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Sher Shah Suri was a visionary ruler whose reforms and administrative systems were so effective that both the Mughals and later the British adopted many of his policies. He, unlike Mughals, was a leader that even Hindus adored and would have kept the Indian subcontinent more united had he lived long.

Sher Shah Suri’s achievements included introducing a standardized currency (the rupee), building the Grand Trunk Road, and implementing efficient revenue and administrative systems. And that is the reason that his reforms laid a foundation that even the British later built upon.

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Some historians speculate that if his dynasty had lasted and his reforms continued, India might have been more unified and resilient, possibly making it harder for the British to establish control. However, this is conjecture and not supported by direct historical evidence.
 
This is basically a Sher Shah Suri appreciation thread, I was surprised to find that TPS had no thread on him. Had he lived long then no British or other colonial power may have subjugated India. Also because of his tolerance towards minority, the Muslims conversions would have grew even at a much faster pace.
 
I was about to tag you bro asking to open some spicy thread on Islamic invader or Modi bashing etc. Its a boring day and itching to do some jhagra

:qdkcheeky
Lol...so he is just an extension of Mughals...even your historians disagree. He was a just ruler with a few follies.
 
I was about to tag you bro asking to open some spicy thread on Islamic invader or Modi bashing etc. Its a boring day and itching to do some jhagra

:qdkcheeky
Even Marxists love him :kp
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K.R. Qanungo regarded him as a superior nation-builder compared to Akbar, emphasizing his administrative genius and reforms that laid foundational policies later adopted by the Mughals

Dr. Hussain Khan highlights Sher Shah’s visionary governance, including agrarian reforms, abolition of forced labor, and infrastructure projects like the Grand Trunk Road

Marxist scholars often romanticize him as a "great Muslim ruler" symbolizing justice and progress4, while other analyses credit his egalitarian justice system (applying harsh penalties uniformly) and economic policies that boosted trade by removing internal taxes57
 
Lol...so he is just an extension of Mughals...even your historians disagree. He was a just ruler with a few follies.
He is not extension of Mughals. He defeated Humayun and established the Suri dynasty. There was no wink wink you rule this, I rule that kind of agreement between them.

Both Lodhis and Suris are Pashtoon warlords. They migrated to India in search of better opportunities as military service men under the budding Mughal empire. Shershah found that Humayun was weak and took over him as the ruler of Delhi.
Unfortunately for Shershah, his reign was very short lived, After only 5 years upon becoming the ruler, he passed away. In 5 years he introduced a lot of reforms for which the people of North India were very happy. He introduced Land Revenue system, built road networks, Guest houses.... After Shershah, Suri empire fell into disarray. Humayun seized back control of Delhi from the Suris.

The initial 100 year period of Mughal rule was a conflict between Pashtuns and Uzbeks. Power was exchanged between both factions. Mughal empire was not firmly established in North India until Akbar's time. Akbar was smart and make alliances with local Rajputs who formed a significant chunk of his army. The rest were foreign fighters aka Ghazis. After Akbar, Jehangir was a weak emporer and Shahjahan was not any significantly better. It was Aurangzeb that gave Mughal empire the peak. Almost covered 85% of modern India.

Mughal empire is glorified for whatever reasons by leftists in India. They get the most coverage out of all empires that ruled India in the past 2000 years Fact is, Mughal reign lasted for less than 300 years. Even British ruled India for 200 years.
 
Lol a "learn" for Modi too as he failed by his
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Lessons in leadership: What Narendra Modi could learn from Sher Shah Suri​

The anniversaries of Modi’s 2014 victory and Sher Shah Suri’s defeat of Humayun hold an opportunity to compare the two rulers.

On May 16, 2014, Narendra Modi secured the prime ministership of India, having led his party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, and its allies to a comfortable majority in the Lok Sabha. On May 17, 1540, Sher Shah Suri won a decisive victory against the Mughal emperor Humayun in the battle of Kannauj. The parallels between the lives of the two leaders are striking. Like Modi, Sher Shah was brought up in a small Indian town and ran away from home in his teens following a family dispute. He found mentors who appreciated his talent and ambition, and furthered his career. He ruled a large province where he reorganised the administration. He outmanoeuvred better positioned peers to become leader of his clan. He was middle-aged by the time he faced his most important battle. His young adversary, born into one of Asia’s most renowned dynasties, was good-natured and well-meaning, but a little clueless and prone to indolence. He handed this opponent a comprehensive drubbing to ascend the throne of Delhi.

