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[VIDEO] Pakistan 1st right of reply: "India committing state terrorism in IOK for the last 30 years"

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UNITED NATIONS, NEW YORK (Dunya News) – Pakistan on Saturday night submitted a rejoinder to the United Nations General Assembly (UNGA) in response to India’s criticism of Prime Minister Imran Khan’s speech that exposed India’s atrocities and gross violations of human rights in Kashmir.

Zulqarnain Chheena, a diplomat of the Pakistani mission, while exercising his right to reply stated that PM Khan had exposed the real cruel face of Indian state terrorism before the world community.

“It is obvious that India neither wants to face up to the truth about its abominable policies and actions, nor does it want others to see it,” Mr Zulqarnain told the 193-member Assembly while responding to an Indian representative, who described PM Khan’s well-reasoned address as “hate speech.”

He outlined that the Pakistani premier had only put a spotlight on New Delhi’s “indefensible actions against the Kashmiris and its minorities across the country.”

“India is committing state terrorism in occupied Jammu and Kashmir for the last 30 years […] the Indian government is carrying forward the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) agenda […] the killers of Mahatma Gandhi are now ruining the secular face of India in occupied Kashmir,” he mentioned.

Mr Zulqarnain further pointed out that Pakistan had arrested Indian spy Kulbushan Yadev who admitted involvement in various incidents of terrorism inside Pakistan.

"True to the ideological progenitors, the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh)," Zulqarnain, a second secretary on the Pakistan Mission to the UN said, "the (Indian) statement betrayed a sense of conceited self-righteousness, symptomatic of the malady that has become the feature of the communal driven face of India.

"For an ideology seeped in ‘hatred’, the very mention of ‘hate speech’ was outrageous," he said in his strongly-worded right of reply.

He called it a "crass attempt at self-glorification by those whose singular accomplishment has been to denude India of any ‘pretense’ to its so-called secular credentials." Citing the policy statement of M.S. Golwalkar, one of the founding fathers of the RSS, to turn India into a Hindu country."

"Today, this ideal of Hindu supremacy is being put into place with a single-minded zealousness - with every act of the repugnant assault of cow vigilantes, with every gruesome mob lynching, with every forced conversion, the supremacist RSS ideology is on display ever more brazenly. Far from being a so-called ‘vibrant democracy‘, this is becoming a living hell for those perceived and treated as the ‘other’ in saffron India. Tellingly, those who assassinated Mahatma Gandhi in 1948 are busy killing the idea of secular India espoused by him."

Zulqarnain responded that India made obfuscation, deception and diverting attention from ugly ground realities which was the most familiar page out of the Indian playbook, referring to India‘s statement delivered by Vidisha Maitra, a first secretary in the Indian mission.

"A country that has for decades been engaged in state terrorism in occupied Jammu and Kashmir has the gall to accuse others of terrorism," the Pakistani delegate further added.

"A country whose serving naval officer, Commander Kulbhushan Jadhav, was caught red-handed for espionage, sabotage and terrorism has the gumption to cast the victim as the perpetrator".

"A country which is in the iron grip of the fascist RSS, which was thrice banned in India for terror-related charges, has the audacity to point fingers at others".

"If at all, India should seek answers from the perpetrators of the Samjotha terrorist attack, who were acquitted earlier this year".

"India should seek answers from the killers of Pehlu Khan, who was killed, in cold blood, for transporting cattle by a violent cow vigilante mob in 2017.”

"India should seek answers from the masterminds of the Gujarat pogrom of 2002, whose political fortunes have bloomed while innocent victims suffer in pain and misery."

"The common thread behind these and countless other incidents is that [the] victim has had the misfortunate of finding himself against the might of the all encompassing Hindutva onslaught." Zulqarnain said.

“The Indian representative had deliberately avoided making any mention of the complete and cruel lockdown including a communication blackout in the occupied Kashmir.”

"Neither did she mention the plight of the innocent Kashmiris, who for the last 53 days, have been forced to live without food and essential supplies; 53 days without information of the well-being of family and friends; 53 days of total darkness, an abiding fear of the unknown, with no end in sight," he said.

