[VIDEO] Pemra asks broadcasters, advertisers to review biscuit ad following complaints

[CricketCartoons]

Again, Islam is black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. You can't a middle ground unlike in Hinduism where you can basically do whatever you want and worship whoever you want and you can make up the rules as you go along.

So it is hypocrisy when you pick the rules that suit you and abandon the ones that don't and again maybe Hinduism promotes hypocrisy but Islam certainly forbids it.

Islam may be black and white, but it is a test. The followers will make their best attempt. Not answering all questions because you cannot answer the hard ones, is not the best attempt. Basic common sense. I mean really very simple and easy to understand that even a KG student will get it (not meaning as an insult to you, i think you are very smart but just troll for fun).

 

[uberkoen]

Islam may be black and white, but it is a test. The followers will make their best attempt. Not answering all questions because you cannot answer the hard ones, is not the best attempt. Basic common sense. I mean really very simple and easy to understand that even a KG student will get it (not meaning as an insult to you, i think you are very smart but just troll for fun).

That's not how it works. If you're purposely ignoring rules then you're wrong. If you're defying the commands of Allah on purpose then you're committing a sin. There is nothing hard about the principles of Islam. The tenets are easy enough for everyone to follow.

The excuse that banning vulgar content is too difficult is absurd to say the least. If they can ban dancing ad's why can't they ban other content that is also vulgar under Islamic rules what is so difficult about that?

 

[Energy]

That's quite messed up, if this ad is banned. PEMRA has got its priorities in the wrong place, like all our other institutions. Who is the authority on biscuits and dancing can't go together? Pseudo Moulvis in PEMRA?

A few months back there was a similar ad for a drink promoted by Saba Qamar. And there have been similar ads in the past. So why is this one singled out?

 

[uberkoen]

That's quite messed up, if this ad is banned. PEMRA has got its priorities in the wrong place, like all our other institutions. Who is the authority on biscuits and dancing can't go together? Pseudo Moulvis in PEMRA?

A few months back there was a similar ad for a drink promoted by Saba Qamar. And there have been similar ads in the past. So why is this one singled out?

Yes, we can have dance performances on morning shows we can have other similar ads that go ahead without being banned (Noor did one similar a few years ago) but this is the one they pick on.

I don't think it has anything to do with pseudo moulvis. Probably more with bribery considering how other similar things have been allowed to go ahead. Although if you watch the ad closely I can understand why Pakistani's found this to be offensive. I mean, did you see how inappropriately her hair was flailing? bereft of all morals I tell you!

Pakistani Govt: Bullies every business with bans, regulation, and red tape

Also Pakistani Govt: WHY ARENT FOREIGN INVESTORS COMING TO PAKISTAN?!?!?

 

[CricketCartoons]

That's not how it works. If you're purposely ignoring rules then you're wrong. If you're defying the commands of Allah on purpose then you're committing a sin. There is nothing hard about the principles of Islam. The tenets are easy enough for everyone to follow.

The excuse that banning vulgar content is too difficult is absurd to say the least. If they can ban dancing ad's why can't they ban other content that is also vulgar under Islamic rules what is so difficult about that?

It is not out of purpose, but lack of moral strength. We are humans after all.

I thought I was talking about banning vulgar content, but not the medium, while you were talking of banning the medium itself.

Of course, they should ban all vulgar content. If they are not doing it, then someone is not doing their job and should be fired.

 

[uberkoen]

It is not out of purpose, but lack of moral strength. We are humans after all.

I thought I was talking about banning vulgar content, but not the medium, while you were talking of banning the medium itself.

Of course, they should ban all vulgar content. If they are not doing it, then someone is not doing their job and should be fired.

When you ban all vulgar content there is nothing left on the medium so what's the point of keeping it?

 

[CricketCartoons]

When you ban all vulgar content there is nothing left on the medium so what's the point of keeping it?

I give it to you that you are running circles around me and toying with me with such vacuous questions, but out of respect for you as a poster, I will answer. banning vulgar content will open the medium and encourage both content creators and viewers to cultivate, support and promote pious and moral content showing family and religious values.

 

[uberkoen]

I give it to you that you are running circles around me and toying with me with such vacuous questions, but out of respect for you as a poster, I will answer. banning vulgar content will open the medium and encourage both content creators and viewers to cultivate, support and promote pious and moral content showing family and religious values.

They can't show family values on TV as that would involve showing a female which isn't allowed. Yes, they should keep religious content on TV so basically ban all channels except religious channels

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I can understand banning "Churails"... but banning this ad seems hypocritical.

I've seen mehndi dances in much less clothes in Pakistan. I've seen Q-mobile get away with much worse and vulgar ads. Heck I've seen tea ads which show more skin than this.

PEMRA really needs a consistent policy. Reactionary bans make them look stupid (not that they are the brightest anyways)

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Pakistan really needs to get a reality check and that too very quick before it is far too late as there are much more pressing issues plaguing the entire country and it's people.

Yet they pick on the slightest silly things like this that are not even fahaash, vulgar or whatever you may want to call it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Again, Islam is black and white. Either you follow the rules or you don't. You can't a middle ground unlike in Hinduism where you can basically do whatever you want and worship whoever you want and you can make up the rules as you go along.

So it is hypocrisy when you pick the rules that suit you and abandon the ones that don't and again maybe Hinduism promotes hypocrisy but Islam certainly forbids it.

Islam isn't black or white, that is just your interpretation as an atheist who needs everything to be black and white. Where are your sources that can confirm Islam is black or white?