The similarities between the two leaders throw into sharp relief the divergences in their respective accomplishments. The Suri dynasty was the shortest-lived of the Delhi Sultanates, with Sher Shah himself dying a mere five years after his Kannauj triumph, killed by an accidental mine explosion during a siege. But he made those five years count the way few rulers anywhere in the world have done, instituting momentous reforms that for centuries changed the way India was governed.


In his first public comments after his 2014 win, Narendra Modi said he needed 10 years to transform India. His followers have been parroting that line ever since. The 10 year figure is a smoke screen. If one speaks of India’s journey to becoming a developed nation, a decade is nowhere close to sufficient. It will take us 20 years at a compounded annual GDP growth rate of 8% merely to equal China’s current per capita income level, and we have not touched that 8% rate even once under Modi’s government. On the other hand, if one focuses on course corrections and bold initiatives that set the foundations for long-term prosperity, two or three years with a parliamentary majority are sufficient to provide proofs of concept.

The much-derided United Progressive Alliance administration initiated in its first year a comprehensive work for pay scheme, the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act, and the Right to Information Act, a radical law that did more for government transparency than anything adopted since India became a republic. Modi’s biggest accomplishment thus far has been overseeing the passage of the One Hundred and First Amendment to India’s Constitution, which introduced a national Goods and Services Tax. He deserves credit for it, though it is a muddled law with too many tax brackets, was conceived by the United Progressive Alliance, and was held up by BJP opposition led by Modi in his former role as Gujarat’s chief minister. When we think of legislation conceived by Modi, we find nothing in the pipeline remotely as ground-breaking as the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act and the Right to Information Act.

 
I always remember reading about him how he came to power for 5 years lol.. shows how Mughals were very cunning like today’s global leaders and corporates.
 
I always remember reading about him how he came to power for 5 years lol.. shows how Mughals were very cunning like today’s global leaders and corporates.
Nice about SSS, but couldn't get the Mughal bit
 
I always remember reading about him how he came to power for 5 years lol.. shows how Mughals were very cunning like today’s global leaders and corporates.
I remember reading about him too in history classes in high school. We used to call him Sher Shasuri.
Shashuri in bengali means mother in law :misbah

It is so sad that our history books are full of these bigots but they hardly teach about Shivaji or Sambhaji who were real brave hearts. All thanks to Chacha Nehru and Khangress.
 
We need a thread on Tipu Sultan as well. :yk :inti
Tipu Sultan was not a foreign ruler. He was a local. Of course he claimed to be a Sayyid like many in subcontinent.👍
His dad usurped power from Mysore Wadayars. Their rule lasted for only 60 yrs. Not that important in the grand scheme of things. His kingdom was also not big.

Most of India’s history is Delhi centric. If the ruler does not rule Delhi, he gets ignored like a step child.
 
Present day Hindu pagans’ forefathers were much happier under Mughal rule than their descendants are today. They weren’t fighting each other trying to get to British Isles, it was actually the other way around.

Now they are western bootlickers who can barely speak their own language and can go maybe 3-4 words in their own language before inserting English words in to complete a sentence.

And we looked after them. Didn’t use them as fodder vs the Brits. Took them as our own, promoted them to high posts, defended their lives with our own. Yes their beliefs in paganism are wrong but we gave them more rights and were ahead of our time even before all these social justice movements.

They can talk ill about martyred legends of the Mughal empire as much as they’d like on their movies, tv shows and textbooks, but the fact that they are alive is something they should be grateful for because their bloodlines would’ve ended centuries ago otherwise.

Back then India was considered the trade center of the world. Richest region by GDP by far.

