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[VIDEO] Shan Masood 2.0 - Performance Watch

The fact he has stats behind him means he should play the next test. If he doesn't perform there - should be dropped definitely.
 
Hasan123 said:
Shan Masood has a long spell of not being dropped. He has done nothing to earn another series.
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Yep i suppose so but gotta look at replacing just one player i reckon as oppose to both. I would opt for the safe choice in keeping Shan and dropping Abid (assuming if Abid fails in the next match) but if Shan also fails then i won't be against both being dropped.
 
Osman said:
What else can we do though? Is there absolutely noone in domestic that is a decent opening option?
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Omair bin yousuf looks good but his stats this year have been poor.ali zaryab did okay but stil average less than 40 this season cant think of anyone else thou
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Yep i suppose so but gotta look at replacing just one player i reckon as oppose to both. I would opt for the safe choice in keeping Shan and dropping Abid (assuming if Abid fails in the next match) but if Shan also fails then i won't be against both being dropped.
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We definitely need a change at the top of the order. Both of them aren't good enough.
 
Pakistani openers have an issue of intent and that is something which impacts our top order the most. It is true that the new ball has to be negotiated but bad balls need to be given proper treatment. Good openers are always looking for some runs early on to loosen their nerves and get set. Our openers stay in single digits for too long and one delivery is enough to end your innings.
Shan Masood has to look for runs while leaving good number of deliveries in the second test if he wants to succeed.
 
Hasan123 said:
We definitely need a change at the top of the order. Both of them aren't good enough.
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I think it's hard to go change happy, but i reckon if you have Shan and then trial Imran i will be ok. I've been following the test series but not QeA, any suggestion for openers?
 
Shoaibbtt said:
I think it's hard to go change happy, but i reckon if you have Shan and then trial Imran i will be ok. I've been following the test series but not QeA, any suggestion for openers?
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Other than Imam Ul Haq I don’t have any suggestions. I would love to have seen Sami Aslam get a chance. But he has gone to USA now.
 
Hasan123 said:
Other than Imam Ul Haq I don’t have any suggestions. I would love to have seen Sami Aslam get a chance. But he has gone to USA now.
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Imam deserves no chance in my eyes, he's just as bad as the rest. I wish PCB's site could be better and mention the positions some of these players play. Imran Butt is one option but even then he's not been impressive.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Imam deserves no chance in my eyes, he's just as bad as the rest. I wish PCB's site could be better and mention the positions some of these players play. Imran Butt is one option but even then he's not been impressive.
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Imam has character and come across as intelligent thinker of the game. If he puts his mind to it he can be a good test player. Shan averages 30, Imam can surpass that. He has shown in ODIs that he can get 100s.
 
Hasan123 said:
Imam has character and come across as intelligent thinker of the game. If he puts his mind to it he can be a good test player. Shan averages 30, Imam can surpass that. He has shown in ODIs that he can get 100s.
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Imam has gotten a couple of 50s, but a test ave of 25 does nothing. He's still young and so i would suggest he remain on the domestic circuit and work his way back in like everyone else. Opening wise i think Sharjeel is the only name i see, he's had a fairly decent QeA run this season with an average of 43.
 
We need to keep Shan and Abid Ali till 2030 because we don't have Justin Langer and Mathew Hayden in domestic cricket. We are a pathetic team but unless you are as good as Hayden and Langer you can't get in this team as an opener. No one in domestic cricket is capable of averaging 30 which is Abid and Shans limit. This is was the same argument made for keeping Sarfraz but now Rizwan dispelled the myth that Sarfraz was the best keeper in the country. Remember that [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION].

All you need to do is average over 30 and you will be better than our current opening pair. We lack quality badly but I'm sure if we can find 2 players who can do that.
 
Osman said:
Its not like we are brimming with options. He can't do any worse than the current clowns so might as well throw him in and find out. Right now an opener that can average 36 at test level would do tbh.
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If u want to replace Abid Ali with Imran butt then Abid avg is 39 in fc with 20 centuries with an experience of 200+ inns.
So if Abid is struggling then Imran would go back to pavilion quicker than Abid I believe lol.
On the other hand Shan was just back from a very good hundred in England in the first test and then from there remaining 5 inns no significant numbers but he will be retained for that century and he got out here in the first inns on a nothing delivery.
 
Not good enough atm. I do not want to write him off but he is way too defensive.
 
