anger at the military establishment.

I ageee and have always been critical of our army top brass.

Problem is Nawaz sharif is the last person I would expect or trust to be the one to take on that nexus. He is very easy to buy. If he gets enough progress on this front I’m sure army will be able to buy him off easily with lure of some power. Same thing happened in 2014. Or in early 90s and other times. If anything I’d trust zardari several times more for such a collision.

 

[MenInG]

Federal Minister for Railways Sheikh Rashid Ahmed on Saturday demanded that PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif share the “number of calls” he allegedly made to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi from "outside Pakistan" and also share the "agenda" of those calls.

“Why did you call the head of the enemy state India from outside Pakistan? Did you feel threatened that your calls were against national security and would be leaked?” Rashid asked as he made the startling allegation in a press conference in Lahore.

“Nawaz Sharif should tell who gave India the address to Ajmal Kasab,” Rashid said.

Rashid also posed a number of 'questions' before the media that he said he wanted former prime minister Nawaz Sharif to answer.

He firstly asked Nawaz to come clean regarding the money he allegedly received from Osama bin Laden in the form of charity.

Rashid also accused the former premier of taking money from Qatar for elections.

“How much money did you spend in the 2013 elections and how much money did you receive through Saifur Rehman from Qatar? The nation should be taken into confidence on how much money he received from Qatar for the elections,” Rashid said.

The minister then asked the former premier to tell the nation who sent busses filled with attackers to target former chief justice Sajjad Ali Shah.

The minister also claimed that the PML-N planned the recent violence outside NAB’s Lahore office "in London".

Also read: Nawaz Sharif has shut all doors for his return, says Sheikh Rashid

Rashid said the former premier "talks about the vote, but not about the court."

“You made excuses that you were ill and left the county," he alleged.

The minister also slammed the PML-N supremo for "making speeches against Pakistan’s national security and institutions".

"Nawaz first denied the existence of Dawn Leaks but has admitted it now," he said.

The minister said that he was leaving these allegations and hoped that the PML-N respond to these by Monday.

Also read: Gen Bajwa met PML-N leader Mohammad Zubair twice, confirms DG ISPR

On the meeting between the Chief of Army Staff Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa and PML-N leader Mohammad Zubair, Rashid said that he himself was present in the meeting and insisted that former prime minister Nawaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam Nawaz were discussed.

He added that the Pakistan Army was standing shoulder to shoulder with the civil government.

Rashid also said he was not “the spokesperson for any institution” a day after proudly stating that he was proud of being “a spokesperson of the army”.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Federal Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry said Friday that PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif's "language" is similar to that of MQM founder Altaf Hussain.

The minister's comments came days after the PML-N supremo addressed the opposition's multi-party conference that has established the Pakistan Democratic Movement to oust the incumbent government.

Addressing the media at the Pakistan Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (PCSIR), the federal minister claimed that Nawaz’s speech had disappointed PML-N workers.

Read more: Opposition announces Pakistan Democratic Movement to oust 'anti-people' govt

"In my opinion, PML-N workers should register a case against Nawaz over such a controversial speech against the institutions of the country," the minister said.

Chaudhry said that the Pakistan Army was the most respectable institution of Pakistan, adding that Nawaz's clash with the institutions was a bid to protect his money stashed abroad.

"[Nawaz] has no link with democracy and he can only strike deals," Chaudhry said.

The federal minister claimed that the think tanks of the PML-N were about to conclude that a change of leadership had become inevitable.

"In fact, Nawaz Sharif wanted to know why the institutions did not help him to protect his looted money," Chaudhry said.

Read more: Nawaz Sharif 'declared war' against nation: Govt reacts to opposition's APC

To a question, he said that every opposition party had been part of different dictatorial rules, except for Imran Khan, who had never been a part of martial-law.

Pakistan's 'clear bright' future
Chaudhry said that Pakistan was among the countries which had a clear bright future, adding that soon all medical equipment would be manufactured locally.

The Ministry of Science and Technology has signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) with the Faisalabad Industrial Estate Development and Management Company (FIEDMC), under which the ministry is going to establish a medical-industrial unit which will be set up at Allama Iqbal Industrial City in Faisalabad, he said.