Mughal Empire despite the shortcomings of many of their emperors was the best thing to happen to India. It fully established Tawheed in India, that despite textbook edits and propaganda they will never erase. And despite their best attempts to silence Islam and Muslims, it still houses the 3rd biggest Muslim population, a sleeping giant, once awakened will take India and the rest of the Ummah to great heights again. In Sha Allah.
 
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He is most famous for building the legendary Grand Trunk road (GT Road). I think it was one of the longest roads in the world at the time it was built.

That being said, we feel very disconnected with any muslim ruler of the past (good or bad) mostly due to the reason that majority of the muslims in our country today set a very bad example for their community by being anti-national, anti-hindu, Islam expanionists etc. If they were model citizens, the country as a whole would have probably had a different perspective on these historical figures.
 
Have very little time for an animal in a long list of animals. Sorry, subhumans would be a better word. All of them can burn in the deepest pits of hell for eternity.​
 
By the way, what is this 'us' and 'we'? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Maybe I too can use 'us' and 'we' while talking about the British Empire as a Born Again Christian. 🤡
 
By the way, what is this 'us' and 'we'? :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Maybe I too can use 'us' and 'we' while talking about the British Empire as a Born Again Christian. 🤡
About how 'we' made the Mughals eat dust, and made Bahadur Shah Zafar our puppet. Not to mention, how 'we' put Tipu Sultan die a miserable death. 🤡

On another note, I know who I am and who my ancestors are, and that accepting Christianity does not chance my DNA and my ancestors.

Remember what Imran Khan said about a donkey having black and white stripes drawn on it's body does not make it a zebra?​
 
He is most famous for building the legendary Grand Trunk road (GT Road). I think it was one of the longest roads in the world at the time it was built.

That being said, we feel very disconnected with any muslim ruler of the past (good or bad) mostly due to the reason that majority of the muslims in our country today set a very bad example for their community by being anti-national, anti-hindu, Islam expanionists etc. If they were model citizens, the country as a whole would have probably had a different perspective on these historical figures.
It is a modern take cultivated by Hindu extremism.We must remember that during the revolts against the British that rebel Hindu sepoys rushed to take them down and restore the Mughal emperor ( who by that time was past it). The sentiments of the people at that time were so strong towards the mughals that they considered it anti imperialist to restore them to authority. Going back further, many of the major Mughal achievements militarily were as a result of the Hindu army men. Mostly it was a collaboration between Mughals and Hindus against other kingdoms headed by Muslims.

When you study the history of subcontinent you realize Muslim and Hindu very quickly goes out the window. Infact there is joint victories and joint treacheries. You can't go back and visit history because Modi wants your vote or because a Muslim guy beat you up and took your girlfriend.

While I respect my brother @Suleiman I respectfully disagree with his characterisation of us and them. We share all of that history whether we are Muslim or Hindu.
 
Lol a "learn" for Modi too as he failed by his
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Lessons in leadership: What Narendra Modi could learn from Sher Shah Suri​

The anniversaries of Modi’s 2014 victory and Sher Shah Suri’s defeat of Humayun hold an opportunity to compare the two rulers.

On May 16, 2014, Narendra Modi secured the prime ministership of India, having led his party, the Bharatiya Janata Party, and its allies to a comfortable majority in the Lok Sabha. On May 17, 1540, Sher Shah Suri won a decisive victory against the Mughal emperor Humayun in the battle of Kannauj. The parallels between the lives of the two leaders are striking. Like Modi, Sher Shah was brought up in a small Indian town and ran away from home in his teens following a family dispute. He found mentors who appreciated his talent and ambition, and furthered his career. He ruled a large province where he reorganised the administration. He outmanoeuvred better positioned peers to become leader of his clan. He was middle-aged by the time he faced his most important battle. His young adversary, born into one of Asia’s most renowned dynasties, was good-natured and well-meaning, but a little clueless and prone to indolence. He handed this opponent a comprehensive drubbing to ascend the throne of Delhi.

The similarities between the two leaders throw into sharp relief the divergences in their respective accomplishments. The Suri dynasty was the shortest-lived of the Delhi Sultanates, with Sher Shah himself dying a mere five years after his Kannauj triumph, killed by an accidental mine explosion during a siege. But he made those five years count the way few rulers anywhere in the world have done, instituting momentous reforms that for centuries changed the way India was governed.