"We were instead, treated to the fable that the illegal Indian annexation of the occupied territory was meant to remove hindrances to the ‘development’ of the occupied territory, no doubt, a novel model of development where the relevant stakeholders are not ‘mainstreamed’ but are instead locked up, their voice muffled and their liberties taken away".

"If indeed, the actions undertaken are so well-meaning to the people of Jammu and Kashmir, I ask the Indian representative why does the Indian state not allow the Kashmiri people to come out and express their feelings? Why is India so afraid? While Pakistan has nothing to hide," he said.

"Does India have the moral courage to respond to the findings of the UN OHCHR (Office of High Commissioner for Human Rights) reports on occupied Jammu and Kashmir, that have documented a litany of barbaric Indian repression in occupied Jammu and Kashmir?" "If not, the dishonest Indian defence is nothing but a self-perpetuating farce," Mr Zulqarnain asked.

"The central reality is the dire human rights and humanitarian crisis in occupied Jammu and Kashmir and the denial of the fundamental right of self-determination pledged to the Kashmiris by India, Pakistan and the international community as enshrined in 11 UN Security Council resolutions," he concluded.

https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/51...-Kashmir-for-30-years-Pakistan-submits-rejoin
 
In my opinion, Pakistan should not have replied.

Pakistan has already won the UN week when compared to India. A reply from India was weak and showed that they were clearly jolted by Imran's speech. Pakistan should have left it at that, meaning left India reeling from Imran's speech.

This reply carries no weight like Indian one and clearly ain't accomplishing anything.
 
In my opinion, Pakistan should not have replied.

Pakistan has already won the UN week when compared to India. A reply from India was weak and showed that they were clearly jolted by Imran's speech. Pakistan should have left it at that, meaning left India reeling from Imran's speech.

This reply carries no weight like Indian one and clearly ain't accomplishing anything.

How did you decide that pakistan won and India was jolted and India's reply was weak? Who was the judge?
 
How did you decide that pakistan won and India was jolted and India's reply was weak? Who was the judge?

My post started with "in my opinion".

Now, if you are looking for me to decode my thought process for you then it would be futile because the starting point of this thought process is acceptance of reality. My reality is that the lockdown of Kashmir by Indian State is inhumane. If you can confirm that this is the similar reality for you too then I can let you know my thought process when I said for me Pakistan had a better UN week than India.
 
In my opinion, Pakistan should not have replied.

Pakistan has already won the UN week when compared to India. A reply from India was weak and showed that they were clearly jolted by Imran's speech. Pakistan should have left it at that, meaning left India reeling from Imran's speech.

This reply carries no weight like Indian one and clearly ain't accomplishing anything.

No and yes. Imran just repeated what he's been saying for a couple of months and there is not much impact. So, No Pakistan hasn't won anything as there was no change in the status quo after Imran's speech. That speech was for domestic consumption. Rest of the world can't keep watching the same movie 50 times in 50 days. He keeps saying the same thing every day.

Yes, India's reply didn't carry any weight and this reply by Pakistan too. India can't complain about terrorism anymore. India already won that debate with FATF and Imran agreeing that sponsoring terror was Pak's state policy for decades. ROW stopped caring about Kashmir decades ago.
 
No and yes. Imran just repeated what he's been saying for a couple of months and there is not much impact. So, No Pakistan hasn't won anything as there was no change in the status quo after Imran's speech. That speech was for domestic consumption. Rest of the world can't keep watching the same movie 50 times in 50 days. He keeps saying the same thing every day.

Yes, India's reply didn't carry any weight and this reply by Pakistan too. India can't complain about terrorism anymore. India already won that debate with FATF and Imran agreeing that sponsoring terror was Pak's state policy for decades. ROW stopped caring about Kashmir decades ago.

The thing I agree in your post is that the replies both from India and Pakistan were weak and replies in general on UN platform looks weak as it shows you missed the opportunity to address this on the platform when you had the chance.