In this unit, various production plants of medical equipment would be established, and investors were also in contact with the ministry for the purpose.

The minister said that when the first case of COVID-19 was diagnosed, Pakistan did not produce a single piece of coronavirus safety equipment, adding that, now, Pakistan is in a position to export these items to other countries.

Speak of the COVID-19 vaccine, which is likely to be prepared in 2021, he said that for vaccination, millions of needles are needed and the ministry will establish two plants for needle production to fulfil the requirement.

Chaudhry said that at least 1,100 ventilators are being produced in the country every month and that Pakistan was also working on local manufacturing of x-ray and dialysis machines.

 

[MenInG]

LAHORE: Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid feels Prime Minister Imran Khan made an incorrect decision to allow airing of PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif’s speech on TV though the premier wanted Mr Sharif to be exposed.

He alleged that the PML-N supremo had become an active member of an “alliance” in London that was conspiring against the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC). “Mr Khan sees the latest developments in London (Mr Sharif’s speeches, etc) as [part of activities of] the alliance against the CPEC,” he said.

“As the PM, he (Imran) gave permission for airing Nawaz’s speech but he was wrong. Had I been there, I would have never allowed this,” Mr Rashid said while responding to media queries in a press conference here on Saturday.

He said the decision was taken by PM Khan on his own as he believed that it (Mr Sharif’s speech) would perhaps expose the PML-N supremo. “But if it were up to me, I would not have wanted Nawaz to speak that day,” the minister added.

He warned PML-N vice president Maryam Nawaz to stop attacking him in her press conferences/media talks. “Maryam sahiba, I am giving you a final warning. I can disclose some news that can cause a political earthquake in this country. I respect you because you are a woman,” he said.

Minister sees PML-N supremo’s activities as part of plot against CPEC

Mr Rashid said former premier Sharif had taken over the PML-N and was not ready to trust anyone except his daughter.

“The Pakistan Army is a great force, but Nawaz Sharif has waged a war against it,” he said.

The minister claimed that Mr Sharif and his daughter had stayed silent for a year and 10 months under a plan. “Why did Nawaz and Maryam remain silent? I say under oath that they did this because they were bargaining for relief. Some of our [friendly Muslim countries] are witness to this,” he claimed.

He reiterated that the PPP would never tender resignations from assemblies.

“I can clearly state that by the end of December, there will be a sweeping operation [to send the opposition leaders to jail]. The opposition leaders will continue their anti-government movement till Feb 20, but not after the Senate elections.”

Earlier, talking about his department, the minister said the Pakistan Railways had decided to privatise 34 more passenger trains in near future. “Twelve trains have already been outsourced and 34 more are set to be outsourced soon in addition to six freight trains,” he said.

Published in Dawn, October 4th, 2020

https://www.dawn.com/news/1583168/pm-permission-to-broadcast-nawazs-speech-termed-mistake

 

[MenInG]

PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif on Thursday demanded "Imran's selectors" to answer for the ongoing crises in the country, saying that his supporters "will not sit back" until they get one.

Nawaz, who is currently in London, made the remarks in a virtual address at a convention of PML-N's parliamentarians and ticketholders, saying that the country was facing "defining moments".

The former prime minister, while commenting on the state of the economy and the challenges being faced by the masses, asked: "Who should I hold responsible for this? Just Imran Khan or those who are really responsible?"

"Imran's selectors, you will have to answer for this. You cannot go home without answering," Nawaz declared. "Without Pakistan's parliament, its institutions cannot operate. Even the judiciary cannot work. We will make you answer, we will not sit back until we get one."

He said that people in Pakistan were "crying" because of rising inflation and prices of power and gas.

"Have you thought about how they (people) are living? Was this the situation two years ago?"

The former premier regretted that so far no one has tried to "diagnose the root cause" of the country's problems and political instability and said that he had decided to "identify" it at the multiparty conference of the opposition parties held on September 24 without any "ambiguity".