Zaz said:
Lol on what basis? He avges 38 since his comeback Take out bangladesh n sri lanka the avge plummets to 26 since 2018

Hes as medicore as they come Its time pakistan looked elsewhere
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It's 33.70 against SENA nations away since 2018 which is good for an opener.
 
Abdullah Rabbani said:
Why not kamran open with sharjeel and saud at 3
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I think saud is more suited to number 5 he finds ways of getting out.kamran am not to sure i think he normally bats in the middle and dont think they will try either sharjeel or kamran opening maybe 3 at best sharjeel no chance
 
When will the pain stop?

Plus such a selfish decision to take the review. Utter idiot.
 
I am glad world is seeing how garbage Shan Masood is. He can’t play bounce, he can’t play swing and certainly can’t play pace well. Moreover that is by far the worst review in the history of test cricket to take.
 
Plenty of work to do on his batting.

Basic issues.

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The dismissal in full glory

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Time to move on from shan and find some else domestically to do a job.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Time to move on from shan and find some else domestically to do a job.
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That person is Imam-ul-Haq. I appreciate that his domestic first class stats aren't much better than Shan but he is early in his career and it's just abundantly obvious that he is a very capable batsman.

Azhar and Imam should open the innings with one of our star domestic batsmen (Saud, Ghaulam, Abdullah) taking a place in the middle order.
 
Usman said:
That person is Imam-ul-Haq. I appreciate that his domestic first class stats aren't much better than Shan but he is early in his career and it's just abundantly obvious that he is a very capable batsman.

Azhar and Imam should open the innings with one of our star domestic batsmen (Saud, Ghaulam, Abdullah) taking a place in the middle order.
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Sorry but imam has looked useless in his test career so far. He was poor away to england. He was also exposed technically in UAE vs NZ. No point replacing one garbage player with another.

Azhar needs to retire as hes on his last legs.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Sorry but imam has looked useless in his test career so far. He was poor away to england. He was also exposed technically in UAE vs NZ. No point replacing one garbage player with another.

Azhar needs to retire as hes on his last legs.
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Ok but if you're sending everyone into the garbage bin, you'll soon find there's no one left! If not Imam or Azhar, who do you want? The only other opener performing in Pakistan is Sharjeel Khan but is he really a test opener?
 
Usman said:
Ok but if you're sending everyone into the garbage bin, you'll soon find there's no one left! If not Imam or Azhar, who do you want? The only other opener performing in Pakistan is Sharjeel Khan but is he really a test opener?
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Sami Aslam, Imran butt, Zain Abbas ,Israrulllah and lot more
 
Usman said:
Ok but if you're sending everyone into the garbage bin, you'll soon find there's no one left! If not Imam or Azhar, who do you want? The only other opener performing in Pakistan is Sharjeel Khan but is he really a test opener?
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Sadly we are scrapping the barrel when it comes to test openers. Selectors are going to have to be brave and identify new players to select and see if they can do a job.

Imam has shown nothing so far in his test career to say he will do a half decent job. Looks very technically inept.
 
Batted like a man on borrowed time

I cant remember a worse review taken by a Pakistani batsman
 
b.lesner said:
Sami Aslam, Imran butt, Zain Abbas ,Israrulllah and lot more
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These players are not good enough. Each average in the 30s in domestic cricket. Unless that average gets into the 40s, they will suffer from the same issues as Masood - I.e. lack of performance stemming directly from lack of ability.

The answer is not replacing a rubbish player with another one. That won't get you anywhere at all.

Amjid Javed said:
Sadly we are scrapping the barrel when it comes to test openers. Selectors are going to have to be brave and identify new players to select and see if they can do a job.

Imam has shown nothing so far in his test career to say he will do a half decent job. Looks very technically inept.
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That's good in theory but I am afraid we can all see the same games and stats as the selectors. There is no magic option for the selectors here.

I truly believe Imam is technically better than Masood. Yes I say that from his one day batting but ultimately the best batsmen are able to replicate their form across the formats.

In the current circumstances, I think Imam should be given a long run.
 
Usman said:
These players are not good enough. Each average in the 30s in domestic cricket. Unless that average gets into the 40s, they will suffer from the same issues as Masood - I.e. lack of performance stemming directly from lack of ability.

The answer is not replacing a rubbish player with another one. That won't get you anywhere at all.



That's good in theory but I am afraid we can all see the same games and stats as the selectors. There is no magic option for the selectors here.

I truly believe Imam is technically better than Masood. Yes I say that from his one day batting but ultimately the best batsmen are able to replicate their form across the formats.