 

[Greenstorm]

Why doesn't PEMRA just permanntly close all channels? I mean after all we are an Islamic country are these drama channels and these news channels really part of our culture or religion? Just ban everything. While we are at it, we should ask the government to ban the sale and production of TV's as these are also unislamic.

What about radio's? We should car manufacturers and sellers to remove radio's from the cars they are selling as this is also unislamic because it plays music.

Internet. We need to ban the internet. Or atleast websites like youtube and possibly this forum and others where unIslamic things are being discussed. Facebook should be banned so many offensive videos are shared on Facebook. Similarly, twitter and Instagram as well. The content shared on these websites could hurt public sensitivities.

It is just your view. Most Pakistani Muslims do not believe that TV, radio or internet are unislamic. I know you want to divert this discussion in a different direction and are probably armed with dozens of verses from Quran and hadith to support your view that presents an extreme version of Islam but I am not interested in going there.

 

[Greenstorm]

Looks like Islam in its pure form wants muslims to be zen like, away from any temptations or trappings of worldly desires, which also explains why it is hard to be a perfect muslim.

but this is a poor argument, that just because you cannot follow one rule, you should not follow any rule. Banning the vulgar content and keeping the platform is a good middle ground balancing the moral values of the society while moving on with the times.

Hadiths cannot be interpreted without context.
Idolatry was strong among pre Islamic Arabs of Hejaz. Pictures containing elements of shirk were in fashion in those times and Prophet (PBUH) used to strongly discourage their display.

 

[Madplayer]

There are different versions of Islam?

Every great religion that spans across continents is going to have different interpretations and local cultures have to do a lot with how a religious law will be understood and how strictly or leniently it will be implemented. It's an accepted norm until the fundamental beliefs remain the same which in Islam revolve around monotheism. It is the same with even Hinduism which is largely restricted to fewer countries.

 

[Gayle_Force]

I just think all these issues can be sorted once and for all if Pakistani government clearly defines and enforces what is considered vulgar.

From the outside, it currently just seems all over the place with a segment of society thinking that women not covering their head is vulgar and another segment even being ok with watching shows filled with nudity like Game of Thrones.

 

[Technics 1210]

Bottom line : the only opinion that should matter on this topic is that of a family person.

If you are single or have no children, your opinion means squat. Anyone with children will understand the concerns.

Family values and unity are the bedrock of a nation's future.

When the immature become mature, they will tow in line.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Bottom line : the only opinion that should matter on this topic is that of a family person.

If you are single or have no children, your opinion means squat. Anyone with children will understand the concerns.

Family values and unity are the bedrock of a nation's future.

When the immature become mature, they will tow in line.

Let me simplify it even further. The only opinion that matters on this topic is Pakistan public opinion. If they want to watch maulvis doing Quran recitations let them get on with it. If they want to watch Game of Thrones, have at it.

Pakistani Brits, London based atheists, Australian Indians and the rest can all have an opinion, but none of them are relevant.

 

[Technics 1210]

Let me simplify it even further. The only opinion that matters on this topic is Pakistan public opinion. If they want to watch maulvis doing Quran recitations let them get on with it. If they want to watch Game of Thrones, have at it.

Pakistani Brits, London based atheists, Australian Indians and the rest can all have an opinion, but none of them are relevant.

And the only public opinion in Pakistan that matters is the family opinion.

In the lowest common denominated terms, if it was your daughter men where drooling over then would you encourage her in the name of Liberalism?

Doesn't matter where you live, unless you're a parent you will never understand the concerns because it's important to understand the concerns cos these concerns also exist in the UK.

 

[uberkoen]

Islam isn't black or white, that is just your interpretation as an atheist who needs everything to be black and white. Where are your sources that can confirm Islam is black or white?

So you're telling me it is allowed in Islam to oogle at na mahram women?

 

[uberkoen]

And the only public opinion in Pakistan that matters is the family opinion.

In the lowest common denominated terms, if it was your daughter men where drooling over then would you encourage her in the name of Liberalism?

Doesn't matter where you live, unless you're a parent you will never understand the concerns because it's important to understand the concerns cos these concerns also exist in the UK.

The mentality of the people on this forum shock me. It's Mehwish Hayat do you think her parents are not proud of her? Do you think it matters to her what YOU or others like you think about her? Why must you become a savior of all Pakistani daughters? She doesn't need your concern. She's been doing very well without it and I'm sure her parents are very proud of what she has achieved.

 

[uberkoen]

It is just your view. Most Pakistani Muslims do not believe that TV, radio or internet are unislamic. I know you want to divert this discussion in a different direction and are probably armed with dozens of verses from Quran and hadith to support your view that presents an extreme version of Islam but I am not interested in going there.

So watching Drama's on TV is okay in Islam? Listening to music on the radio is okay in Islam?

 

[uberkoen]

Let me simplify it even further. The only opinion that matters on this topic is Pakistan public opinion. If they want to watch maulvis doing Quran recitations let them get on with it. If they want to watch Game of Thrones, have at it.

Pakistani Brits, London based atheists, Australian Indians and the rest can all have an opinion, but none of them are relevant.

In that case, you shouldn't even be on this thread

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So you're telling me it is allowed in Islam to oogle at na mahram women?

I am telling you that you can't read, but if you think that's what I said then please quote me.

In that case, you shouldn't even be on this thread

These dumb one liners are really meaningless unless you can provide some reasoning as to what connects them to the post you are quoting.