In the PPP-hosted multiparty conference held last month, Nawaz had said that the opposition's struggle was not against Prime Minister Imran Khan but those who brought him into power through the 2018 elections.

In today's address, Nawaz also took a hit at the military personnel "who have digressed" from the Constitution, saying that the army can only become the "world's best" if it sticks to its constitutional role.

"I know an overwhelming majority [in the army] sticks to constitutional boundaries, but there are few who have digressed. Those names are few, they can literally be counted on fingertips [but] they have defamed the entire army and that is not acceptable to me," the PML-N supremo said. "I respect my soldiers and generals, but I cannot respect those who do not respect the Constitution, who rig elections."

He also directed his party's parliamentarians to take a stand, saying that they were not "rented members".

"You (PML-N leaders) had won the election, but he was given victory. The tabdeeli person," Nawaz said, referring to PM Imran and added that those who "rigged" the 2018 general elections, had "violated the Constitution and committed a crime".

"We are not sheep that can be herded and if this has been happening [in the past], it will not happen anymore! We will make Pakistan a respectable country," he vowed and added that any member who "was scared should sit at home. We don't need cowards. You don't deserve to be in the assemblies if you are scared".

Nawaz also criticised the PTI government for "begging" other countries for money even though they had promised not to do so.

'Disqualified for what?'
Nawaz also spoke about the Supreme Court's decision in 2017 to disqualify him in the Panama Papers case, in which he was found guilty of not declaring a receivable salary, saying that he "didn't understand what happened".

"Had there been a valid reason for my removal, I would have understood that I have been punished for a crime that I committed," he said. "I was disqualified for not taking a salary from my son.

"Why would I need an iqama? If Musharraf [had not] imposed martial law in 1999, I would not have had to leave with my family. To live there (UAE), I needed an iqama. I had to stay abroad for seven years," he told the session.

"Whether I draw a salary from my son or not, that is my choice. Is that a reason to expel me from the prime minister's office?" he asked.

He said that he had been observing how the situation of the country had changed over the past two years even when he was in prison in Pakistan and lamented that people's lives had become difficult after his party's tenure.

"At a time when people have to eat roti with water, it becomes haraam for me and you to sit peacefully. If we don't speak, we will also be guilty."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1583945/i...nswer-for-countrys-situation-today-says-nawaz

 

[MenInG]

Despite facing criticism for hurling allegations at the military leadership in recent months, former prime minister Nawaz Sharif remained defiant as he told a public meeting in Swat that he "cannot blame the entire army for the lawlessness of a few individuals".

While addressing a PML-N public meeting in Swat via video link, Nawaz once again named Army Chief Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa and Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Director General Lt Gen Faiz Hameed and said: "When I say that Gen Qamar Javed Bajwa and [Lt] Gen Hameed Faiz should answer why they did this to Pakistan, why they threw Pakistan in a ditch, they say 'why does Nawaz Sharif take our names?'

"Gen Bajwa and [Lt] Gen Faiz, you formed a JIT of your choice, secured decisions of your choice as well, removed Nawaz Sharif from premiership, put me, Shehbaz Sharif, Maryam Nawaz and my party members in jail. Our character assassination through media is still underway."

Nawaz's remarks come less than a day after Prime Minister Imran Khan said that the PML-N supremo was trying to "create rifts" within the armed forces by encouraging army personnel to "rebel against" the military leadership.

"When they say that the [military leadership] is bad and the rest of the army is good; is army a democratic party that would move a no-confidence motion? You (Nawaz) are telling the army to launch a coup, to rebel [against the leadership]. Can there be a bigger [form of] treason?" Prime Minister Imran had said in an interview with GNN on Thursday night.

This is not the first time Nawaz has accused the military leadership of conspiring against him. In recent speeches in public meetings of his party and the 11-party opposition alliance — Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) — Nawaz has accused the security establishment of orchestrating his ouster. In a PDM rally in Gujranwala, Nawaz had named the army chief and ISI DG and said that there was "a state above the state".

In his speech today, the PML-N supremo said that his "crime was to talk about people's rights, Constitution, democratic principles".