In his first public comments after his 2014 win, Narendra Modi said he needed 10 years to transform India. His followers have been parroting that line ever since. The 10 year figure is a smoke screen. If one speaks of India’s journey to becoming a developed nation, a decade is nowhere close to sufficient. It will take us 20 years at a compounded annual GDP growth rate of 8% merely to equal China’s current per capita income level, and we have not touched that 8% rate even once under Modi’s government. On the other hand, if one focuses on course corrections and bold initiatives that set the foundations for long-term prosperity, two or three years with a parliamentary majority are sufficient to provide proofs of concept.

The much-derided United Progressive Alliance administration initiated in its first year a comprehensive work for pay scheme, the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act, and the Right to Information Act, a radical law that did more for government transparency than anything adopted since India became a republic. Modi’s biggest accomplishment thus far has been overseeing the passage of the One Hundred and First Amendment to India’s Constitution, which introduced a national Goods and Services Tax. He deserves credit for it, though it is a muddled law with too many tax brackets, was conceived by the United Progressive Alliance, and was held up by BJP opposition led by Modi in his former role as Gujarat’s chief minister. When we think of legislation conceived by Modi, we find nothing in the pipeline remotely as ground-breaking as the National Rural Employment Guarantee Act and the Right to Information Act.

Its lovely how democratic reforms in a land 1.4 Billion are being compared with an absolute monarch 500 years with less than 20 million. Time to Compare Saladin and Imran Khan :ROFLMAO:
 
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Since Hinduvita claim AKHAND BHARAT extends to Afghanistan, they can't claim sher shah as a foreigner, He was a local King, can't have it both ways.
 
It is a modern take cultivated by Hindu extremism.We must remember that during the revolts against the British that rebel Hindu sepoys rushed to take them down and restore the Mughal emperor ( who by that time was past it). The sentiments of the people at that time were so strong towards the mughals that they considered it anti imperialist to restore them to authority. Going back further, many of the major Mughal achievements militarily were as a result of the Hindu army men. Mostly it was a collaboration between Mughals and Hindus against other kingdoms headed by Muslims.

When you study the history of subcontinent you realize Muslim and Hindu very quickly goes out the window. Infact there is joint victories and joint treacheries. You can't go back and visit history because Modi wants your vote or because a Muslim guy beat you up and took your girlfriend.

While I respect my brother @Suleiman I respectfully disagree with his characterisation of us and them. We share all of that history whether we are Muslim or Hindu.

All of that is 100% true.
The point about Modi/Hindu politics is 20% true.

The main culprit and the villain in this story is the average Muslim resident of Bharat who like mentioned above remains openly Anti National, Anti Hindu, Islam Expansionists, Gazwaist, Pakistan/Bangladesh sympathiser and flag waver. Single largest minority which itself is so large if it were to be a country it would be Top 5. #1 in rioting, whining and generally the bottom of the list in education, corporate sector, healthcare, baking etc.

I firmly believe if it wasn’t for the situation of the current Muslims in Bharat, our country was going down Atheism path. Hindutva literally exists as a defensive mechanism to Gazwaist mentality in resident muslims.
 
About how 'we' made the Mughals eat dust, and made Bahadur Shah Zafar our puppet. Not to mention, how 'we' put Tipu Sultan die a miserable death. 🤡

On another note, I know who I am and who my ancestors are, and that accepting Christianity does not chance my DNA and my ancestors.

Remember what Imran Khan said about a donkey having black and white stripes drawn on it's body does not make it a zebra?​

Do you even know what context he said that in? You keep referring back to it but I doubt you have any idea what he was actually referring to.
 
It is a modern take cultivated by Hindu extremism.We must remember that during the revolts against the British that rebel Hindu sepoys rushed to take them down and restore the Mughal emperor ( who by that time was past it). The sentiments of the people at that time were so strong towards the mughals that they considered it anti imperialist to restore them to authority. Going back further, many of the major Mughal achievements militarily were as a result of the Hindu army men. Mostly it was a collaboration between Mughals and Hindus against other kingdoms headed by Muslims.