In the current circumstances, I think Imam should be given a long run.
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Sorry exactly what batsmen in world cricket that open in ODIs are currently doing a great job opening in test cricket?

ODIs are played on roads where most openers get away with rubbish technics.

Imams technic isnt much better then sgans. Also imam was given a long run in test side and failed. Were you watching games on radio when he was in the test side? Please enlighten me on what technical ability he has shown in test cricket?
 
We need to be opening with Abid and Azhar, and that's not just based off of the ongoing partnership.
 
Masood had to b dragged off the pitch... good sign... shows he values his wkt...
 
Saj said:
Plenty of work to do on his batting.

Basic issues.

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It was a pretty good ball that moved in late.
BUT, as Shan is famous for his "great hard work" and having "great workout ethics", he should have had more quick reflexes developed to be able to cope with this ball.

He was slow to react and it was too late. I don't see any evidence of hard work here.
 
MenInG said:
The dismissal in full glory

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BEAUTY of a delivery.
Way above Shan Masood's pay grade so not surprising that Shan was left helpless.

Ball was going out, batsman commits but the ball moves in very late. I am not a fan of Shan but this was really a good delivery that would've gotten many left handers. The late movement made it almost unplayable.

My only issue is that he was dumb and selfish enough to purposely waste a DRS review, when he very well knew that it was plumb.
And Abid wasn't much of an influence either. He should have stopped him from wasting the review.
 
Amjid Javed said:
Sorry exactly what batsmen in world cricket that open in ODIs are currently doing a great job opening in test cricket?

ODIs are played on roads where most openers get away with rubbish technics.

Imams technic isnt much better then sgans. Also imam was given a long run in test side and failed. Were you watching games on radio when he was in the test side? Please enlighten me on what technical ability he has shown in test cricket?
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There are a few - David Warner comes to mind. I'm not comparing Imam with Warner, but I also don't accept that you are either a test opener or a ODI opener but you can't be both. There are plenty of examples now and in the past when that has been done successfully.

I agree that Imam hasn't made a great start to test cricket. However my point is that his ability far exceeds Shan's. Therefore in the long run, his performance is likely to be significantly better than Shan's.

The point is that if you want to have a moan about people like Shan, which you clearly do and so do I, you need to explain what you consider to be the alternatives. So far your alternative is effectively "the selectors should perform a magic trick and produce a new test level opener who nobody has heard about or seen". That is no solution.

So I ask again if not Imam, then who. If you can't answer that, then I can't see what the issue is with giving Imam another go.
 
he was never anything special
hopefully you guys finally realise that

but it's the same with rizwan, he isn't too barring a few once off performances
 
He played one for the ages and then for ages he hasn't scored. So sad and tragic.
 
I wanted Shan Masood as a short-term Test skipper 2021-23.

Now that he has missed that boat, I don't see the point in selecting him. He was always going to be one of those skippers who barely holds down a place on merit, and he is yet another Over-30 in the batting order.

We saw in England in 2016 that he is inferior to Sami Aslam in every respect. Yet again, Misbah has backed the wrong horse.
 
He nicked twice in the last Test so now he is wary of his off-stump.

So now he is getting pinned on his feet. Now Mr. hard work will focus on not getting LBW and then he will forget where his off-stump is and start nicking again.
 
Finding Scoring Masood | One post = One wish

With heavy heart, I have to say that Shan Masood who played one knock for the ages in England has now for ages not scored runs.

His duck farm is expanding at an alarming level.

I have for long suspected black magic to be the real cause behind this inexplicable dry run.

To rescue his shinking ship, i am initiating a reverse black magic thread.

Welcoming all good will ambassadors to come in support for Masood so that he goes back to scoring runs.
 
After his 156

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7 Innings
3 ducks
5 innings of less than 5
Average of 4.7


I think he’s Shan Masood 2.0 - 1.0
 
He's put in a lot of hardwork and seemed to have turned things around but the poor guy is not international material. He has not one iota of talent and hiring the services of personal coaches has unfortunately not done much good.

He could still have a decent cricketing career as a domestic player. If he plays 3-4 years and does well ( which he will do as despite his lack of talent he has a far suprerior attitude to domestic players) he can become a well regarded domestic legend.

He could potentially become a half decent pundit or scribe ( like Aakash Chopra) or is the current regime is in place then could end up with a role in the PCB.
 