"But what crime did the people commit? Why were your lives made difficult?" he said and added that he was not seeking answers from Prime Minister Imran but from those "who brought him to power".

"He (PM Imran) is a puppet. The people who move his strings will have to answer," declared the former prime minister.

Nawaz also talked about an inquiry report prepared by a commission formed on the army chief's orders to probe the "Karachi incident". Earlier this week, the Inter-Services Public Relations released a statement saying that officials of ISI and Sindh Rangers involved in the "Karachi incident" have been removed pending further departmental proceedings for acting "overzealously".

The inquiry was conducted after PPP Chairperson Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari urged the army chief to investigate the circumstances surrounding the arrest of PML-N leader retired Capt Mohammad Safdar in Karachi last month.

Nawaz, during his speech today, said that he "condemns and rejects" the ISPR press release and termed the inquiry report a "concocted story" that has raised more questions.

"In its report, there is no mention of forcing [the Sindh inspector general] to file an FIR. Even the names of officials [removed] are not mentioned, why? Because those names are holy? It is only the politicians that can be labeled as traitors and thieves," said the former prime minister.

Nawaz's daughter and PML-N Vice President Maryam Nawaz also addressed the crowd where she levelled criticism against the incumbent government once again. Terming the prime minister an "irrelevant character", she urged the institutions to "withdraw their support" for Imran.

"Once the institutions back away from him, his government will not even stand for 24 hours, I assure you," she told the participants of the gathering.

The PML-N vice president appealed the people of Swat to vote for her party in the upcoming Gilgit-Baltistan elections.

"I wish Swat would vote for PML-N, not because I want PML-N to form a government but because I want to see the same development here as in Lahore."

Maryam also alleged that it had been "decided" that the PML-N would only be given two to three seats in the GB Assembly but after observing the huge crowds in the party's public meetings, it was agreed that the party will have to be given at least seven to eight seats.

"If you indulge in rigging, it would be your loss, if you don't, it will still be your loss," she said, while addressing the incumbent government. "You will have to go home soon."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1590188/c...ividuals-says-nawaz-at-pml-ns-swat-power-show

 

[Firebat]

Nawaz lashes out at ‘undemocratic forces’, says this is not the Pakistan Iqbal dreamt of

Former premier Nawaz Sharif, while speaking at the PML-N's social media convention on Sunday, lamented that none of the elected prime ministers have been able to complete their terms in Pakistan, saying "Iqbal did not dream of this Pakistan".

"Until now, none of the [elected] prime ministers have been allowed to complete their constitutional term. Every few years, democracy is attacked and martial law is imposed," he said. "Again and again, the constitution was violated [...] those who created the country were termed traitors, popular leaders were jailed and leaders were made out to be robbers."

Nawaz once again decried alleged rigging in the 2018 elections, saying that the votes of the public had been "stolen".

"Tell me, hand on your heart, is this Quaid-i-Azam's Pakistan?" asked Nawaz.

Referring to criticism over his speeches in the past few months, in which he has repeatedly accused the military leadership of interfering in government matters, Nawaz asked his followers if it was "treason to expose those who have formed a state above a state".

"Ask yourself, why did this happen to my country?" Nawaz told his followers.

He said that "undemocratic forces have started propaganda through social media that Nawaz Sharif's narrative is empowering enemies of the country".

"These undemocratic forces have choked freedom of expression in the country, choked the poor and unemployment, have crushed them with inflation [...] these are painful things but all they are worried about is how to stop Nawaz Sharif."

The former premier also thanked the participants for keeping his and the party's honour. "From 2017 till now, in the country's most difficult times, the way you have courageously worked, combatted the army that was created in the name of fifth generation war and difficulties you endured for the rule of law — all this is a golden chapter of our struggle," he said.

He said that his speeches had been banned on TV, adding that the world had changed and it was no longer possible to suppress anyone's voice. "Social media, despite recently approved rules," Nawaz said, "is free to quite an extent".

"It is not possible for them to hide their lies any longer, or to suppress the voice of the common man," he declared.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1594330/n...says-this-is-not-the-pakistan-iqbal-dreamt-of

 

[IMMY69]

^^^
I'd like to see what his band of PP supporters have to say on this....