You mentioned this speech was for domestic consumption, as of now I don't know who would be the consumers of this speech but all I know is that this was an international platform with international audience and attendees.
 
My post started with "in my opinion".

Now, if you are looking for me to decode my thought process for you then it would be futile because the starting point of this thought process is acceptance of reality. My reality is that the lockdown of Kashmir by Indian State is inhumane. If you can confirm that this is the similar reality for you too then I can let you know my thought process when I said for me Pakistan had a better UN week than India.

I can't believe that you are replying to "childish question" by the same poster.

That question is repeated every time when nothing better way to counter any fact based opinion or factually correct point.

waste of time.
 
My post started with "in my opinion".

Now, if you are looking for me to decode my thought process for you then it would be futile because the starting point of this thought process is acceptance of reality. My reality is that the lockdown of Kashmir by Indian State is inhumane. If you can confirm that this is the similar reality for you too then I can let you know my thought process when I said for me Pakistan had a better UN week than India.

I would ignore the hindutva joshilas extremists here. They are just blindly nationalists. Agree with u on the “no need to reply” though.
 
My post started with "in my opinion".

Now, if you are looking for me to decode my thought process for you then it would be futile because the starting point of this thought process is acceptance of reality. My reality is that the lockdown of Kashmir by Indian State is inhumane. If you can confirm that this is the similar reality for you too then I can let you know my thought process when I said for me Pakistan had a better UN week than India.

if that is inhumane then how do you clasify the Kashmiri Pandit ethnic cleansing ?
 
I guess you don't care about Kashmiri (muslims) since they aren't Hindu.

first of all Iam not the one going around mocking Human rights of any community like you do in your signature. Secondly last time I checked the no.of Muslim casualties is far less than the Muslim casualty and that there has been no Muslim equivalent of the Pandit exodus. Thirdly how did Muslims come to be in majority in a area that was predominantly Hindu ? ( You will have to go way back in history to get answers for that last question)
 
This was a tame reply. The guy had no charisma. The Indian women representatives were laughing at him.
 
first of all Iam not the one going around mocking Human rights of any community like you do in your signature. Secondly last time I checked the no.of Muslim casualties is far less than the Muslim casualty and that there has been no Muslim equivalent of the Pandit exodus. Thirdly how did Muslims come to be in majority in a area that was predominantly Hindu ? ( You will have to go way back in history to get answers for that last question)

Who are you kidding? You'tr mocking the Kashmiri genocide by claiming that it didn't happen. Over 90,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed by India in the last 30 years, several thousand are injured, several thousand Kashmiri women and girls have been raped by indian soldiers, tens of thousands of Kashmiri muslims are missing. The Pandit death toll is NO WHERE near the death toll of Kashmiri (muslims). Kashmir has been Muslim majority since the 14th century, it's been 700 years and the conversions were done by sufi orders so Idk how that is relevant to all this. Muslims faced an exodus in the 19th and early 20th century in Kashmir when the Dogras and Sikhs were in control, hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims left their homes, several thousands of Kashmiris and Muslims in jammu were murdered and many women were raped and taken as concubines by the Dogras but I wouldn't expect you to know the history of a land that isn't India.
 
Who are you kidding? You'tr mocking the Kashmiri genocide by claiming that it didn't happen. Over 90,000 Kashmiri Muslims have been killed by India in the last 30 years, several thousand are injured, several thousand Kashmiri women and girls have been raped by indian soldiers, tens of thousands of Kashmiri muslims are missing.

Show me where I mocked ? Whereas you are throwing smilies and making fun of KP ethnic cleansing by shamelessly claiming that in your signature. And that figure of 90K is a blatant lie. The official figure is 41,000 and whose fault is that ? Who sent Jihadi's to the valley ? Who killed and evicted the Pandits ? What did you expect would happen after that ? You think the army would garland the scambags ?



The Pandit death toll is NO WHERE near the death toll of Kashmiri (muslims). Kashmir has been Muslim majority since the 14th century, it's been 700 years and the conversions were done by sufi orders so Idk how that is relevant to all this.