Usman said:
There are a few - David Warner comes to mind. I'm not comparing Imam with Warner, but I also don't accept that you are either a test opener or a ODI opener but you can't be both. There are plenty of examples now and in the past when that has been done successfully.

I agree that Imam hasn't made a great start to test cricket. However my point is that his ability far exceeds Shan's. Therefore in the long run, his performance is likely to be significantly better than Shan's.

The point is that if you want to have a moan about people like Shan, which you clearly do and so do I, you need to explain what you consider to be the alternatives. So far your alternative is effectively "the selectors should perform a magic trick and produce a new test level opener who nobody has heard about or seen". That is no solution.

So I ask again if not Imam, then who. If you can't answer that, then I can't see what the issue is with giving Imam another go.
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There are currently not many examples of players opening in ODIs and tests globally. This is why i asked the question. Imran butt has been selected in squad so he should be next to be given a go. Will he be a sucess? Dont know, however we can keep wasting time investing time in recycling failures.

Since been dropped from test side what exactly has imam shown technically or otherwise to earn a recall?
 
Openers will get good balls and they will have low scores but to be beaten for pace by 77mph ball, albeit a swinging one, isn't good enough.
 
Bewal Express said:
Openers will get good balls and they will have low scores but to be beaten for pace by 77mph ball, albeit a swinging one, isn't good enough.
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It swung, but yes it was a 125 kph ball from Southee, not 152kph from Shoaib Akhtar.
 
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Before the tour I thought Shan would be able to maintain a 30+ average. He's surprised me, his Test average is now 29.95!

Shan, how low can you go?
 
Saj said:
It swung, but yes it was a 125 kph ball from Southee, not 152kph from Shoaib Akhtar.
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Totally agree, but Shan may well score a 50 and get another year in the test team. The selectors shouldn't just look at the most recent performance but look over a period of time. His average of 30 over 6 years says a lot.
 
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Amjid Javed said:
There are currently not many examples of players opening in ODIs and tests globally. This is why i asked the question. Imran butt has been selected in squad so he should be next to be given a go. Will he be a sucess? Dont know, however we can keep wasting time investing time in recycling failures.

Since been dropped from test side what exactly has imam shown technically or otherwise to earn a recall?
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Imran Butt has an average of 36 after 72 First Class games. One good first class season isn't enough for me to be convinced he is much better than those stats.

Imam has very similar stats, albeit he has played less first class cricket than Imran. In the absence of 40+ averaging candidates in domestic cricket, all we are left with is judging who has the most potential from the available pool. My point is that from what we have seen from Imam in international cricket generally, he has potential. You might be right that he won't perform in Test cricket, but with Shan and Abid performing the way they are, and in the absence of any other credible candidate, Imam deserves another go. You never know, he may surprise you.

In my view, the only other option left is Sharjeel. Sharjeel is inconsistent but we have all seen over the last 24 hours how important positive intent can be. Again, if the other openers are opening egg farms with the number of eggs they are accumulating, it might be worth giving Sharjeel a go too.
 
After several drop catches including Williamson in the last game, this fool fluffed another one against Latham, only for Harris to save him. For all his "hard work", he is a truly rubbish all round cricketer.
 
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Saj said:
It swung, but yes it was a 125 kph ball from Southee, not 152kph from Shoaib Akhtar.
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aboslutley, his rubbish technique made it look like a jaffa. It was hint of inswing which he should have easily managed. Poor Technique .FULL STOP
 
A shocking series. Needs to be dropped as a result.
 
The worst batsman to play 20 test plus matches along with Faisal Iqbal
 
He has got the 2nd worst average as a opener in history(20 plus test matches). I consider it the worst because Alimuddin played cricket in early 50s
 
Another egg to add to the ever growing egg farm. Out for 0 again.
 
Surely this is the end of his Pakistan career? Only an idiot would select him now.
 
Another hardworking duck. Showed a lot of guts and character.
 
One of the worst openers in our history. This should be the end of his Test career, even English won't be able to save him now I reckon.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
With heavy heart, I have to say that Shan Masood who played one knock for the ages in England has now for ages not scored runs.

His duck farm is expanding at an alarming level.

I have for long suspected black magic to be the real cause behind this inexplicable dry run.

To rescue his shinking ship, i am initiating a reverse black magic thread.

Welcoming all good will ambassadors to come in support for Masood so that he goes back to scoring runs.
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[MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Future of a young player rests in your hands. Please allow this thread. This pain is becoming unbearable for me personally.
 
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