The man is disgusting

 

[Pakpak]

"Until now, none of the [elected] prime ministers have been allowed to complete their constitutional term. Every few years, democracy is attacked and martial law is imposed," he said. "Again and again, the constitution was violated [...] those who created the country were termed traitors, popular leaders were jailed and leaders were made out to be robbers"

Since 1980s there have been 3 other PMs other than Nawaz. Out of those 3 Nawaz was directly responsible for dismissing 2 of those PMs. He openly used ISI money in 1990 to overthrow Benazir. Twice. Then led massive protests to overthrow Gilani.

So if we have to find one person responsible for not allowing PMs to complete their terms, this fool is that person. I'm baffled how he is able to say this with a straight face.

 

[Bewal Express]

"Until now, none of the [elected] prime ministers have been allowed to complete their constitutional term. Every few years, democracy is attacked and martial law is imposed," he said. "Again and again, the constitution was violated [...] those who created the country were termed traitors, popular leaders were jailed and leaders were made out to be robbers"

Since 1980s there have been 3 other PMs other than Nawaz. Out of those 3 Nawaz was directly responsible for dismissing 2 of those PMs. He openly used ISI money in 1990 to overthrow Benazir. Twice. Then led massive protests to overthrow Gilani.

So if we have to find one person responsible for not allowing PMs to complete their terms, this fool is that person. I'm baffled how he is able to say this with a straight face.

We don't mention those facts, they are too inconvenient

 

[MenInG]

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The gift that keeps on giving...

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said that there’s anger in the Pakistan Army over the Opposition’s critiscm of General Qamar Javed Bajwa.

In an interview with Samaa TV, PM Imran said that "anger" and "disappointment" prevailed among the ranks after the army chief was targeted by the leaders of Opposition parties during public gatherings.

"Gen Bajwa believes in democracy. Had it been another general, he would have given a quick rebuttal," the PM said, adding that the army chief was "angry", but he was "controlling it".

The premier also dismissed reports of any Pakistani representative visiting Israel, saying that why would any of the ministers visit Tel Aviv when Islamabad does not recognise it.

He stressed that the news was "baseless" and that "an entire campaign" was running in this regard.

Referring to the EU DisinfoLab's report, the prime minister said that the NGO's research had exposed India's network that was spreading misinformation about Pakistan.

'All institutions with me'
The prime minister said that all institutions — including the army — stood beside him. "There are excellent civil-military ties in the country."

Speaking further about the civil-military dynamic, he said that the army serves under him as he is the prime minister, and as the army is a government institution.

Speaking about the Pakistan Democratic Movement, the premier said that he was ready to face everything the 11-party alliance aims at throwing at him.

"The PDM can do anything that it wants. I am ready," he said.

The premier said that the PDM's Lahore rally had damaged the Opposition's alliance. "I am a jalsa specialist and I am telling you that this was a flop show."

'It would be better if they resigned'
"If they resign, it would be better for Pakistan," the prime minister said, referring to the Opposition's threat of resigning from the assemblies soon.

The prime minister said that he would assist the Opposition if they came to Islamabad. "They cannot even last a week [in Islamabad] even if I support them."

Shedding light on early elections, he said that there was space for the government to hold Senate elections a month earlier.

Senate elections
"Show of hands means open ballot," he said, as he explained the method that the government aims to introduce in the upcoming Senate elections.

The prime minister reminded the interviewer that his party had dismissed several members as they were involved in horse-trading during the Senate elections.

"It would be better [for the election to be held] through open ballot as it would end corruption," he said.

The premier said that if the senators were elected on merit, they would play a productive role in the upper house.

He added that the attorney general is of the opinion that voting can be held via open ballot; however, the government will seek Supreme Court's guidance on it.

 

[Bewal Express]

The Kaptaan has thrown down the gauntlet to the mafia. Come on mafia, when are the resignations coming

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The Kaptaan has thrown down the gauntlet to the mafia. Come on mafia, when are the resignations coming

They wont come. Glad he is calling their bluff though.