Dude the entire KP community has been evicted out of Valley there is no similar equal catastrophe that has come the Muslim way.

This is a half truth .... here is the full story as to how Hindus were systematically driven out from Kashmir : https://kashmirasitis.com/kashmiri-pandit-migration


Muslims faced an exodus in the 19th and early 20th century in Kashmir when the Dogras and Sikhs were in control, hundreds of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims left their homes, several thousands of Kashmiris and Muslims in jammu were murdered and many women were raped and taken as concubines by the Dogras but I wouldn't expect you to know the history of a land that isn't India.

And the reason why you are expecting to be treated in a civilized way when you dont have any compunctions to accord the same courtesy is .... ?
 
This was a tame reply. The guy had no charisma. The Indian women representatives were laughing at him.

I might be wrong but I have a feeling that they were given instructions to laugh and smile because during IK’s speech they looked at the verge of tears and that made for embarrassing viewing. So my guess they were told to put on a more dismissive demeanour to make up for almost crying during Imran’s speech. But yeah the guy definitely did lack flair.
 
This was a tame reply. The guy had no charisma. The Indian women representatives were laughing at him.

and your expectation was that they would be crying? You have seen pics of the same reps sitting listening to IK with an appearance of someone who had experienced great personal tragedy?
 
Show me where I mocked ? Whereas you are throwing smilies and making fun of KP ethnic cleansing by shamelessly claiming that in your signature. And that figure of 90K is a blatant lie. The official figure is 41,000 and whose fault is that ? Who sent Jihadi's to the valley ? Who killed and evicted the Pandits ? What did you expect would happen after that ? You think the army would garland the scambags ?





Dude the entire KP community has been evicted out of Valley there is no similar equal catastrophe that has come the Muslim way.

This is a half truth .... here is the full story as to how Hindus were systematically driven out from Kashmir : https://kashmirasitis.com/kashmiri-pandit-migration




And the reason why you are expecting to be treated in a civilized way when you dont have any compunctions to accord the same courtesy is .... ?



This poster here has neglected to mention the Muslim genocide committed by Hari Singh thereby neglecting the context of why Pandits were driven out. For 700 odd years Kashmir has been Muslim majority eith our without the Pandits.
 
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and your expectation was that they would be crying? You have seen pics of the same reps sitting listening to IK with an appearance of someone who had experienced great personal tragedy?

Not sure about their expressions being that far fetched. They looked sheepish, yes. However, I thought her reply was pretty strong though.

I might be wrong but I have a feeling that they were given instructions to laugh and smile because during IK’s speech ...

This seems quite likely given that the BJP are already complaining about IK's speech.

But I really don't see what good Pakistanis see coming out of these perceived photo-op/verbal victories. The BJP will not under any circumstance go back on what they did in Kashmir. Most people in India support the move.

I watched the entire IK speech. He made some factual errors, exaggerated the RSS and spun some fanciful stories about oppression of minorities in India. Other than that, it was a good speech, especially the points raised about Islamophobia. He presented this in a palatable, seemingly-sincere manner.

But unfortunately, he will go down as the PM who gave away Kashmir. This is just the reality and not something that makes me or a lot of Indians gleeful since he has always had some degree of respect here.

On the plus side, he has several years in power left and and there are plenty of other opportunities to repair this legacy.

I'm a fan of certain conspiracy theories. So Pulwama is one which seems sketchy to me. I was recently chatting with a friend about the timing of taking over Kashmir (in proper). Seems like other political parties in Pak stand to gain from this including a friend of Modi with whom he enjoyed a meal :smith
 
This poster here has neglected to mention the Muslim genocide committed by Hari Singh thereby neglecting the context of why Pandits were driven out. For 700 odd years Kashmir has been Muslim majority eith our without the Pandits.

Hari singh abdicated in 1950. Pandits were driven out in 1989-90.

For 1000 of years Kashmir was Hindu majority before Sikandar Butshikan started his policy of killing,maiming punishing hindus and destroying their temples.
 
The women representatives were probably shown the memes circulating on them and told to keep laughing poses throughout :))
 
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