When you study the history of subcontinent you realize Muslim and Hindu very quickly goes out the window. Infact there is joint victories and joint treacheries. You can't go back and visit history because Modi wants your vote or because a Muslim guy beat you up and took your girlfriend.

While I respect my brother @Suleiman I respectfully disagree with his characterisation of us and them. We share all of that history whether we are Muslim or Hindu.

Agree mostly, although I think @Suleiman makes an important point that we should bear in mind that Mughal rule was regarded as successful by large swathes of the population, especially considering the miseries inflicted at the time by local rulers with some of the more cruel evolutions of Hindu culture such as caste based society and widow burning.
 
Since Hinduvita claim AKHAND BHARAT extends to Afghanistan, they can't claim sher shah as a foreigner, He was a local King, can't have it both ways.
I have never heard anyone calling Sher Shah Suri as a "foreigner" in India. He is highly respected and praised in any discussions I have seen or heard. Please dont make random strawman statements which just shows your ignorance.
 
It is a modern take cultivated by Hindu extremism.We must remember that during the revolts against the British that rebel Hindu sepoys rushed to take them down and restore the Mughal emperor ( who by that time was past it). The sentiments of the people at that time were so strong towards the mughals that they considered it anti imperialist to restore them to authority. Going back further, many of the major Mughal achievements militarily were as a result of the Hindu army men. Mostly it was a collaboration between Mughals and Hindus against other kingdoms headed by Muslims.

When you study the history of subcontinent you realize Muslim and Hindu very quickly goes out the window. Infact there is joint victories and joint treacheries. You can't go back and visit history because Modi wants your vote or because a Muslim guy beat you up and took your girlfriend.

While I respect my brother @Suleiman I respectfully disagree with his characterisation of us and them. We share all of that history whether we are Muslim or Hindu.
I have the utmost respect for you as well brother, but I don’t have a choice. I am all for peaceful dialogue but they want to paint Mughals as the root of all evil, the Hindu Christian hybrid above doesn’t even know what to call himself for Eg and was differentiating and hating on Bengalis in the language thread when he is a neighbor to them and hardly a century ago was from among them 🤡

But when it comes to Islam then us uniting under it regardless of race is an issue to them when Hindus in general call us “converts” and try and shame us for our forefathers converting. As if worshipping idols of various animals and other objects is empowering. We unite under Islam regardless of race because humanity as a whole was always created to be under it. It didn’t start 1400 years ago, it started since the beginning of time. I don’t have to tell you that ofc. But stating the obvious for those who don’t know.

You see this skewed hatred toward the Muslim rulers. When said rulers integrated into India to a far higher level than the Brits, far more open to the native non Muslims who held high posts as well, and contributed to the culture rather than leeching of resources and reducing the continent to poverty that it still is reeling from today.

And yet the senseless villanization of Mughals and Muslims as a whole continues. Mughals were far from role model Muslims at times, I can accept that. But the rewriting of history for one set of “foreigners” to the land and not the other is a bit rich imo.
 
About how 'we' made the Mughals eat dust, and made Bahadur Shah Zafar our puppet. Not to mention, how 'we' put Tipu Sultan die a miserable death. 🤡

On another note, I know who I am and who my ancestors are, and that accepting Christianity does not chance my DNA and my ancestors.

Remember what Imran Khan said about a donkey having black and white stripes drawn on it's body does not make it a zebra?​
You did not do anything, all you did was drop a comment on a forum, cling to the past like a trophy, and use it as an excuse to tear down your own fellow Indians. That’s not patriotism, that’s projection.
 
I thought you were better than getting fooled by AI generated trailers !!
and this is the poster who started thread on debunking myths and fake stuff 🤷‍♂️
Hahah...ok it was AI stuff and I missed it but still better to accept one's folly rather than keep believing the propaganda of your school textbook as truth...and some posters here are clearly reeling from it.
 
Hahah...ok it was AI stuff and I missed it but still better to accept one's folly rather than keep believing the propaganda of your school textbook as truth...and some posters here are clearly reeling from it.
I thought you knew it was AI and and posting it bro lol
 
It is so sad that our history books are full of these bigots but they hardly teach about Shivaji or Sambhaji who were real brave hearts. All thanks to Chacha Nehru and Khangress.
I had all of them from Ashoka to Shivaji to Cholas and Pandyas.
Mughals to Lodis..

What I didn’t have was Marx or Keynes, that would had made more of a difference.
The Kings and queens before were all bigots, Mahavir and Gautam Buddh the obvious exception.
 
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I have never heard anyone calling Sher Shah Suri as a "foreigner" in India. He is highly respected and praised in any discussions I have seen or heard. Please dont make random strawman statements which just shows your ignorance.
Indians consider all afghan kings as foreigners, Technically you should accept Ghaznavi as A local king since he was born In Ghazni even though he was Turk by blood.
 
Its lovely how democratic reforms in a land 1.4 Billion are being compared with an absolute monarch 500 years with less than 20 million. Time to Compare Saladin and Imran Khan :ROFLMAO:
A brief summary. Lol couldn't post early was busy in MT

Comparison Summary:

AspectSher Shah SuriNarendra Modi
Currency ReformIntroduced standardized silver rupiyaDemonetisation attempt, criticized
InfrastructureBuilt Grand Trunk Road, caravanserais, wellsInfrastructure projects like Bharatmala
AdministrationCentralized system, justice reforms, accountabilityGST implementation, financial inclusion schemes
Impact DurationLasting legacy despite short reignOngoing reforms, mixed reviews
Justice SystemStrict law enforcement, social justiceNo comparable systemic justice reform
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Indians consider all afghan kings as foreigners, Technically you should accept Ghaznavi as A local king since he was born In Ghazni even though he was Turk by blood.
Topic of the thread is "Sher Shah Suri" . Want to talk about Akhand Bharat create a new thread and @Bhaijaan will see to it that you get a speedy citizenship.
 
A brief summary. Lol couldn't post early was busy in MT

Comparison Summary:

AspectSher Shah SuriNarendra Modi
Currency ReformIntroduced standardized silver rupiyaDemonetisation attempt, criticized
InfrastructureBuilt Grand Trunk Road, caravanserais, wellsInfrastructure projects like Bharatmala
AdministrationCentralized system, justice reforms, accountabilityGST implementation, financial inclusion schemes
Impact DurationLasting legacy despite short reignOngoing reforms, mixed reviews
Justice SystemStrict law enforcement, social justiceNo comparable systemic justice reform
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Great Mughal emperors have done great things for Indian subcontinent. I think it is an insult to compare them to incompetent chaiwala Modi.
 
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Topic of the thread is "Sher Shah Suri" . Want to talk about Akhand Bharat create a new thread and @Bhaijaan will see to it that you get a speedy citizenship.
Mr. Sabuktagin aka Ghaznavi was an occupier of Afghanistan too.

A brief history of this Ghaznavi guy. He was the son a former slave of Abbasid caliphate. His father was part of Mamluks who were captured Turkic slaves from Central Asia. They formed the foot soldiers and some times rose to higher ranks under Abbasids.

Interestingly, being the descendant of a slave himself where his Nestor’s went through horrible living conditions, this man Ghaznavi has no sympathy to capture slaves from Indian subcontinent.

Basically the descendant of slaves became and emperor and continued the slavery system when he got the power. Very nice man he was.👍
 
Great Mughal emperors have done great things for Indian subcontinent. I think it is an insult to compare them to incompetent chaiwala Modi.
Again, the topic is "Sher Shah Suri" an ardent enemy of the Mughals. Son of Bihar and founder of Suri rule in Delhi. Stick to the topic! :inti
 
Do you even know what context he said that in? You keep referring back to it but I doubt you have any idea what he was actually referring to.
Yes, I do. He meant a Pakistani remains a Pakistani regardless of his passport.
 
You did not do anything, all you did was drop a comment on a forum, cling to the past like a trophy, and use it as an excuse to tear down your own fellow Indians. That’s not patriotism, that’s projection.
True! I did not do anything including slaughtering hundreds and thousands.
 
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